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Posted April 27, 2008 7:00 PM

The Swamp

by Mark Silva

For Howard Dean, the Democratic National Committee chairman who launched his own campaign for president five years ago on the wings of a nascent anti-war movement, the sixth year of the war in Iraq offers fertile ground for his party's 2008 campaign.

And Dean's party, which has taken on a TV ad campaign against Republican candidate John McCain while it waits for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to resolve a war of their own, is focusing on just a few war words of the GOP's presumptive nominee.

How long might American troops be committed to Iraq?

"Maybe 100.... that'd be fine with me,'' McCain had said at a campaign appearance in January. He was speaking, of course, of a non-combatant role, much like the deployment of U.S. forces in Germany following World War II or in South Korea. But his critics have taken advantage of those words to attach McCain's name to a 100-year war.

And the DNC is replaying those words in the second in a series of TV ads targeting McCain. "We're not arguing that he's going to be at war for 100 years,'' Dean said today on NBC's Meet the Press. "We don't think we ought to be in Iraq for 100 years under any circumstances. Think of the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being spent in Iraq, which we need right here at home right now to preserve American jobs ...

"Does anyone think, who's watching this show, that if you keep our troops in Iraq for a hundred years, people won't be attacking them and won't be setting off suicide bombs and won't be having militias go after them? I don't think so. And most Americans don't think so. What Sen. McCain is saying doesn't make any sense.''

Now Dean is hardly anti-war. When he set out for a cross-country tour for his presidential campaign in the summer of 2003, he attempted to assure voters that he could indeed carry out a responsibility that falls to many commanders-in-chief.

"As the commander in chief of the United States' military forces, I will never hesitate to send American troops anywhere in the world to defend our country," Dean told a crowd in Falls Church, Va., at the start of his "Sleepless Summer' tour that year. "But I will never send our sons and daughters and children to die in a foreign country without telling the truth to the American people.''

But a rival in the '04 campaign, Democrat Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who was and remains a staunch supporter of the war in Iraq, worried that anti-war rhetoric would doom the party to the results that George McGovern had once delivered: "That kind of candidate could lead the Democratic Party into the wilderness, a ticket to nowhere."

Now, with 63 percent of Americans surveyed calling the deployment of U.S. forces in Iraq a mistake -- a peak in the Gallup Poll's surveys of war sentiment -- Dean is banking once again that a candidate's support for the war might be his undoing. It matters little if it's a "100-year war'' or simply the six-year war with which McCain, like Lieberman, an adamant supporter of the administration's latest war strategy, will be running.

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6,000 plus suicides among our 25 MILLION veterans yearly.


In short, these unnamed "critics" of McCain (golly gee, could they be Democrats?) deliberately distorted what McCain actually said about Iraq.

But don't worry about the press, "critics". Distort all you want. As long as you distort what Republicans say, the press won't call you on it. In fact, the press will publicize your distortions.


"100-year war?" Those aren't McCain's words at all.

Everyone knows he said as in the case with South Korea and Japan, that our troops would be only stationed there in limited numbers with the approval of the Iraqi government, once Iraq is secure enough for the Iraqi government to control everything.

I believe this attempt my Howard Dean is utterly despicable, bringing out his truly deceitful, hard left colors.

Howard Dean is a joke.


EXCELLENT Ad. People don't see the cost of the war. Americans NEED to see this ad.


I guess it's okay for the left to spin McCain's words about a hundred year [war]---- but don't you dare mention anything about Obama's Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko and 1970's terrorist friend William Ayers.

And to have Dean as a democratic chaiman is a joke....AYEEEEEEE!

Paulo


It is perfectly true that an Iraq withdrawal will require something very painful: admitting a colossal strategic mistake. This is the #1 unbearable disgrace for Republicans and all other core backers of the war and occupation. The #2 disgrace would be payment of reparations to Iraq through a UN or World Bank trust. #3 would be the outrage of the post-occupation Iraqi government resolving the oil issue on its own terms, possibly contracting French, Russian, and Chinese firms, while leaving US or UK firms on the sidelines.

Self-denial, vanity, fear to face the music, and greed are at play. It has nothing to do with US security. The fiasco has made us less secure, drained lives and money, and now we are the laughingstock of much of the world.

Don't believe in polls? Well, how about the value of the US dollar on world exchanges?

Let Iraqis rule Iraq, whether by federation, partition, or unitary state. Any model we impose will crumble the day we leave, whether that occurs now or in 100 years. Iraq will not be pro-US, pro-Israel, or pro-anything we favor so long as we occupy them, or as long as we contrived to have privileged access to their oil.

Medieval Europeans wasted 250 years on their venture. Better to learn from them, plus from Britain's troubles in Iraq in the 1920s onward, rather than repeat a futile imperial exercise.

The trillion plus we waste in Iraq could have done so much more for our security or economy if spent on just about anything else.

"be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" Who said that?


