Clintonite: Wright won't go away

Of course he does. Only the Swampune would think he doesn't.

Todays New Republic says that Rev Jeremiah Wright was a Muslim before becoming a Christian. No wonder Obama is afraid of Wright and this blog is right Jeremaih Wright won't go away and Mc Cain will use it all Fall.
Michelle says somebody will have to lose a slice of the pie in order to have Universal Healthcare and revamped Education.Read socialist, socialist , socialist that's what B Hussein Obama and Michelle both will be.Jerry White,Springfield, IL

A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM FACTCHECK.ORG ABOUT THE RACIST THEOLOGY OF OBAMA''S CHURCH:
The “theology” that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called “black liberation theology.” Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of “theology.” Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.” *** These statements, and this “theology,” are fundamentally racist and divisive. The fact that Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years speaks volumes about his character and judgment, and flies in the face of his pronouncements about his ability and intent to “unite” this country.

Obama made a cynically calculated move by injecting religion (and particularly this church) into the campaign. He has even calling Wright his spiritual mentor. So now he is judged by this because he invited us to judge him by this.
Verily, I say unto thee: As thou livest by the cheap political ploy, so shall ye die!

Of course the republicans won't let this go. How dare the blacks feel they have been put down by the whites. After all...they get to use the same bathroom and evrything now.

Of course it will not go away, they don't have anything else, to beat their drums with. Issues, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the order of the day, not sound bytes!!
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Speaking of Hillary Clinton here's something that won't go away either!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcsWneLqKw&feature=related

I question more why McCain is NOW embracing the white evangelical rightwingers when in the past he denounced them and their preaching of intolerance and hatred. Oh wait, McCain gets a free pass on everything, including the Keating 5 scandal, all the planes he cracked up while in the military (but he's a hero), and all his blatantly wrong info on Iraq that he's repeatedly saying lately.

I wonder how much the Clintons paid to have that published.

Fred, if you really believe that someone as smart and normal as Obama (it's not like people don't know him) subscribes to those views of James Cone (and that that's why he went to that church) then there's no other way for me to understand your point here: it's racist. If a white person was going to a church like that, you would wonder why, but you wouldn't jump to conclusions. Let's not lose our minds here. It's ridiculous to not give Obama the benefit of the doubt and assume that there's some reason (other than hatred of whites) to go to a church like that. For instance, community. Churches are more about community than they are a way for people to publicly declare a belief system. All you have to do is take him at his word, and ask yourself what the most likely explanation is. Of course, for this to work, you have to be able to trust people with a different skin color. Your skepticism, to me, sounds like fear of a black president.

The Clinton campaign isn't "keeping the Wright issue alive." This issue is not going to go away. Period. And it makes Barack Obama un-electable. But apparently the Democrats are either completely out-of-touch with average Americans or they don't really want to win in November.

If Wright will not go then let him stay! This hypocrisy is typical. The Clintons invited Rev. Wright to the White House. And that has "gone away. Focus on issues that are relevant to the conditions of your country. "Is Rev Wright’s incendiary words unique in American pulpits? Francis Schaeffer, who for many years enjoyed the safe haven of Switzerland, sought to build a pseudo “Christian system of thought”. He became the high priest and prophet of the Republican extreme rights. When he died Reagan praised him as a man “whose glorified God”. Really? I am a committed Christian who has been blessed by studying in some of the most best theological faculties in the world. And I agree with the depiction of Francis Schaeffer by the leading British theologian James Barr as “a phoney pseudo-intellectual like Francis Schaeffer”. (See his Exploration in Theology, p. 83). Schaeffer and his disciples across America never once dealt with America’s “original sin”. Never. But he and his disciples were concerned about the “soul” (as if the soul lives apart from the body) that they employed some of the most vicious and incendiary languages and condemnations and even curses upon – far more incendiary and unpatriotic than those used by Wright. They do so by distorting the intent of the Hebrew prophets like Amos, Jeremiah, Hosea, Jonah, Micah and others. Was Schaeffer ever condemned? No. Was the patriotism of his followers ever condemned? NO! Schaeffer’s patriotism has been praised and canonised across conservative America. He was rewarded unearned doctoral degrees in fundamentalist institutions across America. His style has been copied ever since by the political and Christian fundamentalist preachers like the Pat Robertsons or the Oral Roberts the Jerry Falwells and many others. These are actually people whose forbears came to America to drop their chains and benefited on the wealth America accumulated on the slave labour of African-Americans. How many times has Billy Graham, the American most beloved preacher and American presidents’ high priest, proclaimed such condemnations upon America? Schaeffer’s son Francis puts this blatant ambiguity in the American soul thus:
“My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders”.
Yet here we are today, Obama is being held responsible for similar “prophetic” attacks by his pastor – NOT by his mother or father, but by his pastor. Francis Schaeffer remarks that the “hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering? And even Clinton tries to capitalise on this crude spirituality of amnesia. Were there ever death threats and other warnings of violence to Schaeffer? No. Have there ever been „death threats and other warnings of violence“ to the churches of Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Co? No! Robertson even called for the assassination of Hugo Chávez. How Robertson squares such a call with the message of Jesus of Nazareth is staggering. It stem only from American Christian right Jihadism, particularly the type that goes to Schaeffer’s theology – NOT Jesus my Lord and Saviour.

