Obama's view of God and guns in PA

When Ted Sorensen isn't helping him formulate what come sout of his mouth, it's interesting the bias, the racism, the sexism, the ageism that is
the obama campaign.
It's not gonna help us win, folks.
When will the Obama kids realize the Hilary campaign and supporters are not the enemy? We're the way out!
Too bad Barack didn't stick up for John Edwards while he had the chance--but young Barry wanted his time in the limelight.
How sad.

Being someone originally from a small town in Pennsylvania who actually went somewhere, Obama does have a point. These people in these small towns just do not get it that these jobs are not coming back and they need to move on if they want a better life for themselves and their kids. I did well in school and got out of rural PA as soon as I could. I have to say though as much as I love these comments, I think Obama stepped in it. Clinton and McCain should be prepared to exploit this to the full extent.

This current Swamp item will go great with this lovely old Swamp Item-"Obama: My wife sees need for rural gun ownership" http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/11/obama_my_wife_sees_need_for_ru.html
I'd love to know how he went from wanting guns out of respect for the tradition to wanting guns out of frustration. Maybe he's pandering, maybe he's just intellectually lazy, but he has never been, and never will be, the subtle man his media cheerleaders would like to make him out to be. Maybe they'll come to terms with this on the third year of his presidency, after nothing but press stories meant to clarify the Senator.

What Obama really said is now taken out of context by Camp clinton who are so desperate….
Full transcript of Obama’s coment:

OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy. That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.

Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.

But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

The only explanation is that it is out of context. Obama is most decent and inspirational leader of our time. Give him a break as he has given many to Hillary.

The big town liberal elite Seantor has spoken. Sounds just like Gore and Kerry and he will meet the same fate.

I think John McCain's assessment was correct, that Obama has an elitist attitude and cannot relate to the working class people. I also admire greatly what Hillary Clinton said, that she didn't see bitter voters in Pennsylvania, that she saw hard working people trying to make their lives better for themselves and their children. She could have attacked Obama, but instead she took the high road, plus she personalized it to her experience in meeting voters in PA.

How does Hillary plan to fix the problems of small town America when she can't even recognize what's wrong ?

Does the reluctance of the Obama campaign to make Obama available to the gay press...as written about in Politico this week... have anything to do with the potentially explosive story of Larry Sinclair, and the Obama campaign's desire to avoid dealing with related questions?

http://bigheaddc.com/category/larry-sinclair/

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/

This story has received no main stream press coverage, yet, but if there is any substance to it it will come out, and would be devastating to Obama in a General Election.

Sinclair seems like a nut to me, but then that would probably be a prerequisite for the activities he describes.

Could you imagine the Main Stream Media sitting on this story if there were similar allegations, and a federal court case, involving McCain or Clinton? They've reported more scurilous rumors about Hillary at the drop of a hat...e.g. her assistant Huma.

I've read that the LA Times is one of those news organizations that has been working this story, but has been too afraid of the potential blowback the NY Times got for their McCain lobbyist story.

How does Hillary plan to fix the problems of small town America when she can't even recognize what's wrong ?

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She has been talking about the home crisis since last year and the need to freeze foreclosures, and how the economy can go into recession. She has been actively talking about policies and the needs of America, while Obama keeps preaching HOPE HOPE HOPE, yet he admits to not knowing a lot about the economy and needing advisors. She has also been saying for awhile the need for America to bring back manufacturing jobs and the steel industry, as well as green collared jobs. She also talked about making a Czar on poverty, so that there is an actual establishment that focuses on poverty in America. You just haven't been listening.

"Does the reluctance of the Obama campaign to make Obama available to the gay press...as written about in Politico this week... have anything to do with the potentially explosive story of Larry Sinclair"

The same Larry Sinclair whose story is full of holes and who swore that a lie detector test would vindicate him -- and then he bombed it? That Larry Sinclair?

As harsh as it sounds that is the reality that people in small towns all over America have been dealt for over 25 years, although Obama is the wrong person to have spoken about it. Year after year politicians have gone to these small towns and bleeted cursorily about helping them out, but in the end all they get left with is gun rights, religion is the bedrock of everything, blame it on blacks, mexicans, and anti gay blither. In Pennsylvania especially, and in rural areas in particular they go for the Republicans every time, and it is the Republicans who have screwed these people the most.

