Clinton: Obama 'elitist'

Pot......Kettle

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/04/hillary-clint-4.html#disqus_thread

Hillary is a LIAR - It's a PROVEN fact jsut click above. She will SAY anything and DO anything to get elected.

Hillary, you are.
Clinton has a problem with her association with "The Family", which believe the treasures should go to the Elite/rich Americans.

Hillary~~~stop spinning!!

I will vote only for Hillary. America needs to listen to Sean Hannity- he may be a republican but he is so right about this guy- he dosen't want to count Florida and Michigan any more than he wants to hear the voices of the heart America- The carpenters, the autoworkers, the steelworkers, the laborers, the people that work for a living- he isstarting to sound more and more like a republican for big business! If in Nov I must select from him or McCain I will vote for McCain and that is sad comming from a die hard democrat in small town America.

We perceive what we want to perceive based on our previously formed ideas and arrogance. There is another way of seeing, but Obama is showing us how he wants to see things. See:
http://christianprophecy.blogspot.com/

YEEH HILLARY!

Hey, it's all semantics, and we should be insulted that people who expect to become our leaders think we can be manipulated by spinning words. I'm proud to be bitter! Resilient, Clinton says... complacent, I say... no way. Let em eat lemons, McCain says? Let's elect a leader who wants to make lemons into lemonade.

BitterVoters.org

It also starts with respecting all of the Americans who vote in the primary process and not essentially sitting out what you believe are the little, inconsequential states because they either don't have enough delegates to be worthwhile, in your estimation, or won't be in the Democrat column come November.
“The people of faith I know don't "cling to" religion because they're bitter..." other way around Hillary--he said bitter people "cling to" religion. "Cling to" was poorly chosen, but the essence of what he said is true and if you don't believe that then, I'm sorry, you're out of touch. Although, I find it hard to believe that someone who has lived as First Lady of Arkansas, followed by First Lady of the US, and is currently a US Senator and whose family earned $100M since 2000 is "in touch" with the middle class. By my estimation, she hasn't been a member of the middle class since the 1970s.

What a joke--must work for Obama HQ--as that article about the Family was so bad the Nation wouldn't print it. but that's what we've got from the Obama camp---smears, cries of racism and worse.
Casey in PA was his worst mistake--hated ingrate the dems used to get rid of Rick Santorum. Caseys got a 3 million dollar printing contract from Obama for sister's "universal" print biz in Scranton (little chicago). Santorum stood up family of fallen U.S. Soldier--wanted to give the Iraqi war vet medals to fam--called a day ahead of big event to say he had to go campaign for Obama instead.
The comment was elitist. It casts people of a particular situation as 'the other'--isn't that what all the ism's do--racism, ageism, sexism, and now classism?
The headline here is misleading...I don't think she called obama elitist--just his comment.
But now, pandering to big corporate media, Obama gets their sympathy with the promise of more cash for the Israel trip.
Can it be more obvious?

Hillary is desparate; grasping at anything. It is fine for her to give her history and her beliefs but it is hard to see this anything other than an attack on Obama. Obama's comments were in answer to a question in which he tried to give a rational answer. Hillary's attack sounds just like a typical Republican talking point.

I see the Obama supporters are deflecting... a technique that Obama himself is well-accustomed.

This latest Obama blunder has given Hillary an excellent opportunity to restate her case in contrast to Obama's "words."

How well I remember that Obama once responded to Hillary that "words do matter." Heck, yeh.

Good job, Hillary.

Obama is right on time with his comments. It is Hillary Clinton and John McCain that are out of touch. The gap between the haves and the have nots have widened due to unethical business practices and politicians that write laws that allow the wealthy to steal. We are not sent a measley $300.00 to stimulate an economy that the wealthy has bankrupted while they sit back and seel million and billion dollar tax breaks and gov bail outs and hand outs. Barack Obama is right. We are angry and we are angry as hell.

Obama's way or no way is how he sees it....Course he does it on a million dollars a year while the rest of us get told we are " bitter "..Quit while you are ahead Obama. We are all tired of your lies and rhetoric....

It's funny to read about Hillary saying she will "fight" for the poor and middle class. If she's such a fighter for the working person, why is the unemployment so high in her district?

Here's what he really thinks:

“And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up- they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement— so, here’s what rich. Senator Clinton says ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’

“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain—it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed-up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.”

Hillary has been living in either the Governors Mansion in Arkansas, the White House or probably a multi-million dollar condo in New York for the last 25 years. She has had Secret Service protection for the last 16 years. In that time I doubt she has interacted with real people on a real level in that time. I used to see Obama around Chicago running errands and interacting with people on a real level.

And Hillary calls Obama out of touch? She hasn't been in touch with the public since 1983.

It is a shame, and big disappointment, that Senator Clinton can't find something critical to say about Senator McCain . Instead she chooses to tear down a fellow Democrat, Senator Obama. That is neither smart politics, nor Democratic politics and she wants to be President of the U.S. She better wise up, quick, if she hopes to succeed!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.

Funny deflection... referring to the Clinton's time (and salary) in Arkansas as large earners. According to Wikipedia [i]Clinton and Hillary Rodham .... salaries of $35,000...as Governor of Arkansas and $25,000 as Rose Law Firm associate, respectively.

donna--don't you see that this religion comment will only revive the Rev. Wright thing?
It's OVER!
Obama should have revealed all this to the Dems way ahead of time:
Look I got a problem with Rezko and public housing in Chicago, with sitting on my hands in the state house re: guns, with a wierd minister that's gonna sack our chances. CAN WE GET OUR MONEY AND TIME BACK FROM THE OBAMA CAMP?
It's not just elitist--it's bone-headed to defend this.
If he becomes political wallpaper for a while under the clinton's wing--he can survive this.
And if he listens to desperate people in his campaign who need to go get jobs in something other than politics for awhile--he can survive this by folding into the Clinton campaign.
Running to Israel to give big media and its lackeys a junket full of cashola won't help him.
IT WILL ONLY HELP MCCAIN.
Please, stop hurting America with this stupid campaign!

John Mellencamp - Small Town

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eDkAG3R0h8

Barack Obama 08!

Hillary is evolving into more and more of a champion for working and rural people in this campaign, and it is so wonderful to watch this happening.
I had a really hard time deciding between Edwards and Hillary in the beginning, because I believed that Edwards had the best policies when it came to labor issues, while Hillary had the best policies when it came to children and women's poverty. I have been impressed and inspired by how Hillary has taken up the banner for working class and rural people in this campaign, blending her own feelings about quality of life for all Americans to Edward's populism. This really is "the Voice" I always heard from Hillary, which though more subtle than Obama's Yes We Can and Change Change Change messages, seemed more genuine and substantial. It is so great to see her standing up for working Americans - giving them the respect that they deserve and making their perspectives heard.

How would Obama like it, if Hillary got up and said urban people are bitter and they cling to their churches more out of anger than community values? That was exactly the accusation he attempted to refute about his own church, but he feels free to disparage the churches of working rural people in this same way? I'm glad this urban elitism issue is coming out in this campaign. In fact, it is the key obstacle that Democrats face - just look at the 2000 and 2004 elections to see that. We've got to build a Dem party that includes rural and working class voices again. And Hillary is doing it.

Bravo to Hillary!! Thanks for giving voice to us all.

This is such a joke, if anyone here still thinks that any of the three Presidential candidates aren't rich "elitists" then you need to pull your head out of your backsides.

"Clintons made nearly $109M since 2000"

By JIM KUHNHENN and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
Fri Apr 4, 7:34 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Clinton made nearly $109 million since they left the White House, capitalizing on the world's interest in the former first couple and lucrative business ventures.

The Clintons reported $20.4 million in income for 2007 as they gave the public the most detailed look at their finances in eight years. Almost half the former first couple's money came from Bill Clinton's speeches.

