John McCain: Obama's Iraq tour revealing: The Swamp
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If Barack Obama had had his way in Iraq, McCain says, the war would be lost.

Posted July 21, 2008 9:10 AM
Obama and Talabani

Barack Obama talks with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani during a visit to his offices July 21 in Baghdad. He also met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. He plans to meet with the U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus. (Photo by Wathiq Khuzaie/Getty Images)

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by Mark Silva

With so much attention focused on Sen. Barack Obama's tour of Afghanistan, Iraq and Europe, Sen. John McCain was asked this morning if he's finding it "a little hard to make news.''

Actually, McCain suggested, Obama will be making the news that McCain wants Americans to see: That the "surge'' of American forces in Iraq has worked, with McCain suggesting today that if the U.S. had heeded Obama's direction things would be going much worse in Iraq today.

"Well, I hope that the people will have a better focus on the
fact that we have succeeded in our strategy in Iraq,'' McCain told Harry Smith, co-host of CBS News' The Early Show. "We are winning the war and Sen. Obama was wrong. He railed against it, he voted against the surge, and he said it would fail. He was wrong there, and there's very little doubt in my mind that he will see for himself that he had a gross misjudgment and that he'll correct that and so I think it's important...''

Obama has met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki today, and was planning to meet with U.S. Army Gen. David Petraeus.

"One of the other things that (Obama) has said is that maybe the troops should be out within the next 18 months, an idea that Prime Minister al-Maliki basically agrees with,'' Smith reminded McCain. "Maybe the surge, in fact, did work. Is it time for American troops to start coming home?''

"Well, Prime Minister Maliki agreed with President Bush that it would be conditions-based,'' replied McCain, campaigning in Portland, Me. "If Sen. Obama had had his way, they've have been out last March, and we'd have never had the surge and we would have failed and we would have then faced enormous consequences of defeat, both there, and it would have--in Iraq and it would have affected Afghanistan.

"If we'd have chosen to lose in Iraq, we would have had a very serious problem, more serious problem in Afghanistan as well. So as Admiral Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said yesterday, it would be very dangerous to do what Sen. Obama wants to do, and he still fails to acknowledge that the surge succeeded... He said it would fail, and voted against it and railed against it....

"The conditions there would be very different where he's visiting as far as security is concerned and as far as our progress is concerned,'' McCain said. "if we had done what he wanted to do.''

Smith asked, "With all this attention this week about foreign policy, which would be your higher priority when you become president of the United States: the economy or foreign policy?''

"Oh, I think you have to do both,'' McCain said. "Obviously, the security of our citizens is a president's first priority, but the economy is hurting very badly. We need to do a lot of things now. Nuclear power, which Sen. Obama opposes, offshore drilling, which he opposes... We've got to have hybrid, hydrogen, we've got to have wind, solar, tide--we've got to embark on a national mission for energy independence, keep people in their homes and recover the economy. So I think Americans are hurting very badly and it's of the highest priority.''


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Tell it like it is McCain !


Agree with McCAIN-
Obama is total confusion.
Shure hope the taxpayers aren't paying for his trip and the BORAX paint job on his airplane-


If the media had the "fairness" doctrine that Democrats want in order to silence talk radio, they would be hard pressed to give McCain even a fraction of the time and space they are giving Obama. Usually, the break is about 3-1 in favor of Obama. This week, it's like a Harlem Globetrotters score, 100 to nothing. For the Democrats wanting their "unfairness" doctrine, be careful what you wish for. You'd put NBC, ABC and CBS out of business.


If the media had the "fairness" doctrine that Democrats want in order to silence talk radio, they would be hard pressed to give McCain even a fraction of the time and space they are giving Obama. Usually, the break is about 3-1 in favor of Obama. This week, it's like a Harlem Globetrotters score, 100 to nothing. For the Democrats wanting their "unfairness" doctrine, be careful what you wish for. You'd put NBC, ABC and CBS out of business.


Nobama

No Experience
Poor Judgment


John McCain thought the war would be "short" and "easy". He did not expect a long drawn out occupation. He never mention such a thing prioor to the war, not once.

His judgement was dead wrong. Thousands have paid the ultimate price for his miscalculation.


What the McSame sycophants conveniently forget is the fact that the whole purpose of the surge was for the Iraqi government to get its act together. And it ain't happened.


Barack Obama has been right from the get go. The only way the Iraqis will stand up is when we leave.


Mission Accomplished. Surges. Progress. We're winning...

We've been 'winning' for 5 years now. So, can we leave? Or is Iraq the only thing that's maintaining the survival of the Republican Party? Amazing how so-called 'conservatives' watch their leaders bankrupt our country and misuse our military, and they cheer.

The 'conditions' are this. Iraq has to run its own country.


