Clinton-Obama "dream ticket" talks?

Why Hillary should not be VP:

From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html

Friday, May 23, 2008
Head of State: The Reasons That Hillary Should Not Be Vice President

Regarding Hillary Clinton as Barack Obama's running mate:

Originally, this seemed to be a potentially plausible choice--and if presented in the following way, could turn her divisive campaign into a potential coup as a VP candidate. The thinking was the following:

Hillary has run a divisive campaign. Now, just as the nation should mend its divisions in favor a greater unity that would serve the greater needs of our country, so now they would explicitly put these divisions behind them, in the interests of the unity that this nation, after a bitter and divisive Administration, is so in need of. This would serve as a powerful and vibrant example of the very ability to unify that Obama both offers and represents.

However, this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good--while the Vice Presidency certainly offers its honors (now far beyond the "warm pitcher" of John Vance Garner's famous phrase) and positioning for later Presidential aspirations, such a plan would require the ability to think in terms of a shared effort based on the betterment of the nation, rather than in more grasping, combative and singular terms.

The Clinton camp's behavior over this past week has made such a positive scenario clearly untenable, showcasing the same characteristics that have signified her campaign throughout its long, chaotic, march--its contradictions of previous statements when such changes have a slight possibility of adding a week or two of vitality, its sudden and implausible use of populists guises and specious historical parallels for transparently opportunistic purposes, its near-hallucinogenic transmogrifications of personality and central bases for further continuation,
and the central campaign tendency to place personal attainment over virtually all values that lay in its path.

These characteristics--self over nation, positioning over a consistent presentation of position, values and even self, the willingness to put personal viability over the need to transcend and transform the vast wreckage of state and international relations that remain at this critical time--are as present now, at a moment when wisdom rather than a remorseless, obdurate desperation could fill this gap, as they have been throughout much of the campaign. They would continue to make themselves present during a campaign for vice president, complicating, diminishing and often distracting, in trivial internecine battles, the message of unity and change.

Perhaps Clinton could adopt a more unifying and integrated and less grasping position on the VP subject. However, thus far, the actions of the Clinton camp have made it clear: It's time to clean the slate. Hillary Clinton should not be the Vice Presidential candidate.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/05/head-of-state-reasons-that-hillary.html

well i guess it is politics a usal obama just lost my support

there is no way i can vote for obama if hillary is anywhere close to his ticket i thought he was suppose to be about change and if this is true it s the same old washingtong politic s he is suppose to be trying to change

Neither Hillary nor her husband are in any position to demand anything from Barack Obama. Hillary is behind in every measure of campaign success, and making a fool of herself as the campaign draws to a close.

Barack Obama must not have anyone forced upon his campaign - he will choose his running mate based on his own criteria. Talk about appeasement.....

The "dream ticket." This is the media programming America. Every interviewee on the TV "mouth shows" gets asked this question. It has showed up during debates. It has been analyzed by every pundit all day long. It ain't gonna happen, folks. And it shouldn't happen. Obama has run a brilliant campaign of change and turning the page. To put Hillary on the ticket would be antithetical to his whole philosophy. There are other better choices. Bill Richardson would be a solid choice, he may help get the Hispanic voters to quit being afraid of voting for an African American. Wesley Clark would be an excellent choice, who would remove the "weak on defense" argument from the Republican script.

That would be a "dream ticket"!
For McCain! He'd win with a landslide victory.

You all seem to forget that HRC has won huge states that matter trmendously in the general election. If Obama choses her as his running mate it is a sure shot for the Democrats to win the white house.
Kennedy represented the new change attitude but knew he needed the old conservative democrats to win, thats why he chose Johnson.
pairing the old quard with the new quard only helps staple together a divided party. Those of you who refuse to vote for Obama if HRC is his running mate, or if HRC gets the nomination are only fools with sour grapes and because of your follishness we will lose to Mccain and endure 4 more years of hoplesness! Ger off yourhigh horses and swallow your pride. Vote responsibly not emotionally!

re: Hillary as VP - Obama needs to remember this Aesop Fable:

The Farmer and the Snake

One winter a farmer found a snake stiff and frozen with cold. He had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The warmth quickly revived the Snake, and resuming its natural instincts, bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."