He kicked your republican butt righteously in 2006 LC and YOU KNOW it.
And we'll do it again with Hillary's help.


Hillary Clinton is handing the November victory to McCain so she can run and win in 2012. As with the Bosnia sniper fire delusion, she suffers from a fantasy that she is the front-runner, and with her forever shifting goalposts, her new fuzzy math and kitchen-sink-sewer, failed and bankrupt campaign, wants Obama to give her FREE AIR TIME to debate her for the TWENTY-SECOND time. I am a feminist older than Mrs. Clinton and as an American patriot, I need to do the right thing and tell Mrs. Clinton and sex-addicted impeached Bill, shut up already! The Clinton dynasty has been spoiling not just Obama's race in November but also the entire Democratic Party and its representatives'--congressmen, governors, district officers, mayors, etc, etc--ability to win in future elections. Bill is fighting Obama to return to the WH for a third term, and Obama has been fighting not just two Clintons (both playing every dirty card in politics) but also the GOP and the mainstream media who want to see the contest continue and their high ratings maintained. To claim Senator Obama is not electable because he is black is to say that only white Americans, like Bill and Hillary, can become President, as they have for over 200 years. No Native, Hispanic, or Asian American need apply as well. Is this what we want for our republic? Senator Obama MUST denounce and reject Hillary's shameless agenda, to gain free public airtime off his back. He MUST stop treating Hillary as an older white woman like his mother and therefore to be respected, and show her for the corrupt (25 million dollars gained from influence peddling last year alone), lying (Bosnia sniper fire), bullying (Judas name-calling), ruthless (just look at her ads), unelectable (highest negatives ever in a presidential candidate, and negatives increasing every day) small human that she is. He MUST begin to draw the contrasts in campaign tone, character, and track record on community work and protection of our constitution that show Hillary as the base fear-mongering, saber-rattling candidate that she is.


You are correct, Bruce. The clip is taken out of context. Apparently, however, that reflects the current rules of the game (as can be seen by the media and right-wing attacks on the Democrats). You can thank the architect of the Bush administration, Mr. Rove, for fundamentally altering the rules of the game with respect to requiring anybody to analyze factual content.


Now that we've agreed on the fact that the quote was taken out of context, if Mr. McCain would please clarify for those of us on the "radical left" just what benchmarks we wants to apply to mark the end of the unwarranted invasion of a sovereign nation based on misrepresentations of shoddy intelligence and fear-mongering and would enlighten us as to how many additional people need to die, how much my children and grandchildren should be expected to pay (and for how long) to have themselves "protected" from a non-existent threat and give me, please, a rough order of magnitude of when he believes that can be accomplished, I'm more than willing to listen. Until that time, however, any continuation of our occupation of Iraq seems misguided, at best.


If and when he comes up with any kind of sensible, measurable benchmark to replace his comment about 100 years (other than our military doing him the courtesy of not dying and the Iraqi government becoming "stable" although neither of these seems altogether too probable), I am sure that the DNC will withdraw the ad. Pending this outcome and the suspension of the laws of physics, however, I suspect his comment is probably reflective of his best estimate as to how long dedicated American soldiers can be expected to be dying in Iraq, leaving family and friends behind to mourn their sacrifice in pursuit of a war that was initiated with no concept of an exit strategy.


P.S. - Has he learned the difference between Sunni and Shiite yet? Or will he still need his seeing-eye dog Lieberman at his side to whisper in his ear so that he can extract his foot from his mouth?


What Russert needed to follow-up with was "Dr. Dean, are you suggesting that the United States has been occupying Japan and South Korea for the past 50 years? Because that's what it sounds like from your rhetoric." Howard Dean is a joke. He went from saying everyone has to follow the rules to saying he hoped Florida and Michigan would be seated at the DNC. What a pathetic excuse for a leader.


The Democrats are making the wrong argument with McCain's words.

What the Democrats should be saying is, "Listen to McCain. He said we'll stay as long as our troops are not being maimed or killed." Well, they ARE being maimed or killed so LET'S LISTEN TO JOHN MCCAIN AND GET OUT!


Howard Dean is the GOP's favorite angry, mean spirited idiot who, along with their "dream team" will give the GOP the White House after 8 horrible years...

Who'd have thunk it?


McCain is a dumb old man, anyone who would joke about bombing Iran, talk about staying in Iraq for 100 years and calls his rich trust fund 2nd wife derogatory names in front on the press has NO business being a candidate for President...PERIOD!


Full story:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html


Listen to McCain try an weasel his way out of his 100 years in Iraq statement, what a phony flip-flopper!


Not only did McCain say it, he said it over and over again when he was trying to win over the knuckledragging rightwing luntic fringe voters during the Republic Party primary.


John W McBush - 100 years in Iraq would be fine by him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2kyXN4ZVQg


John W McBush sings bomb bomb Iran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tScqLhPaJEM



James Carville, Nov. 16, 2006: "Democratic strategist James Carville yesterday said Howard Dean should be replaced as chairman of the Democratic National Committee for failing to pursue a greater margin of victory in last week’s midterm elections.

