by Mark Silva
So much controversy surrounds the church where Barack Obama has worshipped for two decades, the church whose retiring pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has stirred a storm with his words about power in America -- words which Obama himself decried today as "appalling.''
So much of the racial divide that remains in America is reopened with debates over these words, followed by renunciations and demands for even greater repudiation, that it's refreshing to hear some words of common sense rising through clouds of polarizing venom.
These words come from the congregation tonight. As the torch passes at Trinity United Church of Christ -- with the Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of the Rev. Otis Moss III, and with Obama repudiating the harshest words of the outgoing pastor while insisting that he and his family will remain as members -- another longtime member writes to the Swamp this evening to offer another perspective on the controversy that has enveloped the church.
"I am an African American who is very proud to say that I am a member of Trinity United Church of Christ,'' writes "BLH,'' in a posting on Obama and the retiring pastor below. "I have been a member for 30 years.
"I was in church that Sunday after 9/11. Our church seats about 8,000 people and we have 3 services; 7:30 a.m., 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. Non-blacks do attend our church. However, we are located in a predominantly African-American neighborhood.
"On that Sunday people were standing against the wall and in the halls. People were still scared and shocked by what happened. Rev Wright's words may seem rascist to people who look at this world through rose colored glasses. You are the same people who think that the USA is the superior country and for some of you that white America is the superior race. That is sad.
"The United States of America became a powerful nation on the backs of free labor; slavery. 400 years later the effects of that, Jim Crow laws and discrimination still exist. You can see it in the disparity between our public schools and the widening gap in this country between the haves and have nots.
"I am well educated. I have a BS in Accounting from the University of Illinois and I have an MBA from Northwestern University. However, in this country the fact that I am not white and male will limit my opportunities. This is not racist. This is the truth.
"Trinity United Church of Christ promotes the positiveness of being black in this country because everyday we see images that say otherwise. White churches don't have to do that because being white in this country is already seen as being a plus.
"You might not agree with what Rev. Wright said. I rarely agree with anyone 100 percent of the time. However, the USA has not been an innocent. It has not been "right" all of the time. The minute someone points that out they are seen as being un-American.''
Say Amen.





Comments
White people attend that church too?
Oh well...
I guess birds of the entitlement feather, flock together.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | March 14, 2008 10:46 PM
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refreshing to hear some words of common sense rising through clouds of polarizing venom.
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Do you actually consider these words "refreshing common sense", Mark?
Posted by: yarrr | March 14, 2008 11:03 PM
I have to admit I saw logic and heard words spoken before when Rev. Wright spoke of Americas arrogant attitude. As a Canadian, I heard those thoughts before, many times, from white Canadians...the US has had a very arrogant, heavy handed foreign policy, other Countries don't think of the US as the Boss, just the bully. His tone was somewhat unusual for me, but the words were familiar and not so shocking.
Posted by: Cathy | March 14, 2008 11:08 PM
More than I've heard all day around the subject. It's worth walking a mile in someone else's shoes sometimes.
Posted by: Mark Silva | March 14, 2008 11:09 PM
Not everyone can say they support any (political) thing their Pastor says so why would ANYONE hold Obama to a different standard WRIGHT or wrong?
http://OsiSpeaks.com
Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | March 14, 2008 11:21 PM
Talk about divisive, and racially biased- and this is a very close, life long Friend of Obama's. He is on his very best behavior during this campaign, but if this is the way it really is.. I don't know if I want my kids singing that in school. I don't want reverse discrimination- I want no discrimination based on things that we can't change about ourselves. This kind of talk is bad news, and this type of friendship reveals the true radical Muslim, black panther type philosophy I was sincerely hoping was gone forever- apparently it is alive and well at the Church of Hate & Obama, LLC
Posted by: David E. Connolly, Jr. | March 14, 2008 11:26 PM
Obama is Toast!
I think his toast is cinnamon and raisan. And it tastes good.
But that will come later.
First, reality.
My wife just returned from taking our daughter to Horton hears a Who. It had a very liberal message. At the end, when the message was everyone deserved to be heard, no matter how small, there was a standing ovation.
This was Augusta, Georgia.
So this massive attack against Obama is based on some really weak points. Since they can't attack him, it is obvious they are going against anyone he has touched.
Actually, when Neal Boortz listed all the people Obama has touched in his life, it actually strengthed my support for him, but that is besides the point. (Obama actually has dealings with solid leftists? OHMYGOD! I thought he was just another corporate lackey like all the other useless puppets thrown in front of us.)