The lesson: The greatest kindness will not bind the ungrateful.

Thank goodness, that headline really scared me. Hillary is way too good to be his VP. He would only want her there to tell him what to say when the questions get too hard for him, and his ummm, ahhh, ahhh, ummm doesn't do the trick for the person asking the questions. She has all the answers, he doesn't!

Realty, McCain is going to win no matter who Obama picks for his running mate. Hillary's supporters will not vote for him, and he can't win the GE without us. We are 17+ million strong and over 50% will not vote for him. He cannot beat McCain with only his 17 million supporters. FL and MI have already said on CNN last night that they will go republican, so that is another several million he wont get. Wake up he is your biggest looser.

Great ticket. The two persons with the most negatives among the electorate in the country. Think of how many lower level Demo candidates an Obama-Clinton ticket would take under and give Republicans control of Congress again.

Susan is a paid Obama blogger, no?
NEVER forget that Obama put up signs that said "It's a Power thing" all over south side.

I, as a citizen of the United States and a voter in the democratic process would be extremely unhappy with a union of the Obamas and Clintons as VP. This whole campaign by Hillary and surrogates over the past 6 months especially have had so many twists, plots, surreal episodes and not to mention the numerous divisive topics used by Hillary and her husband, Bill that the most of the public's has been completely shattered. And, most of Hillalry's supporters are so negative... what a shame! One woman did write that she shared the embarrassment of her husband's infidelities, but took him back because of the children. Now, that's truth-telling. Maybe, this shouting and ranting gave Hillary a chance to get the "monkey" off her back. So, no split ticket under any circumstances. The people have spoken and they have spoken for Sen. Barack Obama. We applaud Hillary for her long service eto this country, but her efforts in achieving her dream goal was offset with her own negative posturing and endless untruths that it was almost appalling to even imagine that she was once a first lady. We need to put this primary campaign behind us now and focus on UNITING behind Sen. Obama who has shown throughout this campaign what leadership really means. Both sides have been hit with negatives, but truthfully, Clinton initiated some of the negatives and when she got it back, she and her team called "foul." No, it wasn't "foulplay" but you get what you asked for and this is something that she did to herself. So, she and her campaign can stop complaining!

Hillary won almost all the big states in open, fair primaries. Obama got his lead from closed-door caucuses of Starbucks Democrats. Hillary knows the issues and the solutions better than anyone. Obama praised Reagan and put Bill Clinton's administration on a level with Nixon's. When Hillary said LBJ got the Civil Rights bill passed, Obama said that was "Troubling" and his media lackeys started this big lie of calling the Clintons racists. If Hillary is not on the ticket, Obama is going to blow this election, in an otherwise Democratic year.

Obama=Obama
Obama+Clinton=McCain

Why should it be a Clinton/Obama ticket?

He's leading in EVERY category and will be the Democratic nominee...

So Christi Parsons, logic would dictate that it wouls be a Obama/Clinton ticket...

If I were Obama and Hillary was my VP. I'd always wear a bullet proof vest. The crazed Hillary supporters will do ANYTHING to see her in the oval office.

Listen Obama: NO BILLARY Clinton for VP.

To Get Real: No, you get real.

I am a thinking woman who has watched this entire campaign unfold. I have been an advocate for survivors of domestic and sexual violence for many years and am able to formulate my own opinions, thank you.

I wish I were being paid for my insights, because I could earn a fair number of bucks, which I would donate to organizations that advance women's lives.

The one place that is the most important area to be ahead in the primaries it in the electoral college, and Hillary is ahead, way ahead in this area. Which means that she would be the one that will, I say WILL beat McCain. It is too bad that the unpledged delegates don't think about this fact. They are putting a looser in the nomination.

