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Posted March 4, 2008 1:59 PM
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Sen. John McCain speaks at the Armadillo Palace in Houston Texas, March 4, 2008. (Photo: TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images)

by Jill Zuckman

There is new evidence that the widely panned New York Times investigation into Sen. John McCain was a flop – not just with political insiders but with the public at large.

A poll by the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg Election Survey showed that two-thirds of the country’s adults have heard about the article and twice as many people believe McCain’s denunciation than believe the New York Times.

The article, which ran last month, suggested that McCain had a romantic relationship with a female lobbyist that benefited her clients before the Commerce Committee, which he chaired. McCain’s campaign pushed back hard against the story, saying it was false.

“More Americans believed Sen. John McCain’s explanation than believed the allegations reported in The New York Times story,” said Kate Kenski, a senior analyst for the survey and a professor of communication at the University of Arizona. “Republicans were over nine times as likely to report believing Sen. McCain as believing the New York Times. Independents were about twice as likely to say that they believed Sen. McCain as report believing the allegations in the Times.”

According to the study, the only groups likely to believe the newspaper were African Americans, Democrats and liberals. Conservative Republicans believed McCain by 65.5 percent compared to 6.3 percent who believed the newspaper.

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YAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN.

Old news.

Let's talk about Hagee instead.


RE: The recent BS McCain has been spouting about "surrendering in Iraq."

Sir, you are INSANE! After eight years of Bush, I am still astounded by the audacity of your talk. You speak a hard game on lobbyists, yet you are in bed with them, literally and figuratively. You talk of experience in foreign policy, yet is it obvious to the vast majority of this country that you have been wrong on the single greatest foreign policy disaster of my generation.

Yet you want to push your flawed line of logic like crap with a broom. Until this whole damn election stinks. Well, let me enlighten you right here and now.

YOU WILL LOSE!


America has moved past the smoke and mirrors that was the Iraq war. But here you are, still wearing a magicians cape, looking like a damned fool. We are no longer going to shoulder this political hobbyist's war with the bodies of our friends and family.

When I watch you and your rightwing Neocon cohorts smile while you talk about Iraq and possible commitment for a 100 more years, I feel ashamed to be an American. Ashamed to know people like you have held the reins for so long.

Right now, I have friends over there. I care very deeply about these people. And yet you smile when you talk about endangering their lives indefinitely. Just so we can defend a country from itself, after attacking it for no good reason. You, a man who served and suffered in uniform. It's beyond tragic.

This year, your words and your arse will get handed to you. Your lies will not infect the electorate, and you will only appear in history books as a footnote. This legacy, this ball and chain of a war you have associated yourself with was, is and will always be considered a mistake by those who look objectively upon it.

YOU WILL LOSE!


Elisabeth Bumiller at the New York Times had a scathing article yesterday on the "inconsistencies" in Senator John McCain's voting record and his current positions:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/us/politics/03mccain.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1204549929-2hNGEwLHgpUz3rr1CGq56w


WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain likes to present himself as the candidate of the "Straight Talk Express" who does not pander to voters or change his positions with the political breeze. But the fine print of his record in the Senate indicates that he has been a lot less consistent on some of his signature issues than he has presented himself to be so far in his presidential campaign.

Mr. McCain, who derided his onetime Republican competitor Mitt Romney for his political mutability, has himself meandered over the years from position to position on some topics, particularly as he has tried to court the conservatives who have long distrusted him. His most striking turnaround has been on the Bush tax cuts, which he voted against twice but now wants to make permanent. Mr. McCain has also expressed varying positions on immigration, torture, abortion and Donald H. Rumsfeld, the former defense secretary.

The article points out that McCain has reversed course on several key issues as he has tried to gain the support of the Republican base. To summarize the article:

On tax cuts...

In 2001, McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts, saying "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief." He also voted against additional tax cuts in 2003, later saying that "I just thought it was too tilted to the wealthy, and I still do."
Today, McCain wants to make those tax cuts permanent.


On immigration...

In 2005, McCain supported comprehensive immigration reform, which included a pathway to citizenship.
Now, he claims that "if his original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, he would not vote for it."


On abortion and Roe v. Wade...

In 1999, McCain said that he would not support overturning Roe v. Wafe "int he sort term, or even the long term," because that would "force X number of women in America" to undergo "illegal and dangerous operations."
Today, McCain has campaigned on overturning Roe v. Wade.


On his revisionist history regarding Donald Rumsfeld...