“I would describe his leadership as Rumsfeldian in its competence,” Mr. Carville said during a meeting with reporters.

Carville is as dirty as a campaigner as there is but no one can say he's not a winner. Dean, not so much.


Howard ( AAARRRGGGHHH !!! ) Dean, Hillary ( WATCH OUT FOR ALL THOSE SNIPERS ! ) Clinton, Barack ( I aint black, my mom's WHITE ! ) Obama.

Who are the Republicans best friends ?

THE DEMOCRATS ! :)


As a 30+ year Democrat,all I can say is that Dean's socialistic influence over the party will eventually cause its downfall and even the country's. if they are able to pull this election out. Comrade Dean's goal would be to simply refocus those war dollars into handouts so that even the lazy would be rewarded. We are already a lazy society - Dean's way would just take it past the point of no return.


Nobody is talking about this.
We have a hundred and fifty thousand troops in Iraq and the Iraqis total over four hundred thousand. The enemy has some two thousand
ill-equipped, rag-tagged, poorly organized and poorly led fighters. Isn't there something wrong with this picture? Add to this, the general's comment that after five years whatever gains we may have made are reversible. That should be shocking to all Americans. It this the history of the USSR in Afghanistan repeating itself in Iraq? Seemingly, the sword of Gideon is in the hands of the other side. The words of Reverend Wright may be worth another look. But man has never handled prophecies very well, especially true ones.


The Wanna-Bees, Senator McCain and former Governor Huckabee, will bring more catastrophy to America and the rest of the world. As their mentor, President Bush did in his elections, so they will do, in their attempt to sneak into our White House!! They will mislead the voters, they will misinform the voters and above all, they will tell the voters what they want to hear. All of this occurring, as in the last two presidential elections, as the press plays on!! The fourth estate has abandoned its traditional role of the unbiased observer, it now has undisguised cheerleaders for the various candidates and Parties. All of this, on their part, for the good life on easy street, hiding under the banner: I'm doing it for my family. I am betraying the sacred trust that had developed between a free press and the American nation, so that my family can eat and sleep better, and have the finer schools available, as well as the finer things in life!!! That is a " fine kettle of fish ". they have left for us to sort out, with no doubt the worst administration America has ever had the misfortune to experience. If they had been doing their job, even, just professionally, President Bush and Vice-President Cheney would never have been elected, but unfortunately for the nation, someone was waving a thick steak at them and they were distracted. I hope they have come to their senses, but, by the indicators, with Senator McCains transgressions not being mention, nor any of his " DOUBLESPEAK ", being covered and printed widespread, we have another Bush-like presidency in the making, with the help of journalistic collusion, or so it seems!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.


For all those who think that the War in Iraq was a "mistake" do you all also believe that leaving Saddam Hussein as President of Iraq for 10 years or more, with his two murderous thug sons Uday and Qusay ready to take over upon his natural death, would have been better.

What all those "63%" are essentially saying is that they support Saddam Hussein as President of Iraq and that we should have never removed him.

There's no escaping that conclusion. And I notice The Swamp and other hard-left liberal media never bring that up.


Obama is our Savior. Obama, Ayers, and Reverend Wright are Right! God D*** america! The stupid, bitter, racist "typical white people" of pennsylvania voted for clinton. How disgusting, now they have even more blood on their hands! They ignored their opportunity to redeem themselves for their racist past - slavery - and finally make Michelle proud. How sad. Please no hater responses, but you bitter, typical Indiana white people, please stop buying guns and save it for my reparations check! Obama ''08, Repartions Check, ''09! http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/racism/0108 27.reparations.html


Posted by: Obamamania | April 28, 2008 7:31 AM

Howdy Slim...I am fresh out of sheets and wondered if I can borrow a sheet for tonights meeting? I ran in to your sister yesterday and sorry to hear you two are now divorced.


Some one should ask McCain directly:

If, 5 years from now the situation in Iraq hasn't improved, should the US leave? 10? 20? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100?


How many years of death is enough Senator McCain?


Michael, if you'd listened to McCain's entire answer you'd know that no deaths is the only answer that's acceptable to him.
His full answer included "as long as no Americans are dying I would have no problem with us keeping a military presence in a very volatile part of the world, and I hope you wouldn't, either."

Alas, Howard the failure won't show the full answer in his commercial.


Jeff, but how many years of death does McCain think we should stick it out for? What if Americans are still dying by the hundreds in ten years? Should we still be there then? That's the real question, not McCain's "no deaths" fantasy.


That's a different question, entirely, Michael and you know for a fact that McCain didn't even address it in the video that Howard's trying to distort. Admit that and then we'll go from there.


Why won't he address it Jeff?It's a very important question, that's why my original post in this thread stated that it should be addressed to him directly.

How many more years of US deaths is enough for McCain?


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