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Not so pretty picture about judgment and experience

Posted May 10, 2008 10:21 AM
The Swamp

by Jill Zuckman

WASHINGTON -- Three months ago, Sen. John McCain made a calculated decision to begin painting a not-so-pretty picture of Sen. Barack Obama.

Although Sen. Hillary Clinton was -- and still is -- battling Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, McCain began preparing his case against the Illinois senator early on. McCain's advisers, like other observers, had concluded that Obama was the likely nominee and wanted to begin shaping Obama's image while the Democrat was still consumed with fighting Clinton.

Defining one's opponent is a key task of any campaign, and simply put, McCain has had a long head start. As early as Feb. 12--the day McCain and Obama each won primaries in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C. -- McCain suggested Obama was guilty of hollow promises and a messianic self-image.

"To encourage a country with only rhetoric, rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people, is not a promise of hope," McCain said, alluding to Obama's speaking skills and campaign theme. And in another jab he added, "I do not seek the presidency on the presumption that I am blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save my country in its hour of need."

Unlike McCain, Obama has been fighting a two-front war, trying to beat back an onslaught from Clinton while taking opening shots at McCain. Recently Obama has started focusing more squarely on the presumptive Republican nominee, attacking his positions on the war and the economy.

But because of the long, bruising Democratic campaign, McCain has gotten an early jump. Day by day, week by week, McCain has been portraying Obama as inexperienced, self-entitled and effete, a candidate coddled by a loving press corps and lacking the judgment necessary for the highest office in the land.

It's a line of attack likely to last through the fall election.

We'll make the case that Barack Obama is a wonderful new voice selling old, discredited ideas, including the most massive tax increase since Walter Mondale ran for president," said Steve Schmidt, a senior McCain adviser. "It's a combination of weakness, not being ready to be president and not being able to deliver on the things he says he will deliver on."

It's not clear how widely these criticisms have resonated, given the intense media focus up to now on the Democratic battle. The Obama campaign says that in any case they are unlikely to sway voters eager for change.

"Unlike John McCain, Barack Obama had the judgment to oppose this disastrous war from the beginning and the judgment to understand that for the sake of our security we now need to change course and bring it to a responsible conclusion," said Hari Sevugan, an Obama spokesman.

"It's clear that John McCain isn't offering anything new--his false attacks and meaningless labels are as tired as the failed Bush policies he's offering for another four years," Sevugan added.

McCain sees soft spot

But the McCain camp sees Obama's relative lack of experience and accomplishment as a major vulnerability, especially compared to a longtime senator and war hero. In a speech on his judicial philosophy last week, McCain again went after Obama for being more of a talker than a doer, as well as for what he considers his limited record of bipartisan accomplishment.

"Sen. Obama in particular likes to talk up his background as a lecturer on law, and also as someone who can work across the aisle to get things done. But when Judge Roberts was nominated, it seemed to bring out more the lecturer in Sen. Obama than it did the guy who can get things done," said McCain, accusing Obama of casting a "partisan" vote against John Roberts to be chief justice of the Supreme Court.

On Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor" on Thursday, McCain was asked what Obama's main weakness is as a candidate. "Inexperience," he replied. "I think inexperience and lack of judgment, and a record that shows that--whether it be showing a desire to sit down with the president of Iran, who has articulated his country's commitment to the extinction of the state of Israel, [or] wanting to raise people's taxes."

As Obama closes in on the Democratic nomination, the public's attention is likely to turn more to the fight between Obama and McCain. A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll released Friday showed Obama leading McCain 45 percent to 40 percent, with the rest undecided. Most national polls have shown a statistical tie between the two, though polling this early often doesn't predict reliably.

Both candidates have emphasized their intention to run civil, positive campaigns. But that hasn't stopped either from taking shots.

Charles Black, McCain's senior strategist, said both McCain and Obama have presented themselves as change agents, and voters should know which candidate has the record to back it up.

"Both candidates are candidates of change, reform, and promising to work across party lines," Black said. "Guess who has a record of doing that? It's McCain and not Obama."

McCain is particularly critical of Obama for his plan to quickly withdraw troops from Iraq and his willingness to meet with the heads of rogue nations. Those positions, McCain frequently suggests, are grounded in a lack of experience, as well as poor judgment.