In 2004, McCain refused to call for Rumsfeld's resignation, saying that Bush "can have the team around him that he wants around him." In 2006, retired generals called for Rumseld's resignation, but McCain did not.
Now, while running for president, McCain has claimed that "I’m the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go." The article notes that "[t]he campaign has since acknowledged that Mr. McCain was incorrect, and more recently the senator has stopped short of claiming he called for the defense secretary’s ouster."


On torture...

McCain has traditionally been against torture, citing his experience as a POW for his decision.
Now, McCain voted last month "against a bill that would require the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the restrictions on interrogating prisoners outlined in the Army Field Manual."


In his decades in office, McCain has an average party unity score in the low 80s. Since he has campaigned for president, his party unity score has skyrocketed (link, link).

2005: 81%
2006: 76%
2007: 90%
It's refreshing to see members of the press taking a closer look at John McCain's disparate record instead of taking his "maverickness" at face value. And while it was expected that McCain would pander to the right to get the GOP nomination, the sharp turns on the "Straight Talk Express" listed above are sure to be a problem for him in the general election.


There's alot of truth to the story about John McCain/Bush and I hear there's still more to come...
I'm so glad that Senator McDoublespeak came out and flatly denied EVERYTHING.


John McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, and yet McCain said "I'm the only Presidential candidate the special interests don't give any money to."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gEROVh8zK4


Get off the "Double-talk" express John McCain/Bush, America has already had enough of that crap after living through the last 7 years of the Bush/Cheney dictatorship.


The thrust of the article was never meant to be that he had an affair with that lobbyist. It was that has extremely cozy relationships with lobbyists and his staffers became nervous that his closeness would lead him to trouble and he would lose his Washington "outsider" bio the so-called "liberal media" has created for him. The proof is in the fact that The Washington Post and others came out with the same story on his close relationship with lobbyists, i.e. gifts, being flown around the country on corporate jets and not properly disclosing this and reimbursing for the cost of the flight, etc. This man is not is clean as he believes he is nor as clean as the myth the so-called "liberal media" has created for him.


The public voted for George W. Bush, not once but twice so I have no doubt they would form an opinion without reading the Washington Post article.


Considering that many people still believe the 9/11 terrorists were from Iraq, I wouldn't put much in to it.


According to the cited poll, Independents by a better than 2-1 margin believe McCain rather than the NY Times.

After this NY Times partisan smear, is it any wonder the American public doesn't believe the press is truthful about anything?


"THE CHAIRMAN SPEAKS"

"I DON'T RECALL" AT 3AM WHO CALLED ME.

"I DON'T RECALL" AT 3AM WHO WAS ON THE LEAR JET.

"I DON'T RECALL MEETING WITH THE "CHAIRMAN OF THE FCC"

"I DON'T RECALL" AT 3AM WHAT CEO IS WHAT CEO FOR WHAT COMPANY THAT IS LOBBYING FOR MY "PUBLIC SERVICE"

"I DON'T RECALL" AT 3AM SAYING I WOULD ONLY USE "PUBLIC FINANCING"

"I DON'T RECALL" AT 3AM ACCEPTING 20,000 FROM A LOBBYIST IN THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARENA.

"JUST LIKE AMERICA DOESN'T RECALL THE LAST LAW BROKEN BY A GOP MEMBER IN THE 107TH, 108TH AND 109TH AND NOW THE 110TH CONGRESS.

"WE ALL DON'T RECALL"

AND IT R E N Z I NOT
R E Z K O! GET IT RIGHT AMERICA AT 3AM, 4AM, 5AM, 9AM OR ON OR BEFORE SEPTEMBER THE 11THS OF EACH YEAR.

"FROM THE STRAIGHT TALK, SHOOT STRAIGHT EXPRESS TRAIN R E N Z I"


Big shock, the attacks on McCain have failed miserably. Like I said, all this means is the next time the NY Times announces layoffs the average American will applaud rather than lament it.


What's not to believe?

That he's very close to lobbyists? Proven fact.

That he does favors for lobbyists? Proven fact.

That he has committed adultery? Proven fact.

He's done all of those things in the past, there is no reason to doubt that he would continue to do them.


Considering that many people still believe the 9/11 terrorists were from Iraq,
Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | March 4, 2008 2:55 PM

I would consider believing bill "hussein" if he could prove it ...but as usual bill "Hussein" won't be able ...all talk and nothing to back it up. We'll be waiting for your "proof" bill "Hussein"


Now that he has that behind him he can continue to build his campaign around Bush's Iraq war policy, and Bush's Social Security plan.