The tax returns are a portrait in post-presidential success. The Clintons, who had lived in taxpayer-paid housing in the governor's mansion in Arkansas or the White House for years, left the presidency struggling with a legal defense fund stemming from a spate of investigations. They now are wealthy enough that she could lend her presidential campaign $5 million earlier this year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_taxes

Defending Obama's comments:

1. On bitterness in general: Barack is sincere. It sounds like he cannot help feeling the bitterness and devastation in those neglected steel mill towns and farms across Pennsylvania. He cares it deeply. To him, it is the direct result of failed policy and corruption of Washington for the past 25 years. That is why he strongly opposes NAFTA and reject the lobbyist money in Washington. Washington really needs to shed its corruption. Of all the politicians, Barack is the one who feels extremely responsible for it even though he only has a few years in Washington.
3. Economic policy that brings prosperity and cure “bitterness” : Both Clinton and Obama has similar economic recovery policies. The question is who can bring the changes long over due. Is it Obama who has the courage to say "bitterness" where there is bitterness or his opponents who cannot even feel bitterness or admit to it? For the record, this is the same guy who had courage and foresight to oppose the war from the first time. He promises to end the war, fight against poverty and bring prosperity back to Pennsylvania and the rest of the country.
4. On Religion: Pennsylvanians are religious people. Their strong belief in God provided inner strength for Pennsylvanians to cope with the bad times. God has been with them all through the tough times and frankly has done enough. What Pennsylvanians need and deserve is a good government. Barack indicated many times that he would like to regain American people’s trust in the Government. Pennsylvanians need help from Government too.
5. On Xenophobia and guns : Barack promise to bring change to Washington and bring back hope to American society. He said many times that he would create a society where working people earn respectable wages, can educate their kids, retire with dignity etc, a society where people are less afraid of each other and where guns become more associated with hunting than protection...

golden oldie:
I don't think she called Obama elitist. Listen to the tape again-as usual you are wrong.

But now, pandering to big corporate media, Obama gets their sympathy with the promise of more cash for the Israel trip.
Can it be more obvious?

Posted by: golden oldie | April 12, 2008 12:59 PM

MJ,
Your racism is showing again, you need to put a sock in your fake outrage because it's only making you look more like the racist tard that you really are.

They call McCain the "pander bear" in Arizona because he panders (lies) to the corporate media so much.

McCain's Marriage Is Key To His Fnances:

"Wife made millions in beer industry, keeps most assets in her name"

Sharon Theimer, Associated Press

Friday, April 4, 2008

(04-04) 04:00 PDT Washington --

"On a spring day last year at a speedway in the South, John McCain posed with his wife, Cindy, and racing star Dale Earnhardt Jr., highlighting the couple's political and business interests in a single snapshot".

"The Arizona senator served as honorary starter of the NASCAR race that weekend in Charlotte, N.C. Earnhardt drove the Budweiser car, painted military camouflage, rather than its trademark red, to honor the troops".

"Budweiser, then NASCAR's official beer, is brewed by Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc., whose products have made Cindy McCain and her family a fortune".

"The brewer sold toy replicas of its race car to aid the Special Operations Warrior Foundation and publicized its support for the group, on whose board John McCain served and whose chairman later endorsed him. The speedway appearance helped McCain court NASCAR voters, and his campaign circulated video of the event on the Internet".

"The McCains' marriage has mixed business and politics from the beginning, according to an expansive review by the Associated Press of thousands of pages of campaign, personal finance, real estate and property records nationwide. The paperwork chronicles the McCains' ascent from Arizona newlyweds to political power couple on the national stage".

"Worth $100 million-plus
As heiress to her father's stake in Hensley & Co. of Phoenix, Cindy McCain is an executive whose worth may exceed $100 million. Her beer earnings have afforded the GOP presidential nominee a wealthy lifestyle with a private jet and vacation homes at his disposal, and her connections helped him start his political career - even if the millions remain in her name alone. Yet the arm's-length distance between McCain and his wife's assets also has helped shield him from conflict-of-interest problems".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/04/MNKRVVATR.DTL

let's see ...... 110 million dollars in 8 years and they still needed 2 million more a year of taxpayer money for expenses.....

they have a daughter who makes six figures to do ????what ???? and then what does the daughter say about her job ???? she doesn't like her health insurance plan

who is the elitist ?????

Nelson, you're an idiot if you think a man who spent his childhood moving from military base to military base and spent five years in a POW camp after defending his country is any way "elitist" and certainly nowhere near Mr. Pennsyvlania's rural voters are bitter. Sheeple like you will give Obama a pass no matter what despite his pathetic record of giving back to charity and the elitist attitude that he and his wife continue to display in public comments.
As for Hillary I don't like her politics and I wasn't a supporter of her husband but I love her moxie. It's well past time that someone in her party called this jerk to the carpet. Tell him, Hill!

I did listen again, John A, thanks for the tip. I had to do some yoga, though, because all that twisting to see if my head was in the rude place brigette suggested kinda of hurt. (It wasn't).
But I wonder about Bob Casey's head, the Obama campaigns collective heads (oh! that's gonna hurt pulling outta there!)
Know what I remember (see, I been readin' those newspapers and politically involved for a LONG time, not just this election cycle cuz Oprah told me to be)
Hilary was opposed to a lot of the concessions nice guy Bill the uniter was with the Republicans.
We don't need a uniter.
We need a fighter.
A fighter like Hilary, who, even when she's fightin' she's unitin'
Unlike the messiah. When he's unitin' uh......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow&eurl=http://www.jedreport.com/

Go see him speak on this - he speaks the truth

And his response to Hillary was perfect

“We won’t be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton, who believes lobbyists represent real people and is awash in their money and who can’t tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana. She won’t change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will.”

donna--don't you see that this religion comment will only revive the Rev. Wright thing?
It's OVER!
IT WILL ONLY HELP MCCAIN.
Please, stop hurting America with this stupid campaign!

Posted by: golden oldie | April 12, 2008 1:15 PM

Donna,

"golden oldie" is actually "MJ" the GOPer cheerleader.

Don't listen to this blowhard, his usual postname here is "MJ" and he's in the tank for McCain and he's got a severe racism problem.

Clinging To The Truth

"If I were to mock religious belief as childish, if I were to suggest that worshiping a supernatural deity, convinced that it cares about your welfare, is like worrying about monsters in the closet who find you tasty enough to eat, if I were to describe God as our creation, likening him to a mechanical gorilla, I'd violate the norms of civility and religious correctness. I'd be excoriated as an example of the cynical, liberal elite responsible for America's moral decline. I'd be pitied for my spiritual blindness; some people would try to enlighten and convert me. I'd receive hate mail. Atheists generate about as much sympathy as pedophiles. But, while pedophilia may at least be characterized as a disease, atheism is a choice, a willful rejection of beliefs to which vast majorities of people cling." Wendy Kaminer, Avowed Aethist; Author of 'The Last Taboo' - 1996

"Truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resist it; ignorance may deride it; malice may distort it; but there it is." - Winston Churchill

"I am the way and the truth and the life." - Jesus Christ

To Mr. Obama: I like to 'cling' to the truth.

To Ms. Clinton: See the above.

the sad thing is... what he said was so true. At least he had the guts to say it.

Posted by: John E | April 12, 2008 1:53 PM

golden oldie,

"John E" is actually "Donna" the MessianicNationalCommittee cheerleader.

Don't listen to this blow hard, his usual post name here is "Donna" and he's in the tank for Obama and he's got a severe ageism problem.