On "Morning Joe" on MSNBC in April, McCain, a former Navy fighter pilot, responded with derision to Obama's call for leaving a limited strike force in Iraq. "I think somebody ought to ask what in the world he's talking about, especially since he has no experience or background at all in national security affairs," McCain told host Joe Scarborough.


Message against grain?
But McCain faces hurdles in getting through to the public with that message. The Iraq War is deeply unpopular, which matches Obama's position better than McCain's. Republicans remain unpopular. Most voters believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, that economic conditions will get worse and that gas prices are likely to stay high, said Democratic pollster Anna Greenberg.

"Being the experienced person from Washington is not what voters are looking for right now," Greenberg said. "People actually want something very different. They want Washington to be different."

Some of McCain's arguments about Obama have already been tried by Clinton, who has portrayed Obama as inexperienced and unlikely to get big things done.

"Just because it didn't work so well for Hillary Clinton doesn't mean it's not going to work for John McCain," said Amy Walter, editor of the non-partisan political guide The Hotline. "What you're talking about are two different audiences."

The possible shape of a McCain-Obama contest came into stark relief last week when McCain noted that a spokesman for the Islamic militant group Hamas had said he supports Obama. The Illinois senator, who has said he would not meet with Hamas leaders, called that "a smear" and said McCain was "losing his bearings."

That, in turn, prompted the McCain campaign to issue a blistering response calling Obama's words a clumsy way of pointing to McCain's age, which is 71.

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Comments

Considering Mr. McCain's wish to stay in Iraq for the rest of our lives, as well as his general cluelessness on matters economic, calling someone else's judgment into question may not be such a good idea.


That's a real stretch, for Dorian Grey. Don't let anybody paint his portrait, it would have to include Charles Keating and the S&L Scandal!! No, Senator McCain aught to leave the paints alone, unless he wants his portrait painted, wart and all!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE. NOW.


Mccain is right on all counts.

Obama is nothing but words and the dems bought it hook line and sinker...wait till the general election when American's find out Obama is just an empty suit.

Obama has no record...except for Rev. Wright and terrorist friend Bill Ayers.

Paulo

Oh, and Tony Rezko


Unpopular as the Iraq war may be, it is a reality the next president will inherit and have to deal with. The US cannot just withdraw and wash our hands of the situation. Iraq would wind up like Lebanon or worse. You may recall that Lebanon fell into chaos and civil war after Reagan withdrew our troops. Iran would have a field day.


It was once said of Jesse Jackson but it applies here also: He don't know how to run nothin but his mouth.
All we ask of the fawning media is at least some evidence Barack has the ability to DO.
Those who can't do teach.


Obama appeals to the ignorant. He mindreads McCains mind (4 more years of Bush) and his followers believe him. This along with race shows the mentality of some. Too bad. Also - Clinton may win the democratic nomination.


Obama will be defeated by a landslide in November because the Blacks are voting for him as a block (92%) which is dragging race into the picture. Whites are sure to react and that's curtains. Hillary would be a better candidate in this case. It is amazing how the news media does not even breath the word "racist" into the almost 100% black vote for Obama. I wonder what will be said if McCain wins with 92% of the white vote? I'm sure we will hear plenty if it's even close to that %.


The media has totally dropped the ball as far as Obama goes...Everyd day it's something new on HRC or McCain or his wife but Obama and Michelle appear to live in a perfect,spotlessly clean bubble...I always thought the media's job was to report...Not hold information back til they felt the timing is right..The people have a Wright to know who and what they are voting for to be the Leader of this Country. SHAME ON YOU MEDIA....BAD JOB...


That's right, McCain has definitely been dishing the BS and, as this article so aptly demonstrates, the MSM has been lapping up every little piece of it. Bon appetite!


am a young woman, in love with the way that Barak Hussein Obama speak, but, I just cant believe that the citizens of the greatest country in the world, people who are supposed to be more informed and sofisticated than the rest of the world, are willing to hand over the country to a complete unknown who associates with self hating people who want to do harm to their own country and feel ashamed for being rich. Now, how smart is that? Haven't we learned from history already? We seem to be much less than the previous generation.
Robert St. John


McCain is too god old we need new fresh blood. Anyway my brother was in vietnam and many of my friends and they are all heroes what makes macain more of a hero than anyone else who fought in a war. Besides I am wary of his psyche.


