Obama wouldn't 'martyr' bin Laden: The Swamp
The Swamp
Posted June 18, 2008 4:05 PM
The Swamp

by Mike Dorning

Barack Obama said today that he would try to avoid turning Osama bin Laden into a martyr who could provide a rallying point for a new generation of Islamist radicals.

Obama said is not certain that the terrorist leader would be captured alive. But if bin Laden were taken into custody, Obama said he would bring the terrorist to justice "in a way that allows the entire world to understand the murderous acts that he's engaged in and not to make him into a martyr

The presumptive Democratic nominee added the the capture of bin Laden would offer a high-profile moment to demonstrate to the world "that the United States government is abiding by the basic conventions that would strengthen our hand in the broader battle against terrorism."

Obama drew a comparison with the prosecution of Nazi war criminals at the Nuremburg trials, which he called "one of the high water marks" of U.S. foreign policy.

"The world had not seen before victors behave in ways that advanced a set of universal principles. And that set a tone for post-war reconstruction and creation of an international order that I think was extraordinarily important," he continued.

Obama was asked about how he would handle bin Laden by a press pool after the senator met with a new team of national security advisers at a hotel in Washington D.C.

The meeting came as the McCain campaign has criticized Obama for a "Sept. 10" mindset for promoting criminal trials of terrorist suspects.

Obama also told reporters that he had not spoken in recent days with former Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

"She has been getting a well-deserved vacation and we will be speaking I think in the next few days or certainly the next week and will be having an ongoing conversation," Obama said.

Clinton and Obama are to meet jointly with top Clinton fundraisers next Thursday.

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Hey, whatever happened to that Osama Bin Laden guy anyway?


Oh, that's right, Bush, Cheney and McCain decided that it was more important to pre-emptively invade Iraq looking for non-exsistent WMD's than it was to actually catch the guy who MASTERMINDED 9/11!
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Smart strategy, Nothing makes a leader look weaker than rotting in prison. It's gotten a proven track record, and it works.

Of course the blood thirsty right will scream, but imprisoning him would send him off to oblivion, out of sight, out of touch and forgotten while he's still alive, rather than making him a potent symbol of strength and defiance.


Of Course he wont, because he ain't going to even try to find him.


I have to agree with Obama's direction with the terrorists. Make a public display of them and the murderous behavior. Also once (if can be used if you like) convicted we should not use the death penalty but let them live out their lives in a regular prison. 20 years without anyone caring about them or what happened to them is what they need. I think you would see a large change in the individuals. Seems that death for them is a victory.


i say, catch him, turn him into a girl, and make him work on "the view"


Nope, just the middle class.


Obama's exactly right. The worst humiliation for bin Laden would be to spend the rest of his life in the Florence dungeon like Ted Kaczynski.


If Obama becomes president, get ready for the Republicans and their media to begin screaming and yelling about bin Laden not being caught.


Capture him, then find out why the FBI most wanted list , has him listed as 'left-handed' When on the so called bin-laden confession video he is writing with his right hand!


If Obama becomes president, get ready for the Republicans and their media to begin screaming and yelling about bin Laden not being caught.

Posted by: Paul | June 18, 2008 5:58 PM

Hmmm... Why aren't they screaming now?


Obama really is a complete joke.

Cite the Nuremberg Trials? Fact is, Obama's Supreme Court buddies just issued an opinion that would have allowed Goering, and every other Nazi POW from World War II, to sue in US court to be released. Obama, to his eternal discredit, has applauded this opinion. If Obama becomes president, Osama is more likely to die of old age than anything else.

Can a presidential candidate really be that ignorant, that clueless? Or more likely, he knows better, but says what he says in order to appease the extreme left wing of his own party.


Let's try him, waste money, tie up the courts. Brilliant idea from the King of all Teleprompters.

He killed 4000+ of our people, just remember that.


Obama has also said he would nuke parts of Pakistan ( an ally) if he thought Osama was there. Obviously, this wouldn't kill him, or bin Laden would be a martyr.


Some of you people are complete morons. George Bush isn't looking for bin Laden, the US Military forces are looking. Then to suggest that we could have had him by now if we hadn't gone into Iraq is to suggest that the US Military can't "multi task". Scores of Nazi SS men escaped to Argentina following WW2. Was that Harry Truman's fault? The US Military? NO. The US Military IS looking for bin Laden and it may be a surprise to many of you Bush haters, but the US Military CAN "multi task"! They've been doing it for over 200 years.


How silly! His stated policies are to surrender Iraq to Bin Laden and to refuse to monitor terrorist phone calls. Under Obama, Bin-Laden would be just another featured speaker at Trinity Church.


I really find it odd that there are some who think Bin Laden, if captured, must be brutally murdered in public rather than tried in a court and either jailed/executed through a system of justice, while chastising those who prefer a system of justice.

These are the same people who have ignored Bin Laden since 911, because they were told to.

If the media were truly liberal or at least objectivist about national security, they would have called for Bush's impeachment when he diverted course in 2003 and ignored the greatest terrorist threat in the world, which is Bin Laden and Al Qaida. Then the media would have repeatedly called for his impeachment each year for continuing to fail in bringing justice to those that caused 911.

The Bush administration and the Republican party have failed the country with their inexcusable lack of judgment, along with the lapdog democrats who failed to challenge them, and the lapdog press that reported what they were told rather than question the obvious lies.

Fortunately, there is always a new day to correct our wrongs of the past.

We have a candidate that actually wants to address the Bin Laden issue, and a columnist that covers it. Bravo. It's about time.