With all of the "mysterious" deaths during the Clinton Administration, if I were Obama, I would stay away from this very ambitious woman. If Obama is dumb-enough to take her as VP, I would hope that he hires a presidential food taster.

Dear Montana: My vote already has been accounted for here in Pennsylvania. I am supporting Hillary Clinton all the way till the end of this primary for several important reasons; Americans' need to keep setting the example of what democracy should and could be for ourselves and our allies around the world, by demonstrating our values and choices through the now very delicate voting process. (Florida & Michigan for example)
Hillary Clinton is an established front-runner who can heal our country, the economy, initiate and administer peace in the Middle East and overall see that American families needs, hopes and dreams are being met. Please, please, please Montana make your vote count and stand up for someone who will rise up for all Americans.
Sincerely, Denise from Pennsylvania

The phrase 'this would require a candidate that was willing to take such a position of relative shared selflessness in the interests of a greater good'
could just as easily apply to Senator Obama as to Senator Clinton. Why is it that the 'press corps' continues to
depict Sen. Clinton as the 'devil' and Sen. Obama as the 'knighted angel'.
I think it woud be far more difficult for him to allow for the possibility of a runnig mate with their own ideas then it would be for him.

Obama/Clinton ticket cannot be defeated. What are they waiting for?

I have raised money and supported Obama since before he was a Senator... However, I would not support him if Clinton is on his ticket... I guess the Green Party nominee would get my vote... -Opio

TheZog.. what deaths are you referring too? Your BS is what makes our country a laughing stock! Perhaps these supposed killers are still hiding behind the grassy knoll?

Too bad no one is giving the actual issues the focus they need. Instead of questioning the integrity of Clinton and praising Obama's why don't we just take them for what they are, politicians. Clinton's policies are sound and I think they offer our nation a chance for economic change, which we desperately need. If we can't revitalize our economy we're in for a rough change of fortunes. We can't afford Iraq so lets get out, and put someone in office who actually understands the dynamics of our economy. If people don't start focusing on the real issues, there's no telling how bad the next 4 years can get with the way oil and our food commodity prices keep rising.

hillary suppoerters really are delusional. Obama has run a march smarter, more fiscally sound and effective campaign. Hillary backers need to shut their mouths already about Obama support being elitist, caucus driven, starbucks drinking etc. The fact is simple; Obama supporters worked harder, spread the message, got out the vote and beat Hillary soundly, fair and square, end of story. The reason why he got so much support is he ran a bottom up campaign and got regular people involved. Hillary on the other hand ran a traditional 20th century top down campaign because she thought she had the election in the bag and didn't need the support of real people. Obama is a change candidate and Hillary is an establishment new democrat, right wing capitulator who has no place on his ticket. The clinton's are done, their legacy is in shambles and they have no one to thank but themselves. Obama is leading in every indicating category, this race is over and hillary and her clinton's are doing our nation a great disservice by dragging out this nonsense. You hillary supporters need to come back to reality, this election has been over for more than a month now and hillary and the clintons will have no say in the future direction of this country.

We can assume that Obama has the nomination. Now we have to look to electability. The Democrats will have to implode upon themselves to not win the election after the past 8 years of disaster under a Republican. An African-American presidential candidate is historic, as would have been a female. I believe that the voters are ready to make the leap, but not both at the same time. Hillary deserves supreme recognition for her abilities and accomplishments. Perhaps Secretary of State or Attorney General.

The only way it will work is
Clinton - Obama.
She can produce a big electoral win, he cannot (yet)

My biggest fear is that an agreement would be met between the candidates; for Hilary to become the next Supreme Court Judge, if she will back Obama.