The media has totally dropped the ball as far as Obama goes...Everyd day it's something new on HRC or McCain or his wife but Obama and Michelle appear to live in a perfect,spotlessly clean bubble...
Posted by: kaye c. | May 10, 2008 12:31 PM

You,ve got to be kidding right??? What news have you been watching....Turn on the comedy channel of Faux News and the prince of darkness, Sean Vannity, is running the Wright soundbites to the hilt. These poor scared white folk can't understand at all the black church.....after all, we let them use the same bathroom and everything now! Did you wash your hands too Pontius!


I am an 80 year old white lady but I can tell you that age is not all experience. McCain could be as old as me but not as experience as he thinks or believes. Being in the marine for ages is not a sign that McCain could be a better Commander in Chief just as one being a swimmer does not make him/her a fish! Sound and good judgement is what matters and McCain lost it long ago. Age is telling on me just as it is telling on me. There is time for everyone and this time is for a young vibrant man with fresh brains and memory to rule America. Therefore, I personally discredit anything that McCain and his camp is up against Obama. McCain might be experience but lack sound judgement which is a disaster. McCain is far behind change he is talking about, perhaps his change is as old as himself or myself. McCain, with all due respect, I see you as a murderer and a fake with all those fake and silly smile. Besides McCain is not a man of his words, he too like the Clinton is a confirmed liar. WHITES AND THE ELDERLY ARE FOR OBAMA 08 FOR CHANGE! ENOUGH OF WARS!!! REPUBLICANS! IT IS TIME TO PACK OUT OFF THE WHITE HOUSE. IT IS TIME FOR OBAMA 08!!


Oh, I see we can't comment on the article. It WAS a good read. I wasn't lying.

Posted by: bill r. | May 10, 2008 12:51 PM

Seriously, why do people who belittle Fox News keep tuning in.

Yes, bill r they are in a bubble. The type of bubble that has to over think whether or not Obama should be allowed to be photographed playing basketball. The type of bubble that spends time over picking and "white washing," pun intended, anything that would remotely let HIS OWN supporters, forget this focus on others who don't support him, think he was in fact black.

Hopefully this comment makes it. Since all the ones on topic in several threads have not. I'll risk it and ON topic say that the drawn out Democratic race can't be a bad thing ONE it has actually vetted and jaded some of the dialog that most likely will continue into the Fall, and TWO that the race between two WORTHY candidates with SIMILAR qualifications, vision, and plans forcing the distinction to be only made in the media by what you can mud sling has actually let a lot of time pass by without anything SUBSTANTIVE to decrease the chances of the chosen Democratic nominee, or the chosen Republican nominee. Jaded race, age, sex, slams, which will undoubtedly get the most air time and blog space, will not take away as much between both Republican and Democrat, as they have not taken substantively from either candidate between Democrat and Democrat. McCain will have a shorter time frame with which to do the damage that a whole primary race did not, but he does respectfully have the advantage of policy differences. I think more than the petty mud slamming the one thing to call the general, which will be close near it's end, will have a to do with how people feel about the actual issues.


For the USA to be the nations amongst nations, we are filled with some most ass backwards people known to mankind. If Mc Cain is the peoples choice he would won at some point in the last few presidential elections, instead you so called intellectuals elected "W" twice,in addition this was during a time when the economy was fairly decent. If Mc Cain wasn't more electable than "W" what makes you think the majority of America wants him as president, now that we a reaped the fruits of experience with "W"? You talk about Obama and his former pastor I heard more hateful things out the mouths of republicans, feminist and Clinton bigots which does nothing but validate Wright's garbage and makes you equally guilty. Regardless,change is coming and it time for you folks to find to raise a standard in your own lives and find a new argument based on policy rather racist man hating propaganda. people are desperate for change Obama will get it done the republicans afterall haven't set the bar very high that's for sure!!!!


Senator McCain quoting a Hamas spokeman? If the spokesman has little credibility, how does that reflect on the person who quotes him?


"Age is telling on me just as it is telling on me. "

You got that right.


Wow, I think some of the posters here have lost THEIR bearings.


BillW's comment of Obama "appealing to the ignorant" may hold a glimmer of logic...albeit flawed. He does appeal "NEGATIVELY" to the ignorant! Ignorance of the obvious...this country needs a change. You'd have to be "ignorant" if you can't recognize and understand that...right? Don't worry, Senator Obama will protect your right to be and remain ignorant when he becomes President of the United States. It's astonishing how blind some folks are to their own ignorance! Genuine objective introspection is too much for some to handle...understood!