McCain has learned well from his teacher GWB. Stick to the script without ever providing basis for your utterances. What is the definition of victory in Iraq? If we have won, why do we need to stay? If terror is on the run, why are we tightening security around the country? Considering the amount of time it will take to develop these resources, how does drilling offshore or building nuclear power plants create jobs near term? McCain has become another talking head without a spine or personal position, pandering for support and campaign contributions.
That being written, it remains to be seen if Obama will deliver on the character he implies or is attributed with possessing.


Last time I checked, you don't win football games by getting first downs. You have to reach the endzone, Sen. McCain. I don't care if the military component of the surge is successful. There was never any doubt that increasing the amount of soldiers would make a difference. The result I care about is soldiers coming home to their families.


Obama says troops should be out in 16 mo's. According to HIS good judgement the surge has gone so good he put that time line on it.

Keep watching..........


McCain/Bush keep talking about "winning." I thought we went into Iraq to get rid of Hussein. He's dead. It's over. Even the attention of Al-Quida has switched to Afghanistan. Yet McCain keeps harping on staying in Iraq so he can claim "victories" against an enemy that's moved on. Obama has been right from the beginning. That's the kind of experience that counts.


obama is dangerous... and doesn't have a clue when it comes to foreign policy. His 'Dog and Pony' won't change that fact - or fool thinking Americans.


jo, there was a doubt that increasing the amount of soldiers would decrease violence. Obama said in January of 2007 "I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there." "In fact, I think it will do the reverse." That stemmed of course from the liberal rhetoric at the time, i.e., that American troops, not AQ or other insurgent groups, were the problem, so any increase would necessarily inflame matters. Obama has shelved that rhetoric, along with other similar nonsense. For example, when is the last time you heard Obama say "civil war" in Iraq?


Obama says troops should be out in 16 mo's. According to HIS good judgement the surge has gone so good he put that time line on it.
Keep watching..........

Posted by: Teresa | July 21, 2008 11:22 AM


McCain is an idiot, if Obama had his way the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq (that McCain voted for) never would have happened in the first place.


Has McCain even figured out the difference between the Sunni's and the Shiites in Iraq yet?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
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I'm with you Curtis - thinking Americans know that two weeks on a whirlwind tour of
Europe and the Middle East cannot give a person foreign policy credentials! He will still have no experience, no qualifications, and only one thing he can point to that guessed right on - and that was before he was a U.S. Senator and had to vote based upon the intelligence provided by the government. It's laughable, except that we can't make jokes about Obama! But, it appears that the media and the 30-second sound bite will elect another president who is unqualified and the country will really be worse off after 4 years of Obama. We haven't learned - the media acted the same way with Bush and look where that got us!


"In fact, I think it will do the reverse." That stemmed of course from the liberal rhetoric at the time, i.e., that American troops, not AQ or other insurgent groups, were the problem, so any increase would necessarily inflame matters. Obama has shelved that rhetoric, along with other similar nonsense. For example, when is the last time you heard Obama say "civil war" in Iraq?

Posted by: Herbie H. | July 21, 2008 12:38 PM


The so-called "surge" had nothing to do with it. What Gramdpa McCain fails to mention is that almost all of the recent "success" came about because the US gov't is spending millions of US taxpayer dollars paying off Sunni militia men NOT to shoot at us.


The waring factions in Iraq have always hated each other, they're been fighting each other for over 1300 years. The only ones they hate more than each other are us. If these people start missing some of their US gov't "bribe checks" I guarantee you they'll start blowing up stuff again.


What are McCain's foriegn policy credentials, Anne? How many diplomatic agreements has he negotiated? What are his diplomatic experiences and credentials? Please be specific in your response.


It's laughable, except that we can't make jokes about Obama! But, it appears that the media and the 30-second sound bite will elect another president who is unqualified and the country will really be worse off after 4 years of Obama. We haven't learned - the media acted the same way with Bush and look where that got us!

Posted by: AnneB-IL | July 21, 2008 12:47 PM


Yeah, it sure was nice of John McBush to "dare" Obama to go on an international tour, wasn't it? HAHAHA!


John E No teleprompter>

YouTube - Obama gaffe


John E., Obama himself has admitted that the surge has improved security and decreased violence. That's why he removed his harsh criticism of the surge from his website. Didn't you get that memo? I think it's in the same one that told liberals to stop saying civil war. The real question is whether you will follow your candidate while he gravitates towards the middle. How do you feel about Obama's (recent) positions on gun rights? Abortion? FISA? Death penalty? Slamming Moveon.org and their Betrayus ad? Having troops in Iraq through at least mid-2010? Are these really positions you support? Some of your prior postings on the Swamp suggest otherwise.


I think it's in the same one that told liberals to stop saying civil war. The real question is whether you will follow your candidate while he gravitates towards the middle. How do you feel about Obama's (recent) positions on gun rights? Abortion? FISA? Death penalty? Slamming Moveon.org and their Betrayus ad? Having troops in Iraq through at least mid-2010? Are these really positions you support? Some of your prior postings on the Swamp suggest otherwise.

Posted by: Herbie H. | July 21, 2008 2:21 PM


Quit trying to change the subject, Herb.
Isn't it funny that the Iraqi's agree with Obama on when we should leave Iraq?