Hillary, of course, is going to use this to full effect and will find that it will get her absolutely nowhere. She promotes herself as being a caring politician, but it was her salesmanship (or saleswomanship) which helped push NAFTA through.

Okay, I'm beyond giving him chances. I'm from a small town in Pennsylvania, too, Ryan and I'm here to tell you that Obama has absolutely no point. Certainly not one that he knows growing up in wealth in Hawaii and going to private schools.

Let's analyze the whole quote:

" You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

Who is this rich child of privilege to judge them? How dare he do exactly what he condemns others for doing to him: develop and articulate a prejudice against everyone who's not like him.

Oh, and Rank quit making excuses. He's an elitist POS pure and simple. This isn't the first time he's let it slip. His grandmother still isn't out from under that bus.

Posted by: Torrie Crocker | April 11, 2008 7:29 PM

*Torrie, why don't you tell us how John McCain is not an "elitist"?, he divorced his first wife because he was having an affair with a wealthy woman ( current wife # 2) because her family was financially able to finance his political dreams and now he supports continuing Bush's tax cuts for the most wealthy Americans at a time when our economy is in the tank*

The $110 Million Dollar Billary Machine has their finger on the pulse of rural America. See next for full exploitation by Billary. About as believable as the Sniper fire story, but what else would you expect?

Scoop, are you kidding me? Could this be the "bombshell" that Hillary's sitting on?

I guess then Obama agrees with separating the first and second amendments as being argued by the supreme court. We have the right to keep and bear arms and then there is the militia part which some people are trying to say would be just the National Guard.
Here in Pa, people hunt. Big City Obama is an arrogant ass. We in Pa. are proud that we helped draft the constitution and we want to keep it AS IS. We generally are pretty bright people. What the hell does agreeing with the right to keep and bear arms have anything to do with not having jobs? OH I get it, to him it's our fault for losing jobs because we have a lot of rural area we live in and to him we must be dumb for doing that. MY family have been fighting for this country since Revolutionary war times up to and including the Iraq war. MY family started towns and post offices and sat on school boards. Most of my family had/has IQ's well beyond average and some are geniuses, but we none of us are stupid enough to generalize such as Obama just did with that statement. I'd say Obama "been" asshole is just a little unhappy we don't buy into his twisted logic in Pa. (I don't take money from oil companies, THAT commercial puts down the intellect of Americans, BY LAW no candidate can take money from corporations, BUT they can take money from individuals in those same corporations and Obama and for that matter Hillary did that.) Only difference is JUST LIKE BUSH, OBAMA is COUNTING ON THE AVERAGE AMERICAN TO BELIEVE RHETORIC.
As far as religion and clinging to it, well guess Obama lied about being Christian, and is he says clinging to religion is a fault, maybe we should revisit those so-called sermons from that so-called preacher that INSPIRED OBAMA Maybe he inspired him to attempt to pull the wool over our eyes to further Obama's "agenda?"
Gee, I'd say Obama is a slick big city lawyer and you KNOW what you hear about THEM, thay cannot be trusted (generalizing just like HE did here).

Oh, and Rank quit making excuses. He's an elitist POS pure and simple. This isn't the first time he's let it slip. His grandmother still isn't out from under that bus.

Posted by: Jeff | April 11, 2008 9:03 PM

Nice to see that your back to cheerleading for Hillary...
Who were you calling an "elitist"?

McCain's Marriage Is Key To His Fnances:

"Wife made millions in beer industry, keeps most assets in her name"

Sharon Theimer, Associated Press

Friday, April 4, 2008

(04-04) 04:00 PDT Washington --

"On a spring day last year at a speedway in the South, John McCain posed with his wife, Cindy, and racing star Dale Earnhardt Jr., highlighting the couple's political and business interests in a single snapshot".

"The Arizona senator served as honorary starter of the NASCAR race that weekend in Charlotte, N.C. Earnhardt drove the Budweiser car, painted military camouflage, rather than its trademark red, to honor the troops".

"Budweiser, then NASCAR's official beer, is brewed by Anheuser-Busch Cos. Inc., whose products have made Cindy McCain and her family a fortune".

"The brewer sold toy replicas of its race car to aid the Special Operations Warrior Foundation and publicized its support for the group, on whose board John McCain served and whose chairman later endorsed him. The speedway appearance helped McCain court NASCAR voters, and his campaign circulated video of the event on the Internet".

