Oil man: Look to wind for energy answer

"CHENEY SPEAKS"

HE'S JUST ONE BILLIONAIRE FROM TEXAS!
WE HAVE A TWO (2) YEAR MORITORIUM ON ANY "SUSTAINABLE" ENERGY SOURCES UNTIL WE GET TO DUBAI!
BY REMOVING, ATTORNEY GENERAL, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, AND INSERTING SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY. JOE LIEBERMAN AND I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT, AND WILL DEPLOY OUR "SECRETARY" TO DEEM WHAT IS NECESSARY IN AMERICA AND WHAT ISN'T! UNTIL THEN, HE IS JUST ONE BILLIONAIRE SPENDING HIS MONEY AS THOUGH HE HAS PERMISSABLE "MANDATE" FROM ME, DICK CHENEY, AKA MR. FERC! NO WIND, NO SOLAR, JUST OIL, "HUNT OIL" FOR THAT!

Mr. Pickens has unfairly left off mentioning all the hot air and wind power coming out of Washington.

T. Boone for President!

While the oil interests would have you believe that the only way to power this country is through oil. Large companies are really seeing that there is money to be made (saved) through green initiatives.

T Boone Pickens is smart enough to stake his claim on the wind swept fields now in the spread out farming land where the wind blows free and where people are less likely to have a NIMBY attitude when you're subsidizing their farm income by paying property rights to locate a wind turbine.

When billionaires put their money behind a business interest it is not because they are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. It is to make more money.

Remember: It is always about the money.

I like T-Bone and his plan is a good one, but there's just one thing you have to look at to understand why we can't just abandon oil and other alternative fuels because of the promise of wind power: "the U.S. has the capacity to generate 20% of its electricity supply from wind by 2030."
We can't wait until 2030 for gas and other energy prices to come down. Mr. Pickens' plan is a part of the answer, but not the entire answer. We need to rapidly switch to established technologies such as clean, inexpensive nuclear energy and domestically-produced oil from right here in the US before we get anywhere near 20% of our energy from wind power.

Frank James writes: "Maybe Pickens' idea could work, but it would require eveyone in the central U.S to let go of the NIMBY attitude and embraced the thousands if not tens of thousands of windmills it would take to make his plan work."

You mean, actually make people put their money where their mouth is? Instead of just driving their SUVs to the polling place to vote for a candidate who claims to be "green?" What a concept.

Oh, and to make this happen, Ted Kennedy and the other do-gooders in Massachusetts would need to drop their opposition to the wind farm off Cape Cod. You know, the wind mills that can be seen from "their" island?

I caught his interview on NPR yesterday. He has a solid plan including oil and natural gas but using the resources differently than we do now. I believe America can be energy independent in 10 years if it becomes a national priority. We sent a man to the moon...we CAN do this. We just need all Americans to buy in to the program and it will be done.

NIMBY, you say, JB? Like supposed environmentalist Robert Kennedy, Jr. who has famously filed lawsuits to stop a wind energy project because of what it would do to his view of the Cape?

I could care less what T Bone Pickens thinks about anything. He's a proven liar with ZERO integrity.
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Pickens should venture to Freemont, CA and see the environmental ugliness the miles of windmills have inflicted on the beautiful hill country along Interstate 680. At least three quarters of the wind mills are not operating at any given time, often due to breakdowns. And guess what: they don't operate at all when the wind is coming from their backsides, from the East, as it has been doing for the past three weeks. And then there's the question of the thousands of birds the fan blades have killed. The thought that windmills can replace oil for energy is the stuff of what dreams are made...or nightmares.

Why are my posts on this thread being censored?

Mr. Nuclear energy expert Jeff-

How long do you think it takes to design and build a Nuclear power plant? They're not going to go up in a year. They're not going to go up in 5 years. Westinghouse just announced the start of construction of two new reactors in Georgia that have already been designed. They won't be done until 2016 and 2017 at the earliest.

Building a nuclear reactor isn't like throwing up a house. It's certainly not a process you want to rush in any way.

