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Clinton: 'Electable,' party ponders

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Posted April 3, 2008 10:45 AM
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by Mark Silva

Sen. Hillary Clinton’s campaign, pitching her “electability’’ in November, insists that the results of Pennsylvania’s and other remaining primary elections will bear out their argument that the senator from New York stands a greater chance than Sen. Barack Obama in a race with the GOP’s John McCain – and victories down the road will convince the party’s super-delegates to swing Clinton’s way.

Yet more influential Democratic super-delegates – including Clinton-backing New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine – are saying that they may have to follow the party’s popular primary vote in making their final decisions about a nominee. Corzine today said Clinton will have to win big in Pennsylvania on April 22 to help make her case.

“We have consistently made a case that Sen. Clinton is more electable than Sen. Obama,’’ Mark Penn, a senior strategist for the Clinton campaign, said in a conference call with reporters this morning. “We see this… in the level of the constituencies that she has been attracting. She has been doing extremely well with working-class voters… Catholic voters… women voters… Latino voters,’’ he said, and recent polls show Clinton running well against McCain in significant swing states such as Florida and Ohio.

“With regard to Gov. Corzine,’’ Howard Wolfson, campaign communications director, said, “a lot is going to happen between now and the end of the primary period. One thing you can anticipate in this race is that the unanticipated will happen… We believe we are going to make the case that we need to make that Sen. Clinton is ready to be commander in chief… We expected continued success as we go forward.

“Gov. Corzine is a strong supporter of Sen. Clinton’s. Let’s see how the process comes out and you can ask us about that at the conclusion.’’

Despite Obama's probably unassailable lead in pledged delegates, and his advantage in the popular vote of primaries already cast, the Clinton camp claims it has won the most important states and will continue that trend in Pennsylvania and beyond.

“At the end of this process, all super-delegates are going to take a look at this,’’ Penn added, and they will be looking at “who has won what states.

“The states she has taken have considerably more electoral voters… and we think that will continue to be true as we roll through Pennsylvania and other states,’’ Penn said. “At the end of the day, she is the most electable against John McCain… The polls are reflecting the arguments that we’re making… As we continue to roll through the rest of the primaries, we expect the maps to continue to favor us’

Corzine aid the race for the Democratic nomination may be over if Clinton fails to win big in Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.

“I think she needs a good, big win,'' Corzine said in an interview aired by CNBC today, calling himself an ``aggressive supporter'' of the senator. ``You have to see a real cut into this popular vote, and I think she's going to get it.''

Obama leads Clinton by roughly 700,000 popular votes in the primaries and caucuses held so far. That doesn't include Florida and Michigan, which the party stripped of delegates for holding early primaries. Obama is ahead of Clinton in pledged delegates, by a margin of 1,634 to 1,500, according to the Associated Press.

Corzine, one of the 794 superdelegates who may settle the race, maintains that Democrats should pay for new primaries in Florida and Michigan. ``I think it's crazy for Democrats to walk away from two of the biggest states, tell them that we're uninterested in their point of view,'' he said. ``There's no reason to end up having people feel like this wasn't a fair fight and somebody got pushed out of it prematurely.''
Some of the other superdelegates from New Jersey who have said they will support Clinton now suggest they could end up supporting Sen. Barack Obama. They suggested they might be willing to change Monday at an event in which New Jersey Sen. Frank Lautenberg announced his intention to run for another term in the U.S. Senate.

Among those super-delegates: Rep. Donald Payne, Rep. Steve Rothman and Rep. Rush Holt. Payne supports Clinton, Rothman supports Obama, and Holt is uncommitted.

With Clinton trailing in both the national vote and delegate counts, Obama is pushing to get more super-delegates, including Democratic National Committee member June Fischer, who was wearing a "Supers for Hillary" button Monday. “I think the popular vote will probably, certainly be a major factor -- and delegate lead," Fischer said.


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Of the 3 remaining major candidates, she is the least electable. She is by far the most polarizing, and she is the liar that has been caught the most.