This idea of both Senators Clinton and Obama on the same ticket would undoubtably be a win-win situation.They just need to decide who would go first.If they did it alphabetically,then Mrs.Clinton would be 1st and Mr.Obama would be 2nd.But,his ego would not let this happen.If approached properly,Mrs.Clinton could possibly run as his V.P.All in all,they would be the Democratic Party's best bet to defeat McCain in the fall.So now everyone needs to keep their nasty comments and rude opinions of these 2 candidates to themselves as when words are the only way that the "Bigotted Nay Sayers"can feel important.Personally I do not care who is 1st on the Ballot,as long as the Democratic Party can win against Senator McCain.My personal "Dream Ticket" would have been Ann Richards and Hillary Clinton.I lived in Texas when Gov.Richards held that office and she was a Great Asset to the state.We,as a party need to pull together and stop all of the in-fighting and back bitting to try to make ourselves seem important and worthy of being the President.Both candidates are strong front runners,but Mrs.Clinton has the experience and the "chutzspa" to be a great leader if given the chance.If you stop and think for a moment,when Mr.Clinton was in office,we were not in debt as a nation.We were for once out of the RED,and into the BLACK.There was no National Debt when he left office.Now we,as a nation are up to our eyeballs in debt.All I am saying is this,without a Democrat in office we are looking at another 4 years(at least) of "Bush-conomics,and personally I am tired of all the RETORIC that is coming out of Capitol Hill.We need someone who has a good understanding of what we, as a people really need.Mr.Obama does not have the experience to lead our great Nation in the direction it needs to be going.We need to get out of the "toilet" and start seeing so new legislation to help John Q.Public.Are we destined as a people to have unending war,taxes,economic downfalls that we cannot as a country,cannot come back from?This is a great nation,and we need people in high offices to maintain our good standing in the world arena.

It doesn't make any sense to say you won't vote another democrat if YOUR democrat doesn't get voted into office. I'm a political science major and support Obama but if it was Clinton on the ticket I would vote for her. As should all Clinton supporters if Obama's on the ticket. How can you completely change your views on the economy and the war and say you'll vote republican? I hate to say it but it's mostly the Hillary supporters that would be "bitter" that she didn't win so they won't want their "rival" to win either. Obama is not your rival, its John McCain.

As Scott S. Blakely said "Vote Responsibly, Not Emotionally"

What horrific reporting.
Your headline:
"Clinton-Obama 'dream ticket' talks?"

And your story:
No, there aren't any talks.

How about you report the facts instead of unfounded and inaccurate speculation?

All the talk about "hillary won this state and that state, she needs to be on the ticket" are assuming those voters will vote republican if she's not in. I'm betting the voters will vote against the republican candidate this year, it won't matter a heck of a lot which candidate the dems put forward.

More like a IN YOUR DREAMS TICKET!!!!!

Clintons think folk owe them something! No way I am taking Mrs. Bosnia and Mr. Blue Dress!!!! If I was Obama, I would pick that wonderful Lady from Kansas or one of the other candidates who can help me in the South and Florida. ANYONE but Mrs. Entitlement!!!!

Barack is EVERYTHING we want from a President, and certainly what Dr. King imagined when he wrote the I have a dream speach.

LIARY - has cried (real tears), lied and now is trying to CHEAT her way to the nomination. And she is the antithesis of what we want as a President. She is trying to STRONGARM the nomination and THREATENS to keep going unless he caves in to her terrorist-like demand! Aint that a blip!!!!

I wouldn't pick her to be vice-president of the bathroom!! Obama - handle that like you would a terrorist!

Women if you don't want to vote Democrat - then DONT! You will only hurt yourselves when Roe v. Wade comes up. There are 10 women in my office better than Clinton - save your tears, money and support for someone else with more to offer than TEARS, LIES, and a last name!!!

