Democrats condemn veto of torture bill

Reed and Biden and friends side with people that cut off the heads of people that don't agree with them.

Water boarding is not torture - cutting off hands and limbs and pulling out fingernails and serving the children of local leaders up for lunch- that is torture.

That is what our enemy does - documented over and over again - and these democrats jump to be on their side every chance they get.

The whole gitmo - underwear on the head thing was so blown out of proportion by the liberals and main stream press-

I heard people say things like "how are we different than the enemy if we do this".. referring to the underwear on the head-

You would have to try hard to sound stupider than that.

The thing we need to save our country from is the liberals that are willing to force america to disgrace in order to gain political advantage.

Reed et al you make me sick.

Sen. Joseph Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the president had "squandered an opportunity to reaffirm our nation’s commitment to our international treaty obligations and to our fundamental values."

He is right on point. Our president would make a great ruler of a totalitarian state.

Venezuela are you listening??? Cuba???

That's it, fire back. Immediately, fast, hard, often & then do it again.

The Chickenhawk-in-Chief and Deferment Darth would have many a chump that they are tougher than those who have served in the military of other U.S. security agencies.

You say you're pro-U.S. military? Good. Now tell how our policies are doing our military personnel right?

The surge is working. Oh, really? So we're standing down as they stand up? Mission accomplished?

January 20, 2009 can't get here soon enough.

Torture has been used through out history all over the world. Are we to assume it doesn't work because some pompous senators say so?
There may be sadists who thrill watching pain and misinformation given but I trust those on the ground more than those in the ivory tower of the Senate or their toadies.
We shouldn't remove the threat of severe pain regardless.

Even though the dem controlled senate has a all time low 11% approval rating, the dems have a 100% approval rating with Al-Qaeda Terrorist Murderers ...Thanks to Harry Reid and Joe Biden.

Good job girly boys!

Paulo

The Rethuglicans are dumber than a bag of rocks.

If this passes, ANY country will be allowed to torture our soldiers without fear, we would hold no moral high ground.
Seems fairly UN-Christian like to me.

The US gave the death penalty to soldiers from WW2 (Japan) who were found guilty of waterboarding our troops.

...Which brings me to John McStraight-talk, you want to talk about a guy who has sold his soul to the devil (Bush/Cheney), then McCain is your guy.

John McCain/Bush has traditionally been against torture, citing his experience as a POW for his decision.
Now, McCain voted last month "against a bill that would require the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the restrictions on interrogating prisoners outlined in the Army Field Manual."

I guess that means it's OK for these terrorists to waterboard our guys, too.

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://RealConservativesSpeak.com

Good job girly boys!

Paulo

Posted by: Paulo | March 8, 2008 1:44 PM

Last time I checked tough guy you've never served in the military, or offered to sign up.

Which in and of itself doesn't mean anything.

But you put yourself out there as a "been there, done that" when in fact you never served and never will.

Just another chairborne chickenhawk.

The thing we need to save our country from is the liberals that are willing to force america to disgrace in order to gain political advantage.
Reed et al you make me sick.

Posted by: cj | March 8, 2008 1:00 PM

Circle Jerk,

You nutty Wingnuts just don't get it do you?

Are you guys dumb enough that you really believe that our country should go down to the same cesspool of slime level that Al-Qaeda is on?

Don't you get it? there are other countries out there who are watching us.

Al-Qaeda is NOT a country and in fact their numbers have been built up by our Republican Prez 19% and his Veep Darth Vader for political purposes...and those political purposes are meant to scare the crap out of little Wingnuts like you, cj....and it never fails to work.

Under W., the Rethuglicans have become the Party of big government, all Bush and Cheney have to do is start sceaming terror and the Wingnuts start raising their hands and volunteering to give up more of their Constitutional rights.

The Republic Party needs to butch up and stop being so afraid of everything, you're acting like a bunch of weenies.

KY jurisdoctor: If that's the U of Kentucky, it's time to check its law school. The terrorists don't waterboard "our guys." They cut off their heads, roast them over fires and drag them through streets. And you dopes are concerned about waterboarding which is non-fatal and leaves no enduring marks. But it does work. If this country is hit again, we'll know who to blame: Democrats and wimp left wing media.

Just two years ago, Hillary--the purported "expert" on international relations--said there should be "lawful authority" for torture in some cases.

(See, for example, www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0907/Hillary_and_torture_audio_version.html)

Her stand on this transcendent moral issue was opposite to that taken by every other major Democratic presidential candidate in 2007-2008, and the heat she took for it caused her to make one of her famous "flip flops."

KYJurisDoctor,

Do you honestly think terrorist organizations who wear no uniform and behead innocent people on camera CARE whether it's "okay" or not? Get a clue, lefty.

This bill has nothing to do with Geneva or actual POWs. It has to do with hamstringing the CIA.