McCain will have a shorter time frame with which to do the damage that a whole primary race did not, but he does respectfully have the advantage of policy differences. I think more than the petty mud slamming the one thing to call the general, which will be close near it's end, will have a to do with how people feel about the actual issues.

Posted by: Sam Adams | May 10, 2008 1:46 PM


McCain has the advantage on policy?!?!


John "100 years in Iraq, Bomb Bomb Iran, I don't know anything about the economy" McCain has that as a policy "advantage"?


Catherine, look, I know you're still broken up about Hillary but please let it go, will ya? : 0 )


McCain has lost his bearings in his praise of Alito and Roberts, the two justices who gutted the McCain/Feingold provisions on independent expenditures. McCain can't have it both ways touting his record of achievement while promising to appoint justices who will block the progress which he champions.


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OK, do we all speak ENGLISH or not. These are not BALL BEARINGS or MARBLES... he's losing his sense of direction. Oh, but that would be too intellectual to actually understand what the man is saying. Bearing is a COMPASS reading.

I voted for McCain in 2000 when he was saying completely different things. He's been "flip flopping" all over the place recently and he will pay for it in sound bites just like Kerry did.

For example bemoaning the fact that someone led Americans to believe that Iraq would be an easy war. Hmmmm... McCain was the President's biggest cheerleader. He's got great sound bites that prove HE was one of the ones who mislead us. He actually said "Mission Accomplished" in a speech, but now will claim he never did. Wake up. We have tapes you can't erase. The media keeps letting him recreate his own history.

I long for the man McCain used to be before he got cozy with the Bush family that ran his campaign into the ground with slime.


Oh, I see we can't comment on the article. It WAS a good read. I wasn't lying.
Oh, I see we can't comment on the article. It WAS a good read. I wasn't lying.

Gee...I'm a little confused...are you Kaye c. also? You obviously must think that Americans are stupid if you think the Hamas comment was substantive.


Remember Walter Mondale?

Come Nov., O'Bama and all you ignorant people who think B. Hussien is the next coming of holiness, hope and change are going to find out.

Welcome President John McCain & First Lady Cindy McCain (in a landslide). B. Hussien does not even have the experience to lick a Marine's boots let alone be their Commander-in-Chief.

You O'Bama people are delusional.


Let's ruffle a few feathers. Fox News doesn't need anyone to belittle them. They're doing fine all by themselves, To paraphrase MacNeil of the MacNeil-Lehrer report: If Fox News is your only sourse of news, you deserve what you get.


I note McCain didn't mention Obama's other votes on Judges that Bush put forth, or Obama's comments on them - or it would be OBVIOUS Obama was NOT voting based on partisan politics.

More spinning from McCain, the man who championed the pandering Gas Tax Holiday. We're supposed to trust him? I don't think so. His kind of 'experience' is NOT what the American people need.


Nobody believes one word McCain has to say. He brings up voting for Justice Roberts as an example of Obama not being partisan? Is this some kind joke? I couldn't stop laughing. I was like...IS THAT ALL YOU GOT, OLD MAN? Seriously!
Kaye C. you must have been living under a rock for the last 6 weeks. What a joke. Herbito, keep your racist opinion to yourself. Oregon hardly has any blacks and neither does Montana and South Dakota or of the other western states Obama has won.


McCain is not a man of character. He constantly cheated on his first wife, even having sexual affairs with Navy female subordinates which is a violation of military ethics. He dumped his first wife after she became disabled in a car accident. Then he went chasing after Cindy, a blonde beer heiress in her 20s. McCain was in his 40s at the time. Twenty years older, come on that's pretty sleazy of McCain.


Bill R....Now who is judging???So who are you??Judas??Come now...Are we not both Democrats??I am just saying we need more than Rhetoric from Obama..The blacks and cult groupies just can't get him a win in Nov...Nor the elitist, nor the College grads he sometimes picks up. Too many blue collar workers and typical white people. He will lose to McCain and we will have 4 more years of Bushanomics....Sad!!!