I am one of those lifelong Democrats who will vote for John McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee. This sentiment has nothing to do with race: There are other African-Americans I could support with enthusiasm. My opposition to Senator Obama is the result of his effort to hide his ultra-leftist leanings by talking vaguely about "unity, hope and change." At least with Senator McCain, I will have a clearer idea of what to expect from the next president.

Former Muslim? I really doubt it. I think somebody screwed up their fact check. He was born into a christian family, and ended up, when he came back to college, training as a preacher.

It's the typical idiocy: spread juicy stuff faster than people are able to process it.

I cannot believe that people are still obsessed about Obama's retired, former pastor. Everybody knows and has friends who are racists, chauvinists, etc. You can't demand that people have a witch hunt against their own friends and family when they run for office.

I think that Obama is held to a double standard because very important, powerful people hate what Obama represents: progress, optimism, and change. Most voters want change, progress, and optimism, so none of these elites attack him on those grounds. Instead, these people who are sucking America dry are trying to scare voters away from Obama by trying to tar him with innuendo and guilt by association.

But, look around you, we will all be worse off if we vote for a continuation of the status quo.

No one CARES! - with the exception of those who will not bother to look up the facts about Rev. Wright on any reputable source.

Also, I can find NO article on FACTCHECK to match the above assertion.

What nonsense. Obama's church is predominently white. The head of the church is white. Stop spread malicious hate. Obama will be president. Hillary has no chance. It is time to break with the establishment presidential candidates. We are 300 million strong, can't we find better people than wives of presidents to become president? Will George Prescott Bush run next? Then Chelsea Clinton in 2024? If we have any sense, we would focus on the issues. Issue for issue, Obama is by far the most qualified and best suited person to lead our country. Investment will pour into this country with an Obama presidency! In 2005, Dubai had more direct foreign investment than the US! We need to get back to being number one. Go OBAMA!

Why do reporters still call Hillary's lies, or at least gross exaggerations, about sniper fire in Bosnia "misstatements?"

The above post by "Fred Jones" is complete spam -- it claims to be based on an article from factcheck.org, but no such article was linked to, and no article exists based on a search of their site. This poster has been repeating this on numerous blogs around the internet -- a pernicious form of racist spam.

If this is true, about Rev. Wright begin a Muslim! And the hole thing about his chruch. Why wasn't this all put out there before more than half America voted. How was this kept from the voters for so long. I would think that the Republicans have a great chance of winning in Nov.

It's great that everyone posting here is so attentive to the problem of Reverend Wright's "racism." It's nice to see so many Americans suddenly concerned about this social ill that black Americans have noticed for many years.

Racism is caused by ignorance and fear, but ignorance and fear are not permanent conditions. Martin Luther King and other champions of the civil rights movement were able to make reasonable people question their prejudices and violent behavior.

I'm hoping that Lanny Davis and all the people posting will share the spirit of racial equality and goodwill with Rev. Wright, which should be fairly easy for white Americans in the year 2008.

Let Rev. Wright know that because of the widespread, legalized, systematic racism white people in this country have endured, he should stop saying silly, nonsensical and downright hateful things like this country is run by rich white people.

Maybe you can also remind Barack Obama that he is half white, and that his half-self-hating racism is very confusing not to mention unbecoming!

Ladies and Gentlemen, let's give a big round of applause to our mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers Jeff, Jerry & Fred - truly, the finest examples of "Ugly American" you shall ever behold.