But can anyone name a study of Bush's ministers sermons? McCains?
Nope. When Falwell said the US was to blame for for 9/11, did anyone in the Republican party have to answer for that?
This is one of those typical bullshit stories that people will sit with stern faces and say means something, but no one really cares.
A person is a person no matter how small. Whether they are a family farmer that has no hope against the corporate farmer, or the migrant worker that the US uses for cheap labor, or the US auto maker that no longer has health care, or any number of American that is being screwed by the current American system. We are all persons, no matter how small.
And the people of America, no matter how small, want our voice heard
Posted by: mickT | March 14, 2008 11:30 PM
ok i get it Obama is proud which he should be but if Hilary would go to a church that was all white and she said she was proud to be white im sorry you would be hearing it . i don't care what color you are you should be proud to be you
Posted by: Donna | March 14, 2008 11:31 PM
The United States of America became a powerful nation on the backs of free labor; slavery.
Hmmm...by 1860 the richest part of America - by far - was the slave-free North, which had almost five times the population of the South.
It is free labor that built America, not slavery.
Posted by: Chris | March 14, 2008 11:38 PM
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It's worth walking a mile in someone else's shoes sometimes.
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I could have written that apologetic and I have never been in his shoes. It's not exactly enlightening, though somewhat interesting. Most of it is bad cliches and straw man slaying.
Posted by: yarrr | March 14, 2008 11:39 PM
The black female with many college degrees might want to take a look at multi-millionaire Michele Obama. Could someone have a lack of get up and go or be quite lazy and just waiting for someone to hand life to them. I'll make a bet the 'many degree's' came at taxpayer expense, and amost every bit of food has been provided by the welfare system.
Posted by: Scrapiron | March 15, 2008 1:01 AM
Obama's buddies Louis Farrakhan and Reverend Wright make Hillary's very worst supporters look SAINTLY. Just words Barrack? it's not just words when they are Reverend King's words, but when it's just silly "old Uncle Rev Wright" now that's a different story right? those are just some words. I think this should put a pretty permanent dent in any credibility Obama had left. Between Rezko, Farrakhan, Rev Wright and that other hater of America Michelle Obama, I think it's becoming very clear Obama has made some very poor decisions in his life. So much for making the right choices on day one huh Obama?
Hillary is the One, always was and always will be, it's not too late America.
Posted by: Hillary All the Way!!! | March 15, 2008 1:14 AM
I agree with Donna. No matter the color of your skin, be proud of who you are. And remember to treat others with kindness and love.
Posted by: Cindy Ostrom | March 15, 2008 1:19 AM
Has anyone bothered to listen to the actual sermon that inspired Barack Obama? Apparently not, since it has so few hits on YouTube.
Listen for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFZROa0rlMU
Is it not possible that Wright, who preached for over 30 years, could be an inspirational and uplifting preacher, yet like all flawed human beings, prone to occasional outbursts of anger? Anger that has built up over years of seeing America promise fulfilled for some, but not all, of its citizens?
Much of what Wright says in the recently publicized sermons is indeed ugly, but so is much of our nation's past. Yet just as we do not judge all of our history on a handful of well-publicized ugly icidents, we should not be so quick to judge Pastor Wright on a handful of well-publicized inflammatory sermons.
What does the Bible say about those living in glass houses again?
Posted by: Rolf | March 15, 2008 1:24 AM
Twenty year close association with a venom spewing "pastor"? Seventeen-year close association with a sleezy political fundraiser, your former finance committee man from your Illinois Senate days? You have great friends, Sen. Obama. You're a real insider, the best we've ever seen, because you make it look like you're an outsider, a change agent. Nice work.
Posted by: Mandalay | March 15, 2008 1:26 AM
With all due respect, there is NO EXCUSE for any pastor speaking such things as "God Damn America" from the pulpit in front of children.
And there is NO EXCUSE for parents who don't immediately leave that service or express objections to the pastor for such language with children present.
That has nothing to do with race or slavery. It's about common decency and appropriate behavior with children present.
No more excuses for same, please.
Posted by: Mary | March 15, 2008 3:25 AM
This topic is a fascinating subplot of the election story. Here's why.
It's possible to tell what a person's beliefs are based on the actions they take. For example, we know Abraham Lincoln was against slavery because he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Lot's of people wanted to end slavery, but Abraham Lincoln held the office of the one person who could do it. And he did. That was an action and it proved a belief.