I used to like McCain because he seemd to be an independent thinker but he has sold out to get the nomination. He may get older people but even then his stance on the war and the economy are not convincing


No, Reagan was the empty orator. Obama actually has intelligence, education, knowledge, and depth to go with his communication skills.


all you ignorant people who think B. Hussien is the next coming
Posted by: Tami | May 10, 2008 2:48 PM

I don't know of any candidate by this name. Oh...are you trying to make a point about the fact that his NAME doesn't sound American enough for you? Great point..sound, meaningful,ignorant. Guess I'll have to start putting my middle name in on my posts to stand against the rediculous. I thought we had gotten past this...but I see many idiots have returned from the trough.


It's the Economy Stupid!

McCain has already said that he knows NOTHING about the economy and it shows.

McCain is going to lose in the Fall because the economy stinks!

Plus the Obama campaign is registering MILLIONS of new Dem voters in the next 6 months. That indeed could change the electorate.


Posted by: kaye c. | May 10, 2008 3:13 PM

I'll be honest..reading your posts, it's hard to tell what party. I can tell you I may support Obama but would vote democrat no matter who. I can also tell you that you may look through all the past posts and I have never once trashed Hillary. I have defended her on many threads. This type of arguments do no good for the party whomever is the candidate.


If the Republicans choose to "smear by association" I guess we'll have to go back to the Keating Five; Cindy's Beer Distributor Friends, and Mr Volatility's best one-liners. Fortunately, the Democrats have now learned how to smear right back... If McCain decides to travel the low road.. he'll be the nightly topic on Jon Stewart.


DJ says re Obama:
He does appeal "NEGATIVELY" to the ignorant!

So then, Abraham Lincoln was ignorant when he said "to win the election, impress the ignorant"? I don't think so. 92% of blacks for Obama - call it whatever you want, but it's racism and that's ignorant.


yeah obama might as well pick walter mondale for his veep,since hes jimmy carter 2.0. He has the same failed policies as carter...appeasing jihadists(guess he cant help it though, with all the family ties),raise taxes,punish business,anti-energy,suck up(and give 0.7 of our GNP) to the failed and incredibly corrupt U.N.,etc,etc. their i mentioned only his policies and he still sucks.


Billw wrote:

"Age is telling on me just as it is telling on me. "
You got that right.

Bill, it takes a real man like yourself to attack an 80 year old woman for a typo. If you (and your friend McCain) can still get out of bed at 80 it will be a surprise.

What a jerk...


92% of blacks for Obama -
Posted by: Billw | May 10, 2008 3:41 PM

So tell me...as a white guy...how many white candidates have you voted for?
All of them?


So DJ? Did your ignorance bit splash back on you?


Senator McCain's criticism of Barack Obama is just.Barack Obama was wrong to vote against Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito for the Supreme Court.These are eminently qualified justices.While Senator McCain's votes for confirmation of these tremendous judges reflect his devotion to defending the right to life, Barack Obama fears upsetting the pro-choice lobbyists in Washington.


"...inexperienced, self-entitled, and effete..."

Nearly perfect, but the McCain people left out the most damning truth about Obama: he is not only the most liberal Senator in a Senate full of absurd liberals, he surrounds himself with America-hating leftists.

He is further from the mainstream of U.S. political thought than anyone ever nominated.


To bill "Hussein" r.

You misread... I said racism was ignorant.



Gerald said:

"If you (and your friend McCain) can still get out of bed at 80 it will be a surprise."

I'm 79 myself. I served in both the Marines and The 101st. airborne and I get out of bed
fine. Nowhere did I say I was for McCain. What I am not for is support for Obama, regardless of age or gender.


but the McCain people left out the most damning truth about Obama: he is not only the most liberal Senator in a Senate full of absurd liberals,
Posted by: Jerry | May 10, 2008 4:27 PM

Good point...the only way I know how to answer that is...McBush is from a party full of absurd conservatives.


If Hillary doesn´t get the Democratic nomination, then how about a write-in campaign for Hillary in the November election?
That way one does not have to vote for either Obama or McCain.


I don't understand. Both McCain and Obama claim to be politicians who reach across the aisle. McCain has proof; Obama has no proof. McCain is in the middle; Obama is hard left.

I saw a complaint about McCain's self-deprecating remark about his knowledge of the economy. If that's true, I suggest that Obama bone up on his tax policy answers. He looked like a fool during the ABC News debate--and I don't mean when he was whining about the character questions. I hear him uniformly talk about "closing loopholes for corporations in the tax code," and I'd like to know--specifically, even generally--what he has in mind.