Here is the actual link to the FactCheck article (which, BTW, doesn't even come close to resembling Fred's racist rantings): http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_obama.html

If you guys don't want to vote for Obama, then don't - no one is stopping you. But kindly stop insulting our intelligence by vomiting your hate speech all over the place and pretend you're doing nothing of the kind. You're not the solution - you're part of the problem.

James Oliphant, one of the LIBune's grandest propagandists, a journalist hack who gets his marching orders from moveon.org and Media Matters, let me ask you this? For weeks you and your propagandists in the media kept the George Allen "macacca" story alive. In fact, it was for months. So, why shouldn't the Rev. Wright story be kept alive?

Really, IS there ONE journalist at the World's Sorriest Excuse for a Newspaper who has ANY ability to leave their fanatical left wing propaganda BS out of their "reporting"???

Republicans and the Clinton camp have joined forces! Like Mr. Burns and Henry Potter on the phone together fiendishly plotting.

JEREMIAH WRIGHT; In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

Can't touch that with a 10 foot pole!

By this logic, there should be no Catholics left in the world since all respectful people leave their church when its leaders do something we don't agree with.

Typical clintonista propaganda that has nothing to do with with ethics, character, and qualification to be president. Hillary is a stoned face pathological liar. Not her reverend or rabbi, she is a liar. One of the first thing we teach our children is to always tell the truth. I wonder how Chelsea feels, seeing her mom and dad lying their way thru things. But the again, it was Bill Clinton who had this to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

If you leave it up to the Clintons and the Clinton campaign, Obama just won't go away either! So that's the bottom line, it has nothing to do with "Wright" but everything to do with whomever and whatever has Obama's name on it or their name on Obama. Go Obama go! Obama '08, Obama '12!!!!!

Pearly, don't question my judgement while not demanding that Obama denounce Wright. Or do you believe that 9/11 was really "Americas' chickens coming home to roost?" That's real "hate speech," pearly, and you won't silence me. You don't need me to insult your intelligence, lady. By falling in with Wright you've done a good enough job of that yourself.

The Clinton campaign is making good political theater out of why Barack Obama did not leave the church of the Rev Wright as we have seen in the Clinton campaign. Where it fell short is in intellectual honesty.

Unless you walk in another man’s shoes you can’t say what you would do if faced with the situation such as Barack Obama faced with the Rev. Wright. The Obama critic, Davis, may not share the spiritual bond with his rabbi that Obama does with his minister. He may view his rabbi, as many Jews do, as a highly educated man whose advise is sought on what Jewish law says about life’s conundrums. Obama on the other hand may view Wright as a spiritual brother sharing a bond with his minister and God. If that is the case then changing ministers is not equivalent to changing jobs or rabbis. I believe the issue may be a spiritual one that the Clinton campaign has no business bringing it into the campaign.

What the Clinton campaign hopes is that the issue is race and they hope they can ignite racial intolerance. Rev. Wright earned the right by serving honorably and with distinction during the Viet Nam War to state what he wants about this country. I am sure that he expresses feelings that are shared by many of his race. I think that all whites born at or before the time of Viet Nam can agree that if race were a choice they would select white. If many blacks feel the way Wright does then many Caucasians would feel as angry if society treated them in a like manner. It is not the white man’s fault that African Americans are so angry but if race relations are to improve white people are going to have to engage with men and women like Wright and address their grievances. We have to face black anger with the some of the courage that black demonstrators faced when they protested in Selma, Birmingham and elsewhere.

If you believe in the greatness of America and you want it to be a more perfect union then in order for this country to reach that potential we will have to converse with the likes of Wright with the assistance of a mediator such as Mr Obama

Better race relations are as knotty a problem as Iraq. If we are going to effectively deal with both of these issues we are going to need the leadership of a man like Barack Obama. He defines the problem sets attainable goals and is not confused when those around him obfuscate. His questioning of Petraeus and Crocker in the senate hearings on Iraq did not make good theater; but Obama showed a dogged determination, a respectful demeanor and an ability to circumvent their persistent evasiveness when he formulated a question that if these men are intellectually honest will lead us on a road to exiting Iraq.