We know Obama's beliefs; they’re proven by his actions. Working to help folks in the community, helping unemployed steel workers, getting involved in government, voting appropriately for laws that help all communities, advocating for civility and better government. We know from Senator Obama's actions what his beliefs are. His beliefs are his own, chosen from among the beliefs of the many people who have been a part of his life, including the people who raised him, the people who taught to him in schools and universities, the people who have been his friends, colleagues, and fellow worshippers at church.
Many Democrats, independents, and some Republicans know of and approve the policies that Mr. Obama has furthered through enactment of law, and they approve of the policies that he has proposed. That's why people have been voting for him, and will continue to.
The only legitimate issue raised by this story is: does this affect his qualification to be president. It does not. Because the only way it could is if there is something we don't know about Sen. Obama. The public is familiar enough with Mr. Obama to know that he has no "hidden surprises". People know from his actions what Mr. Obama’s beliefs are. Senator Obama is a mainstream politician.
Mr. Obama has spent much time in the African American community, and no doubt he has associated with many interesting persons. We’re sure to hear more about them, but they, like Reverend Wright will be side stories. All of the candidates have these diversionary side stores. Most people will pay little attention to them when voting.
Posted by: JTS | March 15, 2008 3:27 AM
For months I dismissed all the rhetoric about Obama's preacher and mentor as political garbage, however now after seeing and hearing this hateful nut recently on MSM I've learned my lesson about so easily dismissing these investigative articles. Hearing Rev. Wright was very concerning. He makes Hitler sound like a choir boy.
If Obama really deplores this hate, why has he stayed with this nut for 20 years? Wright was much more than just his preacher. Obama describes him as his "mentor", advisor, uncle, friend…
Posted by: tony | March 15, 2008 7:08 AM
The word of God says In the last days ethnic group shall rise up against ethnic group. Wars and rumors of war, and perilous times. The bible is right as always. These things will continue to increase in intensity until Jesus comes. May God have mercy on us all.
Posted by: R Norton | March 15, 2008 8:01 AM
It only would take one wacky sermon of hate to get me to change churches. Shows bad judgement and agreement by assoication. Obama needs a few more years of real Senatorial work to mature.
Posted by: hhkeller | March 15, 2008 8:24 AM
Wow...you think this is bad, you should have heard what his butcher said. Is this for real? You blood hungry monkeys make me sick.
Posted by: bill "hussein" r. | March 15, 2008 8:41 AM
When will the slavery tag be dismissed to begin the process of healing? When will those that are labeled poor begin to take charge of their lifes and experience the American dream? Why is Rev Wright retiring now? Why is Obama's voting record so absent as to not create a history of his ideas? What is so wrong with this country that needs changing when the Obama's attendend prestigous learning institutions and experienced the American dream? Why is it that Obama cannot salute our flag when standing at attention? Where is Obama's mother? Folks, open your eyes.........
Posted by: ECB | March 15, 2008 9:02 AM
Why isn't Obama stepping down?
Does he really think that anyone could ignore all of the rheteric from his Pastor and the connection he admits to have with criminal Rezko.
The American people should ask him to stand aside and allow Hillary the nomination.
Posted by: America the Beautiful | March 15, 2008 9:08 AM
If I were Barack I would very quietly remove myself from the ballot.
Democrats will lose the nomination with this man on the ticket.
I really want a Democrat. I don't want anyone with radical ties to run our country.
Wake up America!
Support Hillary and drop the Obmama amamama.....talk.
Posted by: America the Beautiful | March 15, 2008 9:12 AM
The economy is in the tank, gas prices are levels I've never in my adult life had to deal with. Milk, eggs up 37 and 29% respectfully. But the only thing of any importance to anyone is a candidates affilation to a loud mouth preacher or wearing Kenyan garb. Some people are just looking for excuses not to vote for this person not because of his policies but because of other people in his life ie the loud mouth preacher and Tony Rezko. Please don't hold me accountable for someone elses actions. But lets not mention, McCain has shared many stages with Pastor Hagee and all those other loud mouth shooting form the hip pastors and all the get is a written footnote as oppose to article after article on this issue.
Posted by: I don't get it | March 15, 2008 9:21 AM
I guess birds of the entitlement feather, flock together.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | March 14, 2008 10:46 PM
Paulo.....you really need to move to the south. You can hear the same kinda talk down here, just in reverse. You are all shocked are you? Well come on down and you can talk the talk not in church, but out on the streets, in your car. You'll hear that speech by Wright in reverse every day. I don't agree with Wrights decission to do this......but I can't believe, or your very disingenous when you fain shock at the race issue, or that a race issue wouldn't come up when a black man would run for president. Get real!
ps...Paulo ...put a little lotion on son, your neck is turning red.
