How Clinton camp justifies Obama VP but not CinC

Kudos to Tim Russert. Hillary will say anything to get elected, even fratricide a fellow Dem. Shame on them. That's why we need real change... civility in our politicians.

WHEN will Hillary stop endorsing McCain? No Republican would ever be desperate or stupid enough to endorse a Democrat under similar circumstances. With foolish and cut-throat candidates like Hillary, the Democratic Party doesn't need enemies.

Tim Russert is the master at trying to trap people in a corner. He's gone completely feral during this democratic primary, however never uttered a worthwhile word when interviewing the Bushies. Another thing that frustrates is thae fact that it's the BLACK POPULATION that is RACIST. I am black and if I just vote a person because they are black, that makes me a RACIST. Luckily i am not one and I vote for who is best candidate, HRC.

But as always the media is horribly skewed and cares nothing about the American people and TRUTH.

It seems to me that the monster statement about HRC is absolutely correct and also her whole staff and prominet supporters including Bill Clinton are schiezophraniers.( Multiple personalities)

At this point, it will be impossible for Clinton to take the lead in pledged delegatres no matter what happens with Michgan and Florida. No matter how you slice it, Obama will have the most pledged delegates at the convention, and the Super Delegates aren't about to overturn the pledged delegate results. The Super Delegates are also smart enough to understand that Obama has long coattails, and Clinton doesn't. At this point it's all about the "down the ballot" races. Having Obama at the top of the ticket would increase the Democratic majorities in the house and senate. Looking at it from a practical perspective, 43% of all voters in the United States have an unfavorable view of Hillary Clinton. There's no way that Hillary Clinton, starting with such high negatives, would help Democratic candidates. With her incredibly high negatives, Hillary is destined to lose the National race. She knows that. That's why she is desparately pleading for Democrats to send Obama to the back of the bus (even though he'll have the most pledged delegates) as her Vice-President--that's the only way she could win. But there's no logical reason to do that. Many "Recovering Republicans" like me, and independents, intend to vote for Obama in the General Election, but would NOT vote for a CLINTON/OBAMA ticket. The best hope that the Democratic Party has to win the Presidency in 2008 is NOT to send Obama to the back of the bus; it's to throw Clinton under the bus!

As a Pennsyvanian, Ed Rendell doesn't play with a full deck, and I am not sure how we have him running our state government. Complete idiot.

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HOW OBAMA JUSTIFIES CLINTON VP

This is a fine example of how we should NOT listen to any pundits or staff members who are spinning the facts. We need the facts so that voters can make up their own minds whether or not someone will make a good leader of the U.S. Remember what experience gave us: Rumsfeld and Cheney.

Politicians double-talk. In other news water is wet and objects fall to the earth when unsupported.

Still, I'm glad he was called on it.

Clinton is boring !

HOW ARROGANT! HOW TYPICALLY ARROGANT OF CLINTON!

It's amazing that someone (Obama) who is leading the delegate count should be discussed in a secondary role as VP. Hillary Rove Clinton is trying to diminish Obama in every respect, suggesting he even does not belong in the race with her and McCain. Maybe Hillary and McCain could hook up on the Republican side. I will not vote for Hillary if she makes it to the general election. Linking him to Bush after she voted for his war was the last straw.

I think Hillary would make a better president in this time of clean up in the White House. Obama has a lots of feathers, but not enough chicken. Also I think he will kill the Democratic Party if he does not get off of his bandwagon not to want to go on a Clinton-Obama ticket as most of the Clinton people will not vote for him just as the black voters have said they will not vote for Hillary. He should have waited till 2016. To me he reflects too much of the American greed of "I want it now" whether is be money or prestige. I wish the Democratic Party could step in and say enough is enough and control all the forthcoming damage that will be done, let alone all the money that will be spent. Anyway I agree with Rendell, Hillary has been down the road a lot longer and knows where are the bumps in the road are.

Nice work, Tim Russert. Clinton might also want to take note that, in addition to making speeches in 2002, he was also busy fighting for ethics reform and passing the important civil rights legislation mandating videotaping of confessions.

Senator Obama has had a lifetime of experience too. His best qualifies him as commander-in-chief. First Senator Clinton said her vote for Iraq was her best one. Next she told Code Pink and Iraqi ladies "I gave the matter careful study". Next she says, "we acted on faulty intelligence", not taking responsibility for her own vote. Then she switches up, saying: This is George Bush's war...this has always been George Bush's war, telling us she is incapable of standing up to GWB and saying: No. What did he do to force her to vote yes?

Obama will NEVER be Hillarys VP. These are just SOME of the reasons why:

Lesson one: A thief must never call the police to investigate anything.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign suggests that Senator Barack Obama is somehow corrupt because one of his former political donors, Chicago realtor, Tony Rezko is under trial for corruption.

To begin with, one of Senator Hillary Clinton’s past donors Norman Hsu, who gave her $850,000 was a corrupt embezzler who tried to flee and even attempted suicide in the midst of his own corruption trial last year.

Desperate, after Senator Obama had won 11 states in a row and built his insurmountable delegates count which now stands at 150, Senator Clinton decided to focus on sliming Obama. Now nothing is out of bounds.

Many people believe the name “Clinton” is synonymous with “Corruption.” A google search of “Clintons” and “scandal” yields 10,200,000 hits. A search of “Obamas” and “scandal” yields 1,570,000 hits.

The Clinton’s should be the last people to talk about corruption, scandals, and integrity. They are one of the most immoral, amoral, and perhaps corrupt political couples in history. While Senator Obama won’t bring up the issue, even after the Clintons continue “throwing the kitchen sink” at him, some politicians and major newspaper columnists are now beginning to raise questions.

