Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama backers carried away

If Carville thinks Richardson's endorsement was a betrayal just wait until all the rest of the Hillary/Bill supporters get the message and start abandoning ship.

Happy Easter Swampsters.

Enjoy your friends, your family, and your faith.

Out of respect, no politics for me today.

If Carville thinks Richardson's endorsement was a betrayal just wait until all the rest of the Hillary/Bill supporters get the message and start abandoning ship.

Posted by: GW | March 23, 2008 9:03 AM

It's already happening.

What I find amusing are the people who are showing just how polarized they are. I mean the Hillary people and republicans in disguise are grasping at anything they can, including calling Obama a racist. He obviously isn't but it shows the level of desperation these people are feeling. Obama is going to the whitehouse and no amount of slander is going to stop that.

Undoubtedly, Richardson's political stature was elevated when Bill Clinton, during his presidency, named him to serve as ambassador to the U.N. and later appointed him secretary of Energy.
He did a good job in those jobs--which should be sufficient payback. The endless goings-on from Clinton supporters about loyaly sound like nothing so much as fading mafia dons--in politics, we are allowed to vote for someone newer if we think they'd do a better job. It's not actually a patronage system.

But the Clinton camp moved quickly to insist that the ex-president meant no offense. True, Bill Clinton's track record in this campaign leaves that open to interpretation.
Understatement of the column. It's very odd to me--and I say this as someone who likes McCain--the degree of praise Bill and Hillary have for him, and the wondrous and honored chance to run against someone who truly respects and admires Hillary. It's as though they know John would gracefully step aside for Hillary, just like her D primary opponents in her Senate race. Meanwhile, actual quotes from McCain about how highly qualified Hillary is, how elevated he knows a campaign against her would be, are curiously absent.

Richardson doesn't owe the Clintons anything.

The 'Judas' remark just fits into the Clinton mentality: everyone must be completely loyal.

It's the same mentality Hillary has used in her campaign, I mean it's why she used a trusted old timer like Patti Solis Doyle.

The Wisdom of such a method is questionable, especially considering that Doyle has now been ousted,but it really isn't anything exceptional.

This is the Clinton style and mentality, loyalty is everything...EVERYTHING.

That doesn't mean Richardson owes them anything though! After all the Clinton campaign has been saying for a long time that superdelegates should endorse how they see fit.

Richardson may be 'Judas' the betrayer to the Clintons but perhaps 'Brutus' is a better analogy in the eyes of the rest of the Democratic Party.

first, bills endorsement did'nt mean jack.now he's judas???the clintons campaign is like the titanic.the band is still playing ,while the ship goes down.

Richardson worked for BILL, not Hillary. This only will reinforce the image that this will be a "Billary" presidency.

End the Presidential Dynasty Era NOW.

carvelle is an idiothillbillary can whine all she want s she s a losr

We've been hoodwinked and bamboozled- Obama's "authenticity" has been formed by DAvid Axelrod- He did in MA with Deval Patrick and we are suffering -http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com/deval_patrick_a_cautionary_tale.htm
A campaign based on words and aspirations-hope,change, "just words" does not endure unless backed up with substance. Obama has not done the hard work to deserve this job- Take away Axelrod, his teleprompter, and yes, his race and you will have just a politician-A politician that is now fatally flawed- He lied about Wright-first he didn't hear any controversial sermons-then in his speech he says, "yes, of course I did" He lied about the Nafta/Canadian rhetoric distancing-no one cared. He lied about passing a bill stopping nuclear power companies from not disclosing any leakage (Excelon -it was even front page NY TImes) no one cared. He lied about geting our soldiers out in 16 months (Samantha Powers tells Brits -"it's only campaign rhetoric" and he lied about Rzeko- he went from only $22k donations all the way up to $250k
And no doubt there is more to come- The media, in an effort to increase their youth demographic has pandered to Obama-"Can I get you a pillow" He cannot win- We need a leader with gravitas and the experience to back up the words- Okay dokie?

"We need a leader with gravitas..."

Here you go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOsGo_HWP-c

Perfect scenario:

The sniping continues, it goes to the convention, the delegates fight it out and are so PO'ed at each other they vote Repulbican.

Love it!