That said though, she is going to win big in PA, and many of the other upcoming elections, as she now has the temporary support of Republicans. Anyone that is dumb enough to think that a Republican will vote for HRC in the general is a bonified green kool aid drinker.

Any of these upcoming primary battles mean nothing to anyone that can see how much influence the RNC is having in this election. I can't believe that she is so dumb as to think that her "surge" in voters is coming from Democrats.


Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, New York, New Jersey, etc. Obama loses. McCain wins. But Clinton trumps both.

Why in the world can anyone believe that Obama can get some "new coalition" going? Guess it must be those rich Democrats who think Obama fits in so well with their suburban digs.


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I know that republicans are voting for Hillary to keep her in the race. Equally there may have been republicans that early on voted for Obama that would not vote for him today due to some issues that have surfaced and a better look at his resume. They both benefited from a very short republican primary and one that did not have a base of support. Hillary really stabbed herself with the Bosnia event. She might have stood a chance to beat Barack big in PA, but I don't think so now. So far they have both lied about events in their lives, which seems so stupid since all things today are documented or can be searched. That being said, never count the Clintons out. They will do whatever it takes to get the prize.


With Obama to the left of her and McCain to the right- Hillary is the most electable.
With the economy as the #1 issue of this year's election--the Clinton 90s sure look good- and experience certainly starts to look mighty attractive.


Pham vin Diesel , What a #@*"#@, are you trying to say!!


It has been obvious that Obama could not and will not win against McCain. It is young voters and the blacks voting on skin color that have put Obama in this position. In the general election there are no caucuses just voting behind a curtain and that is where Obama has not done well unless the state had very high numbers of black voters like SC. Hillary will have the popular vote lead by the time these primaries are over and neither will have the number of deligates to win. Winning the most states in a democratic primary and laying claim to such just shows how niave the Obama's are or how niave they think their voters are because the number of states, especially when most of the states he won are republican states, means nothing or less than nothing.....certainly does not mean he is electable if he could not win any of the states we need to carry like CA and MA.

Also I noticed someone commenting that apparently belives in Rush Linbough......check the numbers dear because it appears that both candidates have been getting republican votes. Of the 2 candidates the republican vote most likely to stick are the ones for Hillary because they are women voting for women....jRepublicans voting for Obama are certainly looking for the weakest democratic candidate to run against McCain. This game is not for kids but I sure hope you kiddies are learning something because if Obama were to be nominated you would be getting McCain for President.


"Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, California, New York, New Jersey, etc. Obama loses."

yet california, new york and new jersey are obvious democratic strongholds which both candidates will easily win.
florida and michigan where uncontested(in any states the polls are more in his favor after obama campaigned there)
Pennsylvania is the only one in there where you have a bit of a point.

it seems to me obama will have more chance to win then clinton, by a big margin.


We are tired of the Clintons bossing around. So what if they are filthy rich and influencial. It's clear their sole desperation after the whitehouse seat is only for their own agenda and nothing more. So don't get fool by all their talks.


The Clinton camp is trying really hard to convince the super delegates that Hillary can win the general election. I'm actually afraid that if they follow the leadership of Bill Richardson and support Obama. Bill Clinton is going to take out contract hits on all of them.


I am tired to see the OBAMA's campaign actions- polishing image in front of people, pouring dirts all over the internet. I agree playing people's emotion (like encouraging hate )might be an effective way to gain vote. However, I condemn it because it is too dirty. I will vote for Hillary if she is the option, otherwise, I will vote for McCain. And I know I am not the only one.


Senator Clinton seems to be focusing, once again, on health care. Well it appears she is having some trouble keeping her campaign staff insured:

Clinton didn’t pay health insurance bills

By Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project
Posted 2 days, 23 hours ago email to friend tool nameclose
tool goes here
By: Kenneth P. Vogel

Politico - Among the debts reported this month by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s struggling presidential campaign, the $292,000 in unpaid health insurance premiums for her campaign staff stands out.

Clinton, who is being pressured to end her campaign against Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination, has made her plan for universal health care a centerpiece of her agenda.