This is what respected Obama supporter and former New Jersey senator Bill Bradley told PBS’s “Newshour,” this past Wednesday: "I think Barack Obama has a much stronger chance of beating John McCain in the general election. I think Hillary is flawed in many ways, and particularly if you look at her husband's unwillingness to release the names of the people who contributed to his presidential library. And the reason that is important -- you know, are there favors attached to $500,000 or $1 million contributions? And what do I mean by favors? I mean, pardons that are granted; investigations that are squelched; contracts that are awarded; regulations that are delayed. These are important questions. The people deserve to know. And we deserve, as Democrats, to know before a nominee is selected, because we don't want things to explode in a general election against John McCain."

The Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan, also writes that Hillary Clinton is “the most divisive figure in the country” and adds that people “have reason to view her as dark, dissembling, thuggish.” She also wonders: “Why aren’t we talking about impeachment, Whitewater and Osama?”

Noonan is obviously referring to the impeachment of Hillary Clinton’s husband, Bill Clinton, who was too busy molesting the intern Monica Lewinsky with a cigar when the red phone was ringing; and she is asking about the Whitewater land deal scandal that also involved the Clintons; and, finally she refers to the fact that commander in chief Bill Clinton waffled when he was provided intelligence of Osama bin Laden’s whereabouts, allowing him to escape.

Senator Clinton says she’s experienced having learned from her husband’s administration. That should be an excellent reason why she shouldn’t pick up the red phone at 3 AM.

What does all this have to do with the current presidential campaign? That’s the question senator Clinton should have done before she launched the “kitchen sink” attacks rather than sticking with the campaign issues.

Lesson two: If you have dirty underwear never call for underwear inspections.

The problem here is that Hillary Clinton is engaged in destructive, anything to get me in the White House politics. Consequently, she does not deserve to be there, especially when she has in essence endorsed McCain. Perhaps she could run as his VP.

This is really good reporting. This exchange should be in all the Pennsylvania newspapers and on the National Networks. Rendell is unbelievable. Give me a break; Obama is ready, but not near as ready as Hilary-what kind of double talk trash is that. Words are meaningless when they can't be backed up. He can't say how she is better prepared, but she is. Rendell should go on Saturday Nite with Clinton, they are both big mouth comedians.

HRC needs to get rid of 'Maggie Williams' who is a scandalous and corrupt hussy. She is a hussy who left the US for France because she was afraid of a subpoena from Congress, and she wind-up racking up 350,000 USD in legal bills. HRC really picks them well!

As a Pennsylvanian , I am ashamed of Rendell's irrational almost racist stance, and am now regretful for giving him my vote.

Obama represents the heart and soul of America today, and the governor did not even give him a chance to voice his message.
Shame on you Rendell,
Shame on you Rendell

This is very silly... and it shows how self centered this whole thing is.If you think somebody is ready be your vice then you are saying if something happened to you, he/she would be qualified to take over, including to be commander in chief.Selective admission will not work.

The double ticket issue was answered in the next to the last debate that Clinton insisted upon having. They were both asked and they both said: NO. Did she and Bill and the press forget? She seems to forget a lot of what she has said and makes me dizzy with her double talk.

Senator Obama, I believe is aware of something Rendell and the Clintons are not: I am not a Democrat. I did not register to vote in the Democrat party for Clinton. I studied candidates~she was never on my list: Iraq.

Should she be on the ticket even as VP under Obama, I will vote Cynthia McKinney in November. I am not alone in being an Obama supporter that will never vote for known corruption of the Clintons.

Hillary has based a good part of her campaign on the notion of her experience. But have you seen this ad showing her authorizing the Iraq War? It’s pretty powerful stuff:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hwLaCb07lAs

The dirty-little-secret is that the old Democratic Party establishment (the DLC types) has had its own version of the “southern strategy”. In their case it was not geographically defined. Governor Edward Rendell of Pennsylvania let the cat out the other day, when he suggested that poor rural whites (my rendition) would not vote for Senator Obama because of his color. Whether they would or would not is probably too general and gross stereotyping not worth dwelling on. But, that the party elders are versed in this kind of wedge advocacy on behalf of the Clintons is problematic. The Clinton campaign has not failed to oblige either. The argument they are forwarding suggesting that she should get the nomination despite the popular will because she can win in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania is a not so veiled evocation of this strategy.
So now we are being asked by the Clintons and some of their Democratic Party elders to ignore the wishes and desires of their most ardent historical supporters, African Americans and ignore the popular will, and forward a candidate that appeals to their presumably racist swing voters!
For the record: 1) I don’t believe Gov. Dean is part of the old guard, 2) I don’t believe that the majority of working class whites are what they are being portrayed to be, 3) Senator Obama will get the nomination, if nothing else, I don’t think the Democrats want to risk a Fall of demonstrations and picketing leading to the fulfillment of their own prophecy.

Correction of a misnomer: A ~150 delegate lead in a system that allocates by proportional representation is no narrow margin. The corollary: if it was narrow, she would easily overcome it. Then again, the journalistic body is mostly (with some exception) made of the sector of the student body that is particularly weak in math and not consciousness of doing homework. They would rather repackage campaign propaganda than do their own analyses.

Well done, Mr. Russert. Hillary has long past the point of ridiculous in her HUNGER-blinded quest for power.

Another reason Obama will never be a Clinton VP:

Labor Day Weekend 2007 — In the dead of night during a hot Virginia summer, an unknown intruder silently hoisted himself through a downstairs window into a rural home. As the unsuspecting homeowner slept upstairs, the burglar carried out his mission. The next morning, Kathleen Willey awoke to find her jewelry untouched, her credit cards intact, and her electronics disturbed but not stolen. A copy of the manuscript of her upcoming book—a book containing damaging revelations about Bill and Hillary Clinton—had mysteriously disappeared.

For Willey, the manuscript theft was déjà vu. Ten years earlier, the former White House aide‘s life had been turned upside down by threats aimed at silencing her about the sexual assault she experienced at the hands of President Bill Clinton. The Clintons’ fears about Willey speaking publicly were heightened by what she knew of their shady political operations. Now, with Hillary Clinton in the midst of a campaign to return to the Oval Office—this time as president of the United States—Willey has decided to break the silence she maintained for ten years. And, as a result, Willey finds herself once again a target.