The thing that really stinks about this Times story is that they sat on it for three months, endorsed him for the GOP nominee in the interim, and then release it after he is all but certain to be the nominee. Sort of like trying to set him up then knock him down.


"PEOPLE IN AMERICA SPEAK"

He couldn't be lying. He couldn't of had unprofessional relations with "that woman."

John McCain didn't cost american taxpayers 3.5 billion dollars in the biggest S&L SCAM of our time.

John McCain didn't sit down with the telecommunications companies and the FCC and take down "MA BELL" as we know it.

John McCain didn't campaign for campaign reforms to not flip flop later. He is a man of his words!

John McCain didn't do squat for you or me!

John McCain isn't the only war veteran that was captured, tortured, shot, mamed, killed, in VIETNAM.

and "VICKI" isn't his name!

So we all know the NYT story was correct and will be adjudicated when a woman recollects her evenings, and a CEO recollects his 20,000 checks he wrote in order for John McCAin to show his true honesty to the PRESIDENCY OF THESE UNITED STATES!

Give me a joke America, if it was "OBAMA" OR "HILLARY CLINTON" THE NYT COULD NEVER BE WRONG! IT WOULD BE AN OJ TRIAL WITHOUT THE JURY!

'THE CHAIRMAN' definitely would answer the phone at 3am if it was "VICKIE" ON THE OTHER END OF THAT EAVESDROPPED AT&T WIRELESS PHONE CALL FROM A LEAR JET'


To ankle biter Don B....what "proof" would you like?


Check out "Michael"'s post for a look into the addled mind of the modern liberal. Sadly, this is the same type of idiot thinking that doomed the Times. Ben Bradlee would've thrown this "evidence" back in the faces of Woodward and Bernstein and said "come back to me when you have a story."

What Michael and the Times have is conjecture, rumor and innuendo masquerading as fact. Pathetic.

Also, it's funny to hear Obama supporters complain that McCain has ties to lobbyists. Obama has just as long and insidious a list of ties to lobbyists for ComEd and other big businesses. The only difference is McCain fully discloses and admits his lobbyist relationships while Obama lies that he doesn't accept lobbyist money (he takes it from their wives and law partners) and says they don't work on his campaign when 9 federal lobbyists are on his campaign payroll.


I would consider believing bill "hussein" if he could prove it ...but as usual bill "Hussein" won't be able ...all talk and nothing to back it up. We'll be waiting for your "proof" bill "Hussein"

Posted by: Don B. | March 4, 2008 3:10 PM


Don Bin Laden,

Since when have you EVER been able to back up any of your insane "attacks" on Obama? you know, the one's that you read about in the National Enquirer....

You make Paulo look like a rocket scientist, that little lizard brain of yours is about as useless as the Republic Party that you cheerlead for is.


Obama has just as long and insidious a list of ties to lobbyists for ComEd and other big businesses. The only difference is McCain fully discloses and admits his lobbyist relationships while Obama lies that he doesn't accept lobbyist money (he takes it from their wives and law partners) and says they don't work on his campaign when 9 federal lobbyists are on his campaign payroll.

Posted by: Jeff | March 4, 2008 3:33 PM


College Republican Jeff,

McCain calls himself the only Presidential candidate who isn't beholden to lobbyists and yet he has 52 lobbyists (compared to 9 for Obama) working for his campaign and one of his lobbyist's does his business out of the back of McCain's "straight-talk express" bus.

John McCain = Hypocrisy at it's worst!

PS - Jeff, since you're of age we're still waiting for you to stroll on down to the military recruiters office and sign up for McCain's 100 years of war on Iraq plan, I mean it's the least you can do since you are in the tank for him and he want's to send millions of more young Americans to their death for a pre-emptive war that should never have happened in the first place..


But Jeff, many if not most of the laid off NY Times had nothing to do with this article.


Jeff,
What about the Washington Post article? You never mention any of the information revealed in that. It's like your trying to focus all of our attention on the NY Times so we forget there were other articles.


It isn't the possibility that John McCain would be in the position to answer the phone that's so scary, but it's the prospect that the caller would tell John "Hey buddy, we got somebody else for you to follow to the gates of hell!!"


..what "proof" would you like?

Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | March 4, 2008 3:22 PM


Bill "Hussein"" Obviously your not able to back up your statement , you can go hide under your desk again until you get another thought bill


Jeff:

The difference is McCain is supposed to be Mr. Independent. Doesn't do what the lobbyists want. And when has he "admitted" his lobbyist ties??

So why does he have 59 of them on his staff??


Don B:

Regarding 9/11 terrorists:

Two words for you: Dick Cheney. He STILL thinks that Saddam was behind 9/11.


Who is that old turd in that picture? He's blocking the view of that magnificent beast (no I'm not talking about Mike Huckabee's wife). Seriously lay that old man in a casket.


Who is that old turd in that picture? He's blocking the view of that magnificent beast (no I'm not talking about Mike Huckabee's wife). Seriously lay that old man in a casket.


Move on folks; sex in the city belongs to Willy and it was not Monica who made him do it. Will be tight race today for Obama and the Village; she the overzealout lib with many faces and he, glib with remarks that he will do everything better than...whoever. However, it is McCaine who will be President! And although not perfect, he'll do fine. Would love to see C Rice as his VP; she is so qualified. What a team they would be. America needs common sense values ensconsed. As a person and American, I am weary of being told I am at risk and need another blue pill and when to put out the trash. The fervoured mania of liberals is to institutionalize and force socialism down our throats. Enough is too much already. Cut the whining and get to it; live life with zest and compassion but don't let the Pied Piper lead you astray. Never to old to dream and vote for the right person and that is McCaine! You have to choose among the horses in the race and that's how it is and what is really best for all of America and its multi-cultered Americans, which makes Americans, simple put, beautiful. Forget the bashing and concentrate on what is best for America. Now and always.


To John Hussein E., when have you ever backed up anything with fact? And weren't you the liar who said you had a son in Iraq and that you were being sent there more than a year ago?

You weirdo, Loony Hussein Leftists can't fathom truths. The fact that the NY Lying Times, a "newspaper" with worse journalism standards than Star magazine, has been caught AGAIN in BS journalism and that most Americans realize this, scares you loons. The fact that more and more Americans are on to the corrupt journalists and the newspapers and networkd newscasts they work for bothers you folks. That shows in the posts here from the Loony Hussein Leftists. You folks are becoming even more unhinged than you already are!!


I'm sorry...I will type slower for you...WHAT PROOF WOULD YOU LIKE?


Lou:

Try spelling your candidate's name correctly. And don't forget he wants to bomb Iran for no particular reason.


it is McCaine who will be President!
Posted by: Lou | March 4, 2008 4:18 PM

Spelling really doesn't matter to me, but, if your going to sing his praise...you should know how to spell McCains' name


Jeff which of those things do you deny?

Close to lobbyists? Dozens work on his campaign, including his campaign manager.

McCain does favors for Lobbyists? Remember the Keating 5 where McCain was found his conduct was questionable for intervening for Charles Keating.

And that without even going into his telecom lobby favors.

Adultery? Remember that he cheated on his previous disabled wife with his current wife.

It's all true Jeff. You can give the rightous indignation a rest. It is you who is twisting the truth.

It's too bad John McCain doesn't believe this anymore:

"The fact is if you want to drain the swamp, you take the big money away from the big-time K Street lobbyists and that way they lose their power and their influence. Look, anybody who wants the status quo in Washington, they don’t want John McCain. Because there ain’t going to be the status quo when I’m president of the United States. You take away the big money, you’re going to take away their power and you’re going to break that iron triangle of lobbyists, big money and influence over the legislative process which has so badly embarrassed so many of us and it is the gateway to draining the swamp"

McCain's all for the Iron triangle now.


So here's the way it's going to work from here on out: When the press reports something about McCain, we are supposed to believe it, even if McCain denies it. But if the press reports something about Obama, and Obama then says it is not true, we're supposed to believe Obama. Got it? Just want to make sure everyone's clear.


Presidential wannabe John McCain/Bush just offended another huge American voting block.


McCain certainly is lacking in the intelligence dept.

"In his struggle to shore up his base, John McCain has once again cast aside his principles by embracing Rev. John Hagee, saying he was "pleased to have the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee," despite his intolerant comments about Catholics, women, African Americans, Muslims and LGBT Americans. He repeated his support today, saying "I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people…I am not endorsing some of their positions." [McCain Media Availability, 2/29/08

-full story
http://www.democrats.org/a/2008/02/john_mccain_sho.php


That shows in the posts here from the Loony Hussein Leftists. You folks are becoming even more unhinged than you already are!!