The campaign provides health insurance to all its employees, their spouses, partners and children — and that wasn’t interrupted by any lag in payments to insurance providers, said Jay Carson, a Clinton campaign spokesman.

He said the campaign this month paid off all outstanding bills to Aetna Healthcare and CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield. Those payments will be reflected on a report the campaign will file this month with the Federal Election Commission, which Carson said will show “zero debt owed to both vendors.”

“Sometimes invoices are not paid immediately because we need additional information for our records, or to verify expenses,” Carson said in a statement e-mailed to Politico. “Sometimes invoices arrive at the very end of the month at the cutoff of the reporting period, which means that we are required to report them as a debt on the current FEC report, even where they are paid in regular course during the next month.”

But the unpaid bills to Aetna were at least two months old, according to FEC filings.

They show the campaign ended last year owing Aetna more than $213,000 for “employee benefits.”

During the first two months of the year, the campaign did not pay down any of that debt. In fact, it accrued another $16,000 in unpaid bills last month, and it finished the month owing Aetna $229,000.

Though the campaign reported owing $63,000 to Carefirst at the end of February for employee benefits, it appears Clinton paid that company on a more frequent basis. The New York senator’s presidential campaign began the month owing $299,000 to Carefirst, but paid that amount in its entirety, and the $63,000 it owed at the end of the month appears to be from services rendered last month.

Campaigns resemble businesses in many ways. Like businesses, one of their biggest costs is salaries, payroll taxes and the benefits of their employees. Also like businesses, they tend to carry unpaid bills as debt from week-to-week or even month-to-month.

But Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, did not report any unpaid bills to insurance providers at the end of February. And the only insurance-related debt reported by Obama, an Illinois senator, was $908 to AIG American International Group for “insurance.”

Their campaigns also reported substantially less debt overall than Clinton’s, which owed $8.7 million at the end of February. Obama owed $625,000 and McCain $4.3 million, though most of his debt was from a bank loan, and only $1.3 million was in the form of unpaid bills to a dozen vendors.

Carson stressed that Clinton’s campaign pays all its bills “regularly and in the normal course of business.”

SOURCE: Politico


what rubbish,
whether anyone likes it or not,thinks it is racist or not,the bald fact remains obama cant get the latino and asian as well as the blue collar voters.he is popular among the youth,but most college kids dont even vote,so his popularity in that area doesnt translate to vote in real time,in the general election all these factors are going to come into play,and frankly I am not even convinced of his message-hes got some really broadstrokes about change,its better to see the fine print,and he seems to show appaling ignorance about foreign affairs(notice his gaffes on pakistan and his at-all-cost-pull out strategy in iraq=a recipe for disaster in middle east strategy

so NO-hillary still remains in my opininon the best bet for the democrats


Hillary is the most electable. She won the most important big states, and she is much more presidential than Mr Obama.


The Clinton campaign over the last few months provided us with a myriad of fanciful scenariors of how Clinton could possibly win the Democrat nomination. Talk about the necessity of suspended reasoning and creative accounting.

The proof is in the pudding. Obama raised $40 million last month including an additional 220,000 new donors. Clinton's money is drying up. Democratic voters have spoken, Hillary, your almost suicidal desire to become president, even at the cost of wrecking the Democrat Party is over. The Fat Lady has begun her Swan Song.


Republicans want Obama to win the nomination because they know he cant win against Mccain.Hillary is the one to beat Mccain.


Senator Clinton seems to be focusing, once again, on health care. Well it appears she is having some trouble keeping her campaign staff insured:

Clinton didn’t pay health insurance bills

By Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project
Posted 2 days, 23 hours ago email to friend tool nameclose
tool goes here
By: Kenneth P. Vogel

Politico - Among the debts reported this month by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s struggling presidential campaign, the $292,000 in unpaid health insurance premiums for her campaign staff stands out.

Clinton, who is being pressured to end her campaign against Barack Obama for the Democratic nomination, has made her plan for universal health care a centerpiece of her agenda.