Posted by: bill "hussein" r. | March 15, 2008 9:52 AM
The Reverend offered some valid points. However, his diatribe included the word DAMN more than twice. Is such language appropriate for a person who wants to walk in Jesus' footsteps?
You make the call .....
Posted by: Evi Pickavance | March 15, 2008 10:11 AM
You don't have to go to the Synod with Barak to see hear the nauseating political tripe from the National UCC
You can go to any number of their churches any given Sunday and hear about, Global Wwarming, the hatred of President Bush, or a myriad of other liberal causes.
Its high time someone investigated this Political Action Committee masquerading as a denomination
"Former member of Topsfield MA UCC, until I was excoriated for being a conservative"
and all I did was ask the Pastor to stop talking politics from the pulpit.
Posted by: Paul Jamieson | March 15, 2008 10:14 AM
Obama gave Jeremiah Wrights' church $17,000 last year and he was married by Wright, his children were baptized by Rev. Wright who gave a Lifetime Achievement Award to Louis Farrakan.
Now, Obama said he never heard any of this anti-American rhetoric at the church if he had he would have quit the church.
Yea right and you and Tony Rezko barely knew each other after a 17 year friendship and legal advice and deals etc.
This Cook County Machine candidate is just that a Cook County machine candidate invented by Dickie Durbin.
Obama get real. Jerry White, Springfield, IL
Posted by: Jerry White | March 15, 2008 10:56 AM
Not long ago, blacks were turned away from all white churches, which still exist in 2008. It's not unusual for black ministers to constantly remind us that racism still exist in this country. Until you walk in a black man's shoes, you can't possibly know what he goes through each and everyday of his life! It's not easy being called a nigger, a boy, colored, Negro (nigra as some would say), lynched or put in prison for 28 years or more, just to have DNA prove 28 years later, that you didn't commit the or that crime. White people in denial about racism in this country. Black people are living it!
Posted by: Debmood | March 15, 2008 11:15 AM
Wow, white americans really are afraid, aren't they?
Posted by: Gob Bluth | March 15, 2008 11:17 AM
It is interesting to Wright talk about the US like he isn't a citizen, he is ashamed to be here. Preaching black separation is not the way to go. There was another group who also hated the Union and preached separation, and that was THE SOUTH.
Obama preaches unity, it is strange that all the sudden his mentor and spiritual advisor went nuts. I wonder if Wright's message has really changed over 20 years or if Obama condeming him now has more to do with his campaign. BTW, I have never heard more ignorant words about WWII than what spilled out of Wright's mouth.
Posted by: eric langford | March 15, 2008 11:44 AM
FYI: The U.C.C. is a union of 3
seperate churchs, one of which
was the Congregational Church in America, which were the original pilgrims. The U.C.C. was the first church to ordain a
black minister, the first to ordain
a female minister and the first
to ordain an openly gay minister.
Posted by: Jerry Chandler | March 15, 2008 12:11 PM
The reality in all of this is we as a country are not the smartest, education is based on the property tax of the area you live and that is why the schools differ so much. our country does have those who by the governments help never get a off welfare-there are those states work or be in school or no welfare and it is for 2 years only. Slavery is not an issue for Anyone living today, Get off that Subject! I come from a single Mom who worked 3 jobs and never was able to get welfare in Tennessee or Ohio or Texas and when Her plant closed after 15 years we did not qualify for welfare, they told me the high school student if I were pregnant they would help! STUPID bit of advice, she has paid her taxes and worked since she was 14 being the 2nd oldest of 6 who’s father passed away and left a single mom who also never got welfare and yet when we were about to loose it all we were turned away, by the way I am Irish. Our Kind Knows all about that! If you read your history books Save the pity party for others who have not gone hungry, been homeless and worked their way back to a life! What America needs to do is tell All the folks on the hill, Your new salary is the same amount as the lowest paid Teacher in your district that you represent! Take all that money and focus on education, make a National sales tax and get all the "free money" we miss out on when folks do not pay their income tax, and make America Strong like it was Before. Right or wrong this is Home, and if we really hate it here pack up and go home to the country where your blood line leads, but I am guessing there is few of us who Really want to live there! We are all Americans if you were born here! There is that one fact that should makes us unite to make America a better place, it is up to "we the people" not the person that sits on the Hill! "we have a dream" Make America Smarter, Debt free, and a place to be proud to call our birth place! I am an American!