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Democratic activist Kathleen Willey helped send Bill and Hillary Clinton to the White House in 1992. Little did she imagine how the Clintons would repay her.

While serving as a volunteer in the White House and facing financial hard times, Willey met with Bill Clinton in the Oval Office to request a paying position. Instead of offering assistance, the man she considered a friend sexually assaulted her. Distraught, Willey fled Clinton's presence, only to discover that her husband Ed had committed suicide that same tragic afternoon.

Yet that was only the beginning of Willey's torment at the hands of the Clintons. When her name later surfaced as a potential witness in litigation involving the president, Willey found herself on the receiving end of a Mob-style campaign of threats and intimidation. The unmistakable message? Keep silent, if you know what's good for you. The perpetrator? Willey concluded that it had to be none other than Hillary Clinton herself!

Now, with Hillary seeking a return to the White House, this time as president, Kathleen Willey has broken her decade-long silence in order to tell America the shocking full story. In the pages of Target: Caught in the Crosshairs of Bill and Hillary Clinton, Kathleen Willey reveals for the first time:

The possible identity of the mysterious jogger sent to threaten her, and his Clinton connection;
Information about shady financial dealings involving the Clintons and her late husband, and
Evidence that Hillary Clinton orchestrated the campaign of terror against her.
Blow-by-blow and in vivid detail, Target details Willey's ordeal at the hands of the nation's most ruthless political tag team.

Faced with the prospect of another Clinton presidency, Willey has opted not to back down. Instead, she is sharing her story to make voters aware of exactly what they'll be getting should they decide to return the Clintons to the White House.

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“Willey takes readers on a whirlwind tour of the events that propelled her into the Clinton impeachment vortex. Bill Clinton’s star turn in Willey’s life began with sexual harassment in the Oval Office but soon turned to pure harassment. And it’s Hillary—the woman who would be president—who’s at the center of the forces attacking Kathleen for telling the truth about the president’s rapacious sexual appetite. This is an important read.”
—Ann Coulter, author of five New York Times bestsellers, including Godless, Treason, and Slander

“The White House under Bill and Hillary Clinton was a moral and political slum, where a decent woman could be molested in the Oval Office and defamed and harassed when she complained. It’s shocking to think that the crooked partnership could ever be allowed back into our Executive Mansion and Kathleen Willey has done a great service by reminding us so vividly of what it was like last time.”
—Christopher Hitchens, author of No One Left to Lie To: The Values of the Worst Family

“After President Bill Clinton sexually assaulted Kathleen Willey in the Oval Office, the Clinton machine went into overdrive, unleashing both a smear campaign and terror tactics to try to silence her. With honesty and courage, Willey recounts both what Clinton did to her that day—and what Hillary and the Clintonistas did to her afterwards.”
—Melanie Morgan, host, KSFO Radio, and co-author of American Mourning

This is NONSENSE..I hope Obama never descend that low...accepting to be HRC's VP. he has a whole lot more to offer America. He will kill all his chances of doing anything to attain that goal.GO BARACK...

"I think Hillary would make a better president in this time of clean up in the White House" from Ann Knapp

Um, she is the clean up Obama promises to get rid of in DC on behalf of we, the people who are tired of crooks and liars.

As one Marine Iraqi war vet said: for every 2 or 3 enemy we kill we wake up 10 or 12 more. Bill's air strikes in no fly zone was most likely waking up some terrorists. Those dead children, gratis our cluster bombs in civilian areas, were not my enemy, but they have created a powerful hatred of the USA as has the tortures and other stuff. Hillary is seen as Bush. She will bring more hatred to the us and put us in more danger.

We see what Hillary is doing -
She'll kindly give Barack Obama the back of the bus.

She's certainly fitting right in to the "monster" label.

I think it's only a tactical play to win over hesitant Obama supporters. Essentially what she's saying is: fine, you like him, I will make him my vp. But, I am sure that if she gets the nomination, she will not, then at the time, pick him as a vp. The other thing that it will serve her is that if Obama gets the nomination, she will in fact without doing anything leave it out there that she once made it known she would take him as a vp but he would not return the favor, and so put him in a negative light.

But on the other hand, to many who are supporting Obama, I think they may feel that it's as demeaning to Obama as anything else that has been thrown at him that he's second class to her. This is especially bad when she is giving such impression in a time which it's too early to talk vp stuff. This may turn some Obama independents off away from Clinton.

"Luckily i am not one and I vote for who is best candidate, HRC.

But as always the media is horribly skewed and cares nothing about the American people and TRUTH." Posted by: Ally Washington

I agree with the first part of your comment. White people that vote for white people are not called bigots or accused of voting for candidates because they are white. Just another way to disrespect our African/American citizens.

The Clintons play that race card well. Your last sentence upsets me. Those of us who know truth would never vote for Clintons. She sinks to no low, has lied since day one of the campaign to discredit Senator Obama rather than try to sell herself on her merits.

The truth is she overstates her 35 year experience. She overstates just about everything. The Clintons have a long string of scandals behind them. The Peter Paul civil suit is scheduled to begin in October. Hillary will be required to testify. Truth is Bill was disbarred for lying under oath to the Grand Jury. Truth is Hillary forgot to mention her conflict of interest via Bill with Dubai when she cited Neil Bush as being GWB's conflict in the east coast port deals.

There is nothing truthful about the Clintons. Sad that you do not see that. Especially being African/American you should pick up on her real nature. Senator Obama is a man, not the 'naughty boy' she thinks she has a right to scold.