While wind power is a source of energy, it also is a major killer of songbirds. What price do we pay for killing these birds?
And Jeff is correct, we need solutions now not until 2030. Course, the Lefties don't care. They hate people. In fact, they hate everything on this planet, except for themselves, of course.

All this nonsense about time constaints, look at what America, democratic America, did against our enemies during World War II. We put together a war machine that was of historical proportions and we did that within six years!! America can do anything SHE wants to do, that is, only if the Corporations wish it to be !! Wind energy, solar energy and water energy is the sensible way to go, even if the Republicans, and the Corps, don't !!!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Who is T Boon Pickens why havnt I heard of him ? I have always been leary of the super rich. T. Boon Pickens. I dont know, Ive read a little about his plan but I dont know enough about energy to make a good judgement. I wonder what every one else thinks about his plan. You can see his plan at http://www.tboonpickens.com

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Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, Chicago | July 9, 2008 6:48 PM
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I am not sure the World War II model of society holds valid any more, Don. Back then, people had spine, values and an urge to be positive and kind toward their neighbors. Giving back to society for the benefits of living peacefully was never doubted in times of crisis.
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That, from where I am sitting, no longer appears to be the case. We are now reaping the fruits of a cultural war. Much of it is fed by weird ideology that says it is okay to deconstruct social order and values, and that whatever you are and whatever you do (or do not do) has no impact on your value or values. Too many people have taken advantage of that viewpoint to expect everything without any corresponding duty to return to the society as a whole. As a result, we have a significant number of weak, amoral people who are simply not up to the task of coming together with the rest of the community to solve our problems. I may be wrong about this (and I really hope I am), but I doubt it.

Yes John, things were so much better during the war, when every one stuck to those traditional values, The good old days when minorities knew thier place and weren't so uppitty and thinking they were equals. How could we have ever deconstructed the great values of Jim Crow? It was great too when women all knew they were second class citizens and new to defer to men. How could we have ever let them think that they cold be managers in companies, or even, god forbid, President?

Look at the non-christians, not accepting second tier status. l I bet they even let Jews into your country club now. Our "traditional" society is falling down around our ears!

Yep John it's really tragic that we aren't that "traditional", racist, sexist, bigoted society anymore. It's really tragic that minoriies and women have the nerve to think for themselves and challenge the views you hold. It's really tragic that White men aren''t top of the ladder, stomping the fingers of those coming up.

Yeah, that was a great time as long as you weren't black, hispanic, jewish, female, gay, muslim or any other minority. Let's all rush out and recreate the "values" of that society.

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Posted by: Nicole | July 10, 2008 7:33 AM
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What a typically simple-minded pseudo-liberal response! The moment one mentions some of the good, but long gone aspects of earlier society, some non-thinking pseudo-liberal has to come along and immediately assume one wants all the bad stuff from the earlier days to go along with it. That is neither reasonable nor rational.
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I am quite happy that non-white, non-male and non-Christian peoples are as free and equal in our society as the rest. It would disturb me were they not legally entitled to enforce equality and freedom. In this regard, I agree that we have improved as a society. However, the good parts I miss did not have to go away to achieve these results. Contrary to what you have suggested, we do not configure society like one large continuous blob that we must either keep or discard in its entirety. It can change, and has changed, in parts. Hence, there has never been a good reason why we could not have improved society while retaining what was good and pure from the old.
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My complaint is that, while we have changed society for the better in some respects, we have discarded some of the good with the bad. Worse, yet we have allowed parts of society to collapse altogether. Homo civilis is now devolving back into homo brutalis and homo sordidus. (If you do not know these terms, look them up.) We are enslaving people, not with chains and the lash, but by closing their minds. We have parents who cannot rear, teachers who cannot teach, thinkers who cannot think, and leaders who cannot lead, all who teach children that it is perfectly fine to live life as dependent, selfish, undisciplined and amoral cretins. This is why I complained, in response to Don's post, that we may not have the kind of people needed to come together to solve problems any more.
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I am sorry, for your sake that I had to spell this out to you.