Scott S nailed it on the head:

You all seem to forget that HRC has won huge states that matter trmendously in the general election. If Obama choses her as his running mate it is a sure shot for the Democrats to win the white house.
Kennedy represented the new change attitude but knew he needed the old conservative democrats to win, thats why he chose Johnson.
pairing the old quard with the new quard only helps staple together a divided party. Those of you who refuse to vote for Obama if HRC is his running mate, or if HRC gets the nomination are only fools with sour grapes and because of your follishness we will lose to Mccain and endure 4 more years of hoplesness! Ger off yourhigh horses and swallow your pride. Vote responsibly not emotionally!

Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley

The point is to get the dems back into the white house! This would be an amazing ticket IMO.

No disrespect, but YIKES! I leave it to you!

Hillary should not be Obama's VP. Why help him, let him drive himself to a ditch this fall. He is not electable, he knows and why go down with him.

JerrryR, what is your point? Starbucks democrats get a vote in this country too. It doesn't matter who voted for them. It only matters that he won the most states, most pledged delegates, and most popular vote. Last time I checked, this meant you were the nominee.

Nobama please. I rather stay home or vote McCain than see an inexperienced person.

Democrats....No wonder you have been defeated twice in the elections by a half wit and it wasn't even close. I fear McCain will triumph because there is no unity in the party.

I actually believe that Hillary would make a far better Secretary of State than a Vice President. If you look at history, far more Presidents started out as Secretary of State than as Vice President. I also believe the SS position would play best to her strengths, especially those relating to her positions regarding defense and foreign policy. It would also provide her with a great deal more practice and seasoning for becoming an eventual chief of state. And, I truly believe the country would benefit from having such a powerful administrator like herself on that post.

Obama would be a fool to have Hillary as a running mate.
Hillary would have been Bill's VP had she been elected
With Obama/Clinton, what would be left for Bill to do other than make trouble and get everybody impeached

whatever you do, Keep Bill Clinton out of the White House

I have never seen a bigger pack of idiots than here. They won't vote for this one because....they won't vote for that one because..... Obviously the issues don't count as much as egos. Don't vote, vote for McBush....but don't let me see you writing in here next year bitchin about the way things are.

What experience does HILLARY, have? Not Bill, but Hillary? One term in the Senate?

I want to elect a woman based on HER record, not her husbands.

I can't believe how petty Hillary supporters are, Obama didn't steal the presidency from Hillary, she lost it herself. And if we end up with McWorse as president it will be simply because the Hillary supporters were too butt-sore to suck it up and vote for the party of change. If Hillary would have run a better campaign and won the nomination I would have gotten behind her even though I don't support 100% of her plan and certainly have issues with her voting record, but it wouldn't make me so stupid that I would be willing to allow McCain to even have a chance at the White House.

Wake up people, your nation is more important then you candidate!

Would people think that Obama will pick another naïve and inexperience candidate like himself? Most likely, he will pick a candidate with experience. Experience, by definition, means that this person has had to be part of the Washington’s crowd for some time. So, why is this ok for the party instead of Clinton?
If Obama picks another Washington politician instead of Clinton then it clearly demonstrates that he only wants to surround himself with less qualified people than Clinton; if he has more confidence in himself then he should pick the obvious candidate whom half of the democrats has voted soundly for as the best qualified presidential candidate.
If Obama is as smart as he claims then he should run, not walk, to Clinton and make his offer on his knees. Without Clinton, he has no chance to win.

Hey nancy do yor homework, Hillary is a two term senator!

I know what you will say next, that she spent her second term running for president, well then, that just voids Obama completely doesn't it, as he is only a first term senator who has spenthis entire term running as well!
Here are the three candidates voting records during this Congressional Session for this year:

Percentage of missed votes:
John McCain - 53.1%
Barack Obama - 33.7%
Hillary Clinton - 18.2%

So tell me everyone, who is serving the people better? To me its a no brainer!

here is another read on the Veepstakes-Usual Suspects or Dream ticket?
http://airitoutwithgeorge.blogspot.com/2008/05/democratic-veepstakes-usual-suspects-or.html

Wow, reading some of these comments makes it really hard to be "proud" of America, but I am (fiercely). Partly because it is a place that allows this type of discourse. I respect all three of the candidates for our Presidency. Each has done very good things for this country (war hero, civil rights lawyer and advocate for women and children). I've lived long enough to see a woman, a Vietnam vet and an African-American man compete for the Oval Office. I hope that I can live another 50 years to witness a return to public debate free from the venom and hatred we display towards each other and our prospective President. How powerful a nation would we be then? Happy Memorial Day, people!!