The talent of a man to precisely define a problem for men with whom he does not share a similar worldview can be used at a table when whites and blacks sit down together in a spirit of intellectual honesty if not harmony. I believe Obama can do this with Iraq and with minority relations as well. The more I see him, the more I am amazed at what an extraordinary man he is.

ONLY a self-righteous pious individual would JUDGE a man and desert him in his time of need. CHRISTIANS forgive and restore.

And if Lanny wants to prove how noble he is - why is he still aboard the SS Clinton? Bill and Hill have shown their collective OBSCENE morality. Here is a man that took advantage of a young woman on our dime and got himself impeached! And a woman who lied about being under fire - to the American people and the troops, and the BOSNIANS.

Or do you believe that 9/11 was really "Americas' chickens coming home to roost?" That's real "hate speech," pearly, and you won't silence me.
Posted by: Jeff | April 9, 2008 3:46 PM

Hey Jeff, don't be so hard on the Republicans. Just because none of them denounced Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell when they blamed America's sinful ways for 9/11, that doesn't me you should accuse them of supporting hate speech.

Fred Jones,

It is pretty slimy to pretend to quote a report from Factcheck.org in order to spew your own falsehoods. I followed your reference and found that the report actually disaggreed with your main points. Pinning Cone's provocative statements on Wright to tar Obama is a stretch. Such arguments can be easily stretched in any political angle, but seldom get to any truth of the matter. The accurate representation of their analysis and an actual quote is that Factcheck.org "found ample evidence that Obama's church is pro-black, but we found none to support a claim that it is anti-white. Calling it "racist" is, in our judgment, a falsehood."

This issue is dead. Please. Hillary voted for the war in Iraq. Lied about her opposition to NAFTA. Lied about sniper fire in Bosnia. Flip flopped on Michigan and Florida. Can't even manage her campaign let alone the country. I'm glad she is staying in the race because she will cast her family legacy down the well.

Why, you ask did Obama stay with the Pastor and church that hates everything America stands for? Why, because that is what he believes in! or is he just so stupid that he could not see or hear what was so clear . If he is that stupid, lets get rid of the garbage and vote for an American who believs in our country - HILLARY

Why, you ask did Obama stay with the Pastor and church that hates everything America stands for? Why, because that is what he believes in! or is he just so stupid that he could not see or hear what was so clear . If he is that stupid, lets get rid of the garbage and vote for an American who believs in our country - HILLARY

When Hillary is president Jeremy wright will be forgotten. Go Hillary!!

Lanny Davis is a weasel.

The only reason this issue won't go away is because people like him keep bringing it up.

This is pandering at its finest, but not unexpected from the Clinton campaign.

There will be a range of opinions on Rev Wright, so why not form your own opinion? We're being told that the controversial quotes were taken out of context, so why not listen to the entire sermon from which one of the quotes was taken: http://www.rolandsmartin.com/blog/?p=147. This is the only one of the sermons in question that I could find. Less controversial sermons are readily available. I'm sure the other inflammatory sermons will be found by the Republicans when Sen Obama is nominated. Personally, I find them alarming and I can't imagine sitting in his pews for over 20 years, giving him the majority of my charitable contributions, and using his words to entitle my book, as Sen. Obama did.

Fred Jones has to twist articles to his perverted way of thinking and spread lies across the internet in furtherance of his right wing Republic neo-con ideology, otherwise he could not scare enough people into
for another 4 years of war, recession, foreclosures, jobs shipped overseas, minimum wage jobs and every rising poverty.

By the way, Fred Jones who are "most people" that you refer to. You couldn't be talking about most people in the World, because news flash, most people on this planet are not American Anglo Saxon Christians.

Fred Jones has to twist articles to his perverted way of thinking and spread lies across the internet in furtherance of his right wing Republic neo-con ideology, otherwise he could not scare enough people into voting for another 4 years of war, recession, foreclosures, jobs shipped overseas, minimum wage jobs and ever rising poverty.

In 35 years of sermons, Rev. Wright probably preached thousands of hours on biblical text. The Church contrary to popular opinion has White members and regulary had White guests. This would not be true if Trinity was preaching a hate White people theology. In fact the members of Trinity are generally very middle class, financially secure with more than half being Professionals that work with, partner with and fellowship with Whites on a daily basis. It might be the intelligence level of the membership that gave them the ability to differentiate between truth and hyperbole. I know it is that intelligence that gives them the ability to see the hypocrisy that flows from this whole discussion when right wing conservative ministers are revered and a Black minister who utters similar statements is reviled.