Wasn't Rendell quoted as saying that there are parts of his state that would not vote for a black candidate? Pretty sad coming from the mouth of a Governor

Obama used Republican tactics to scare people away from universal healthcare. His aggressive advertisements said "Hillary [and implicitly Edwards too] wants the Government to force people to buy healthcare." Obama has lost vast amounts of credibility, and this shows that he is willing to sell out fundamental rights in order to appeal to right-wingers. This is an attack on the fundamental principle that every citizen should be mandated to have healthcare access. I'm not a huge fan of Clinton or Obama - though I certanly hope the Democrats beat the Republicans. But lets stop making it sound like Clinton is the only sneaky one here. Obama is pretty right-wing (and pretty ruthless) when it suits his own interests. So, to conclude, I hope people wake up and start seeing that Obama (not just Clinton) is selling out to the republican right.

HRC doesn't have much respect for the public, or our intelligence. That may fly with her ill-informed, emotional, naive, deluded followers, but the rest of us can see right through her, especially since she's being so obvious about it. Naked ambition is a common fault in a political animal, but to lack subtlety to such degree is unbecoming in one who claims to be such an old hand. Definitely un-Presidential. I've always found her too unstable as well. Combined with her baggages, she spells disaster. Besides, why bother with this Mc-McCain anyway?

Breaking News!!! Major Political Scandal!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucasus. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican cheating.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! All democrats need to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton. So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your WINNER! They are the best I have ever seen.

You should be angry America. "This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Just another Clinton snow job. Do/Say anything.

http://www.hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2

So, let's see, from 1988 it's been: Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush- -and now--Clinton-Clinton, just in time for Bush (Jeb) again in 2016. This is the logic we get from people like Rendell. We look like Azerbaijan.

I would be satisfied with either one of these terrific candidates on the same ticket.I do agree that Hillary has more experience as far as dealing with foreign policy and the economy.She also has many years of experience working on trying to get universal healthcare passed.I think Hillary will make a great president and having Obama as her VP will be an unstoppable force.Obama brings energy and charisma to the young voters and Hillary brings out the women and elderly voters.Either way it goes i will be satisfied no matter who is on the top of the ticket.As long as it is Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton the GOP will not be able to beat the "dynamic duo".!!!!

"I wish the Democratic Party could step in and say enough is enough and control all the forthcoming damage that will be done, let alone all the money that will be spent."

Dear lord, the poster Ann Knapp above just suggested that the "Democratic" party stop this crazy "democracy" thing and just choose the candidate they like the best for whatever party boss reasons they dream up. Evidently Republicans don't have a monopoly on hypocrisy or insanity.

Will Senator Clinton denounce Governor Rendell for joning Louis Farrakhan, "in challenging residents of Philadelphia and the nation to put aside ethnic differences." despite objections from leading Jewish groups, when he was Mayor in 1997?

Will Senator Clinton also denounce Bill's UAE Sheik business partners because of their ant-Hebrew sentiments, to the point of lobbying our government to help destroy Israel?

Will she denounce Sandra Day O'Connor for using her government position to aid and abet a terrorist group that has operated on our soil for about 100 years? When Ms. Clinton was First Lady I saw no uproar about the then Justice overturning a 50 year ban in Virgina on cross burnings, giving the KKK a green light to step up their terrorism against our African/American citizens.

here's a story i have.

i asked one of my assistants, a young man around 30 years old.

which party will win the election?
- democrats.

but we still don't know who will win the nomination.
- i like both of hillary and barack. but it should be hillary.

why?
- she is much more experience. she's ready.

it seems obarma is good, too.
- he should wait at least 4 years. he doesn't have his own stuff. he borrowed all stuff from others. for example, he got "change" idea from john edwards.

.......

do you guys agree?

for the country, i will vote for john or clinton. the only reason is they have been in service for long time, they have experience. that's it.

Hillary likes to claim co-presidency status.....where was she during this crisis?

"Hillary Clinton, Not So Good on Genocide

By Marc Cooper, Huffington Post. Posted March 8, 2008.

Obama adviser Samantha Power exposed the Clinton administration's indifference to genocide -- she got the boot for stating it on the campaign trail.

The Barack Obama campaign is about to pay a very high price for the inopportune words of one of its most distinguished foreign policy advisors. The dazzlingly brilliant journalist, Pulitzer-prize winning author, and Harvard professor, Samantha Power, has been forced to resign from the campaign after she recklessly told a reporter that Hillary Clinton is a "monster."

In the pungently hypocritical game of American politics, this is just something outside the rules. Whether it's true, or not, matters little. Nor does it matter that the object of Power's derision has just finished spending millions on TV ads implying that Obama would be responsible for the countless deaths of millions of American children sleeping at 3 a.m. Tut, tut. Nothing monstrous about that.

Power was rightfully awarded the Pulitzer for her finely written and downright horrifying book A Problem From Hell which, in macabre detail, describes the calculated indifference of the Clinton administration when 800,000 Rwandans were being systematically butchered. The red phone rang and rang and rang again. I don't know where Hillary was then. But her husband and his entire experienced foreign policy team -- from the brass in the Pentagon to the congenitally feckless Secretary of State Warren Christopher -- just let it ring.

And as more than one researcher has amply documented the case, the bloody paralysis of the Clinton administration in the face of the Rwandan genocide owed not at all to a lack of information, but rather to a lack of will. A reviewer of Power's book for The New York Times, perhaps summed it up best, saying that the picture of Clinton that emerges from this reading is that of an "amoral narcissist."

Former Canadian General Romeo Dallaire, who commanded the UN forces in Rwanda at the time of the genocide, tells us a similar story in his own memoir. General Dallaire recounts how, at the height of the Rwandan holocaust, he got a phone call from a Clinton administration staffer who wanted to know how many Rwandans had already died, how many were refugees and how many were internally displaced. Writes Dallaire: "He told me that his estimates indicated that it would take the deaths of 85,000 Rwandans to justify the risking of the life of one American soldier." Eventually, ten times that many would die. And our response? A handful of years later, at a photo-op stopover in Kigali airport, Bill Clinton bit his lip and said he was sorry.