The campaign provides health insurance to all its employees, their spouses, partners and children — and that wasn’t interrupted by any lag in payments to insurance providers, said Jay Carson, a Clinton campaign spokesman.

He said the campaign this month paid off all outstanding bills to Aetna Healthcare and CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield. Those payments will be reflected on a report the campaign will file this month with the Federal Election Commission, which Carson said will show “zero debt owed to both vendors.”

“Sometimes invoices are not paid immediately because we need additional information for our records, or to verify expenses,” Carson said in a statement e-mailed to Politico. “Sometimes invoices arrive at the very end of the month at the cutoff of the reporting period, which means that we are required to report them as a debt on the current FEC report, even where they are paid in regular course during the next month.”

But the unpaid bills to Aetna were at least two months old, according to FEC filings.

They show the campaign ended last year owing Aetna more than $213,000 for “employee benefits.”

During the first two months of the year, the campaign did not pay down any of that debt. In fact, it accrued another $16,000 in unpaid bills last month, and it finished the month owing Aetna $229,000.

Though the campaign reported owing $63,000 to Carefirst at the end of February for employee benefits, it appears Clinton paid that company on a more frequent basis. The New York senator’s presidential campaign began the month owing $299,000 to Carefirst, but paid that amount in its entirety, and the $63,000 it owed at the end of the month appears to be from services rendered last month.

Campaigns resemble businesses in many ways. Like businesses, one of their biggest costs is salaries, payroll taxes and the benefits of their employees. Also like businesses, they tend to carry unpaid bills as debt from week-to-week or even month-to-month.

But Arizona Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, did not report any unpaid bills to insurance providers at the end of February. And the only insurance-related debt reported by Obama, an Illinois senator, was $908 to AIG American International Group for “insurance.”

Their campaigns also reported substantially less debt overall than Clinton’s, which owed $8.7 million at the end of February. Obama owed $625,000 and McCain $4.3 million, though most of his debt was from a bank loan, and only $1.3 million was in the form of unpaid bills to a dozen vendors.

Carson stressed that Clinton’s campaign pays all its bills “regularly and in the normal course of business.”

SOURCE: Politico



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Hillary is a loser. Period. Her own ego is a bag of bricks she needs to stop carrying. For the sake of the party and her reputation (crazy lady, fruit loops) she needs to endorse Barack Obama. This is not even a debate. She lost. If she steals the nomination, she will have only pulled it off by disenfranchising voters and delegates, arm twisting superdelegates and spitting on democracy.


ROGER!!! LOL!!! Did the ladys' let you out of the closet again to play!! You carry the torch well for HRC and McCain.


Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos encourages Republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton. They know she has to many negatives to beat McCain. A vote for Obama will finish this primary.


Tim: Obama lost MA & CA to hillary after Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Gov. Patrick, Caroline Kennedy and Oprah all endorsed him. Obama will not win MA or CA as both states voted nobama and both states have or had republican Governors so their voters are not afraid to vote republican when there is a reason and the DNC has given us a reason to vote McCain if they nominate Obama.


Jodi,

You are completely wrong. Obama won in Connecticut, Wisconsin, Illinois, Vermont, and many other "behind the curtain" states where voters are free to be racists should they feel the inclination. None of these states are dominated by black voters.

By saying only blacks vote for Obama, you're showing your own racism.


Matt: You are a perfect example of the young niave voter being led around by the nose by Obama and Republicans. You said: "She lost. If she steals the nomination, she will have only pulled it off by disenfranchising voters and delegates, arm twisting superdelegates and spitting on democracy."

FACT: Neither candidate has the number of deligates needed to win the nomination. Most Obamamites agree that the candidate with the most popular vote should be nominated while the rules call for the super deligates to nominate the most electable candidate. There is no contest on popular votes once FL and MI are seated (and they will be) and PA votes. Even without seating FL and MI Hillary will have the most popular vote after PA votes. So when the super deligates nominate Hillary with the most popular votes (no stealing) then we will hear the next whine from Michelle Obama....(the race card player)....Barak Obama should have accepted Hillary's offer for him to be VP because despite his claim at the time that he was in first place and had the most pledged deligates and most popular vote, he knew that he only had the most popular vote because the race was not over yet. He knew that he was misleading folks like you and in fact counted on it.