I support McCain? Not in this lifetime--and no I ain't MJ--but because the Obamites use McCarthyistic tactics, I can't use my real name.
They'd try to get me fired from my job--they're a vicious lot in that campaign.
Hope you never have to find that out, John E.
And, yes, if McCain gets in, the SPOILER label will hang around Obama's head and all those in charge of this ham-handed campaign of racism, ageism, and sexism. It's republican lite, this campaign.
but, I digress. Onto real issues.
After Nixon 'opened' china--it was George bush Senior's brother and Nixon's brother who did the first 'deals' with that government. so it's a republican thing. that's where the blame lies. and Hilary pulled out of Walmart before Sam Walton died and the company went psycho on us. Not so with Michelle.
remember, obamites--when you point one finger--there's 4 others pointing back at you.
That's why it was stupid to go negative about Hilary.
Particularly since, if you'd been reading newspapers the past 20 years you'd have known that Hilary was the more 'left' of the two.
That's why she's sound more and more like my guy John Edwards all the time. (Won't he make a great attorney general in the HRC administration?)
Now about NAFTA--even Obama endorser John Kerry's said that nobody counted on the extreme corporate greed to turn that piece of legislation into the weapon against the middle class it's become. the problem is corporate greed.
Look--we HRC supporters are no more the enemy of Obama than we were when Obama allowed the corporate media to marginalize Edwards (and Obama shoulda folded into Edwards campaign and then Hilary coulda been Senate speaker and we all woulda been better off).
I'm not your enemy.
cut it out.
Stop hurting America by continuing this campaign and bashing and libeling HRC supporters with your crap.
IT'S OVER. Unless you want to say President Mccain in the fall. All or nothing? I hope not.

I think the voters will sooner realized that Hillary Clinton and John McCain are only trying to exploit the whole thing.

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Don't listen to this blow hard, his usual post name here is "Donna" and he's in the tank for Obama and he's got a severe ageism problem.

Posted by: John Z | April 12, 2008 2:06 PM

Nice try "MJ" aka "golden oldie"

There can be a big difference between religion and "God". "God" can't be used.

People clinging to their guns? You've taken my job and my chance for the American Dream...try to take more and you'll be looking at my gun.

Hillary calling Obama and elitist is just plain hysterical. She did her boomerang insult thing again. Yes, Don Fitzgerald, why is she not zeroing in on McCain? Could it be that she knows that she's not getting the nomination, so she's gearing up to be McCain's running mate?

Stop hurting America by continuing this campaign and bashing and libeling HRC supporters with your crap.
IT'S OVER. Unless you want to say President Mccain in the fall. All or nothing? I hope not.

Posted by: golden oldie | April 12, 2008 2:07 PM

You're a liar and your real post name here is "MJ" and you're in the tank for McCain and the GOPer's....but I have to admit it's fun watching you invent new post names as you try to dig yourself out of the hole you've dug for yourself.

Ken--I'm not going to log on there--might be more anti-HRC porno clogging up my stuff.
Look--HRC aren't exploiting anything.
Politics ain't tiddly winks.
And Obama created this mess his own self.
Stop whining.

It's nice to see that Hillary is still running her campaign with so much integrity....NOT!!!

After finding out that Hillary actually supported NAFTA and that her head campaign flunkie, Mark Penn, and her husband, Bill, were working trade deals on the side with Colombia while Hillary is out claiming that she opposes these issues, now I'm supposed to believe that Obama is an out of touch elitist?

Yeah right:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_taxes

Obama listens and he analyses and empathizes. It's what he's best at doing, which is why he will make such a great president. He is the OPPOSITE of elite! He reaches out to understand and communicate with those who disagree or view him as different. He's also really a master at turning attacks against him into his own strengths. It's amazing to watch and learn from him. Hillary takes the Karl Rove path and McCain follows her lead, while Barack Obama raises the level of discourse, showing respect for the intelligence of the American people, while giving them lots of information that the formerly free press refuses to provide.

I was born and raised in rural Pennsylvania. The small town I grew up in had one stop light and after a fire closed the mine that employed most of the men in the community when I was 10 it has increasingly lost population. The America I know and grew up in may cling to guns and religion, but it sure as hell isn't out of bitterness. No, my small town America clings to guns and religion because of tradition. It's the way we were 'raised. We are a self-reliant folk. We don't look to, nor do we expect, the government to coddle us or solve every problem that some liberal elitist politician can identify. Actually, like President Reagan, we tend to think government is more often the problem. The more we can keep the government out of lives, the better off we are.
That anyone could justify Obama's remarks by saying that it's true the steel mills and mines aren't coming back is to completely misunderstand rural people. We've known that for a long time. Many of us have adapted and kept our positive outlook. It's rather our faith and self-reliance that have sustained us through the hard times rather than made us "bitter." That girl sitting next to you at work might be wearing a Pittsburgh. Steelers t-shirt under that business suit. Maybe even the person sipping a latte next to you at your latest Obama fundraiser went to Catholic school and believes in the second amendment. And believe me, when you say that Obama was "right" that small town people are bitter all you're doing is driving another nail into the coffin as legions of people that were willing to listen to him will realize that he's just another elitist hack politician who is not interested in listening to them but rather only interested in tricking and using them.

Let me get this out of the way out front: by every measure, people are free to consider me part of the "elite." My wife and I make substantial income, live in a nice house, buying an even nicer one, drive nice cars, hold good jobs with pensions and health care paid for, are overeducated, hold positions of respect and power within our communities, etc., etc. Hell, we even live near Washington, D.C., home field for the elite.

But you damn sure better never call me an "elitist."

Elitism, as defined by the American Heritage Dictionary, is the following:

"The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources"

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That ain't me. And neither is it Barack Obama.

I don't have any perceived superiority. I don't believe in favored treatment just because of my status. I feel damn lucky to be where I am. I work hard, just like lots of Americans. But not nearly as hard as some. Not nearly as hard, for instance, as the South Asian guy who runs my local 7-11 where I pick up my morning coffee. He's there every stinkin' day, managing that place, early morning to late evening. I once saw him in the grocery store with his FIVE small boys. I've gained a ton of respect for that man.

And I'm sure if Barack Obama met him, he would have a ton of respect too. Because Obama worked with folks like him in his community organizing days, when he didn't have to. Because Obama was raised by a single mom, without any particular inherent advantage, and received top notch schooling to get ahead. Because Obama personifies the damn American dream...that given an equal shot, we all can get ahead.

And let's not kid ourselves. That's what the American Dream is. Not "work hard, and you'll get ahead." I know plenty of people that work their asses off -- friends of mine -- and they can't get ahead. No, the dream is to have an equal shot to get ahead, and you too can make it.

And that equal shot is not forthcoming. And damn right people are bitter about it.

You want elitism? Try being married to an heiress to a beer distribution fortune and being stuck in the most exclusive club on earth inside the beltway for the past twenty years. THAT'S elitism.

You want elitism? Try making $109 million over the past six years and running for President by virtue of the fact that your husband has already been President. THAT'S elitism.

You want elitism? Try being a pundit that been ensconsed inside the ultimate insider world of Washington politics, and then poo-pooing telling the truth about the mood in the countryside as being "condescending." THAT'S elitism.

I have a news flash for all these elites...

YOU ARE PROJECTING.

You are projecting the fact that you are elitist yourself, knowing full well YOU are the ones out of touch with America. I mean, do you seriously want us to believe that the American public isn't pissed and bitter with our government when the public approval of all of our branches of government is at all time lows? Do you really want us to believe that the "resilient" American public is walking around with smiles on their faces thinking "happy days are here again"?

Of course, you, as the elite, are so far from a home foreclosure, a job loss, or taking your kids to Mickey Ds to feed your family that you would even know what it is like to be a "real American."

It reminds me recently of a party I had at my house, where my father-in-law, in his prime earning years and quite comfortable, was shocked to learn that two friends of mine in their early to mid-thirties, who work hard in service industries, had no 401ks, IRAs, or even benefits like health care. It was just assumed that they would. I knew they didn't, like a lot of my friends. But that's the benefit of real world "experience" beyond one's own bubble. And it's time for Washington to wake up.

Simply put, Obama's words were only condescending if you are an elitist.

To the rest of America, they are the TRUTH.

I've been an irritant in the primary wars, supporting Hillary all the way, I freely admit that. I despise the nature of the cat-calling, and conflation of things that mean nothing in final scheme of things.