Therein resides the richest and saddest irony of all. Samantha Power has actually lived the sort of life that Hillary Clinton's campaign staff has, for public consumption, invented for its candidate. Though not quite 40 years old, Power has spent no time on any Wal-Mart boards but has rather dedicated her entire adult life rather tirelessly to championing humanitarian causes. She has spoken up when others were silent. She took great personal risks during the Balkan wars to witness and record and denounce the carnage (She reported that Bill Clinton intervened against the Serbs only when he felt he was losing personal credibility as a result of his inaction. "I'm getting creamed," Power quoted the then-President saying as he fretted over global consternation over his own hesitation to act).

We gave Power the Pulitzer for exposing the, well, monstrous indifference of the Clinton administration as it stared unblinkingly and immobile into the face of massive horror. But we give her a kick in the backside and throw her out the door when she has the temerity to publicly restate all that in one impolite word. Monstrous, indeed."

Wonder how Hillary can claim that she can handle the world leaders and world problems when she could not even controll her husband all their life together?
davis

Oh, get real.

The real scandal is that Rush Limbaugh's dittoheads are now turning up for HRC, and she's claiming to have turned the tide on her own merits.

It is a fact that Obama is attracting a large number of independents AND Obamacans, who are not to be confused with the GOP voters for HRC intent on MISCHIEF, now that McCain is done with his primaries.

It is a fact that they have a vested interest in a protracted Dem contest, and that the Media is raking in serious $$ and has reasons to want it drawn out.

It is a fact that GOP cannot wait to get their shot at the Clintons again. They are smacking their lips, and biding their time, because Hillary will be a stronger rallying point for their voter base than McCain. HRC on the ballot will energize and unify their voters against her.

Perhaps that's why she endorsed McCain over Obama? To appease them? Or perhaps to encourage their turn out FOR her in the primaries. But whichever you cut it, that was pretty dastardly in a so-called Democrat. She isn't fit to carry the Democratic Banner!

It's racist to ASSume Black people are voting for Obama just because he's Black.
There are whole lot of Black people I wouldn't vote for. Al Sharpton got fewer Black votes the Kerry or Edwards.

Senator Cardin who is White and Jewish got more Black votes than Michael Steele in their Senate Race.

Obama just defeated Clinton in Wyoming 61% to 38% and it wasn't because he carried the Black vote.

The media stokes the racist by ignoring race in states that Obama wins that have a small Black population.
But if the Black population is over 20% then media will remind you of that at least 20 times an hour.

The play of Hillary & Bill Clinton to put Barack Obama out of the running for president by "leading us to believe" that he will be HER Vice President is a typical CLINTON anthing goes tactic --- MAYBE WE JUST DO NOT WANT THE CLINTONS AGAIN. Also, Republicans working for Obama are ready to see Barack Obama as President.

Here's an e-mail I sent to Ed Rendell. I would encourage any who are as enraged as I am to contact him, also.

Dear Mr. Rendell,

I am writing in response to seeing you tout the "dream team" ticket to your constituents. As an Obama loyalist, I wish for you to understand that those of us who support Barack Obama don't just support him because of his message, his policies, and his record of experience. We also support him because of his character, integrity, judgment, conscience, and his ability to mobilize folks and cross party-lines to get things done. Those personal qualities that he carries do not extend to Senator Clinton. For that reason, as well as many others that have to do with Senator Clinton's troubled past and her despicable campaign tactics, I hope you will understand that Obama supporters would not support Senator Clinton in any capacity. We would not tolerate her as a running-mate, and we certainly do not appreciate the fact that Bill Clinton, yourself, Clinton surrogates, and others in the media are attempting to get folks in PA and elsewhere to believe that a vote for Senator Clinton = a vote for Senator Obama as VP.

The idea of a Clinton/Obama ticket is ludicrous as is the mere mention of it. Senator Obama is ahead in states won, pledged delegates, and the popular vote. He is also ahead in donations, getting new people into the political process, and getting folks to cross-over to vote for him. He is running the best campaign, and from what I can tell, most intelligent, sound, and seamless campaign ever seen in modern-day politics. It is no mystery what the Clintons are attempting to do by speaking of a joint, two-for-the-price-of-one ticket. It's nothing more than a political trick and Obama supporters are calling their bluff.

You, yourself, said that if Senator Clinton did not win both Texas and Ohio, she'd be out of the race. The media has done well to obscure the fact--by creating a parallel world of reality--that Senator Clinton did NOT win Texas. Barack Obama currently has more delegates in Texas and since we all know it is delegates that matter here, Barack Obama won Texas. However, despite weeks of chatter about the "Texas two-step," the media and others have only reported on the "Texas one-step"--that which Senator Clinton won. You have all forgot to add that second step . . . the caucus, which put Barack Obama over the top. So, given the fact that Senator Clinton is now running on the illusion of momentum, and given the fact that by your own statements about winning both Texas and Ohio, why should anyone suggest that Barack Obama play second-fiddle to someone whom he is besting?

I personally find the floating of the "dream-team" ticket to be deceitful, and wish that you and others would put an end to it immediately. The sentiment is echoed by all other Obama loyalists, also. Should anyone need confirmation of that fact, I would invite you to visit the blogs over at barackobama.com where we speak of this issue quite frequently.

Sincerely,

I do not think that there is a contradiction. One is much more readier than other. Let me put it simple for you. Imagine a passing grade in a grad school a C+, Obama can pass, but we have a A+ Candidate and her name is Hillary Clinton.

Hillary 08 :)
PS: indeed, this question was not tricky.

My whole life I've been a left wing, liberal, loyal democrat, but for the first time in my life I'm faced with the possibility that I might vote for a republic. If Clinton wins the nomination, I'm voting for McCain. Even I disagree with his politics at least he is honest. She is so awful. If she steals the election from Barack it's going to be yet another tragedy in a long line of democratic tragedies.