McCain 08

Well MSNBC doing it again,,,I see Bill Oreilly,, “Oh I mean Keith Oberman who acting like Bill Oreilly”
OutRage, just out rage,,, about OBama Passport,,, He more up set about it than Michelle Obama..
Get a grip,, Everyone know you have this love feast with Obama,, but know as Always Billo ops I meant Keith.
Speaking out of term again,, It no just Obama Passport,, it Hilary McCain. Barack .
But Of course in your eyes , it only going to be about Obama try to make the public,,, give only him
Sympathy ,,, You’ve always wrong lately,, Your not wrong about bill OReilly maybe you should just stick with him..

LOOK at the blunder you did with your special comments on Hilary and Ferarro… how she was out of line for her comments
But when Obama Racist pastor does something or its a different story,,a man he knew for 20 year,, not only did he lie on your
Station,,, saying he never Heard those remarks or ever hearing him saying those remarks,,, then he came out a week later say yes he was in church when he said some remarks,,,and then he will not denounce Jeremiah Wright ,,, Yet he He did say last year, Imus should get fired for those remark against the woman basket ball team,,, but Jeremiah Wrights comment are alot worst,,, And still yet Billo Oberman, Now he is saying,,, talking about his grand mother, she a Typical white woman,,,, all the racism coming from Obama camp.
Obama want to unite everyone ,,, it will happen but not by Obama,,, the Obama camp been on CNN and Msnbc & Fox saying if the Super Delegate give Hilary the delegates, The obama Voters are going to vote for McCain,, Well that a big to blog out there,,, Most of us are learning from the Obama camp,,, If Obama wins the Primary,,, Hilary voter will vote for McCain, ,,,What goes around comes around,,, there many blogs on this,,,Why don’t MSNBC Just call them selfs MSNBC Barack Obama head Quarters.who who will be the main Anchor,, Billo Oberman. The Worst Person in The World,

I found Pastor Wright's comment's distasteful and his embrace of Louis Farrakhan abhorent. That being said, trying to belittle the anger of Black Americans is not only misguided, it is wrong. The worst evil the world faced was the Nazi's in World War II. Black soldiers fought and gave their lives but were not allowed to stay in the same barracks with White soldiers and were treated like third class citizens at best. Yet, when they died, their blood was no different than their White counterparts. They returned home to water fountains they were not allowed to drink from, restaurants they were not allowed to eat in, and had to sit in the back of the bus. The Tuskegee episode had the American government using Blacks as experimental guinea pigs. While I too find accusations of the government manufacturing the HIV virus to murder Blacks outrageous any Black American that was taught about the Tuskegee disgrace has reason to doubt their government. Voter suppression of Blacks was rampant and even as recently as the 2000 election for President there were allegations of attempts to turn away Black voters. The entire world saw Black bodies floating down the flooded streets of New Orleans as the federal government stood by and did nothing as the Black neighborhoods of New Orleans were destroyed. Today, in 2008, Black men are still stopped at random by policemen for the sole reason they are Black. A Black man trying to catch a taxi in most major cities in America has a less than 50% chance the taxi will stop for them. Yes, I abhor what Reverend Wright says. I am White and I am Jewish but I still can understand his anger and the anger and doubts of most Black Americans. We can criticize him all we want for hating us but history shows his animosity is most definitely not make believe. There were wrongs that were righted and wrongs and injustice that still must be righted, but we do our country a great disservice by dismissing everything the man said as ranting and raving. We cannot move forward if we cannot understand our past and we must embrace each other as equals and treat each other as we would like others to treat us.

Richardson endorsement is going to get Obama the Latino vote. Obama has claimed him self as a black man running for President, making this a black vs white race to the White House. Richardson is were he is today because of the Clinton's. Richardson wants to be V.P> but that isn't going to happen.

Where did she get $5 million to lend to her campaign?

Bill Richardson,,,
Is 1 delegate,,, after his interview,,, then bill oberman told him what clinton said word for word ,,, Richard tried to change what bill clinton said,, and tried to make it more about race,, Then later on the show ,, Richardson,,, He voting for Barack Obama because,,,it what the voter want,,,, That is so funny,,,for Richardson to say that,, Since Hilary clinton won his state of new mexico,, the people have spoken,,, and he saying someithing completely different,, You can bet assure,,, he not going to get re-elected,, Hope he made that back door dealing with Obama,, ,,,

Barack Obama is a liar,,,

To all
Obama speech ,,,, Not sure if you caught Not only did Obama,,, Refuses to denounce him,, but even More,, He say in his own words,,,
Barack Obama was in church when Jeremiah Wright,, was spewing Anti-American, Racist ism ,,,, Those were his own words,,, barack was there
After going on keith Oberman ,Show obama said he would denounce that if he heard that language he would leave and not tolerate it , and denounce it
After he went on MSNBC,, he went on FOX CNN ABC

“The people of Wisconsin deserve a debate,” where she was behind...