Clinton as VP will be a complete political madness and suicide. Many Americans and the rest of the world have been inspired by Obama. And to turn around to pick a person who is willing to do anything in order to win, will certainly damn Obama to political limbo. What will be the role of Bill Clinton in such a team? The Clintons went as far as to campaign for McCain, jeez! Obama must not and need not bribe Clinton. Her behaviour so far only goes to show the extent to which she is destroying her own political future.

Hillary is done.

She ran a poor campaign financially and has made two huge underestimations....1. That she could walk in. That Obama would not raise money or gather votes. 2. That pushing for 'counting every vote' would end up trampling the process itself and backfire. What does it say about her? It says, its all about her. She couldn't beat herself out of paper bag.

Again everyone gives her a pass!!!!! Her campaign is broke...it was broke back in January! Nothing has changed. We talk of the VP and Sec of State and how it would be easier for her to run again next time. How much drama can we take? All this is about Hillary. She is losing. Yet all the news centers around what she will do. The news, the DNC meeting, the lawyers, the pundits....all revolve around dear Hillary.

Its over darling. Get yourself to court and testify in the campaign fraud case. Judge Munoz is not letting you off the hook. For those of you with a little time on your hands....Google this BC 304174 la county. Yep, she has to eventually take the stand, she might actually have to answer a direct question for a change. I seriously doubt it will prevent her from misspeaking or missremembering...or (my favorite of hers) '....I may not have fully conveyed all the facts as I once knew them to be...' Classic liar manipulator.

its over darling.

To Scoot S. Blakely - those percentages don't mean anything, what matters is the substance of the legislation voted on and the vote that was cast. I am from New York State and I can tell you that Hillary's voting record is not one that many democrats would be proud of. The only reason she is a senator is because she is a shameless carpetbagger and she picked a heavily democratic state with an open senate seat and inexperienced republican to run against. And oh yea, she was married to the president.

To trish - the point is not just to win the white house at all cost. In fact the cost of making Hillary VP would be tremendous. It would mean that Obama has sold out on his message and everything he stands, it would mean politics as usual, it would mean bad trade deals like NAFTA, it would mean lying to the american people, it would mean fake genocide's like Bosnia, arms sales to countries like Indonesia who slaughtered the people of East Timor and Turkey who slaughtered the kurds. it would mean all of this because this is the TRUE legacy of the Clintons in washington.

Scot, Trish, Jerry, etc.

I look forward to seeing senator Clinton throw her full support behind the Democratic nominee and his running mate. I'm sure she'll do her level best to insure that all those big states vote for the Democratic candidate. I love the big state/electoral college argument, by the way...the idea that the candidates will win and lose the same states in the general election is wonderfully silly...as if Hillary would lose in Illinois or Barack would lose in NY this year to any Republican. You can't be serious with that...ah...stuff. You might have a point if you limited your argument to a few states like Florida and Ohio where Democrats don't always win.

Ok Sam so we vote these Senators into office not to vote on legislature is that what you are saying? I am also from New York and I am proud of HRC's record to date. The fact that John McCain doesn't see fit to vote on legislature for the people who voted him into office is a disgrace to democracy and to his people. And as for Obama missing so many votes as well, it is a pure slap in the face to his people! There are many senators who have voting records that are almost 100% THIS IS WHAT WE PAY THEM FOR!!!
Your attitude is passive and demeans the meaning of our democracy.