Posted by: John D | March 4, 2008 4:25 PM


Look everyone, it's John D, and he's calling himself the "thinking man's Republican"

Get back in your box Mr French Mime!


Yeah, JB. Apparently, that's it. Oh, and especially if it's the "esteemed" NY Times, we're supposed to believe it and never question. Why would anyone question the media when they're so fair-minded, unbiased and objective in their reporting. :-)


John Hussein E, you are certainly lacking in the intelligence department also since that link you were nice enough to add is a "democrats".org site. Are they still throwing out garbage to anyone ignorant enough to listen?


Two words for you: Dick Cheney. He STILL thinks that Saddam was behind 9/11.

Posted by: BobinATL | March 4, 2008 4:09 PM

Yeah I'm sure your right Bobin ATL. Perhaps you can cite the source of your information...like i did yesterday with you on the New York Observer !


All of a sudden , out comes Don B. seeker of truth as he links the name Hussein to terrorists and ipso facto...Obama. Not only that..he knows of a "mole" who will snatch victory from Obama. Please name your "secret squirrel" who will break wide open this election. He rants about Rezko...because he "already" knows the story. If I'm not mistaken, he was also one to project a huge win for the republicans last time. Good luck with all those varmits you have connections with, Dr. Dolittle.


Lou spelled McCain wrongly. So am correcting. All else stands regardless of my spellings. I only went to the third grade and found out that the moreorless self-assumed educated moron next to me would point the way. Kinda like the media and socialistic standards. My way or else. Well, I'm an Independent and I am going to vote for John McCain with reason. I'd guess his pimples on his back aren't any uglier than those of the libs. And, I am voting with conscience for myself, my children, my grandchildren, and you and yours. Better RED than DEAD is NOT and I repeat NOT my motto. 9 - 11 - 2001 happened. Hey, it really did. And terrorism is real. Hugging your tree and overtaxing are not to my way of thinking or living. I like trees; I just happen to like people and their being safe a lot more. And, I'd guess that John will not bomb Iran without a reason. Get realities straight and in order along with priorities. Forgive my spelling if you should find an incorrect verb or whatever. Being a lazy speller makes me what? Lax and lazy not dumb or knowing that McCaine/McCain is the guy we need for President. I'd guess it really gave someone an opportunity to throw me a curve. Happened to notice that I am not the only one who has spelled incorrectly here or voiced things grammatically perfect. Oh well. But, gee whiz. Hey, anyway. Got it. McCain is my choice. For many many reasons. Those two other idealistic libs carrying on are not what America needs. Communism is so close to socialism that the swill once swollen is economic carnage; but when it creeps up on one and one signs onto it willingly, I'd guess the drowning soul would still stay a lib but keep on whining. America was not built on liberalism as we have come to know it. So whatever the icing looks like upon the cake, I don't want it. And, America does not need it. Voting for McCain! Standing true to America and it's stance on freedom, etc.


John Hussein E, you are certainly lacking in the intelligence department also since that link you were nice enough to add is a "democrats".org site. Are they still throwing out garbage to anyone ignorant enough to listen?

Posted by: coroner | March 4, 2008 6:55 PM


Here ya go, Slick

Thanks for giving me that softball!


Contoversial San Antonio Evangelical pastor John Hagee has endorsed John McCain. Notice in Elisabeth Bumiller’s piece—she fails to bring up anything about Hagee’s core beliefs. I guess they are all the same to her.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/28/pastor-john-hagee-endorses-mccain-donohue-freaks-out/


I'd guess the drowning soul would still stay a lib but keep on whining. America was not built on liberalism as we have come to know it. So whatever the icing looks like upon the cake, I don't want it. And, America does not need it. Voting for McCain! Standing true to America and it's stance on freedom, etc.

Posted by: Lou | March 4, 2008 7:59 PM


Whew!!!

Lou Doo, you are the parody of the average Republican bird brain that even I couldn't make up, thanks for stopping by and PLEASE keep posting.


Lou...your taking this way to hard. Spelling is over-rated.



More reasons NOT to vote for Obama.....

5) Wants to bomb our ALLY.
4) NAFTAgate.
3) REZKO.
2) Friends with WEATHERMEN- -Bill and Bernadine Ayers.
1) Anyone JohnE. and billr. support are losers!