But Barack's statement, and more importantly his response to the fawning McCain and Clinton campaigns as they spun to the PA electorate convinced me.

Obama's ready to stand and fight for what he believes in.

I might not always agree with exactly what it is, that which Barack Obama believes in, but I am sick to death of leaders who will not stand up for what they believe, especially Democrats. What I saw today shows me without a doubt this man has the self determination and pride to stand for what he thinks is right.

I've seen enough of the guy to realize he does offer a set of viewpoints that are closer to mine than John McCain's, easily and he has eclipsed Hillary Clinton because he has cut through the BS, and has let truth speak.

So I'm on board.

However, take note: I am not on the 'Bash Hillary' train though.

Hillary genuinely seems to believe Americans are too dumb to notice the 100 million dollars Bill rounded up on the global "lecture" circuit in exchange for future political favors.

She also seems to think no one notices that she gets most of her money from giant corporations.

Or that she voted for the credit card sponsored bankruptcy bill.

Who's elitist, now, exactly?

And, fellow Americans, are we going to indulge her? Are we as stupid as Hillary thinks we are?

Take off the Obama blinders and listen back to her speech, posted above.
It's brilliant.
It's the same statesmanlike painting of Petreus into the corner (I kind of got the feeling he wanted to be painted there) over the issue of bringing before CONGRESS any peace proposal.
Brilliant.
And, the Obama campaign, if it continues on after the PA defeat, needs to remember:
Don't call rural people who want immigration laws enforced racist. There's nothing to be gain from that.
The legal action should be put on the back of the Walmarts who hire illegal polish immigrants to clean their stores, and the 'greek' diners in the middle of nowhere who hire illegals to run things (and the local newspapers who ignore these stories).
Most of the people hiring illegals put their money into republican campaign coffers.
The HRC supporters are not republicans. Stop labeling us as your enemy. We're your friends.
We're the friends of Americans who want a fair deal, a new deal.
If you read old newspapers, you'll realize that HRC was way more radical than anything Obama could be, would know how to be.
She wasn't the peacemaker bill was with the Republicans.
But she'll charm them into realizing that her way is the only way out of this mess they got us into.
Join us. Stop attacking us.
Peace.

to 'golden' and 'oldie' and John E Karl and all the Obamites on here---nice try.
If McCain wins--we'll blame you.
How nasty. How divisive.
How hate-filled you are.
It must really be hard to go home and look in the mirror at night, obscured as it is by all that hatred.

The problem with Hillary and McCain trying to drown out Obama happy talk and cheerleading is that people know their own lives and believe me, someone who's been without a job for years knows he or she is bitter -- and angry. I doubt they want to be told they're not by the Clinton family who's income in the last seven years topped $100 million or from McCain who dumped his first wife and proceeded to get married into wealth (Cindy McCain) to farther his political carrer.
http://agonist.org/schecter/?p=8768

In a country in which people are wohlly judged by their wealth, McCain and Hillary are the FACE of "the elite." Obama not so much.

oldie--why are you stealing part of my handle?
Can't you use one of your own?
Oh, I see, you're trying to marginalize me in a McCarthyite manner by confusing people--so they'll think my posts are yours and vice versa.
Same thing with goldie, too, huh.
Stop it.
You're only hurting your messiah.

Wow. I did a page find function on some other blogs and found the MJ (no I'm not him)
and no, I wouldn't call him a republican, 'golden' or 'oldie'
Are you guys at Obama HQ right now?
but I did find an MJ post most interesting, pasting here (thanks for the type, kids):
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Obama on the other hand, is all about "The Green"...cha-ching!

In November 2007, Obama came out against a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. Signed into law by Ulysses Grant, the current statute allows mining companies to pay as little as $2.50 an acre to mine for hardrock minerals like gold, silver, and copper without paying royalties. Yearly profits for mining hardrock on public lands is estimated to be in excess of $1 billion a year according to Earthworks, a group that monitors the industry. The industry spends freely when it comes to lobbying: an estimated $60 million between 1998-2004 according to The Center on Public Integrity.

The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 would have finally overhauled the law and allowed American taxpayers to reap part of the royalties (4 percent of gross revenue on existing mining operations and 8 percent on new ones). The bill provided a revenue source to cleanup abandoned hardrock mines, which is likely to cost taxpayers over $50 million, and addressed health and safety concerns in the 11 affected western states.

One of Obama's key advisors in Nevada is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies (CBS News "Obama's Position On Mining Law Questioned. Democrat Shares Position with Mining Executives Who Employ Lobbyist Advising Him," November 14, 2007).

I was born and raised in rural Pennsylvania. The small town I grew up in had one stop light and after a fire closed the mine that employed most of the men in the community when I was 10 it has increasingly lost population.
Posted by: Jeff | April 12, 2008 2:25 PM

College Republican Jeffy,

Give me a break, you are the face of Republican, don't give a damn about others, elistism.

Republican Party platform:

For years, your party (GOP) has ruthlessly used and exploited and profited from these people's faith like so much cheap third world labor. Meanwhile, you gave away even more of the store to the giant corporate interests and their lobbyists and the wealthiest of their CEOs and shareholders and what have these hardworking folks received for believing your blather about how you and only you are the true guardians of their "midwestern values?" Their homes being foreclosed on by these same interests you champion so loftily, their incomes losing ground, prices for the most basic of necessities rising, their health care costs soaring and their insurance premiums skyrocketing, their jobs moving overseas, and gentle words like "downsizing" and "rationalizing" and "free trade" to describe the "necessity" and devastation of their forced march to impoverishment and the ruin of their communities. I can only hope their faith and their values you so piously champion may be rewarded in the afterlife, because their faith in you will continue to be betrayed at every turn if you continue in office!
You mock those "Midwestern values" of faith and hard work and caring for the desparate and the needy every time you open your mouths.

I'm really impressed with Barack Obama, his response to this nonsense was Fantastic!

Hillary Clinton and the GOP play voters for fools, trying to distract them with wedge issues that they know will not impact most Americans' daily lives or help them at all in their day to day living circumstances -- but they do know that if they can get people to keep voting against their economic interests by getting them to focus on emotional issues like gay marriage, abortion and gun control, the better it is for them (the ones in power and who are wealthy) and the longer they can run their narrow agendas at the expense of the average American -- because they know that the economy truly is the main issue to vote on. They use fear of terrorism (the chance of being a victim of a terrorist attack is less than getting struck by lightning), bogus personal smear campaigns and lies to distract the voters.

If Clinton wanted to be taken seriously shouldn't have lied about NAFTA, BOSNIA, IRELAND PEACE TALKS, COLOMBIAN TRADE DEALS ETC ETC....it's just a never ending flaming pile of crap that comes out of her mouth....but yeah, I guess the important thing is that Obama used the word "bitter".

Posted by: John E | April 12, 2008 2:11 PM
Posted by: John Z | April 12, 2008 2:19 PM
Nice try "John E" aka "Donna"
You're a liar and your real post name here is "John E" and you're in the tank for Obama and the MNC....but I have to admit it's fun watching you invent new post names as you try to dig yourself out of the hole you've dug for yourself.

c'mon sHrillary. You're the one that sat on Wal-Mart's Board or Directors (1986-1992)squashing unions and selling out our country to the Chinese. Your about as elitist and bitter as they get. Afraid your Chinese masters won't keep paying you if you lose your ability to dupe rural Americans and union people that you're their ticket to salvation? Quit lieing sHrillary and start talking about how you'll fnish off unions and enslave us all to Chinese. You're one of the most disgusting, dishonest politicans in this country. You make Bush look like a saint.

Obama's latest comments about small town America betray the fundamental arrogance that has characterized his entire campaign. His promise of "change" pompously assumes Republicans will suddenly work with him and support liberal values -- although there is absolutely no evidence for this -- because HE is so "unique" and different. In his dreams!