Both demos are liars, racists, and are not qualified. How do I know? Democrats say so everyday on the web. Angry racist blacks will not vote for Hillary, angry feminists will not vote for Obama. Osama would vote for Obama and Chavez would vote for Hillary. How do I know? Democrats say so on the web.


What is the point of all this discussion. There is only one thing; the first candidate to 2025 delegates. No other facts are relevant.

Trying to persuade superdelegates that one is more electable than the other is pointless until all of the primary elections are over.

Dems, if Rush Limbaugh is urging Republicans to vote for Hillary in the primary, what does that tell you? Rush Limbaugh wants Hillary to run against McCain.

If Wright was going to render Obama unelectable, it would have shown in the polls by now. To the contrary, Obama has maintained and perhaps increased his lead in national polls and has narrowed the lead in PA.

Tell you what Hillarites, we won't question the primaries with all the operation-chaos votes, and you won't denigrate the caucus where people who WILL vote Democratic in Nov. cast their votes.

One last thing, the popular vote is incomplete and can NEVER accurately reflect a true nationwide popular majority. Many strong Obama states voted via caucus (and polls back up the caucus percentages). That's why states like Rhode Island contribute more to the "popular vote" total than states like WA, CO, IA, and others.

The primary works like this: states elect delegates, delegates vote to elect a nominee. Delegates is the official measure of "popular vote".

Clinton is hypocritical. On one hand she says FL and MI must count or else their voters are disenfranchised. On the other hand she says that superdelegates can override the winner of the most elected/pledged delegates. How is one disenfranchising, but not the other? My vote in WA won't count because some unelected Democratic official picks someone else? Rank hypocrisy.

FL and MI voters, Hillary is playing you the fool. She wants you to think she is your friend. A friend sticks up for you when there's nothing to be gained by the friend. Last fall, when the DNC voted to strip FL and MI, was Hillary fighting for you? NO. Was Hillary complaining about your disenfranchisement? NO. She completely signed off on the punishment of FL and MI; she was involved in the decision. Floridians, she's shedding crocodile tears for you now when she sees that she'll get something out of it. Michiganders, same thing.

I admire Hillary's desperate determination, but she's so completely unprincipled I cannot prefer her as the nominee.

That said, I'd vote for her a thousand times before I'd vote for ANY Republican!

Obama-Hillary 08 (or Hillary-Obama 08)!!


Jodi, I'm sure that if the tables were turned and Barack Obama had the exact same primary record as Hillary, you and the Clinton campaign would be fighting for Michigan and Florida to count. Right? Especially after everyone agreed that they would not count as a penalty for both states moving their primary dates. And with Hillary leading in popular vote. C'mon, don't play the stupid card.


Vracer,

If you knew anything about statistics, you'd understand that people "saying so on the internet" is not a sufficiently large or randomized sample from which to draw any conclusions.

That would be like me saying "the majority of Americans are hopelessly ignorant" based solely on reading the postings here. Of course, I have ample other sources from which to draw this conclusion.


Jodi, I am a Barack Obama supporter who is not young or African American. Rather I am a middle aged white woman.

I also am an Independent (ex - Republican) who usually votes Democratic. However, I will not vote for Senator Clinton if she wins the nomination.

In my opinion the current primary results show that Senator Clinton has the support of hardcore Democrats. However with a 47-49% disapproval rating I doubt that she can carry any more voters than those already supporting her. On the other hand I think that Senator Obama will also easily carry those Blue States, has an excellent opportunity to carry many of the Purple States and can even give Senator McCain a run for his money in the Red States.

Even if you assume that 75% of a State's total population voted in their Democratic Primary, Senator Clinton's win of say 60% only translates to 45% of the total votes for that State. Again there is nothing to indicate that Senator Obama also would not be able to win that State.