Paulo


Hey Paulo, you know that Bush DID bomb our ALLY last week don't you?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/29/ST2008022901364.html


The Republicans can't lose. It is so easy to see what is going to happen. Obama will have the most delegates going into the convention. The political bosses will rob him of the nomination. Clinton having played the race card, using pictures that darken Obama's skin color, Farrakhan, his religion, every dirty trick she can think of will alienenate the African American vote. They will stay home or vote for McCain. In stealing the nomination she will cost the democrats the White House. The answer to who will answer the phone at 3:00 am will be... Monica Lewinsky.


Earth to Michael, EVERY politician uses lobbyists to one extent or another. As President Lincoln said "God must love lobbyists because he created so many of them."

Your attacks on McCain for having lobbyist ties ignore the fact that Obama has nine of them working for his national campaign. AGAIN, at least McCain doesn't lie about it like Obama does.

There's nothing particularly newsworthy about a national presidential campaign employing lobbyists. They've all done it.

Your vile attack on McCain for the ending of his first marriage (his ex-wife supports his presidential bid 100%) is less than classless. I hope you get dragged off to a Vietnamese prison and get tortured for five years and you can put your life back together exactly as it was before you left. Many people who went to that war couldn't, and they weren't even POWs. I guess BS is an important election issue to people like you, though, so we'll have to dig into everyone's background. Let's talk about how Obama did cocaine, Hillary's husband said he cheated on her because she's "so cold" and how Obama only recently stopped smoking (RJR has lobbyists, after all). This is your commitment to BS masquerading as issues.

Your other supposedly "true" statements are simply distortions.

Telecom industry favors? The NY Times doesn't have anything! Nor does the Washington Post. McCain telling the FCC to make a decision is not a favor. He was telling the commissioners to get on with it in a timely manner and not influencing policy either way. The legislature definitely has the power to tell the FCC to do its job without influencing what decision is made.

There was nothing to this story in 1999 and there's nothing now.

Your McCain quote is taken entirely out of context. Find me ONE earmark that McCain has placed as a favor to a lobbyist in his 20-year career. You can't. Everything he's ever asked for has been voted up or down by the entire House or Senate. That what he's talking about with the "iron triangle." There's no reason to believe that would change when he's president. Except for Tom Coburn, no one has fought harder against wasteful spending than McCain.

Does that mean you don't need lobbyists donating to and working on a presidential campaign? Of course not. Just ask Obama when he's not lying about the number of lobbyists working for him.


Other Husseins: every lobbyist donation and campaign work they did is in McCain's FEC filings. The Obama lobbyist donations are not. You have to scour their law offices to figure out which unregistered lobbyist is a law partner of a registered one. That's transparency, I guess.


Well, that is too bad.

It does demonstrate an important fact though.

McCain is a skilled liar.


Jeff-

Where habve I ever supported Obama's use of Lobbyists? Can't McCain make his own ethical decisions without refernce to others?

MvcCain never mentioned earmarks in the Iron Triangle speech because it was not limited to that issue. He's only limited his views on lobbyists to the issue of earmarks now that everyone sees what a raging hypocrite he is on the issue. Ther are plenty of ways that you can do favors for lobbyists beyond earmarks. His rhetoric is anti lobbyist while he surrounds himself with them.

By the way plenty of people,including you, have commented on both Obama's past drug use and the Clintons marriage in this campaign. Why are the less savory parts of McCains behaviour off limits for discussion? While I'm sure it was great that McCain got his life put back together, I'm sure his first wife, disabled in a horrible car accident while he was gone, would have liked to have too. Unfortunately her husband was more interested in hooking up with younger, hotter, richer women than helping her in her time of need.

I notice you skipped over the Keating 5 thing entirely. How convenient.


Jeff, I would never hope you are tortured, but I do hope some day you grow up and hget beyond your blind hero-worship and see that John McCain is a flawed man like any other.


Lou ?Doo? responds: Yep, I'm an average flawed Republican in skin who can't spell and is not overreacting and will continue to post. You too, brutus ~ keep on mouthing as you think you have all the answers and run the posts. Have a good one. Be sure to respond to this one; know you will. Or please do ignore and do everyone a favor esp me. This is not about YOU. It's about everyone's right to speak their minds as to whom they would like to have as President and not become personally challenged by opionions or the spelling of others. McCain for President! McCain for President.


Lou do and does have a voice and opinion as worthy as another's. And, here is another opine, my best: Vote for McCAIN and forget about being shackled with liberalism and all of its covenants that take away individualism and impede our economy. Short and sweet and to the point. And, nice knowing one is safe along the way.


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