He's a week candidate, and I'm sorely disappointed the the Trib didn't expose him for the weasle that he is years ago. Talk about the press rolling over for a politician. I grew up reading the Trib, and I thought its writers had the stones to smoke shifty politicians out.


Democrook candidates openly support illegal aliens. They refuse to even call them that. In short, the dem candidates have more regard for any common criminal that enters the USA illegally than they do for the citizens or the legal immigrants. Only an ignorant fool would support such a candidate.


Unlike McCain, Obama has been fighting a two-front war...

McCain also has a two front war; he not only has to defeat the opposition, he also has to defeat the major medial outlets who are starry-eyed in love with Obama.


Sorry folks; McCain's age is a problem for me to overlook. I'm 65 years old and I know what it's like when you are 55 and over. You do... forget your barrings at times. John McCain is too old for a job this Indepth. The Nation has too much work to be done by a grandpa. We need a Young person's mind to remember things. John did not remember what he said a few days, weeks or months ago.
Obama is the man for the Job.
It would be a tall order for H. Clinton to handle as well. Being a female, I liked the idea of a women president. When she stood before the country and lied I'm finished with her. They are just not the right folks for the job. Obama is the man as I see it.


"am a young woman...

Robert St. John"

Shouldn't that be Roberta then? lol


Obamanation was on CNN and told Wolf Blitzer that people should ignore his lack of experience and trust in his good judgment. With Wright, Ayers, and Rezko, we have three glaring examples of his poor judgment. Add to that his statement that he'd meet Ahmadamnutjob without preconditions and despite the fact that it would reduce revenues, he would raise the Capital Gains Tax because it would be "fairer," and you have five honking examples of bad judgment. Can anyone offer some offsetting examples of his good judgment?


If McCain's advisers think running on experience in a Change election is a good idea, they're idiots. Either that or they're too elitist/been lobbying too many years to understand what regular Americans think and feel?

And judgment? Are you kidding me? Let's see.. who was it that got in bed with Keating? Oh, yes. That was McCain. And who gave Bush a blank check in Iraq, thus making us less safe and diverting us from nabbing bin Laden? Oh yes...

McCain 1980.

Obama 2008.


McCain likes it both ways. He's the ultimate flip-flopper and I just hope Obama has the strength and tenacity to call him out, again and again, during their debates!



Someone said re Obama:

"He surrounds himself with America-hating leftists."

And racists. Amazing he gets some support, but then those of like kind don't find much fault with each other.


Posted by: John E | May 10, 2008 2:31 PM
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Can you read? An advantage NOT in the way your "Pavlov's dog" would have you think. Hillary and Obama ARE so similar in qualifications, vision, and policy that there is nothing to draw a SUBSTANTIVE difference between the two. The only thing left, or that has defined the primary, was who is the first to be negative, or the most negative. Eventhough the measure of negativity rests on qualifications, vision, and policy, the primary never could or did spend too much time challenging anything underneath the negativity because they really were similar. The media left with such similar candidates was left with only making the distinction on superficial takes, almost in a need to fabricate, I don't mean lie, but try to create that divide on something..mainly negativity. To their defense, stuff-- negativity-- that registers and keeps people interested. Contrary to two candidates who underneath it all are similar--as to worthiness based on qualifications, vision, and policy--McCain has the advantage of differing on policy. When candidates are so similar, in all ways, all the news is based around how do you feel about the candidate saying this or that. When the candidates are different, in any way like policy, the news will base around more of not only how you feel about a candidate but how do you feel about the candidate and the way they present their policy difference. Hillary never had the ability to factor in that policy difference, although she tired, because Obama and Hillary were THAT similar. Actually it made her look crazy to try to make a distinction. Anytime she did it could only be read as challenging his commitment to said policy, not drawing a diffence on the actual policy. I don't know if you get what I'm getting at. If you don't then consider that the article above is in some way saying the same thing. Except it mentions factoring a *different audience* that will come into the picture in the final election. I played around with the fact that that audience is different because they aren't backing a candidate with SIMILAR policy BUT they think their candidate is better---- the new audience factored DIFFERS on policy AND thinks their candidate is better. A LOT more distinction will come into play. It is an advantage. There is a lot more to talk about.
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And no I am not "MJ" or "Catherine." You've got one more guess and then let it go. : )
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Billw:

Based on what you've said, I apologize. I respect your service to this country and acknowledge you have experiences in life that I don't have yet. I shouldn't have made a disparaging comment with regard to age and am sorry for that. I don't believe in dismissing folks due to age, to the contrary they should be respected.