Obama's comparison of Bin laden and Hitler are not the same thing. Hitler was the most notorious &hateful leader in the entire world, he killed because he was envious of the Jewish race because they were smarter, richer, and were Gods' chosen people. Bin laden has no excuse whatsoever, except the mere reason of his religion. If Obama researched history a little bit farther, he would find out that the US had a part in Hitler 's reign against the Jewish race and did nothing to stop it. Now in the 21st century America wants to conquer Bin laden because he is putting a dent in their banking system.


Obama will want to meet with Osama Tobaggen, face to face, no preconditions, to share ideas about how to make the world a better place. Right after he concludes such talks with the leader of Iran. Venezuela. Cuba.


It's astounding that Obama doesn't understand that Osama would never let himself be captured alive. Again, this shows how inexperience and naive Obama is. We can't afford to have Obama in the White House.


Just make sure he has life with NO PAROLE. Put him with Charlie Manson...you do remember him don't you? :) That would be better revenge than just killing him.


Jason does have the best idea. Unfortunately, all of Obama's friends in the legal community will be lining up to be bin Laden's counsel. Don't you love the trial lawyers. Probably get bin Laden found innocent and get hin compensatory damages to boot - of course less a 1/3 fee.


Another reason for Osama to Gobama!


Is this guy Obama for real. He's going to bring him to justice, to "innocent before proven guilty?" With an OJ defense? If the bomb doesn't fit, you must acquit? And then a jury finds Osama innocent and turns him out to "martyr" 3,000 other American citizens?
If there is anyone more naive than Obama in this country, please stand up.


Hello! All you supreme court nuts - no democrat has put one in since ?? I'm thinking 1992 or so. So Obama has what clout over the supreme court?

Can't wait until the election. I'm already ready reading all the hatefuly right-wing crap.

Going to be a joyful election this time around, and it's doubtful our highest court will have to be involved!

It's been a long and painful 8 years, and yes, most intelligent voters remember.


Terry,
It's the trail lawyers who are keeping Republican Wall Street crooks like you out of prison.


Bin laden will not be captured because he has too many die-hard followers who actually love him, unlike Hussein who got sold out by one of his own men for money. But frankly, I doubt if bin laden is still even alive.....

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ACCORDING TO THE KHORAN A MUSLIM IS NOT ALLOWED TO KILL A MUSLIM.......


Have any of you figured out yet that the media only reports what they want you to believe. They are the tricksters, the deceivers, and the marketing machine that moves the way the public thinks, feels and reacts. Just because you read that it happened, does not make it the whole truth. People are lining up to support this guy or that guy, and have forgotten that we as a people originally sought to be a free people, devoid of such corruption.
Our government today is far more tyranical then the days of King George's England. Does anyone know why this country was founded in the first place? No taxation without representation, religious freedom, the inane rights of a man to live without fear of his government.

We the people have to start acting. But the reality is this, more of you vote on American Idol than in elections, most of you care more about Brittany, Paris, Brad and Angelina, than you do your own country. You stand there and decry the actions of the politicians, and you fork out billions of dollars a year to athletes, actors, singers, who do drugs, commit crimes, and live above the law, but are still loved and adored by their fans.

You think its okay to give a drug addict, drunk , 5 time offender another chance, if they are a pretty star, but you will not give the same mercy to the ugly guy down the street.
All men are created equal, we just do not treat them as equal, we have developed a split nation, the haves and the wants. Do you really need the 52" LCD tv? or are you buying it because you see so many ads for one, and those ads make you feel like you are the last guy on the block to have one. The same with digital cameras, GPS, blackberry iphone pda bluetooth users, and dont forget, the new car, with a payment equal to a small house payment. Why can't we be satisfied with just making do with what we already have. The answer is MEDIA. News, TV shows, commercials, ads, all tell you that you are not good enough unless you are a consumer of needless goods. How many commercials do you see for socks? Dont you wear socks? But they arent seen. Why is every commercial, ad, etc showing a trim fit, attractive, 25-30 yr old smiling person, who by the way is usually moving forward? Psychology. Marketing is the most successful psychological operation ever perpertrated on any population. it is so effective that even ads against a product have increased awareness of that product. (cigarettes)

We have school shootings whee no one defends against the shooter and it gets constant daily media saturation, but the ones where a legally armed and trained civilian, stops the would be killer, gets a page 8 small paragraph. Why. Simple. the news media is owned operated and controlled by liberals, who activiely campaign against personal ownership of firearms. There can be no dictatorship if the people can fight back.
the 2nd ammendent is the only thing protecting the first ammendment. The news media owners, the elite and wealthy all know this.
The want sheeple, to follwo their everyword, buy their products and keep them wealthy.

make you own decisions and stop being brainwashed by what you read.


"he killed because he was envious of the Jewish race because they were smarter, richer, and were Gods' chosen people"

um... what? first of all, Hitler killed because he blamed the Jewish people for Germany's defeat in WWI and the subsequent embarassment forced upon them by the Treaty of Versailles. and because he was crazy.
Second, a blanket statement that Jewish people are smarter and richer is ludicrous and a sweeping generalization (not to mention the latter is a stereotype). Furthermore, calling them "God's chosen people" has no place in that argument, and debunks your later argument that "the mere reason of his religon," as by your logic bin Laden would believe HE is one of God's chosen people and is carrying out his just jihad (although his view of Islam is highly skewed)

Anyways, Obama's is a good stance. Martyrdom is a glorious end for jihadists, and it is without a doubt a rallying call. Rotting in a prison is humiliating and displays one's powerlessness. They won't catch him though, he could be anywhere by now (or dead w/o kidney dialysis handy on the run)


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