'WATER-BOARDING'is a disgustingly method of obtaining information from captives. ALMOST AS GUT-WRENCHING, OMINOUS, AS THE EVERY-DAY TOTURE FROM THE 'LEFTIST' MEDIA IN THIS NATION - WHEN WILL THEY HAVE SOME CONSCIENCE AND STOP THE 'DAILY TORTURE/HARANGUE' ON EVERY STOOPID ISSUE??? Ha - DEMBHOLE DIMWITS engage IN AFFLICTING US ALL EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY/NIGHT!!!

We now have two articles on the President's veto: the original article, which balanced Bush's veto message with Democrat response; and another Democrat response, this with no Republican balance.

The Democrats at the Swamp believe the Democrat's side is so feeble, they have to give the Democrats double the space just to compensate.

Ha - DEMBHOLE DIMWITS engage IN AFFLICTING US ALL EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY/NIGHT!!!

Posted by: Zyskandar A Jaimot | March 8, 2008 2:53 PM

Dude, you really need to lay off the military video games.

This is great footage, it shows exactly what the average Rethuglican really thinks being "tough on terror" means (send someone else to do the job).

If you're a Dem, feel free to use this video everytime you hear one the chickenhawk Wingnuts doing their phony toughguy act:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFGit_tZDqs

The Democrats at the Swamp believe the Democrat's side is so feeble, they have to give the Democrats double the space just to compensate.

Posted by: Joe Welsh | March 8, 2008 3:12 PM

You and your Neonut friends can sign up to serve in the "war on terror" (whatever the H that is) anytime you want to. We're still waiting for you to back up your words.

Here's a great picture of what the current "toughuy" Republican Prez 19% was doing during Vietnam while his peers were dying on the battlefields:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushcheerleader.htm

I'm sorry, but for all of you tinkerbells out there, YOU ARE WRONG.

Waterboarding IS illegal and it is torture.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170_2.html

The US has prosecuted and convicted Japanese soldiers who waterboarded Americans, an American who waterboarded the Vietnamese and a sheriff and his deputies from Texas who waterboarded a suspect.

So unless you have a case where these decision have been reversed (and you won't), waterboarding is illegal and you can be prosecuted for it.

I Wonder what the 3000 people who died at the world trade center would think about waterboarding?

CJ and Paulo:

You guys are a bunch of snivelling, racist cowards, as are all the Republic trash. Waterboarding isn't torture? You sure about that? Let's do it to you then and you can see first hand and THEN decide. Your idiot prince Georgie is a disgrace to America as is his coward carbon-copy: McCain. And don't even start with all that "hero" BS. If this guy was even in a POW camp he wouldn't be backing Chief Criminal in Charge Bushie. He would be very vocal about his opposition, instead, he does exactly as the Republic machine tells him to do. Yeah, he's a real leader. When will you cowards stop hiding in the dark from the big bad terrorists and grow some back bone? The greatest threat to America is that fake hillbilly in the White House.

I wonder if those people stating that waterboarding is not torture would say the same thing if this was done to their children? Then I think the double standard would change. Politics set aside, lets not forget our humanity, and this is totally inhumane.

CJ and Paulo:

You guys are a bunch of snivelling, racist cowards, as are all the Republic trash. Waterboarding isn't torture? You sure about that? Let's do it to you then and you can see first hand and THEN decide. Your idiot prince Georgie is a disgrace to America as is his coward carbon-copy: McCain. And don't even start with all that "hero" BS. If this guy was even in a POW camp he wouldn't be backing Chief Criminal in Charge Bushie. He would be very vocal about his opposition, instead, he does exactly as the Republic machine tells him to do. Yeah, he's a real leader. When will you cowards stop hiding in the dark from the big bad terrorists and grow some back bone? The greatest threat to America is that fake hillbilly in the White House.

Posted by: Mrs. Jesus | March 8, 2008 5:14 PM

You GO mrs Jesus!!!

p.s. you left out that mudslinging piece of cr%p Hillary Clinton. What a prize she has turned out to be. She's an embarrassment to all women. What happened to her anyway. She seemed so together early in the campaign. Sure had me fooled. Better to figure her out now than later I guess. Anyway kudos to you Mrs Jesus for pointing out the obvious.

I guess that means it's OK for these terrorists to waterboard our guys, too.

http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://RealConservativesSpeak.com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | March 8, 2008 2:00 PM

No - juris dingbat- they would not waterboard. Instead they are known for cutting off genitals of their victims and suffocating them with their parts.

Is that is the side you are on, juris dingbat?

CJ and Paulo:

You guys are a bunch of snivelling, racist cowards, as are all the Republic trash. Waterboarding isn't torture? You sure about that? Let's do it to you then and you can see first hand and THEN decide. Your idiot prince Georgie is a disgrace to America as is his coward carbon-copy: McCain. And don't even start with all that "hero" BS. If this guy was even in a POW camp he wouldn't be backing Chief Criminal in Charge Bushie. He would be very vocal about his opposition, instead, he does exactly as the Republic machine tells him to do. Yeah, he's a real leader. When will you cowards stop hiding in the dark from the big bad terrorists and grow some back bone? The greatest threat to America is that fake hillbilly in the White House.