Apparently not the people of Pennsylvania, where she is ahead...

Well, I think Bill Richardson is being opportunistic for his own career based on a promise from Obama (VP???)

James Carville is just being James Carville. If anyone is surprised by his comments then they do not know who he is. Having said that... Clinton elevated many people to new levels and opportunities by appointments to positions his administration, who among them were a very large number of African-Americans and Hispanics.

Bill Richardson, Susan Rice, and others may not feel loyalty, but we observers know that Clinton did help them in a significant way to jump start their careers.

By the way... there is NO way that Obama can get the major Hispanic vote by pandering or using token surrogates. Obama has not figured out how to speak to those outside his base.

Finally, McPeak invoking McCarthy in describing a former two-term President who is well-liked within the Democratic party was really a huge blunder... and really despicable.

Hillary seems to be good at dodging everything but bullets.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/03/video_hillarys_race_to_the_car.html

"Video: Hillary's race to the cars

We mentioned yesterday that both a picture and video that seemed to contradict Hillary's claims about a hair-raising First Lady trip to Bosnia had surfaced/

Her quote, from last week: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Here's news footage from the time, just available in YouTube. Is this a memory lapse? Spinnable? She's just not running with her head down. And she can't just make stuff up, can she?"

BB60, get just ONE of your claims right and maybe someone will listen to you. Clue: tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Americans are sick and tired of all such half-truths, spun 'factoids', unnuendos and outright lies.

Bill is trying to distrack from Hillary's empty proof of experience.Richardson has the courage and honor to stand up to the Clinton gutter politics to save the Democratic party. Carvel is just a paid hack.

As much as I want to rationally respond to Carville's allegations, I cannot. Why? Because he, like his wife, Mary Matalin, Cheney's apologist, both give me the creeps. I wish they would both just go away.

Ohhh, yet some more bad news for HRC. Not really anything that was said, but to remind us all that McCarville and HRC are friends!!!! LOL!! If there has ever been a case for guilt-by-association, this is it!!! McCarville stands for everything that politics should NOT stand for.

And for Paul V from above, quite copying and pasting the same post in so many blogs. It really shows me how red you really are. Just admit that you are a republican and make a case for McCain, but don't lie and decieve.

America is a democracy and our constitution gives us the right of free speech.

This is American politics and we deserve the right to stand up for the candidate we support.

America is a democracy and our constitution gives us the right of free speech.

This is American politics and we deserve the right to stand up for the candidate we support.

Where did Obama get his money for his mansion, his wife's job and raise, his trip to the bahamas? I wanna see every doggone day sinc ehe's been in public office.
Show me the money 'bama!

Where did Obama get his money for his mansion, his wife's job and raise, his trip to the bahamas? I wanna see every doggone day sinc ehe's been in public office.
Show me the money 'bama!

If Richardson is "Judas," that would make the Clintons....

No, sorry. I'm not buying that.

Elizebeth: The man wrote 3 best selling books? Did you forget that already? I'll forgive your quick rush to a decision again.

I think Bill Richardson has been running for Vice-President from the beginning with the idea that Hillary had a strong chance at the Presidency. With his past under Bill Clinton's years, this seemed to make him a strong candidate.

However as time went on, he felt strongly toward Obama's message and style of politics, and went with the candidate that had the best chance to win. This also aligns him (as strong on foreign policy) in the drivers seat for the vice-presidency under Barack Obama.

Last point: If Mark Penn, the Clinton campaign's chief strategist thinks this is a minor endorsement, why is Carville so ripped? This is a big deal during a critical time.