By the way, Fred Jones who are "most people" that you refer to. You couldn't be talking about most people in the World, because "news flash", most people on this planet are not American Anglo Saxon Christians.

Lanny Davis is the biggest weasel out of all the self proclaimed Clinton Surrogates!

If this is true, about Rev. Wright begin a Muslim! And the hole thing about his chruch. Why wasn't this all put out there before more than half America voted. How was this kept from the voters for so long. I would think that the Republicans have a great chance of winning in Nov.

Obamas JUDGMENT is seriously flawed. He keeps surrounding himself and injecting himself into controversial issues.

At some point you have to start asking yourself ..maybe he does have something in common with Wright, maybe he does believe in some of his views?

He keeps coming up with excuses and after a while you don't believe him anymore.

Of all the Rev. in Chicago he chooses Rev. Wright and Rev. Meeks to advise him. Both equally radical and polarizing.

Now we find out about his connection to American Terrorists.

Then there is REZKO...and so many more.

He's done the Obama shuffle too long....and now the dust is settling and you can see that he firmly stands in the midst of all this racism and hatred.

This will NOT be our President.

America will not elect a candidate who defends people that promote racism. Americans will not elect a candidate that defends people who promote hatred towards America and the victims of 911.

This democrat will NOT vote for OBAMA and sadly that means I will have to vote for McCain or Nader.

It truly breaks my heart, at the beginning of the nomination process I was for Hillary but would of gladly support Obama. However, this whole Rev. Wright fiasco has changed my mind. I cannot in good conscious vote for someone who either shares Rev. Wrights racism and anti-american sentiment....or at the very least has shown EXTREMELY BAD JUDGMENT!

We are AMERICANs first and Democrats second.

WE MUST DO WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR NATION.

OBAMA’S NEW PASTOR COMPARES REV. WRIGHT TO JESUS -- CHICAGO — The new pastor of Barack Obama’s church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus’ death at the hands of the Romans. In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its “state-sponsored terrorism,” is facing the same challenges Jesus did.”No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching,” Moss said. “The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?” he continued.

I’M SURE OBAMA HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS, EITHER, EVEN THOUGH IT HAPPENED IN JULY OF 2007 -- JERUSALEM – Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence. The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week. Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

OBAMA: DIRTY POLITICIAN FROM THE START --
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

There is a lot to this campaign for the Democratic nomination that defies logic. The supposition that 26% of Hillary "supporters" will vote for McCain if she doesn't win the nomination. Or the constant race baiting fear mongering attributed to these Hillary supporters.
While it is true that that there may be a subset that ascribe to this rhetorical nonsense, if the Hillary supporters truly believed in her stated positions, there is no way they could support McCain. It is not sufficient to blame the lack of support for Obama to a preacher, lack of experience, alleged ties to a land developer, or any other wedge issue. The war, the poor economy, failed health care, the housing crisis should trump any perceived differences, if one truly is troubled by the continuing deaths in Iraq, McCain's inept war mongering, his very poor grasp of the differences between the warring factions in Iraq; his SELF ADMITTED lack of knowledge of any economic issues; his absence of ANY health care policy, or any clue on how to fix the mortgage crisis.
If any Hillary supporter can support McCain in the face of all the above, you MUST question your fervent support of Hillary.
There is an alternative explanation. The Republicans have been known to masquerade as Hillary or Obama supporters to increase division and diversion within the Democratic Party. As long as the chaos continues (the Russ Limbaugh approach) the neo cons will supposedly benefit. Perhaps Hillary herself contributes to and/or encourages such behavior tofurther her own objectives. It will be interesting to see how enthusiastically she will support Obama if she does not win the nomination.
Against John Kerry, in addition to the swift boat attack ads, they had squads of bloggers and other renegades posing as Kerry supporters, and subsequently outed as Republican operatives:
http://laweekly.blogs.com/joshuah_bearman/2004/10/how_they_do_par_1.html
I suspect that the continuing attacks on Obama are a combination of Republican mischief and Hillary opportunism.
Be wary of these rabid "Hillary supporters", who would rather have McCain than Obama. It is fine to support your Democratic candidate of choice, but when it is all said and done, we MUST win the White House to change this country's direction.

The Clintons are the worst type of racists and Lanny Davis is their lackey bagman.