Rockefeller apologizes to McCain

Shut up rich kid who never made a dollar that he didn't inherit from his republican relatives.

It's more than an "inaccurate" analogy. This milquetoast who never worked a day in his life insulted McCain and every member of the US Armed Forces. Isn't it great when the democrats tell you how they really think?

It says a lot that the other rich scion of diplomats, Obama, won't condemn this idiot's tasteless remarks.

I don't see what is untrue about Rockefeller's statement. The bomber's conveniently fly away not seeing the suffering and innocent lives that are crushed. Yes, war is war, but the statement is still true.

Jeff, what's inaccurate in Rockefellers staement?

McCain did kill from 35,000 feet, did he not? Does McCain know what the results of his missile and bobbs hitting were? No, he doesn't. Does he care?

Sorry Jeff war isn't glory and heroism. It's a kid getting burned alive by nepalm. It's an elderly farmer who never left his home village getting his arm blown off. It's a pile of corpses beginning to rot as a plane flies off into the sunset. That's war. Every war, including all the future wars McCain wants to get us into. It's not some movie with a happy ending, it's Evil distilled.

If McCain wants to take credit for being a hero in the war, he also needs to be man enough to take credit for the destruction he was a part of. He needs to acknowledge the blood on his hands if he want to hide behind his military service.

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This Democrats' hatred of the military really came out in Rockefeller's statement. He managed to indict every brave American who has ever flown a plane in bombing an enemy, whether WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Afghanistan or Iraq. Maybe all the bomber crews who lost their lives in World War II and in the other conflicts would have a different version of what they courageously faced. Or maybe Mr. Rockefeller would have wanted to trade places in the Hanoi prison with Senator McCain after his plane was shot out of the sky in one of Rockefeller's discredited bombing raids. No, I thought not.

Jeff, the Democratic party has a history of dissing those serving in the military: From Jay Rockefeller to John Kerry (who thinks they are all stupid) to Nancy Pelosi to Hillary and Bill Clinton to Dick Durbin, the Democratic party hates the military. Nothing new there,

"This Democrats' hatred of the military really came out in Rockefeller's statement."

Danforth, it's not hatred of the military, it's hatred of war. It's the understanding that war is the worst of humanity's activities. It's understanding just how completely destructive an evil war is. War is NEVER to be gloried in, because there is nothing glorious about it.

You and your Republican friends may love war (at a distance usually) but thankfully there are people who understand it's true nature and fight against the glorification of war and killing, people and the massive loss of innocent life that accompanies any war.

Michael, it has to do with class and respect for the people that guarantee Rockefeller's freedom of speech. I don't expect you, of all people, to realize that it's not the lawyer or the journalist that keeps this country free, but rather the pilot, the soldier, and the sailor who don't bomb, shoot, torpedo or kill our enemies because they want to, but rather to protect our way of life and guarantee every american's rights. You're a particularly evil and vile idiot, Michael.

Michael, no one understands the horrors of war better than John McCain, who fought in one and spent five years in a POW prison for all of us. Two of McCain's sons are in the military and one has already served in this war, so HOW DARE YOU question how much McCain hates war from the comfort of your laptop. The McCains are the "people who understand it's true nature." Not the Obamas or the Clintons.

Your liberal oversimplification is repellent. By pulling out of every war we engage in the United States would simply send the message to Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and the rest that attacks on the United States will be tolerated. For too long we followed that policy (from the '70s until 9/11). You, Michael, are the true "low hanging fruit" as your friend Bill Maher would say.

...it's not hatred of the military, it's hatred of war. It's the understanding that war is the worst of humanity's activities. Posted by: Michael | April 9, 2008 12:06 PM
Well no, not really. Rockefeller's statement was a personal swipe at McCain, essentially branding him a cold-blooded killer for having done his duty.
While I largely agree with your view of war in general, the fact remains that we need a military. "If all men were good, none need be brave" as some ancient philosopher put it. Rockefeller disrespected every brave man and woman in uniform trying to score some cheap political points for Oprahma.
And Jeff is right: Oprahma himself (not a spokesman) should condemn the remark.

McCain should apologize for this and many other things. Man am I ever disappointed in that guy. I used to kinda like the old dude.