Obama never says how much he will actually compromise to gain Republican support. What will he sacrifice? Social security, medicare, education, universal health insurance, the environment? He won't say. He only warns us that
WE will have to sacrifice. What's new about that?

Obama repeatedly suggests that he (and he alone) will engage the American people to "pay attention" to politics and THIS will change the way that Washington has worked for the last thirty years. If this isn't arrogant, I don't know what is.

Does Obama really think we've all just been snoozing these last seven years? The truth is that we've all been powerless to stop Bush because the Republicans have enabled his reign of terror. The truth is too that the average person influences politics only through their vote every few years. We're busy making a living! So when I vote, I want someone who (a) knows what to do to fix our problems and (b) will work hard and, if necessary, FIGHT for me instead of expecting ME to work for him, as Obama does.

If Obama is actually elected, the Republicans are not going to relinquish their positions or hardball tactics. Obama will be as impotent as we "the people" have been. Does anyone really believe Republicans will suddenly begin supporting the middle class? Obama is either naive and arrogant about his ability, or drunk with illusions of power. (Scary... sounds a lot like our current president.)

An Obama candidacy has to be the Republicans' best hope of regaining power after Bush. Karl Rove & company will surely make mincemeat of B.O. in the general election. McCain is just the new front man, replacing Bush. The behind-the-scenes Republican power players haven't changed.

We have waited a generation since Women's Lib for a viable woman candidate for the Presidency to emerge. Those who are not supporting Senator Clinton are throwing away our best opportunity this decade to REALLY change the face of American politics and help the middle class get back on its feet.

I must say it is hard not to resent Obama for his overwhelming arrogance. It's reached the point when I, for one, will not support him under ANY circumstances.

We have become so conditioned to the mindless stupidity of George Bush that we are shocked to see someone like Barack Obama who can learn and improve their performance as things move along.
George Bush never learned or improved in seven years in the White House. It seems like Obama is learning from week to week. People who write him off are still thinking that he is like Bush and incapable of learning.
Clinton is on dangerous ground to say that folks paying $3.50 a gallon are happy folks brimming with optimism. We're going deeper in debt by the minute and the occupation is now costing $5,000 a SECOND. How crazy is that.

Pinklyle. Since when are you the spokesman of all working people? I'm from Pennsylvania and I can ASSURE you that I'm not bitter. I rather enjoy my life. I might be inclined to agree with you about Hillary but McCain spent five years in a POW prison. He's the exact opposite of elite. He's the only candidate who takes questions from all audiences including ones that republicans don't traditionally do well with. When Hillary or Obama can say they do that they might be able to stand on the same ground as McCain, but until then they're nowhere near as open and willing to talk to the American people as McCain. There claim to openness stands on brittle compared to his actions.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/04/mccain_goes_to_the_hood.html

Clinton appeals to those who choose to ignore their problems and put on a happy face apparently. Yeah they're out there too, and they're about ready to psychologically implode at any moment, that or they just like getting the shaft by who they vote for.

Clinton's got a lot of ground to backtrack on in order to get me to support her ever again after all this is over.

Wow. I did a page find function on some other blogs and found the MJ (no I'm not him)
and no, I wouldn't call him a republican, 'golden' or 'oldie'
Are you guys at Obama HQ right now?
but I did find an MJ post most interesting, pasting here (thanks for the type, kids):

Posted by: golden oldie | April 12, 2008 2:57 PM

"golden oldie" aka "MJ",

The only "page function" you ever did was looking in the mirror at your own past racist anti-Obama posts.

mike is right .... this is a joke for hillary to ever use the word "elitist" (or even the concept)
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read mike to make sense of this
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read Dr. Wilford to find just one more hillarite who is ONLY voting for hillary because she is a woman (is there any other kind of hillary supporter ?)
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sexism, elitism and hypocrisy are ALIVE AND WELL in the hillary camp - in fact, that is ALL they have
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hillary implying "elitism" to use against obama is like bill gates criticizing donald trump for being rich
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hillary you are a bigger joke every day - go dodge some sniper fire somewhere

I must say it is hard not to resent Obama for his overwhelming arrogance. It's reached the point when I, for one, will not support him under ANY circumstances.

Posted by: Dr Wilford | April 12, 2008 3:26 PM

Thanks for the update, "golden oldie" aka "MJ", I'll remember that after I vote for Obama in Indiana next month.

I quit believing anything Clinton ever said a LONG time ago.

Clinton, NAFTA lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFuA0z4kKD4

Clinton lies about NAFTA while her campaign manager, Mark Penn, is working on a trade deal with Colombia"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6ZbTM3QvV4

Clinton, campaign fundraising lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIt7Sv_blE

Clinton, healthcare lies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33DEl3y5Tg

Clinton lies about her role in the Ireland peace talks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

...and of course, Clinton lies about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

OMG Hillary please be a man and drop out...

Obama may not want to count Florida votes but he managed to have his campaign staff call my mother-in-law in Florida for a campaign contribution. We know all about Clinton. Obama, with the help of a good portion of the press, has withheld the information you need to know about him. If you aren't scouring the internet for the credible facts about him (and not the spin on his website or any other Obama fan), then you are making a dangerous mistake. It may take a while but it is worth protecting the interests of this country.

Obama, who was raised by a single mother and just finished paying off his student loans, is somehow an elitist?

But Clinton who with her husband made $109 million since 2000 and who talks about her childhood summer house (who the he** has a summer home?) and McCain who attended an elite private High School and was the son and grand-son of admirals are somehow Joe and Jane six-pack?

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

John, I am a republican and watching people like Rezko, Stroger, Blagojevich, Rendell, and Obama has made me confident that my choice was the right one. I didn't leave the democratic party. It left me. If you want to see a group that's helped foreclose homes, close down businesses and stifle economic development just check out that list of folks.
Every time sales tax, property tax or any of those other fees go up people lose jobs. And no, so Todd Stroger's cousin can have a raise is not a good reason to raise taxes.
What's elistism? Does it have something to do with e-mailing groups of people? In a list?

Now, Senator Barack Obama's supposed to be "Mr. Whitebread elitist"...?

Does one cancel out the other in the people's mind? I mean if you are scary black you can't be elitist--at least not in this culture--and if you're elitist--your typically not scary black...

Which is he? Come on. I'm dying to know. What portion of my prejudcial repitialian mind do you want to stimulate? The black fear, or the class hate?

I think what these idiots have done is basically innoculated Obama against these charges by offering them at such close range--he can't be both, the reptilian mind is simple.... Maybe that helps shut down the reptilian mind, makes them realize he is neither (which is, actually, the truth).

Another thing that helps is the way Obama handles these attacks, while Hillary and McCain present emotional diatribes, filled with vacuous sound bites (PA people are resilient, they are not bitter--right), Obama responds with nontrivial bits of evidence suggesting the candidates are liars with regard to him and hypocrites by making the suggestions themselves. He never says that explicitly, just mentions Hillary's support of the CC bill and McCain's effing hopelessness in coming to grips with the mortgage crisis to make his point for him. He thus engages the intellectual side of the argument--suggesting there is this huge chasm between Hillary and McCain's rosy words and their deeds.

The thing that's always killed me in American politics is how often people vote against their own economic interests. Obama puts a finger on it--they do that because no one is bothering to actually REPRESENT those interests. Certainly neither McCain nor Clinton.

This stupid 'bitter' debacle has given him the media oxygen to make that point. And because it comes in the context of an attack on him, Obama can respond in full force without appearing 'divisive' or ...wait for it...'bitter'.

You can lead a conservative to facts--but you can't make him think.

I'm very well off but I still don't fit the definition of elitist.

It's got nothing to do with how much money you make or what drink you prefer or what kind of car you drive, it's all about how you view and treat other people; and Obama's response to this whole manufactured pseudo-scandal is really bringing that simple truth to the forefront for a lot of people.

Clinton, and to some extent McCain, are just hurting themselves by demonstrating so graphically how little they know about how the vast majority of people in this country live and what they're going through right now.