Posted by: Chris | March 15, 2008 12:53 PM
Correction and Add On:
Not long ago, blacks were turned away from all white churches, which still exist in 2008. It's not unusual for black ministers to constantly remind us that racism still exist in this country. Until you walk in a black man shoes, you can't possibly know what he goes through each and everyday of his life! It's not easy being called a nigger, a boy, colored, Negro (nigra as some would say), lynched or put in prison for 28 years or more, just to have DNA prove 28 years later, that you didn't commit this or that crime. White people are in denial about racism in this country. Black people are living it! No, we cannot forget our past, nor do we wish to re-live it. Senator Obama is trying to bring people together rather than put anymore divisions between the races. Some whites seem to fear this so they are now trampling on our right to freedom of religion?
I have but one request from whites in this country who are in denial when it comes to racism in America. Take a look at the make up of Congress and tell me how many black Senators or House of Representatives members are seated there. Are these not our lawmakers? Look at your own state legislative body. How many blacks, if any? Now, take a look at the prison system and see how many whites are there? hmmmmm interesting.
To note, Bill Clinton poured more money into the prison system than any other President. Then he gave us, so graciously, the three strikes you're out law. Don't get me wrong, I don't condone criminal behavior. I just know that the Justice System in this country is not fair to minorities. If it was fair, Bill Clinton's pardon lists would not be that long and Bush and Cheney would be cell mates.
Posted by: Debmood | March 15, 2008 1:08 PM
I heard "Reverend" Wright on Larry King last night. He is a hate-filled man, not a man of God. The Bible says you can heal people, work miracles, but if you aren't filled with the LOVE of God, you are not a Christian. As far as I can see, this man is full of hate, especially for white people and America. Let Obama suffer the consequences of this relationship.
Posted by: Linda Cauler | March 15, 2008 1:08 PM
This is so funny. All the self righteous so apalled. Every hypocrite in the world is showing indignation. When you pull apart the little pieces of a sermon, add fuel from Fox news and Hannity(the world's biggest hypocrite) you get the unecessary furor that now exists. What about the real issues that are affecting the American people...poverty, home foreclosures, economy, and so much more. This is how people with an agenda deflect from the real issues of the day. So Sad that so many people can be easily persuaded and forget to think for themselves.
Posted by: pat | March 15, 2008 1:16 PM
eric langford just so you know.. the south seperated from the union because the union had became corrupt like under british rule the south seperated than the union declared war and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the south and lincoln is now called the greatest president yea right.. hes no better than charles taylor(african war criminal)
Posted by: jurgen blandet | March 15, 2008 1:18 PM
Please go to Trinity's web site and look at their official message. If it were posted on the web site of a non-black church everyone would agree it was racists. The official mission of the church embraces the "Black Value System." Read about it on the church's web site. Someone needs to ask Mr. Obama if he agrees that all blacks should agree to "Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness" (principal #8). For 20 years he has belonged to a church that embraces that mission. As a middle class American, I am proud to be part of the middle class. How does Mr. Obama, in light of his church's mission, feel about the middle class?
Posted by: william | March 15, 2008 1:30 PM
I heard "Reverend" Wright on Larry King last night. He is a hate-filled man, not a man of God. The Bible says you can heal people, work miracles, but if you aren't filled with the LOVE of God, you are not a Christian.
Posted by: Linda Cauler | March 15, 2008 1:08 PM
Have you ever heard the oh so loving talk of the gay in your church? But that's different isn't it? Your church says that's OK. Of "course" not in your church I'm sure wink wink nudge nudge....but in reality it happens in more places than you would admit.
Posted by: bill r. | March 15, 2008 1:36 PM
Not one Jewish congregation authorized hate for all Muslims after 9/11. Did they blame the Muslims involved, they sure did. Did they blame the Muslims who danced in the street for America's pain, yes. Did they cry for all, blacks, whites and Christians, immigrants and Jews. . During earlier days Jewish congregations screamed (not all, but many) and wrote letters to leader who supported the leaders who supported the groups that did not support peace in Israel and the crack pots that wanted to kill the Israeli leader that were bent on terrorism...the JDL not the IDL. Most congregations would not allow support or collection for terrorists groups...they didn't need the US government to intervene. Jewish congregations in America do not support terrorism of any kind. They support Israel.