Posted by: Mrs. Jesus | March 8, 2008 5:14 PM

All hat and no cattle - a saying from Texas ... I won't explain it... I am sure a lot of you wacko lefties will get a headache over it...

Other than shril and name calling little miss jesus - what have you got.

You sound like a ten year old, do you hold your breath and turn blue too???

American's have become the biggest wussies or those leading us have. We are afraid of guys on camels with AK47's, sandals, no army, no planes, no weapons and we have surrendered our personal freedoms that real men died in real wars to give us.
We fought terrorism by foes who had armies, nukes, planes and we never surrendered our freedoms. We should take these whimps out of Congress with their precious spoiled rotten kids and send them to Iraq since their so interested in that country.
Oh yeah, by the by, were are all the POW's of this war, where are the mothers of the POW's, why are their none??? Conspiracy theorists have it that the war is a wag the dog to rip off the public of a trillion dollars to fund losers like Bush and Cheney's buddies companies, this is how they earn a living.

Mrs.Jesus and Doug kook....

We (the normal people) will protect our families and loved ones with the help from our President.

Have a great time in court, D.Kook and Ms.J defending terrorists while your families get slaughtered by them...the ACLU will be proud of you two!

The Liberal Lunacy will never end!

Oh, and anyone with the post name of Mrs. Jesus is a sicko!...try Hussein or Muhammed!

Paulo

Ahhhh,

Calling someone a racist is the end of the debate with a lib...

and you always fall for it, non-Logic Prisoner!

Good luck in life....need some food stamps or free gov. cheese?

Let us know!

Paulo

"dogjudge", your claim that a court prosecuted Japanese soldiers after WWII for "waterboarding" has already been discredited. The case didn't involve "waterboarding" so much as it did beating with a club, kicking, and burning with a cigarette. See http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm
for info on the actual case.

However, as we've seen elsewhere, the "snivelling, racist cowards" of the far Left believes that if they tell a lie a million times, many people will think it's the truth.

That's it, fire back. Immediately, fast, hard, often & then do it again.

The Chickenhawk-in-Chief and Deferment Darth would have many a chump that they are tougher than those who have served in the military of other U.S. security agencies.

Doug, The method of controlling any country is to demonize the pacifists. Torture and terrorism will only exist as long as world powers promote it.

A bommb is in New York. We "tortue" a prisoner to try to get information. To stop the torture, he says the bomb is in Chicago. So while we search Chicago, OOPS, the bomb goes off in New York.

That is how effective torture is. NOT AT ALL. They will just say what they "think" you want to hear.

As the saying goes, "You can catch more flies with honey, than vinegar".

So, will our Congressional leadership stand-up and do what is necessary? Sadly, no.

I Wonder what the 3000 people who died at the world trade center would think about waterboarding?

Posted by: Susan Heft | March 8, 2008 4:30 PM

Why don't you go ask them, Susan? You might be surprised if not many are in favor of torturing. Let us know when you get back, okay?

All it is, is frat hazing.
It's not like they're beheading someone.
"Everybody Let's Get Stoned" has an entirely different meaning over there!

Let's ask Dick Cheney if waterboarding is torture or not, AFTER we try it out on him !!
I do not want ANYBODY who is representing me or MY COUNTRY, to be using any method of torture -- the end does not justify the means.
It's about time Congress exercises its ability to represent its constituents by over-riding the President's veto!

The article is falsely labeled. The bill was not opposed or vetoed because it prohibited torture. It was opposed and vetoed because it prohibited measures that fell far below the definition of torture. Torture is already a crime, and both torture and inhumane treatment are already interrogation techniques prohibited by law. What the bill did was to prohibit some non-torturous, non-degrading techniques as well – and that’s why it was opposed and vetoed.

Lest there be any question, water-boarding is already considered torture about 99.9999 % of the time. Torture is defined under federal law as:

. . . an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control . . .

(See 18 U.S.C. § 2304(1).) Since the law focuses on the intent of the actor, and not on his or her success, conduct can amount to torture even if the actor did not entirely succeed in causing extreme mental or physical pain. Given water-boarding’s reputation as something that simulates drowning, it would be difficult, if not impossible, for one to say they used water-boarding without the intent to inflict severe mental pain. That’s because the definition of severe mental pain or suffering includes “the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from . . . the threat of imminent death . . .” (See Id., subd (2)(c).) So, the 0.0001 % of the time it wouldn’t be torture, it wouldn’t even be useful as an interrogation technique.

Thus, the law, as written, wouldn’t have significantly changed anything. The Democrats raise a big ballyhoo out of this for nothing.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

- Albert Einstein

To JOHN E. - quit 'mentally masturbatin' on your mommy's computer in the basement and take your DUMB-DUMB-PILLS sos youse can grow-up to be a 'BIG' DEMBHOLE CRETIN like all the rest of your 'A-HOLE KNOW-NOTHIN' BUDDIES!!! Ha!