To Twotraps who said:

"Google this BC 304174 la county"
I did, guess what I found? More blogs telling me to Google this like it was some black mark on Hillary's character. Finally I found a blog written by an Attorney, by no means friendly to Hillary, but the attorney says:

"Paul vs. Clinton, in his insane law suit will attempt to produce sworn testimony implying that there was systemic corruption by the Clintons infused into the Democratic Party and all branches of the federal government. Because of the great expense in defense of this suit because of the legal talent's ability to use the electronic discovery tools now available, this will likely tie up some of Hillary Clinton's much needed resources and mental energy.

All I can say about this lawsuit is that, it is simply another dirty game of politics and the more I read the complaint, the more obvious it became that it is nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt by her opponents."

If a liar calls Hillary a liar, what does that make her?

Obama would never have Clinton as a VP. He knows she would outshine him. Once this goes to the general election its over. Obama is a con-man and the Republicans will surely flush that out. Clinton has hesitated to do that.

Why can't American's hire someone competent to be president?

I try not to bash the media for 'being itself', but this relentless talk of an Obama/Clinton 'Dream Ticket' is way south of dumb. My guess is they cant stand each other, she due to her seething anger at having been beaten out of the job she thought she was entitled to have, and he for the same reasons most of the rest of us cant stand her. I would venture to say that were they elected, the extreme discomfort would start in the White House and on out from there, leaving the entire world on edge for four years. The members of the media should give it a rest.

No on is talking about Hillary as VP except her supporters. They are so hung up on the Clinton theme of entitlement. Hillary lost this election because the majority of democrats don't want her, not because of sexism or misogyny. Many black men have ran for president and lost in the past big deal. Blacks still hung with the party. This time around they may have a winner so what? Obama is a good man and represents the party well. Hillary is a good woman and party member who has spent her life doing much good. She failed because of her own short comings and low moral character not because the world was against her. Also being a women has done nothing but help her, only a woman can parlay being a 1st lady (which is an honorific not a job) into a run for the presidency of the united states. Our nation is full of great woman an eventually one will rise to the presidency just not this one so get over it. All this Clintonite rage pointed at Obama is just plain stupid stupid.

I am a Clinton supporter and I don't think she should be VP. If Obama is the nominee he needs to succeed or fail on his own. Clinton is a strong figure and overshadows him. She will be credited for his win or blamed for his failure. Although, they say this was exactly what happened with the JFK and LBJ win in '60. The polls are showing this is what people want but I don't agree. A Clinton-Obama ticket makes sense to me but not the other way around.

they want to make her run for VP

I say no no no

Obama if he wins is going to mess up our country more than it is, therefore in order for Clinton to be president 4 years away she will have to be far away from Obama as in Clinton for president not VP

I agree Maggie, Obama may be slightly more popular based on electoral votes (primarily earned on college tours) but when it comes to leadership, experience and ideas it is pretty obvious that Clinton has him beat (see debates). Unfortunately it appears that is not the primary criteria to get elected.

I see Hillary with a huge case of self-will-run-riot, a dangerous condition for a national leader to have.

I cannot see this happening. Clinton will never accept the number 2 spot and I think Obama's message of bringing change to DC would become less credible with Clinton (who represents for many the status quo) as running mate. It would look like more of the same (I already believe it WILL be more of the same no matter who wins in November).

They are putting a looser in the nomination.
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Proof once again that Hillary’s main support comes from the uneducated.

Obama is a liberal George W. Bush!

The mythology, Republicans are planning on voting for him, is not going to happen.

Obama will win the same states that John Kerry won in the last election. He will lead us to four years of John McCain.

The only way I will consider voting for Obama is if Hillary is on the ticket.

NOW!

to marcrhino...

I know its a stupid case, he's a con man upset at the thought of being conned! He has little credibility, so why is the court hearing the case? I just find it interesting that a candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America has to testify at a trial for campaign fraud, no matter how stupid the trial. Why is there any outstanding issues with the law with anyone?