McBush is from a party full of absurd conservatives.

Posted by: bill "Hussein" r. | May 10, 2008 4:58 PM
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Read closer for the actual point. And if you are referring to McCain, note that he is not by anyone's definition a conservative. He operates in the political center, and lives to insult conservatives.

He just happens to be infinitely more qualified than Obama and closer to my position on every important issue. Obama is a fraud and a neophyte, easily duped, and surrounded by fools like Wright, Ayers, and his own wife - an angry, racist affirmative action beneficiary who likes to pretend that she is a victim of something.

I have only one use for McCain - he is running against a Marxist, Obama. So for now I will support him, and pray that science continues to prove Global Warming Hysteria to be a joke, before he ruins the economy.

And speaking of the economy, why on earth are Obama's supporters getting suckered into a campaign about the economy? The has never been a candidate who knows less about economics than Obama.


Blacks are voting for him as a block (92%) -thats the exact number that voted for Kerry and Bill Clinton, its not racism just over analysis because suddenly the recipient of the support is black. Only 6 months ago, Hilary was ahead by over 20 points among black and white voters. Yes, Obama has chipped away vast support from whites, blacks and latinos, the reason he is winning from ME to CO, to MS to WS. He is doing his homework and cutting the middlemen going directly to the base. McCain be afraid.....


To Bill R. I support HRC..Obama will never get elected President...Everyone that votes for Obama is actually just giving their vote to McCain if it gets that far..Hopefully the media will vet him like they have HRC and McCain and the public will actually know what they are voting for..I believe true Democrats should forget which candidate they like best and vote for the person that actually has a chance to become President by beating McCain in Nov...We can not afford another 4 yr. reign of Republican rule..BRING OUR TROOPS HOME...


Greatest Hits:

"Remember Walter Mondale?

Come Nov., O'Bama and all you ignorant people who think B. Hussien is the next coming of holiness, hope and change are going to find out."

Ronald Reagan has been the Holiness for the Conservative Party.

"McCain is in the middle; Obama is hard left".

Yeah right - McCain is in the middle along with his Catholic hating pastor and his friends Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Oh Yeah, and his Rev. Moon supporter/lobbyist Charlie Black.


What good is experience alone, if your experience shows that you've been on the wrong side of history?


bill - go study the definition of the word "Marxism", you obviously have no idea what the word means.

Or else you are simply throwing out insults that you know are inappropriate. It's as silly as if someone called McCain a Fascist because he is closer to the Right end of the political spectrum. Neither term applies even remotely to either individual.


a candidate coddled by a loving press corps

This describes McCain much more than Obama or Clinton.

See
http://www.amazon.com/Free-Ride-John-McCain-Media/dp/0307279405

for details


Let's talk about who associates with who and who supports who. The mainstream media needs us.

I don't want to talk or think or hear about the 4,000+ miliary deaths to defend America's oil supply instead of fighting al-qaeda. Or how jobs are going to China because big business lobby firms have control over old-school politians.

I can't wait for my income to qualify for the permanent tax breaks for the rich under McCain's vision of the future.


I believe in Obama. I believe in Change.

I believe Obama will be Carter II (they have all the same friends).

Change you can believe in for sure. Change for the worse.

Obama 08


I see a common thread running through out the comments of Obama supporters; That we need CHANGE with a capital 'C' I have listened now to Obama for 6 months, and I can't say I understand what sort of change he thinks we need. Motly what I hear is hot air and platitudes.
It's CHANGE when your taxes go up and the economy predictably goes down.
better yet, lets ask Mr. Frog!
It was change when Mr, Frog jumped out of the frying pan and into the FIRE.
Why don't you all asked him how he liked it?


yeah obama might as well pick walter mondale for his veep,since hes jimmy carter 2.0. He has the same failed policies as carter...appeasing jihadists(guess he cant help it though, with all the family ties),raise taxes,punish business,anti-energy,suck up(and give 0.7 of our GNP) to the failed and incredibly corrupt U.N.,etc,etc. their i mentioned only his policies and he still sucks.
Posted by: jbs | May 10, 2008 3:44 PM

I won't bring up Billw's "appealing to the ignorant' thread, but...