Good Grief!

Let me see if I have this straight. Hillary is calling Obama an elitist, after he tax returns show her and Billary making a cool 109 million in the last 6-7 years. Just who is the elite here? Hillary and Bill and Obama for that matter should have crossed the country with Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie during their awful TV show. At least with their stupid questions and inane gestures, some truth came out.

American's struggle?

"We Don't Need to See No Stinking Struggle!

golden oldie:
It's good you are so ardent in your support of Hillary.
I can think of over 4020 reasons and over $600 billion dollars worth of reasons to not support her.
In any case I expect Hillary's
silly attack on this issue will probably overall hurt her in Pennsylvania. For someone with so much "experience" you can see she does not have much "political savvy" in the way she has managed her campaign.

What a terrible mistake the Clinton camp is making! Keep tearing down a Democratic candidate and see what you have won, come November! Candidate Nader is a very good alternative to Senator McCain!!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.

All this sniping back and forth between the two candidates only helps one person, John McCain. He doesn't have to run a negative campaign right now because his opponents are doing it for him. It won't matter who wins the nomination because all people are going to remember are the lies and smears the two of them have been throwing back and forth. If they were smarter, they'd focus on themselves rather than their opponent.

Gun toting, Bible thumpers in PA demand a retraction?

Because, uh, they aren't bitter, well, not all of them, and uh, they don't take refuge in their guns and religion, well, not all of the time, at least, and, well,...

Never mind, Barack was right!

What's elistism? Does it have something to do with e-mailing groups of people? In a list?

Posted by: Jeff | April 12, 2008 4:09 PM

Jeffy,

You're are the very defininition of the elitist carpetbagger Republican, but I have to say that it's nice that you've moved to Illinois with your GOPer schtick because we don't drink the Republic Party kool-aide here, never have, never will.

Oh, so Clinton's from Chicago again? I wonder if she is back to being a lifelong Cub fan (having ended her fling with being a lifelong Yankee fan)? It's she who has the cynical view of the average voter.

We are about to have a second anomaly this Nov. I believe these folks will probably be called McCain Democrats. As a fully recovered liberal, i can attest that there is one constant in life, and that is the Democrats will drink from the same cup of poison every election cycle , and this one will be no exception. If the DNC keeps coming up with these bo

We are about to have a second anomaly this Nov. I believe these folks will probably be called McCain Democrats. As a fully recovered liberal, i can attest that there is one constant in life, and that is the Democrats will drink from the same cup of poison every election cycle , and this one will be no exception. If the DNC keeps coming up with these bo

I feel like I'm watching an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

That's really what I feel like I'm watching. Obama gives a great response speech to this phony made-up non-scandal, and Clinton and McCain have no real response, so they sit there like juveniles and point and say, "he said 'bitter.' Heh. He-Heh.", if Clinton and McCain are lucky maybe no one will notice anything else that Obama said as long as they keep pointing and giggling.

So what is an elistist? I'm asking you a question. You've called me one. If you can argue substance, John, then I'd love to discuss this with you. But if you're just going to call people carpetbaggers, particularly ones who have never run for public office in their entire lives, then I'm going to leave you all alone in your anger.
I've been more than forthcoming about my background and why I feel qualified to comment on this. Try and explain why you feel you're more of a working person than me or you think your candidate is qualified to make that statement. The floor is yours.

This issue and others like it (Hillary's memory of sniper fire, McCain's 100 year war, etc) are about as important as Neil Patrick Harris's clarifications of his comments regarding Britney Spears's appearance on How I Met Your Mother.

Instead of everyone trying to be Ed Rollins or Michael Deaver or James Carville or one of these other cynics and charlatans, let's focus on what each of these people are voting for and what their positions are.

All of this word play is just garbage the media needs to fill time a column inches.

We should demand more of ourselves.

Do you hear Barack nit picking every word and phrase that comes out of Clinton's mouth. NO!!!! He goes out there and speaks from his heart about the issues we Americans face everyday. Clinton and McCain and their country club lifestyles, they are the elitist. Maybe that is why the comment has both of their panties in a knot!!!! OBAMA 08!!!!!!

I was at the Obama fundraiser in San Francisco that has gotten so much attention of late. It was a small event, maybe 250 people. Having seen Obama speak at large rallies, this event had more of a living room feel, despite the fact that people were packed in like sardines in a large private house. Obama's speech was part stump speech, part relaxed conversation with his supporters.

At the end of this small event Obama took four questions, one of which was from a couple of supporters going to Pennsylvania to work for the campaign. They wanted to know what kinds of questions they could expect to get from people in Pennsylvania. Obama began to answer their question by talking about the cultural and geographic diversity in Pennsylvania. He then proceeded to talk about what kind of attitudes and obstacles they might run into in the parts of the state that had been economically devastated by job loss. He talked about the fact that they would run into great cynicism about Washington or any promise of political change. He talked about the frustration and yes, bitterness, in some of these areas, where people had lost industry and jobs twenty five years before, jobs that never came back. He talked about the culture in these communities and what people had done to cope with economic hardship. This was an attempt both to tell these supporters what they might run up against and what were the challenges for the campaign in the industrial Midwest as a whole. Obama was both giving a speech to the supporters present at the event and a heart-to-heart to this couple that was ready to go door-to-door in Pennsylvania.

Imagine my surprise to see an article in the Huffington Post by Mayhill Fowler describing his answer as "a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience." and his answer being like "explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County." I guess Ms. Fowler thought that, unlike herself, the other attendees had never gone outside the large house in Pacific Heights where the event was held. I grew up working class in Texas. I thought it ironic that Ms Fowler, was attempting to paint Obama as a condescending elitist, while at the same time she was stereotyping everybody at the event with her omniscient insight. In any case, her agenda was clear. Despite Ms. Fowler talking about the people at the fundraiser being middle class in an earlier post, the "rich man poor man" theme fit better with the "Obama as a judgmental elite, talking to judgmental elites" spin. This also seemed to fit with some of her earlier articles where she had described Obama as cocky, arrogant, and even "flirty". What a coincidence that she now writes an article putting another twist on Obama's personality. All she had to do was a sneak a recorder in an small event for Obama supporters and do a little bit of crafty writing and out of context editing. Now Fox News and Lou Dobbs are having a field day.

It was great seeing Obama in a relaxed setting, talking both in detail and inspiring prose, in what was essentially a large living room.

Too bad there were roaches under the sofa.

If I were a Republican, I'd be delighted with the way the campaign is shaping up. With some notable exceptions, Obama has done quite well to this point. He has all but locked up the nomination. But he has made some major gaffes that will come back to haunt him (and us Democrats) in the general election.

They have not been major issues so far because the press has covered for him to this point, but believe me the Republicans won't let them pass in the general election. They will let the voters know about them with paid media. And this recent quote will be one of the blunders that will do major damage.

We Democrats would have been much better off if the press had vetted Obama much earlier on. We'd have been better off if they would have put him through a trial by fire, so to speak, to see if he could withstand the rigors of a general election campaign. Right now, I'm afraid things don't look so good.

Perhaps we'll be deadlocked at our convention and our delegates will be able to pick a nominee besides Clinton or Obama. We have so many good Democrats who could beat McCain--but I fear that both Clinton and Obama are such damaged goods that neither could win this fall.

let's take hilary's and john's job their house forget about having a 401k, or other savings account, unable to borrow any money for your kids college tuition bcause you have no income to speak of, and see if they would not be bitter or angry, let's see if they don't pray more and fight to keep their guns etc. try that on for size you two. obama 08

Elitist and out of touch are more apt for people (the Clintons) who made $100+ MILLION in the past 7 years with one person being "retired" and getting a govt. pension and the other getting a govt. paycheck.

Posted by: DA | April 12, 2008 5:28 PM

AMEN to that.