I agree. Hillary shouldn't be Obama's running mate. Because when he loses the election, you will all blame her.

She doesn' t need Obama. She's proven that she is intelligent, a fighter and can perhaps be the next "Teddy Kennedy" in the Senate.

Let Obama win or lose on his own. His campain is for change. But all he does is embrace the "elite" of the party.
Kerry, etc. We all saw what a terrible candidate Kerry was. Maybe he can teach Obama how to wind-surf. That will really connect with the voters.

The Democrats are doomed this year. I'm changing my voter registration to Independent.

Politics as usual by the Obama camp and his supporters; if Hillary is not on the ticket, I am not voting, period. I would expect and always have of Hillary to take Obama, but if Obama supporters want to play their mean-spiritied and divisive party cards, then that's it!

Hi, I have posted the below to Senator Obama's campaign; I urge anyone who sympathizes to pass this along, as there aren't too many direct routes to the candidate himself! Thank you.

Greetings,

I am a strong supporter of Barack Obama and a donor [amount in original letter but withheld in public version]. Despite great ideological differences, I believe Senator Obama provides a great hope to save us from absurd partisan division and the general unethical and bad faith discourse which has grown like a cancer on the body politic over the last couple decades.

However, Sen. Obama will almost certainly lose my vote (and Sen. McCain - whom I also respect - will gain it) if Sen. Clinton is chosen as VP, because I cannot abide putting a person a heartbeat away from the presidency when said person has as recently as this very year used Nixonian-style tactics - with even more blatant race-card playing - and has demonstrated a history of unethical and unnecessarily vicious political dealings. I plead with Sen. Obama to find a way to work through this without being forced into taking on one of the most craven political figures of our times (at the national level). Allowing a Sen. Clinton vice-presidency would be a betrayal of the very foundation of Sen. Obama's campaign's premise. Thank you for, I trust, forwarding this to the correct parties and considering this. I would hope that at least my comments would be posted prominently in whatever office they end up in, with my explicit understanding such is just indicating my opinion and not necessarily the candidate's or his staff's.

Best of luck,
Wilson Zorn

Please comes back to New York and stay there. This country doesn't need your lied couple anymore.

I just want you to know if I don't get my way...I'm not voting. If my dinner is late I'm not voting. If I get any more holes in my socks I'm not voting. If I don't get that raise I'm not voting. If my car breaks down I'm not voting. If you guys don't vote I'm not voting. If I can't act like children like you I'm not voting.

Billary is DONE. Thanks you for your serviced, now BOTH of you can go back home to New York

If the Dems not win this time then they can only have themself to blame.
To Hillary people: If you don't want to vote please stay home. But don't cry later on and say we don't warn you.

bill "H" r, I'm glad I'm not mean-spirited and divisive like you. I thought "whining babies" was an appropriate description for posters who threaten to ignore the issues and just take their votes and go home, but I was going to think of a nice way to say it that wouldn't hurt their little feelings.

White 66 year male from SC & FL. Have voted for Bush 1, Clinton Twice, Bush 2 once. 100% behind Obama, unless Hillary is VP. Then I vote McCain PERIOD.

Having Hillary as VP (what Bill is trying to push at the moment) would destroy Barack Obama's credibility beyond repair.
That couple embody so much of what is wrong with our political process, such that, Barack would destroy what is so hopeful about his campaign.

I was going to think of a nice way to say it that wouldn't hurt their little feelings.

Posted by: Tom O | May 23, 2008 5:57 PM

Oh I probably had a bad day....

Well, I guess this is no longer an issue.

After those remarks yesterday, I hope they're making Hillary go through a metal detector if she is in contact with Obama.

Anyone who invokes the memory of an assasination to justify the length of her campaign can never be the VP. I didn't want her on the ticket before her comments, but surely don't want her anywhere near other candidates at this point.

She has to go. This ended yesterday.