"The McCains' marriage has mixed business and politics from the beginning, according to an expansive review by the Associated Press of thousands of pages of campaign, personal finance, real estate and property records nationwide. The paperwork chronicles the McCains' ascent from Arizona newlyweds to political power couple on the national stage".

"Worth $100 million-plus
As heiress to her father's stake in Hensley & Co. of Phoenix, Cindy McCain is an executive whose worth may exceed $100 million. Her beer earnings have afforded the GOP presidential nominee a wealthy lifestyle with a private jet and vacation homes at his disposal, and her connections helped him start his political career - even if the millions remain in her name alone. Yet the arm's-length distance between McCain and his wife's assets also has helped shield him from conflict-of-interest problems".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/04/MNKRVVATR.DTL

We all need to have more respect for ourselves and for our fellow humans. We must strive to recognize the individual worth of each person, rather than reduce and categorize each other.
One way to show respect for fellow humans is to refuse to endorse or support exhibition of dead and mutilated human beings, particularly those of non-consenting, possibly murdered people, like that advertised on the right-hand side of this web page.

This is such a joke, if anyone here thinks that any of the three Presidential candidates aren't rich "elitists" than you need to pull you your head out of your backside.

"Clintons made nearly $109M since 2000"

By JIM KUHNHENN and DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
Fri Apr 4, 7:34 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Clinton made nearly $109 million since they left the White House, capitalizing on the world's interest in the former first couple and lucrative business ventures.

The Clintons reported $20.4 million in income for 2007 as they gave the public the most detailed look at their finances in eight years. Almost half the former first couple's money came from Bill Clinton's speeches.

The tax returns are a portrait in post-presidential success. The Clintons, who had lived in taxpayer-paid housing in the governor's mansion in Arkansas or the White House for years, left the presidency struggling with a legal defense fund stemming from a spate of investigations. They now are wealthy enough that she could lend her presidential campaign $5 million earlier this year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_taxes

Everyone who hasn't already seen Obama's response to this media-created controversy and the Clinton-McCain tag team response needs to see it. It shows why he'll be a stronger candidate up against McCain. And for these reasons as well: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html

To: Jeff V.

This Larry Sinclair that the Attorney for the Obama Puerto Rico campaign yesterday went on the most popular TV Show in Puerto Rico making some strong statements about me that he and the Obama campaign will now have no choice but to address.

And their are more holes in the polygraph test and the results than you have in your head, which seem to be many.

I suggests you ask Obama why his Attorney claims my allegations are a smear by the other campaigns. Looks like your boy is getting scared and jumpy to have such official statements made on live TV.

Obama has a pathetic way of saying absolutely nothing of value.....I wll be glad when all of this is over and he can go home to Chicao and play with his unseemly friends..Maybe then the good people of Pa. can forget how he insulted them...............

I don't need to see his response. I already saw his condescending, elitist statement. Why should I give him a second chance to insult me? Or in Obama's case, tell me I should thank him for insulting me. Reverend Wright has clearly taught him well.

John, why shouldn't Cindy keep her money in her name? You have a problem with women running businesses or being powerful? I should've pegged you for a sexist a long time ago. Anyway, ya got nothing on Cindy. That's all been known for years. And none of it makes Obama any less of an elitist jerk. Diversionary tactics won't work on this one. He insulted hardworking americans in small towns all across America. He'll make a halfhearted apology tomorrow and then we'll just wait to see which Obama, Barack or Michelle, insults our nation next.

BEST assessment of this story.
Obama's response should not be missed either.
If CNN is saying this, who isn't?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G8dRMofHNs&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/235050/410/205/494075

He makes these comments at a SAn Francsico fundraiser among his rich liberal base - so he takes a jab at the working folks in "fly-over country" by criticizing them for their positions on guns, gays, and their belief in religion. Three hot-button issues to the Bay Area liberals.

And this guy is the "Uniter"?

Oh, and Rank quit making excuses. He's an elitist POS pure and simple. This isn't the first time he's let it slip. His grandmother still isn't out from under that bus.

Posted by: Jeff | April 11, 2008 9:03 PM

You gotta love this. The biggest supporter of the man so out of touch with the American people that he says the government won't help with the housing crisis. What Obama said is totally acurate. McBush is the man who went to Wisconson and Michigan and told the people he'll bring the jobs back. What BS. He'll say anything for a vote. People in PA have every right to be bitter. This government has let them and so many more down it is a wonder there hasn't been a revolution yet.