Stacy


Don't forget; John Kerry was electable.


Ron, You are a moron. If the Clintons could take out contract hits on people, they would do it BEFORE Hillary lost the nomination, not after. Duh!
Seriously, I think it's sad that this woman, who has spent her career in public service, who is so accomplished, and who, people say, "will do anything to get elected" and is so powerful that she can put out contract hits--and yet she's struggling to stay in the race. If this tough Energizer Bunny woman can't make it because of all the misogyny in this country, then the rest of us haven't got a chance. You cretins are only happy if women are in thongs or doing your laundry--and that goes for you airhead women who voted for Obama because he's hot. You think you're so liberated and that there's a level playing field--but the Hillary Clinton story shows how low the glass ceiling is.


Either candidate will smear Mccain. The question is- who will make the better president? Clinton is Corporate backed, while Obama is funded by real Americans, the common people. Corporations are the enemy of the free world. They are not Americans, nor do they have any patriotism to any country or cause outside their own machiavellian devises to steal every last cent from every citizen in the world and subdue us all. They want the middle ages to return today. Obama will fight corporate domination of the entire democratic system, while Clinton will embrace it with open arms and revel in its destruction. You know in your hearts this is the truth. Drop your petty pandering and look at the big picture! Please!


Stacyu | : It is very sad to see if true that a white woman over 40 is not bright enough to see the writing on the wall. The blacks learned to back each other blindly (not all) while women have always been their own worst enemy. If you have a daughter or neice or daughter-in-law then please rethink ......you are being led around by media that will be voting McCain and only pushes Obama now because they know he is without a doubt the easist to beat. Obama will never be President...the choice is now and it is either Hillary Clinton or you will get McCain.,.....and my bet is that by November even you will be saying (if Obama were to be nominated) "What were we thinking" as you vote for McCain. I am from MA and even with Kennedey, Kerry, Patrick, Oprah, Caroline Kennedy endorseing Obama before the primary...this state voted overwhelmingly for Hillary and since we in MA are not afraid to vote republican as we have elected Romney at one point, we will not have a problem voting for McCain who is the true cross over senator and has been for years.

Matt : After the state of PA votes the lead in popular votes is likely to be Hillary's and certain to be Hillary's by June as it is unlikley that Obama wins any more primaries with the exception of NC. So yes even with the lead in popular votes Hillary will fight to seat FL and MI because iot is foolish to think the dems can win those states in Nov. if they are not seated. It is Obama who has been playing the stupid card because he is dealing with young and niave voters that don't know any better. Obama is not stupid and certainly knew these 2 state would be seated and that is why he removed his name from the MI ballot.....that is right hon, his name was on the ballot and he had his name removed because he knew that he would lose MI and wanted to be able to tell you young voters that it wasn't fair coz his name wasn't on the ballot....Believe me Obama knows that his whine will not work at the credentials committee and MI and FL will be seated as voted.

Someone said Obama has won white votes behind a curtain and yes he did earlier but not since the Wright stuff has hit the media......you can't teach your young children white hatred and expect educated whites to continue voting for you.


I find it sad that Jodi feels the way that she does. I'm not anti Hillary...but I am pro Obama. They're both better than the alternative but Obama is just the better, more trustworthy, and even keeled candidate. Hillary seems to adopt positions that suite her own interests. As well, her campaign is full of controversy...I cant wait to hear your response to Mark Penn and his newest free trade issue with Columbia is going to be. Better yet, I'm anxious to see what Pa's response is going to be when they get wind of it.


Lies fall off of HRC's tongue like water dripping from out of a faucet. I am stunned people believe her bs when she says she''ll create 1 million jobs...yeah right. this is PURE false promises and uneducated people fall for it. ask the people of upstate NY about the $100 plus jobs she promised to create for them before she became their senator...she Lies naturally, and has very little conscience. she is KNOWN to have a history of anger, outbursts, temper tantrums and just fly off the handle. Secret service have said as much, and any book about them confirms it. why don't you vote by character and see the clintons have little of it?


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