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" don't expect you, of all people, to realize that it's not the lawyer or the journalist that keeps this country free, but rather the pilot, the soldier, and the sailor who don't bomb, shoot, torpedo or kill our enemies because they want to, but rather to protect our way of life and guarantee every american's rights."

What a bunch of militaristic crap.

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The thousands of people throught the years who have put their lives on the line in non-violent acts of civil disobedience in the namre of freedom.

All of those civilians, and many thousands more, kept this country free, They made this country more free. How dare you dishonot their efforts. How dare you make them second class citizens because they weren't holding a gun.

The soldier does not have a monopoly on supporting freedom Jeff. Killing others is not the only way to defend freedom. In fact, in many cases military action harms freedom, well intentioned or not.

But Jeff, if the soldier is the only one who defends freedom. why haven't you joined up? Don't you care about freedom?

Don't know whether to laugh or be angry at people like Logic Prisoner or Michael. Neither of you I bet ever served his country, either in peace corps or in the military. I'm an ex-marine and not impressed with most heroes, but McCain is a geninue one. I may not agree with all his positions but I respect his military service and duty to this nation. People like him allow people like you to make bankrupt comments.

Michael @ 12:06 p.m.,

Can appreciate what you stated with respect to the non-pleasantries of war. General Sherman and Eisenhower saw a lot and lived through a lot, but did not seemed to have felt any great sense of glory based on their post-war memoirs, but I would think that they deserve a lot of respect for what they were called to do and had to do.

And that is the issue: - How can someone like Sen. Rockefeller be critical of a military officer who was executing the duty that he was assigned and taken an oath to perform? We can't believe that John McCain was looking to kill innocents, etc. The NVA had SAMS and AA, and obviously were firing at him also. At that point, he does not have a lot of viable options.

I suspect that McCain will accept the apology and just move on. He does seem to have this kind of quality, at least to me anyway, and I am not his biggest fan. Someone in Sen. Rockefeller's position however, should have a much higher level of respect for what military personnel are called to do, by presidents and politicians not that much unlike him. It should not have to get to the point of having to offer an apology. Respectfully,

"How can someone like Sen. Rockefeller be critical of a military officer who was executing the duty that he was assigned and taken an oath to perform."

Very simply Scott, the fact is "Following orders" is not a defense.

If more miltary men and women in all countries would stand up and say "No, I'm not going to endanger those civilians. No, I'm not going to bomb that village. No I'm not going to fire into that crowd." The world we live in would be a much better place.

The fact is in Vietnam the military did target civilian communities all too often. That's a tragic fact. I don't know what specific targets Senator McCain attacked during his time there, but the assumption that somehow all his targets were specifically and solely military targets is probably untenable.

Don't know whether to laugh or be angry at people like Logic Prisoner or Michael. Neither of you I bet ever served his country, either in peace corps or in the military. I'm an ex-marine and not impressed with most heroes, but McCain is a geninue one. I may not agree with all his positions but I respect his military service and duty to this nation. People like him allow people like you to make bankrupt comments.

Posted by: John | April 9, 2008 5:17 PM

Look jerk off, before you make assumptions you should get your facts right. I served in the 101st Airborne!!! With distinction. p.s. my dad also served in the Special Forces. A fact I am reminded of every time I look at his folded flag!!! Your a mindless sheep.

Don't know whether to laugh or be angry at people like Logic Prisoner or Michael. Neither of you I bet ever served his country, either in peace corps or in the military. I'm an ex-marine and not impressed with most heroes, but McCain is a geninue one. I may not agree with all his positions but I respect his military service and duty to this nation. People like him allow people like you to make bankrupt comments.

Posted by: John | April 9, 2008 5:17 PM

Also John next time you run your m%ggot infested pukehole remember that when you sit in the comfort of your TV room watching SHOCK and AWE, think of me. I faced my enemy. I didn't do it from 35,000 feet. Not that I have anything but the utmost respect for the brave men in the air. I just have a problem with you!!! Watch your 6:00 position my little princess. You've been served. Now stay out of my way. De Oppresso Liber. p.s. PRINT THAT!!!