Let's break down this argument about elitism. First, one person making the argument is the son and grandson of top military brass who married into money. The other are a pair of highly educated professional politicians who have earned more money in the last few years than many of the towns in PA they've visited. And now they're suggesting that everybody's a bright happy cheery worker all that time, or that the political emphasis on wedge issues is all simply the result of pre-existing Americana.

Far be it from us to say that Americans might not be happy in the position that they are, that they may in fact be bitter about the way Washington has consistently screwed them over.

What's really elitist are Republicans emphasizing these issues knowingly designed in their presentation to divide people, to get them to vote against their economic interests. What's really elitist are candidates saying one thing about trade, then having their campaign managers and spouse send another message.

Watch this video, and you tell me whether his sentiments are elitist, or whether Barack Obama is simply saying what everybody else is thinking in this country: that we are angry, frustrated, and bitter about government in Washington, and that we need real candidates to offer Americans real, concrete leadership in the election and the years ahead, not more sanctimonious, patronizing sympathy from those who want people to be constantly offended and constantly distracted from what's really going wrong in their lives.

Bill R,

You are correct when you state "This government has let them and so many more down .."
Gov't education - a let down.
Gov't retirement funding - a let down
The lsit goes on. And yet, you are rooting for the guy that calls for more and bigger gov't?

I think this article (Sorry Trib) sums all this elitist talk up for me:

4-11-08
NEIL STEINBERG Sun-Times Columnist

Opening shot...
George Orwell famously described his family as "lower-upper-middle class," and while that sounds good -- better than the regular "middle class" dissected by the Pew people this week -- it has drawbacks.

Wealth is relative. If your neighbor has a goat and you have a cow, then you're a rich man, at least until you meet a guy with a herd of cows.

Wealth is relative. If your neighbor has a goat and you have a cow, then you're a rich man, at least until you meet a guy with a herd of cows.

The benefit of being in the middle is you're surrounded by people whose station is not unlike yours. Once you reach the margins -- the hem of prosperity -- the view can be dizzying. I thought we were sitting pretty when we splurged on an industrial Wolf stove. Then the guy across the street put in a Wolf twice the size of ours -- in case he has to boil an ox, I guess -- and we slipped a bit down the greasy pole.

Learn to be satisfied with what you have, whatever that may be, the Buddhists tell us, and you will be better than rich, you'll be happy. I subscribe to that ideal, or try to, and could do it, if what I had was a few new sofas and a flat screen TV. Someday.

JDS--CNN is full of BS. Their bosses want more BHO CASH.
And the anchors and 'commentators' want more overtime CASH.
Time for junior to fold into Hilary's campaign and rescue his career.
Running away (isn't there a Monty Python bit about that?) on an Israel junket promises more overtime cash, more advertising, more ratings for the networks so he can get more good press.
It's a GAME! AND WE AIN'T IN IT. So for him to call anyone a bitter little person is, well, probably true. But at least we fight the bitterness.
But seriously, Barack lacks judgment. Taking Casey (hated by Democrats in PA as an opportunist) around with him was a huge lapse of judgment. Casey got what he needed --a 3 million dollar printing contract from Obama's group for his sister's Scranton print shop (Universal). (lead baloon #1)
And then instead of delivering medals as promised to the family of a dead U.S. Soldier (in Iraq, of course) Casey STOOD THEM UP at the last minute cuz he had to campaign with Obama (somebody had to buy those new boots so Obama wouldn't have to wear the germ booties in the cow barn--gotta look hip and 'young' and with it, doncha know). (lead baloon #2).
And then after voting present in Illinois government on gun suppression (say that's not a problem in his district is it?) Obama goes and makes the bitter guns religions little people comment (lead baloon #3).
That's three strikes.
If anybody can reclaim his career--it's the Clintons. Run to mama, Barry, not bubbie.

People are so sick. It's amazing how they want to demonize Obama for having his pulse on America. Hillary and McCain are so angry they did not say this first because Obama is absolutely correct. I've lived in Pennsylvania a long time and it's ironic because me and someone else were just speaking about this yesterday, how the Dixie Cup plant is closed down, the mills, the job losses, the economy, the Iraq spending of $12 billion a month and that's why the gas prices are what they are, why the economy is like it is, people spending over $100 for one or two pills because they have no health insurance. So Hillary and McCain and the media need to stop with this politicizing and Obama bashing over this because he is absolutely correct. Thank you, Senator Obama!!