I think McCain's 20 hours of service in combat, his cracking up of 5 expensive military aircraft, his cheating on one wife and calling the other the c word will make him an excellent leader for this nation. It will follow the path laid by Mr. 'every business he touches is a failure' Bush. And all that is fact, jbs.


Considering Mr. McCain's wish to stay in Iraq for the rest of our lives, as well as his general cluelessness on matters economic, calling someone else's judgment into question may not be such a good idea.

Tracy,

You're the one who's clueless. Go back and read the full transcript of McCain's "100 Years" remarks--just Google them--and you'll quickly realize you're as foolish as you are wrong.

By the way, you're supporting a candidate who thinks there are "57" states in this country. Yeah, I know Obama says he was tired, but it's difficult for Prince Charming to bring up John McCain's age and alleged "cluelessness," when he himself makes boners on a biblical scale.

Oh, and when it comes to "clueless," Obama seems to think he can rewrite history. I suppose you don't know Obama now claims he never said he'd unconditionally meet with Iran...even though he said just that on CNN last year and there's video to prove it.


McCain is just another Bush, a creation of RNC marketing, anyone who considers him a hero has pretty low standards.

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

During his relative short stint on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

What a hero!


Zuckman strikes again!

In the same story where she editorializes that: "...McCain has gotten an early jump"...

...she also states that fact that: "A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll released Friday showed Obama leading McCain 45 percent to 40 percent...".

Can someone please tell Zuckman that a reporter's job is to report the facts, not her own opinion?


I would much rather have John McCain complete George Bush's third term than have Barack Obama finish Jimmy Carter's second.


bill r: These poor scared white folk can't understand at all the black church.

After seeing the various clips of Reverend Wright preaching I think that white folk have a pretty good idea about the church where Barack Obama attended for 20 years.

Is it you contention that all black churches are the same? I'd like to see some evidence to back up that claim.


Prince Charming to bring up John McCain's age
Posted by: MarkJ | May 11, 2008 9:34 AM


For one that thinks "losing his bearings" as meaning old, you really have no argument telling us 100 years doesn't really mean 100 years.


Reading all of this is a nice, relaxed way to spend a Sunday afternoon, but do you people REALLY think YOUR thoughts are going to make a bit of difference when it comes to the results of the different states' elections??? Yes, I'm talking about all of you ignorant racists, especially, who insist on intimating that Obama is "in" with terrorists, is dumb, etc. Talk ALL THE TRASH you want, then go back to your room and cry as Senator Obama continues to get more superdelegates BY THE DAY!!! WAAAAH!!!!! Also, why don't you look up McCain's website and see how many contributors HE has??? ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...don't tell me you've never heard that TRUE EXPRESSION!!! Their contributions even dispel the "Bradley factor" (WHEN VOTERS SAY ONE THING, THEN GO INTO THE VOTING BOOTH AND VOTE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT WAY) BECAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS!!! Now, all of you who are anti Obama...EXPLAIN THAT!!!!


I'm all for sending Sen. Obama out to find states 51-57, and leaving the adults to run the country.

McCain in '08!


Rita,

Zuckman won't report the facts, just like she won't allow posts on this blog if they disagree w/her opinion. She won't put on her that Obama is endorsed by terrorists worldwide - Hamas - even if the link is quoted.

Let's see if the 4th time is a charm.


Is it you contention that all black churches are the same? I'd like to see some evidence to back up that claim.

Posted by: Mark in Texas | May 11, 2008 11:45 AM

Absolutely. One need only google black church, or African-American church and read any of the links. It tells of a church that has helped Afro-American people through a long period of time of discrimination. This taken from one of these sites: As the center of African American life, the church gives spiritual guidance as well as a sense of equality among peers. Because most African Americans did not feel equal in the presence of whites, the church was a comfort zone where no one had to feel inferior. I just find it amazing that whites can't understand or have empathy for years of discrimination and the need that the black church has filled for hundreds of years.


A lot of Obama supporters seem to paint McCain as 'losing his bearings'. Well what do you call a guy who makes the gaff of 'Visiting all 57 States'? Send that man a TomTom!

Obama seems to be a nice of enough fellow. But he was a back bencher at Ill State and US Senate. Name one piece of legislation that has his name on the masthead as lead.


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