I strongly agree with James Carvilles statement and asserttion about the betrayal of Bill Richardson towards the Clintons...what did he hope to gain?
Unify the Party by pledging his superdelegate status to Obama?
Put to rest the incindiary heat of this hard fought nomination process?
Convince Hillary it is her time to bow out?
Add some balm to the deep wound that Jeremiah Wright inflicted?
Try to convince a few more gullible voters that Obama has thirty years of political proweress and knowledge compressed in a one-term Senate career?
Look, this Party is fervently split and will remain so throughout the remainder of this nomination process and no interloper nor alleged peacemaker is going to change any of the rancor one iota.
So what was Richardson acting upon?
He has no delegates to offer the Obama side.
The voters in New Mexico have already cast their vote for the person he chose not to endorse.
Hispanics seem to be lining up behind Clinton, all across the country, and to them, loyalty is a most important quality.
You dance with the one that brung you is the one political adage that has always stood the test of time..and the last I checked it was the Clintons that elevated Richardson to heights he otherwise never would have reached.
So, yes, I agree with Mr. Carvilles suggestion and comparison. It is apropriate and sticking to the theme of Religion that hath sprung up lately quite fitting.
At least he didn't damn anybody..or suggest they burn in hell.
We camps, both sides are ardent in our support of our candidate and it should get loud and it should get boisterous because that is the essence of politics in
our good country, America.
In my opinion, the superdelegates, including Mr. Richardson should wait until the last primary is held in June before declaring or casting their vote and then nobody on either side can say that the voice of the voters was not heard first...which is what most of the pundits are eschewing.
Happy Easter.

Happy Easter Swampsters.
Enjoy your friends, your family, and your faith.
Out of respect, no politics for me today.

Posted by: Doug "Hussein" Zook | March 23, 2008 9:35 AM

Well put man, ditto for me. Let's just all hope that he comes back again real soon. God bless and keep you all.

Griff

First of all, Carville's an idiot. Whatever loyalty Richardson owes to Bill Clinton doesn't extend to Hillary. As a Democratic leader and superdelegate, he is voting with his conscience, as Clinton has said superdelegates should do, and choosing the candidate he thinks is the best for the nomination. He thought about it long and hard, and waited until after the vast majority of Latinos have had the opportunity to vote. How this is "betrayal" is beyond me. In particular, Carville's fiery rhetoric is akin to Jeremiah Wright's.

Ken, you can't have it both ways. I know you HRC supporters don't believe in that, but the rest of the world does. You can not support HRC's statment that superdelegates should vote independent of what the citizen voters vote is, and then pin Mr. Richardson to the wall for making that independent decision that HRC so dearly is asking of the supers. The fact that Mr. Richardson chose NOT to endorse HRC is a really bold statement.

The most infamous betrayal in the history of the Western world: http://theseedsof9-11.com

I just wish the Clintons would drop out of this race...the appearance of either one of them churn my stomach. Have we forgotten the Clinton-fatigue that set the stage for W's coronation? I for one have no more appetite for the scandals that follow the Clintons wherever they go...we desrve much better as a nation.

Richardson is like Obama, a junior senator ambitious to become President, while Bill is a non successful Pres. nominee who would cling to the candidate ahead of the delegates. In short, he wants to apply for vice president.

Richardson has no debt of gratitude. He cannot be trusted.

You know Carville has ALWAYS struck me as a rather strange ranger. Eccentric? definitely! A political HACK? surely. But his single minded and unyielding loyalty to the Clinton's I can't understand. I mean, even if they were his bread and butter during the nineties I'm sure their patronage doesn't extend to the present day. Nonetheless he screams about loyalty and the betrayals of old time allies who in his opinion "OWE" the HillyBilly camp. What exactly it is they owe them I'm not really sure, since the Clinton's have pretty much used, abused, sold out, pimped out, and hung out to dry everyone who ever had the misfortune to become involved with their trashy little traveling political sideshow (ala Illinois/Arkansas/New York etc.). Not to mention the fact that they've called in just about every political favor Slick Willy had coming to him just to get this far. I've heard it said that Carville was one of Willy's political "Attack Dogs" back in the day, but what he hopes to accomplish with this current appearance and subsequent inflammatory spewage of party loyalties rhetoric still escapes me. To my thinking, attacking the Democratic party cronies for not bucking up for the "Hill" is just going to drive them to Obama's camp that much faster. The Clinton's just have far too many skeletons and it seems like every time somebody opens a closet a bunch of them come tumbling out. I think Mr. Carville AND Hilly will be much better served if he just keeps his two cents worth more or less to himself.