Please, NO more bushes or clintons in the white house. ENOUGH is ENOUGH.
Lets move in a different direction. Hillary speaks with a forked tougue. She is a typical politition and can not be trusted.
She is running soley on a Feminist platform.
We need more change then women issues alone!
Vote out Hillary NOW...
NO MORE CLINTONS.
VOTE TO MAKE THEM GO AWAY.

Its up to you voters to make the future different.
Don't choose a path, Create ONE.

Thank you for allowing my words.

Clinton - Obama ticket or vice versa will never happen because Obama would never accept the veep position and he doesn't need the liability named Clinton. She need him but he needs her like he needs a hole in the head.

Can you imagine what life as VP would be like under Bill and Hillary? I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, much less Barack Obama. Hillary can't possibly catch up to him in total delegates won during the actual campaign, so she offers him her VP slot. Think she might have an entitlement mentally for the presidency?

I think the Bill Clinton is right. I am one of the few black folks who likes Clinton.

BTW the popular vote was just re-done. Bad news for Obama

Since Hilary's 3 wins the popular vote is now equal. So Obama doesn't have his lead anymore.

So many negative people here. If oboma people are so good why are they so nasty and negative writing here. Thats not what obama preaches.

Clintons have been through the ringer and still came out good. they are battle proven and have always supported black folks, hispanics and whites.

I think the blacks turning there backs on a unknown person just because of skin color is raciest. You are being raciest against a white person and thats just as bad as being raciest against a black.

Most black people arnt even black they have european blood in them. So its based on skin color not experience and who supported them in the past.

I fell Clinton will do more for blacks than Obama. I have a lot of black friends and I dont think of them as black and white just think of there character.

I would always put Clinton first its logical and makes much more sense if you want the country to do well.

There go the Obamaites again. Even a VP slot for Obama is a credit to him. 8 years in the VP slot will strengthen his credentials and experience. What's Obama's big hurry to be President? Does he know something we, the people, don't know?

Tim, thank you for very keen observation. Yes, VP candidate should be ready to take over Commandar in Chief position in an unfortunate event of the loss of the president. It has already happened in our history. Assasination attempts are not exclusively targetted to black leaders. True MLK was black but JFK was white. Also you never know when a person's time is up. Cancer, heart attack and traffic accident, you name it. If Hilary thinks Obama is ready for VP but not for Commandar in chief, she is kidding herself or just saying anything to get elected. Hilary, be honest!

Shame on Hillary Clinton for endorsing the Republican candidate and putting her fellow Democrat down as she has. This is unprecedented! Shame on her! And then suggesting that Obama would even want to be on the same ticket. For her, he's good enough to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, but only a speech in 2002! Desperate, shallow, mean-spirited baloney! I can't believe I'm even considering voting for McCain if she becomes the Democratic candidate, or not vote at all for President. I'm a lifelong Democrat and Clinton is stooping too low. I believe she will lose, if she's up against McCain in November, and for good reason. She is alienating many Democrats and Independents with her tactics. Our military and the American and Iraqi people will all lose with another 100 years of Bush's war, and all that that implies.

This whole "Obama as VP" thing is absolutely ridiculous. Obama leads in the popular vote, he leads in pledged delegates and he leads in states won. How dare she even suggest that she should be at the top of the ticket. Shame on her! Obama has massive crossover appeal and has proven to bring young voters to the polls. Obama doesn't need Hillary, she needs him... desperately!

She should really drop out now and quit being an annoyance.

The Clintons are lying snakes who will do and say anything to get elected. How many times has Hillary lied in this campaign.

She is deceitful and evil. If superdelegates aiienate Obama voters by overturning the results they will lose the White House for a generation.

The fact that there are so many "recovering" Republicans willing to support BO but not HRC makes me more reluctant to support him. All we need now is for a drunk Bush or Cheney to utter Gobama and it will be crystal clear.

As the most divisive and arguably most corrupt politician in America, Hillary is using lies and surrogates (like jacksmith) to try to weasle into the presidency. I cannot imagine a worse person to represent women and our country. Obama, don't let Hillary drag you down. And no, Hillary could never beat McCain.

wow!!!desperate Hillary Clinton,if you are reaaly that desperate for power,then you are in shit.deep deep shit.How dare you assign the VP to someone who has more delegates and more popular voters than you? Dont play with the intelligence of Americans.We know you as a very divisive figure and we are really going to avoid you .Am in Pennyslavania and believe you me ,you and your backers are doomed.Penny is for OBAMA---THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.OBAMA.

What kind of answer was Obama's if not truly insightly as to his motives being about obtaining power when asked recently about accepting the Vice Presidency and his response being that he doesn't see himself as being the Vice President only the President. Shouldn't someone who is tooting the banner of "change for the people" response have been more along the lines... I would serve the people in any capacity deemed available to bring about immediate, effective and life saving change that the American public is in desparate need of.. Not, I want to be President or nothing else. To me his response reeked of ego!and it seems he's only there for the betterment and glory of himself.

You, my friend Jack, are an absolute idiot. I am a cross-over Republican voting for Obama. I certainly did not cross over because I thought he would be beaten. I crossed over because he is a decent, intelligent, qualified person that will reinstate respect for us globally. If Hillary gets on the ticket, I'm voting for McCain.

jacksmith: are you insane!!, you are just the type that the clinton's love, unstable, spewing garbage out of your mouth, national surveys show that clinton does'nt stand a chance in h--l to beat McCain, the truth will come out about her and her husband in a national election, that is why they would even suggest a clinton obama ticket, they can't win it with out him, but he can win it with out her, I'm a republican that is tired of GWB, and his type, John McCain, I'm crossing over and voting for a change, fresh air, no track record, tied to no special interest, and for those of you that think that she is more qualified to be commander in chief, by what ends? she has made no decisions on national security except to send us to Iraq, WRONG CHOICE!! and all the supposed generals that are backing her, they owe Bill favors, and most supported the war, this crap needs to end, the same ol sh-t needs to be eliminated, new leadership BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Jacksmith,

Thank you reminding me of the difference between Obama supporters and Billary Supports. And why Obama wins the "educated" vote in every state.