Also, the seize fire that was negotiated with Al-Sadr is another one of the major reasons for the supposed "calm" in Iraq.
The different factions of Iraq (Sunni, Shiite, Kuds) hate each other and they're going to fight it out with each other after we leave no matter what we do or how long we stay there. It's their country and we don't have any business being there whatsoever. The only thing Bush and McCain have created in Iraq is a genocide of mass proportions and they've also effectively given control of Iraq to a US backed "gov't" that is sympathetic to Iran.

Mission Accomplished.....NOT!
http://www.newyorkslime.com/osama-mission-accomplished-01.jpg


For those who think John McCain has no foreign policy credentials, perhaps you need to understand that his foreign policy has been based upon numerous trips to the Middle East, meetings with the generals in charge of the war, etc. He did not make pronouncements regarding policy before finding out the facts! For those of you who think McCain is just another Bush, check his voting record to see how many times he opposed Bush and the Republicans, or reached across the aisle to work with the Democrats. Remember that he actually considered changing parties after what was done to him in his last campaign against Bush! He is a moderate, not a far-left liberal who will bankrupt the rest of us with his social programs. Those of us who live in Illinois know he did not represent the people of Illinois while in the state senate and that he has not represented us since he was elected to the U.S. Senate. Check his earmarks - see who benefited from his short time in the Senate - I believe you will find that most money went to Rev. Wright and Father Pfleger for social programs. He comes out of a politically corrupt Chicago machine which has made pay to play politics an art. There is no way he can be as clean as he pretends - he is a politician! Believe it or not, I am not a Republican - I was hoping for Hillary and real change coupled with experience and proven ability. When I look at my current choices - Obama with no experience, no qualifications, just an arrogant empty suit or McCain, a great patriot who has proven his ability to lead and to get things done in the Senate, I don't even have to think. There is no comparison - McCain gets my vote!


McCain, a great patriot who has proven his ability to lead and to get things done in the Senate, I don't even have to think. There is no comparison - McCain gets my vote!

Posted by: AnneB-IL | July 21, 2008 2:54 PM


McCain has flip-flopped on almost every postition imaginable.


McCain is the McSame as Bush - On tax cuts...
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In 2001, McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts, saying "I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of middle-class Americans who most need tax relief." He also voted against additional tax cuts in 2003, later saying that "I just thought it was too tilted to the wealthy, and I still do."
Today, McCain wants to make those tax cuts for the rich permanent.


McCain is the McSame as Bush - On immigration...
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In 2005, McCain supported comprehensive immigration reform, which included a pathway to citizenship.
Now, he claims that "if his original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, he would not vote for it."


McCain is the McSame as Bush - On abortion and Roe v. Wade...
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In 1999, McCain said that he would not support overturning Roe v. Wade "in the short term, or even the long term," because that would "force X number of women in America" to undergo "illegal and dangerous operations."
Today, McCain has campaigned on overturning Roe v. Wade.


McCain - On his revisionist history regarding Donald Rumsfeld...
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In 2004, McCain refused to call for Rumsfeld's resignation, saying that Bush "can have the team around him that he wants around him." In 2006, retired generals called for Rumseld's resignation, but McCain did not.
Now, while running for president, McCain has claimed that "I’m the only one that said that Rumsfeld had to go.".


McCain is the McSame as Bush On torture...
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McCain has traditionally been against torture, citing his experience as a POW for his decision.
Now, McCain voted last month "against a bill that would require the Central Intelligence Agency to abide by the restrictions on interrogating prisoners outlined in the Army Field Manual."


The last two years McCain has missed more Senate votes than any other Senator has and when he has bothered to show up to vote he has voted in lockstep with the pro-Bush/Neocon agenda:

2005: 81%
2006: 86%
2007: 95%
2008: 100%


Herbie H.,
The reason that sectarian violence is down has nothing to do with the surge and everything to do with the fact that neighborhoods were ethnically cleansed around the same time the surge was implemented. Or was ethnic cleansing part of the surge strategy?


Anne, you're confusing me. A senators trips abroad DO count as foreign policy credentials now? You just said they didn't with Obama.

The fact is BOTH candidates are lacking in Foreign policy experience. Being a Senator just doesn't give you that experience in any significant way.


John E- McCain doesn't tell you he hasn't changed his mind when press ask him about and issue.

Obama has answered so many repeated flip flops by saying it's all in our heads. That may not be insulting to you, but that concerns me greatly !!!!!!!!!!!


Just saw on TV Obama playing basketball and everyone looking on adoringly, of course he made the basket (think they called it a 3 pointer). Well that does it for me, guess he's ready to be Commander in Chief. This is the coverage they're putting out, pathetic.


The fact remains that often politics does get in the way of getting the job done. The fact remains that politics often gets in they way of the real day to day work that is required.

My 70 year old father is in Iraq doing more than just looking for talking points.

www.globalconsultants.us/iraq_tour/


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