Jeff,

I'm just like you except that I don't sit on the high and mighty Republican chair with you. I don't agree with the Republican mantra, like saying your party is fighting for the little guy while you are also cheerleading for tax cuts for the rich and sending more young people over to Iraq to die in some stupid f-ing war that we shouldn't even be involved in etc etc etc.

You seem like a great guy, I just think you went sideways with your political views at one time in your life.

Bitter? Dang right I'm bitter. Two multi-millionaires who grew up in well-to-do families and never had to worry about money a day in their lives are telling ME how I should feel. You have no clue. I am insulted that you think I am so stupid that I can't understand what Obama said on my own. He was right. People are DYING in Iraq and our economy is in the crapper. We let the media and the politicians distract us with other issues like gun control and gay marriage, while the Clintons, Bushes, McCains, Cheneys etc. laugh all the way to the bank.

I'm not only bitter, I am FURIOUS.

Hope. Change. Hate

Obama '08

Reasonable, I HIGHLY doubt John McCain would be bitter if you took away his job and house away. He's survived having much worse taken from him. Like his freedom. Barack and Michelle, however, complain about "where's Barack's trust fund."
We can see where the real bitterness is.

Billary sees resilience? through the sniper fire and the $109 million that she and her business associate/husband have? Hey, you want to hate on Obama, have at it. How though, can you honestly want 2 families to run the country?

I can accept McCain or Obama. I can't accept Chelsea in 2016
Jenna in 2024
Billy Bush in 2032
Jeb Bush in 2040

Obama is destroying the Democratic Party.

She has some set on her to be calling somebody elitist. Champion for the working class? How much money did she and Bill make? Please! All these politicians have money and if they lose their "jobs" - no get re-elected- they still have an income by charging high speaking fees. How can they "feel " the working man's pain when they have never held a blue collar job; well, McCain did serve in the military and is a POW, so that he should know better.
Hillary and Obama are just bickering and pandering for votes, people. They will say and do anything to get into office, then use the "congress didn't pass it" excuse to give up on what they are promising.
Hillary - ugh!

When did Hillary become a Republican?

to 'golden' and 'oldie' and John E Karl and all the Obamites on here---nice try.
If McCain wins--we'll blame you.
How nasty. How divisive.
How hate-filled you are.
It must really be hard to go home and look in the mirror at night, obscured as it is by all that hatred.
Posted by: golden oldie | April 12, 2008 2:49 PM

Talk about needing to taste one's own medicine!

How many elitists does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: the light bulb never gets changed because the elitists are too busy calling each other an elitist and forget that there's a job to be done.

Go Hillary !!!

God, I walk away from my computer for one day and the HRC foggies think they have a story to run with here.

I'll tell ya what, most HRC supporters are just plain ignorant. They choose to ignore facts; they choose to ignore her lies; they choose to ignore reality; they choose to ignore popular votes, and they find many other ways of showing us their ignorance with every post.

There is NO WAY Obama can be an elitis, PERIOD. He spent years as an organizer from the bottom up, not as a tag-along first lady from the top down. This whole thing is yet another shiing example of how HRC can not keep her campaign on track and on issue.

While Obama's may regret not spending a few more sentences to clarify this concept in the original speach, it pales in comparrison to a witch that stare me right in the eye and lies! Idiots.

What Obama said is right on the money. Why did Republicans put the gay marriage amendment on the ballot in 2004 - so people would come out and vote because it is a splinter issue. Let's face facts, people vote on issues like abortion, religion and the right to bear arms. Americans are afraid of people who tell them like it is. Hillary, who made $190 million in the past few years calls Obama elitist?

john mccain is not elitist? the son of wealth and privilege who obviously was not worthy of the naval academy, finishing in the bottom 1 percentile? the guy who dumped his sick wife for a woman half his age with more money than god? the guy with a raging, uncontrollable temper whenever he doesn't get his way? this guy was born with a silver spoon and is so lazy and dumb, he never grew out of it. a spoiled rotten child of privilege that only a fool would support.

Clinton, Obama and McCain are all Rich! What upsets me about Obama is that he said those words behind the backs of the people of Pennsylvania. He never intended for those words to be heard. He is running his campaign on being different but he is not, just more of the same.

Clinton calling Obama an elitist is like the pot calling the kettle black...and really that's the real point.

"Let's face facts, people vote on issues like abortion, religion and the right to bear arms."

Yes they do and because they don't share the same views on the subject as you, I gather, they do so because they are bitter........

"There is NO WAY Obama can be an elitis, PERIOD. He spent years as an organizer from the bottom up.."
He also smoked pot and said this.."Back then I had a tendency, in my mother’s words, to act a bit casual about my future. I rebelled, angry in the way that many young men in general, and young black men in particular, are angry, thinking that responsibility and hard work were old-fashioned conventions that didn’t apply to me. I partied a little too much and studied just enough to get by. And once, after a particularly long night of partying, we had spilled a little too much beer, broke a few too many bottles, and trashed a little too much of the dorm. And the next day, the mess was so bad that when one of the cleaning ladies saw it, she began to tear up. And when a girlfriend of mine heard about this, she said to me, “That woman could’ve been my grandmother, Barack. She spent her days cleaning up after somebody else’s mess.”
Sounds like a e-lite to me...I'm sure he replied my typical white grandmother? My ancestors were slaves...LOLOLOLOLOL Anyeway, it was part of a graduation speech the lessons he learned, in this case the world doesn't revolve around you. Including," There’s a lot of talk in this country about the federal deficit. But I think we should talk more about our empathy deficit – the ability to put ourselves in someone else’s shoes; to see the world through those who are different from us – the child who’s hungry, the laid-off steelworker, the immigrant woman cleaning your dorm room."
Has he learned his "lessons" according to his choice of words about PA rural areas he's suffering from his empathy deficit.
Words matter, at least that's what Obama would say. His words speak to e-lite even if his actions "don't." If anything it makes it look like his community service had less to do with being of service and more to do with him trying to build street credit for his blackness while making up for the high education he was receiving so as to not be deemed too out of touch, at least on paper.

propaganda

Common techniques > Word games
Name calling

"Bad names have played a tremendously powerful role in the history of the world and in our own individual development. They have ruined reputations, stirred men and women to outstanding accomplishments, sent others to prison cells, and made men mad enough to enter battle and slaughter their fellowmen. They have been and are applied to other people, groups, gangs, tribes, colleges, political parties, neighborhoods, states, sections of the country, nations, and races." (Institute for Propaganda Analysis, 1938)

The name-calling technique links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol. The propagandist who uses this technique hopes that the audience will reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of looking at the available evidence.

The most obvious type of name calling involves bad names. For example, consider the following:

* Commie
* Fascist
* Pig
* Yuppie
* Bum
* Queer
* Terrorist

A more subtle form of name-calling involves words or phrases that are selected because they possess a negative emotional charge. Those who oppose budget cuts may characterize fiscally conservative politicians as "stingy." Supporters might prefer to describe them as "thrifty." Both words refer to the same behavior, but they have very different connotations. Other examples of negatively charged words include:

* social engineering
* radical
* cowardly
* counter-culture

The name-calling technique was first identified by the Institute for Propaganda Analysis (IPA) in 1938. According to the IPA, we should ask ourselves the following questions when we spot an example of name-calling.

* What does the name mean?
* Does the idea in question have a legitimate connection with the real meaning of the name?
* Is an idea that serves my best interests being dismissed through giving it a name I don't like?
* Leaving the name out of consideration, what are the merits of the idea itself?

Question: If I donated money to the Obama campaign, how do I file for its return?

Obama - right on. People aren't used to hearing politicians who tell them things that resemble uncomfortable reality (and Obama isn't used to politicians who cynically take advantage of that). I always said that I'd vote for any Democrat in this election, but Hillary's tactics are so outlandish that I may reconsider if she pulls this out.

Funny deflection... referring to the Clinton's time (and salary) in Arkansas as large earners. According to Wikipedia [i]Clinton and Hillary Rodham .... salaries of $35,000...as Governor of Arkansas and $25,000 as Rose Law Firm associate, respectively.