The democratic party has several big problems. The issue about MI and FL does not have a really good solution that won't hurt either the voters or either of the candidates. If they refuse to knowledge those votes they will risk losing their vote in the general election. I know I would be mad enough to vote the other party just as many people did this past 2006 election when they gave notice to the republicans by voting many out. I think HC has the right to make issue about her record of experience compared to Barack. He is very short on experience, with HC edging him out. However both have never served in the military and personally that is a deal breaker for me. When my husband was being considered for a top job(president) for a large corporation there were over 200 qualified applicants with extensive manufacturing and managerial experience that were being considered. They all had 20+ years of experience. There was not one applicant that was seriously considered based on his/her potential abilities that didn't have a resume stuffed with real honest accomplishments. Judging from the many naive comments that Barack has made during this campaign cycle, I can see why HC feels he is not currently prepared to be Commander and Chief.

Interesting theory jacksmith - hmmm with all the conspiracy theorists out there, this is the 1st I've heard of this one. When were the Repubs doing this? Did they send out secret signals to each other? Hmmm. Did they forget to go vote in Texas/Ohio/Rhode Island? Is Elvis giving Clinton attack advice?

Take your meds. Leave the computer for a while and get out of the house (trust me, no one is following you). Enjoy some fresh air, and get in touch with reality. You'll feel much better.

Jacksmith,

Just read it again... Even better the second time! Thanks for the giggle! Fantastic!

"Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage ..."

The Clintons INVENTED fraudulent outrage.

HOW DARE THJE OPBAMA PEOPLE CALL ANYONE THAT SUPPORTS HILLARY SCHIZOPHRENICS....WE AT LEAST ARE FOR THE BEST CANDIDATE NOT SOMEONE THAT MAKES EMPTY SPEECHES AND WINS IN CAUCUSES IN RED STATES...HEY!!!! WE ARE NOT GOIING TO WIN THOSE STATES IN A GENERAL ELECTION...GUESS WHAT...THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE CAUCUSES IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. WAKE UP PEOPLE..DO YOU WANT TO WIN OR FIGHT EACH OTHER! HILLARY 08!!!!

Clinton is in second place. That's the Vice President' position.

Any other suggestion is misleading!

What the Clinton campaign is doing is insulting to Obama and his supporters. Obama has a substantial lead in the delegate count, has more popular votes, has won twice as many states as Hillary, and has almost unlimited fund-raising power. These advantages will not change even after the upcoming elections.

If Obama is quiet about the Clintons' message, they would want to fool voters that "vote for her and get him for free." If Obama rejects her message, she will say that "Obama is not a uniter."

The Clintons are as low to do this. Shameless, indeed!

CLINTON-OBAMA TICKET? NO WAY! REASON: STAFF PEOPLE OF BOTH CAMPS DISDAIN EACH OTHER. BETTER FOR MADAME PRES. HILLARY TO GET SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS AS HER
RUNNING MATE.
NOW, WHAT ABOUT SEN. OBAMA?
GIVE HIM A CABINET PORTFOLIO, OR MAKE HIM AN
AMBASSADOR. HE CAN HAVE HIS CHOICE.

HRC will say anything, do anything, hurt anyone, to win. She should be asking John McCain if she could be his VP. HRC and Barack are on the same team (Democratic Party). Two quarterbacks vying for the starting position - President of US. HRC, shoudl act as such. Stop being so negative toward your team mate. HRC is very close to harming to party where we will lose the general election. My guess is that if she can't win, Barack Obama won't either.

I am appalled by the tactics the Clinton's (BILL & HILLARY) are saying about Obama. There was a time when I thought I could vote for Hillary just based on what her husband had done for our coun try when he was in office. However, I see them both as trying to bring turmoil between the African-American community. If Obama stays on course with this campaign and gets the popular vote and is denied the nomination this country could very well go back to the 60's with rioting/killing in the streets! Are you willing to take that chance?

Uh, excuse me jacksmith. A large number of Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas because Rush Limbaugh told them to and they know she will be the weaker candidate. Stop spreading lies.

Obama has been playing every underhanded trick since day one. First wronfully calling the Clintons racist and thereby scaring off the press from scrutiny. Then the phony statements that Obama does not whine and is running a clean race. Give me a break.

Seems to me Obama said he does not want to be VP. I agree, his place on her ticket would leave her open to being pulled down by him. Obama should return to the Senate and prove himself.

Obama & The Upscale Vote; The Clinton "Death Squad" Smear vs. Rezko

I keep wondering why obama supposedly get's the upscale votes, when I am educated, and I am part of this group. I hate to say it but I feel, after much consideration it's because A) Sexism; B) Obama admitted to doing drugs C) Obama stretches the truth D) Obama is a talented game player and strategist.

These may be traits shared by many "succesful people" in todays world, but I do not feel that is the "change" we really want and need.

Though Obama, claims he is only now "taking off the boxing gloves" he's had them off since day one. One of his "best" strategies was wrongfully accusing the Clintons of racism, which sent terror and shivers down the spines of the press. Hillary has respected Obama, because he is another Democrat, and no one in the national media is talking about the Rezko scandal, but MCain surely will.

Obama has milked the issue of Iraq -- I wasn't there to vote, and even though I have supported the war since I entered the Senate -- Hillary voted for the war and I didn't. Obama uses the rules of "Advertising and Marketing" very effectively. One advertising trick is that if someone is told something at least 8x's they will start to believe it. Obama's themes are getting old, and people are waking up from his doom and gloom messages, which end on the high note, that have no fear Obama is here.