Posted by: reza santorini | March 15, 2008 2:05 PM
I don't know about "refreshing", but the message from BLH is certainly common-sense. And I'm a white guy.
It bears no benefit for America to forget our past. In no manner does it slow our progress or restrict positive change for us to learn, remember, and teach our children that America has not always followed a "blessed" path. In fact it allows us to confront our deep-seeded issues more honestly and efficiently.
Regardless of the economies of the north and south in 1865, there is no argument that America grew rich for 400+ years in part because of brutal, forced enslavement. And no one should feel guilty for it now, but no one should ever forget it.
I have no problem at all with TUCC's mission, message, and attitude. I wouldn't go there, mind you, and they are still just Krazy Kristians© like the rest of 'em, but I still believe they are doing positive things.
Now if we could only get a nice humanist agnostic Dem candidate...
Posted by: Jeff | March 15, 2008 2:25 PM
love this first amendment issue. love the attack on the worldwide united church of chirst and its supporters. simply truth is the attack on the constitution and international law will not stand. i have the right to worship God in the way i choose for cultural or other reasons. the attack on the church will fall in the absence of bibical support. based your attacks on scripture or hold your peace, when you attack the church in the name of an american election-check history and see the end.
Posted by: nathani-el | March 15, 2008 2:48 PM
The pink elephant that wanders the room, however, is that because the Obama campaign, rightfully, will not lower itself to the garbage flinging attacks by both the Clinton campaign and the conservative Republicans some Obama supporters may feel they need to fill in the gap with attacks of their own where the official campaign does not choose to do so. It is a temptation many of us have had and we applaud Senator Obama for raising us all out of that mire.
Posted by: Robert Campbell | March 15, 2008 3:15 PM
All i can say is, Thank God Hillary has enough sense to start working the super delegates. The Obama ride is soon to be over and Hillary WILL prevail. She doesn't need to chase Pennsylvania in a few weeks Obama's delegates there will move to her anyway.
Posted by: Kathy | March 15, 2008 8:23 PM
It is extremely difficult to believe that person like Sen. Obama who is very intelligent, highly educated and running for the highest office in the world - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn't judge his pastor for 20 (twenty) years, considered him has his mentor, someone who married him and his wife and baptized his daughters, privately prayed before announcing candidacy, was almost like a father. My wife and I supported Sen. Obama and now we're really really really disappointed by his judgment, we've lost our faith in any candidate.
Posted by: toyota camry | March 15, 2008 9:15 PM
Jesus Christ is the king of kings and the lord of lords! Mary the mother of Jesus was a Jew. The Jews are God's chosen people. God knew his chosen people would reject him. Everyone regardless of their skin color, or nationality can except Jesus as their Lord and personal savior! I will vote for the person who shows the most Christlike characteristic's. Right now that looks like John McCain. Who ever wins God will still be in control. And Jesus is coming back for those who are washed in his blood! Amen!
Posted by: Barry Braddy | March 15, 2008 10:49 PM
Reverend Write, The Shepard, defended one of his flock (Barack Obama) from the attack of a wolf (the Clintons). The Media then took 30-60 seconds of sound bite from 20+years of Ministry serving Jesus and play it repeatedly in the hopes the Lamb will be slathered.
I am a WHITE MAN that lived through the Social Revolution of Martin Luther King Jr. and I believe Reverend Write spoke from is life experience and hit the nail on the head.
I am certain Most have never walked through the south and seen the signs whites only blacks in back or heard lets go coon hunting from a KKK member. I find the statements expressed on FOX, CNN & MSNBC more revolting than anything I ever heard from Reverend Write
Thank you to the CANADIAN we are the bullies
Posted by: Roaring Moose | March 15, 2008 11:48 PM
I just wanted to say I was raised in the south & was raised to believe that we are all the same inside & thats all that mattered. However I find the older I get the more people make out of slavery & racism. I completely understand that there were slaves & were treated very badly & I think if most people could go back & change this today they would. I am only 32yrs old so I cannot say that I remember any of these things but I have read the history & seen the things that are shown on t.v. & I am appalled by what happened. I do see however that a lot of black people seem to have this attitude that there is always someone holding them down. But I don't see that. I went to a mostly black school & when I say that I mean that I was 1 of only 5 white girls in the school. To be honest most of them lived in a better place then I did. But some of the same kids that I went to school with have become doctors, lawyers & business owners & I am proud of them for it. I was taught never to look down on someone because of how they looked regardless of their color. But as I grow older I have found that there seems to be much more racism against white people from black people that never were slaves, I have been called cracker, White Bi*** & a slew of other things & I think to myself I wish I could go back in time to elementary school when we really didn't care what color our friends were we just wanted to be friends forever & not be as poor as our parents one day. As for the message that Obama's preacher gave I think that is horrible. There is no white america or black america and that is one of the reasons I call people black vs African American because I believe if you were born here then you are american. And I also believe if you are not proud of what America was based from which is freedom & god then I think you should find another country to live in. I support the rights we have here in America whether I support some of our govenments decisions or not & regardless of who the next president is I don't think that my life is going to get much better except for the choices that I make to make it so. So I will continue to try to live a good life, obey the laws, pray to god & teach my children to be tolerant of such ingnorance as racism regardless of what color person is showing it & maybe one day we will actually all be united & friends just as most of my elementary friends & I still are today.