Posted by: Nickberry | April 12, 2008 1:14 PM

Nickberry, if you really think the Queen B just made $25,000 a year at the Rose Law Firm, then I have come wonderful land in Castle Grande to sell you!

By the by, Obama and the Queen B are the epitome of elitism. They are clueless liberal elitists who think they know what is best for all. The end.

Oh, Hillary, you are simply pathetic.

You of all people should jump on some small words.

You who claimed she was under fire of snipers in Bosnia,

You who now claims to be the gun-toting Annie Oakley sitting in the front pew of your church.

You who lied for your sleazy husband for your entire adult life.

You who claims to have had a major role in bringing peace to Ireland.

You who goes one day from imitating Clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry to donning an apron and baking cookies the next.

Quoting poor Hillary here is like quoting a lunatic.

DD- ? What are you talking about?
Never said if McCain wins I'd blame anyone. I have no idea what mirror or lightbulbs you're talking about either.

I simply stated that I don't want to see 2 families controlling the country. I'm sick of the Clintons and I'm sick of the Bushes. For me, it's that simple. Do I believe that McCain or Obama will be able to effect any real "change"? No. Will things be drastically different, whomever is elected- No? Pelosi and Reed promised change, and nothing has happened. Here in Chicago, 20+ HIgh school students have been killed as a result of gunfire and gang-related violence this year. Nothing is changing.

So what does a Presidential election mean? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I don't care about lightbulbs, I don't care about mirrors. I don't care about someone's Pastor's words. I don't care about some former first lady who lives a $110 Million lifestyle trying to weave some story about how well she relates. Nothing will cange.

Healthcare costs have gone up 400% in the last 7 years

Gas prices have gone up 400% in the last 7 years

Defined benefit pensions are gone & healthcare coverage for retirees through their employers is continually shrinking.

Real things, not lightbulbs or mirrors or whatever vague romanticized notions that you believe you are so nobly defending.

All of them need to shut up already. I am getting more and more bitter every day listening to three people tell me whether or not I am bitter, and if I am, then the people telling me that are elite and I am just some poor slob who knows no better.

By the way, nice video of Hillary have a shot and a beer. Now, the way that Hillary did that shot, looked like she was afraid of it. Who sips a shot? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Loved the line on TV earlier this morning from one of the talking heads, Hillary trying to look like Norm from Cheers..........hahahahaha. Good job Hillary. She looked about as comfortable as a fish swimming in a shark tank.

Reporters should be required to take a reading/comprehension test with their score, then, posted after their byline. Did anyone at the Trib bother to read Obama's comments? Obama was talking about the talking points that have been used to sway voters to vote against their own economic interests. In the meantime, we have Hillary toting guns and declaring herself ANTI-FREE TRADE while her husband gathers $800K in 'speaking fees' from Columbia with a government who wants a FREE TRADE agreement with the USA. We look to our journalists for information about real political issues not finger pointing about some mythical comments.

Question: If I donated money to the Obama campaign, how do I file for its return?

Posted by: Wil | April 13, 2008 6:28 AM

Since he is only asking for 15 dollars, why don't you just write it off as a major expense. Obama has so many new voters that he only has to ask each for 15 dollars and he exceeds the 40million mark without trying.

While Obama may or may not be an elitist ..his list of endorsements has been the whos who of elitist rich liberals....and did I mention they also top the list of all time biggest losers in the Dem party!
John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Bill Richardon, Jimmy Carter, Oprah etc.....can you think of any BIGGER losers than this list. I am a gambler at heart so I have to go with Clinton for President as Obama's chance of winning is very very small. If he is nominated prepare for four more years of Republicans.

I think Obama is onto something. He's got "nads," I'll give him that. He shouldn't back off of the comments. Most democrats are bitter. They've found out that nothing makes them happy. They've tried religion and it didn't make them happy, they've tried guns, anarchist philosophy, communist philosophy, etc. etc. The thing is none of that makes many people happy. Even money. Just listen to the "rich" Democrats on television. They're bitter. Studies show that people's happiness level is not based on external things, but that we seem to have an internal level of happiness that can only be changed temporarily by external factors. Dems are much more likely to be in this group and being told they're bitter and that other people hold they're beliefs because they're bitter makes sense to this group of people (and has a lot of validity). It's not politically smart, but he's really stumbled onto a truth about the people who are likely to support him. It really won't hurt him in the election because the people who think guns are good and religion is good aren't supporting him anyway.

In a current Pennsylvania political ad, 3 year-old Hillary Rodham, arms extended, toddles toward the home-movie camera. Hillary's present-day voice-over explains, the Rodham family cottage, down by the lake, lacked indoor plumbing. It was hardship borne from the start. Yet, more telling events seem to fall by the wayside. Take twenty-seven year old Hillary's first real job. The upshot: Jerry Zeifman fired Hillary for unethical practices during the Watergate Investigation. Why was Hillary fired? “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in a recent interview. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

“I have gone [duck] hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting," says Hillary. Perhaps as amusing, is how an elitist politician worth over $100 million-dollars, espouses small town family values. Not only does Mr. Zeifman’s account go to character, it goes to a lifelong pattern of lying and obfuscation. It took Zeifman twelve years to get his story aired. After Watergate, Zeifman could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust, nor furnish her with a letter of recommendation. After that, Hillary's employment record is one of strict nepotism, cronyism, and amnesia.

Although few suspected the lengths to which Hillary would go, a leopard never changes her spots. According to Mr. Zeifman, it’s not just Hillary’s dishonesty; that’s a fact not in dispute. More to the point is the overall timeframe in which she has behaved in a fraudulent manner. "The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party." -Henry Ruth, lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor. Again, Hillary Clinton is a bold-faced liar, who will stop at nothing. Should anyone doubt either Mr. Zeifman, or Mr. Ruth’s veracity regarding the Clintons, dispute this: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Ps. Parental reminder: due to possible long-term side effects, please use caution when teaching a child to quack like a duck.

And now it comes to light that back in the 90's Hillary told Bill in regards to the Reagan Democrats, "Screw' em."
Can Hillary tell a lie so big that even God can't lift it?

What's most disturbing is how Obama is above reproach. It's become almost blasphemy to criticize him in anyway. Kudos to John Stewart for pointing this out in his comedy routine, but he'll probably catch flack for that, just like the rest of us. It's as if Obama has been packaged and sold to us as some kind of diety, when he's nothing more than a junior senator, with a thin resume, who voted present a hundred times at his job.

I will not vote for Obama even though I am a devoted Democrat I would vote for the older man before the Rat. If Obama chooses Hillary as his running mate I would change my mind but until then, no Obama.

I recently saw an article talking about potential cabinet members for Obama should he win. Of the 27 people listed, 15 went to Harvard, and 23 went to what I would consider an "elitist" school (yale, u of c, stanford, dartmouth etc)

Zbigniew Brzezinski harvard
Anthony Lake georgetown
Susan Rice, stanford
Richard Danzig. Yale, taught at harvard
Anthony Zinni, duke
Greg Craig, Harvard
Samantha Power, Harvard
Sarah Sewall, also Harvard researcher,
Artur Davis, a Harvard-educated
Austan Goolsbee, Yale, University of Chicago
Glenn Hubbard , Harvard
Jeffrey Liebman Harvard
Robert Rubin Harvard
David Cutler, a Harvard
Larry Summers, Harvard
Timothy F. Geithner, dartmouth
Henry Paulson, harvard
Gary Gensler, wharton,
Stuart Eizenstat, harvard
Cassandra Butts, Harvard Law
Daniel Tarullo Harvard
Max Cleland, stetson
Robert Gibbs, nc state
Jon Favreau, none
Chris Lu, another Harvard Law classmate.
David Axelrod University of Chicago
Bill Burton george washington

Elitist ... You Make the Call