Obama may continue to win States where the Black population is large -- and voting in a block -- but when it comes to the general election, the themes that have seemed impressive about Obama will have lost their luster and Obama will be seen for who he is -- No different than the Status Quo, he is a hawk, with a brilliant press agent, and a scandalous relationship with a fundraiser for his campaign who is on trial and also fund raiser for President Bush.

I s that change we can believe in? I think not. People have woken up and people are more impressed with Hillary than ever before for the strenth and grace under fire that she has shown in this race.

Hillary can face McCain and win. They are both experienced and highly respected. Obama is falling flat and I feel he should return to the Senate and prove in real deads and accomplishments that he has the experience, patience. good judgment and ability to be President of the USA. This is not a football game or the lottery, and McCain will pull no punches with Obama.

The latest Obama Campaign driven Hillary Clinton Smear is that the Clintons are a “Death Quad”. At 46, Obama is not really a youngster but many of the Parrots singing his tunes on the web are. Really, Give me a break. When is the press going to call Obama out on all this BS. Give me a break. This “hit squad thing” is being advanced all over yahoo, and it’s Obama’s way of getting national media attention away from the real scandal, which is not going away anytime soon which is his close connection with Rezko.

Many of these young Obama supporters have never believed in anything, and don’t know anything about the Clintons so in their minds Bill Clinton never did anything to help the USA economy (I like to remember he took over the biggest deficit in history at that time, and left office with a surplus for Bush, jr. to inherit and squander); they say the only thing Hillary has ever done is be Bill Clinton’s Wife (Forget her 8 years in the Senate Obama didn’t mention that in his playbook that they follow); and that Hillary is just a lier. The sad part is Obama has them believing this because they don’t know what the reality is.

I hope the press will start to really scrutinize all this, and that Democrats elect Hillary. Obama will never defeat McCain, and I have faith that Hillary will deliver the changes Americans want and deserve.

Hussein Obama is like Hitler. He lies and appeals to the stupid masses. It would be a disgrace to our country to have him even near the white house.

Clintons' dream ticket is America's nightmare ticket.

We don't want a Clinton anywhere near the White House.

She is a monster

To Jacksmith - You need to check your "facts". Nothing in your posting is correct and you know it. Please don't take all of the other posters or readers of this message board to be so naive or stupid that they will automatically believe the garbage you just wrote. It is not accurate one little bit and the true facts are so easy to locate. Give it up. You are wasting our time using distorted and untrue statements.

And Alyce Rocco, kudos to you for mentioning the Peter Paul lawsuit. Anyone reading these posts would be well advised to read about this lawsuit (just Google it) and check out the two Peter Paul videos on YouTube, that make it clear as to what both of the Clintons have been involved in and then lie about.

Re: Ready but Not Ready

Rendell, a good man, must navigate his way between the shoals of Clinton tactics.

From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-obama-can-win.html

"Saturday, March 08, 2008
How Obama Can Win and Win Strong

I am aware of the delegate math.

I know that, unless the Clinton team runs roughshod with regard to superdelegates, the numbers are unassailable.

However, for Obama to not only win, but to win strong, and thus to be in the best position for the general, he must step outside of the box created when Clinton tactics were applied to his own admirable stance.

By declaring himself the candidate of the new politics, putting the politics of Rove et al. aside for a politics of honesty, straight-forward decency, and strength, he has putatively left the field open for Clinton et al. to lob innuendo after innuendo. If he responds, he is in violation of his commitment to the new; if he continues with his current path of non-response, he will be taken down by a series of attacks, that however false or fantastic, will eventually raises doubts in the mind of the electorate as to the validity of his new politics, and will, in the great viscera of the electorate, so responsive and so easily changed, appear "weak."

If he attacks, it is said, he betrays himself; if he continues on the same path, he is whittled down by rumor and insinuation.

Clinton's current strength is her ability to attack, however true the nature and content of the attacks. Obama must turn this very behavior into its own negative. To do so, Obama must relentlessly name what she is doing and anchor it--calling for an "end to the era of 'kitchen sink' politics, i.e.:

"It's about time that we left the era of "kitchen sink" politics, of distortion and insinuation, behind us. We have all seen it before this--a period where it was often difficult to tell falsehood, rumor, and misinformation from truth. It was this type of politics that contributed to a war in which we have lost the best of our national treasure, our nation's men and women. It is this type of politics that our opponents not so long ago decried. And it is this type of politics that, more than anything else, signals weakness--the inability to base one's statements and actions on the firm ground of truth, on our collective and honest dedication to the construction of a new and positive future--and instead, on a retreat into the politics of personal destruction.

It's time to take out the dirty dishes; It's time to empty the kitchen sink. After an era where it was often difficult to distinguish fantasy from truth, it's time to put that era behind us, to base our future efforts on a strong and honest desire to build a new and better future."

What Obama can create is his own "There you go again" moment--one that will both define Clinton (after all, someone has to do it), and place the Clinton camp in their very own box, of their own making: A box where any attack will immediately be associated in the voter's mind, and will be accompanied by a roll of the voter's eyes, as another example of Clinton's "kitchen sink" politics--of the chaotic, inconsistent, contradictory and frantic willingness to say or do anything to be elected, be it the changing of one's personality, tone, degree of honesty--or one's degree of tolerance or gusto for the politics of personal destruction.

Without a single attack, this demonstrates the nature of the Clinton camp: in a moment of crisis, and in danger of loss, rather than respond with strength, principle and authority, they throw the "kitchen sink" at the issue, abandoning principles and frantically strewing innuendo as they do so.

With powerful moral force, it names exactly what the Clinton camp is doing, and anchors it both to the politics of the past Administration, and to the very political tactics that Clinton herself has denounced and disavowed. It provides direct evidence--thus far, the only direct evidence--of how a Clinton Administration would likely govern in times of chaos, crisis, and other "3 a.m. moments" (thus disempowering her already shaky claims to superior foreign policy judgment): With a "kitchen sink" approach of tumultuous, changing, disorganized and contradictory attack, rather than with consistent purpose and moral authorit