Posted by: Christine | March 16, 2008 1:02 AM
Racism is racism. Jeremiah Wright is a racist.
Anyone who blames a full swath of human beings for their troubles is an "-ist."
Watch: Jeremiah Wright lumps Hillary Clinton in with the "rich white people" who oppressed blacks. Yet the Jeremiah Wrights of America got the right to vote in America about a half a century before the Hillary Clintons of America did!
What an ill-informed pompous ass.
Obama's claim to the Presidency is that he can bring an end to divisive politics, yet his spiritual leader and his congregation have been exposed on tape as having and supporting the most divisive of American political messages!
L.M.F.A.O.
Posted by: Jan | March 16, 2008 7:40 AM
I always knew white people invented AIDS to kill Black people. Thanks for affirming it, Rev. Wright!
Posted by: bob alu | March 16, 2008 9:29 AM
The church in question is not an all black church. It has many white attendees and at least one of their ministers is white as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw
somehow this lady makes me think the congregation is more than what is on those clips and there is more to the story.
There are many people commenting on all his around the net and it is very hard to read their motivations. Some are ordinary folk offended by what they see but it should be pointed out that some are politically motivated to be so angry and indignant and then there is also the third group that a simple trip to youtube reminds you of. There are a lot of white identity groups waiting to draw blood on Mr. Obama. They are alive and well and slipping in to the conversation.
Race is complicated in this nation. It is even more complicated when you don't know who you are talking to or where they truly are coming from.
Posted by: Livvy | March 16, 2008 9:41 AM
Please, what that paster said was it not true? Maybe we don't like the delivery of the message, however the message was factual. It is sad that white america can't understand the struggles of people of all colors. If you go against what is pushed down the throats of all...then you are unamerican. That is not true. That church and the former pastor has done a a fantastic job in getting the message across as well as giving people the christian foundation and food that is need to nourish ones soul.
Posted by: lisa | March 16, 2008 10:11 AM
Perhaps Obama still manages to become the Democratic Nominee. However, he will NEVER win the election in November. On one hand you will have a genuine American Hero, a POW who was always proud to be an American. On the other hand you have a relative inexperienced man who has been exposed for 20 years to the teaching of a racist pastor and whose wife for the first time in her adult life is proud to be an American. Say hello to President McCain!
Posted by: Yolanda | March 16, 2008 1:02 PM
Right she is the Congregation minister for the area. As I recall for a according to Snopes trinity is also the largest congregation in trinity. This is a PR, nothing.
As far as the struggles of people of all colors, "all" is a small word but its meaning is pretty clear. Remember "is"
Posted by: win | March 16, 2008 3:23 PM
I’ve never seen anything as disgusting as the racial hatred J Wright (I refuse to call him Reverend; there’s nothing reverential about him!) has been spewing. Like the old newsreels of Hitler, the only thing missing is him foaming at the mouth. Christian? Hardly. Jesus and his followers would be deeply saddened to see Wright’s sorry interpretation these many years later. And, he’s been doing this for 36 years??
No wonder the divide between blacks and whites is ever widening – now I get it. After all the nica-nica to your face, blacks truly hate whites, thanks to bully pulpit racial hatred and ranting espoused by the likes of Jeremiah White through the years and behind the lines. Now, he has successfully indoctrinated even the youngest among us. With people like J. White, this divide cannot be mended.
Posted by: Mary Caldwell | March 16, 2008 6:34 PM
WAKE UP AMERICA _ _ _ IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING! OBAMA MAMMA WHITE DADDY BLACK LIVED AMOUNG MANY CULTURES FAMILY REUNION NOTHING LIKE MINE HAVE YOU HEARD HIS OLD FRIENDS CALLING HIM HIM A RACIST?... I'M SURE HE HAS MANY FRIENDS NEW AND OLD AND BELIEVE ME CNN OR FOX NEWS AND ESPICALLY HANNITY WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM BY NOW DONT LET THE MEDIA PLAY HEAD GAMES WITH YOUR COMMON SENSE AGAIN!! THE MEDIA HAS A WAY OF CREATING THEIR OWN TRUTH OR LACK THERE OF THE TRUTH
IS ARE WE ADULTS HERE?
WHO OWNS CNN OR FOX NEWS MUST BE THE PEOPLE MAKING MY MONTHLY SALERY IN 5 MINUTES.
Posted by: REGINA | March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Oprah Winfrey is also a member of that church and has some explaining to do. I would like to know how much money she has contributed to that church. Why have you only involved yourself with African schools and not the poor children of Afghanistan or India. Is it because you share Trinity Church of Christ black racist views?
Posted by: Joe Taro | March 17, 2008 1:59 AM
My grandparents immigrated from Italy. My father was born in Harlem (which was not originally all-black in the early 1900's). He dealt with much name calling and prejudice when he was young because of his immigrant parents (and his own dark olive skin color). He survived, went to college (with my grandparents scraping up all of their hard earned money...not through welfare) and became a successful adult. You never hear him bringing up his background as an excuse for anything.
Yes, there was slavery in this country many years ago, but the rest of this country is tired of hearing about it. My family wasn't a part of it and neither were most of the citizens of this country.
Wake up America! We have a black candidate for President. He didn't get this far without the support of many different races and religions. Perhaps the time for segregated black churches that perpetuate feelings of self-pity and teach hatred (the stereotype of the angry black man that Obama has referred to?) has come and gone.
When you work hard, learn from the past and focus on the future anything is possible, whether you are white, black, purple or green.
Posted by: Mary from NJ | March 17, 2008 9:57 AM
No 1 this man is not a minister of God, or he would not be preaching politics and hate from the pulpit. This is where you find salvation love and forgiveness. This man has just set the civil rights movement back 10 years. To stand and preach hatred it must truly be achurch of Satan
Posted by: Richard Busch | March 17, 2008 2:50 PM
"Hmmm...by 1860 the richest part of America - by far - was the slave-free North, which had almost five times the population of the South."
As a northern white woman, I have to respond to the above comment from the 14th since I can't see that anyone else did.
First, the north was not at all "slave-free". Here in CT, there were slaves in every community and many of our institutions were literally built with slave labor.
Secondly, the north was built in significant measure on the slave trade through shipping, plantation, insurance, and myriad other industries.
Yes, many of our forebears also stood against slavery. I cite the Congregationalists (now the United Church of Christ) who stepped forward to attain the release of the prisoners from the Amistad. But that doesn't obviate the legacy of slavery on which our current society continues to rest.
Posted by: Dee | March 17, 2008 10:54 PM
Obama Church Published Hamas Terror Manifesto
It gets worse from there:
The Hamas piece was published on the “Pastor’s Page” of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week.
Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.
Here’s more of the details of what got printed in Pastor J-Wright’s page:
In his July 22, 2007, church bulletin, Wright reprinted an article by Mousa Abu
Marzook, identified in the newsletter as a “deputy of the political bureau of Hamas.”
Posted by: Swannie | March 22, 2008 10:17 PM
Think about this.
We know more about people from what they hide from us than what they show us.
A thief will not let you know he is a thief.
A child molester does not tell you he is a molester.
A member of the KKK wears a hood.
A terrorist pretends to be a regular citizen until he strikes.
But if you look at the people they associate with, the places they go and the information they enjoy obtaining, or the info on their computers, or the stolen goods in the thieves home, you learn the truth.
Of course Barack Obama does not tell anyone he is a racist and that his views are aligned with Reverend Wright. But this is one of those things he keeps hidden that tells me much more about him than the public image he has created in order to climb the political ladder.
People think about it. Do you order food in a Restaurant because it is food you hate. Do you listen to music because it is music you hate. No...
We gravitate to that which we ourselves relate to.
If someone was found to have attended KKK meetings for 20 years, could we honestly try to say they were not a racist.
Posted by: Cheryl | March 27, 2008 10:31 AM