Health care: Democrats start writing Rx

Yes, I can't wait to see this. A train reck waiting to happen

VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmachiavelli.blogspot.com

Anyone who opposes providing health care for ALL Americans, in the richest country in the world, is simply immoral and without a soul. They can throw around words like "socialist" and "freedom" and "liberty", but when a person is diagnosed with cancer, alzheimer's or some other terminal disease, the most important freedom to that person is to receive the care he or she needs without having to battle insurance companies while fighting for his or her life. I have no respect for anyone who opposes universal health care. Such an individual is simply irredeemable.

"Shared responsibility"--this election's euphemism for "hike our taxes".

What's next ...Universal car payments for the losers that dropped out of high school and bought a car they can't afford.

Marxism 101 is the democrat agenda to get votes.

Paulo

Paulo - you're heartless
Bruce - Hike our taxes? you are already paying for everyone's healthcare. People with no insurance routinely go to the emergency room as that is their only recourse
"Shared Responsibility" would not only widen the risk pool but make cheaper medical care available for the ones who currently use the emergency room then dodge the bills.

An event has occurred that surpasses all this, at least today.
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A. Solzhenitsyn has died at age 89.
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A writer of monumental importance, he is perhaps the one individual most responsible for the defeat of the bad old Soviet Union.
RIP great sir; Your works will stand forever.

We have a ruined economy, McCain claims that Obama will raise taxes when in fact he will END all income taxes for the senior citizen on social security and for the 10 million who are below the federal poverty level. And they call him a socialist, because he intends to make sure that the least of us have medical coverage, instead of squandering our resources on Iraq.
And oh yes, about that anthrax attack that John McCain went on Letterman and claimed he had a SOURCE who said the attack was by the IRAQI''s, yes WMDs from the IRAQI''s, it was actually made and distributed from a US fort in Maryland. WHO IS THE WHITE HOUSE SOURCE? That person committed treason. McCain is sheilding a person who committed treason. Would that be your president, your vice president? WHO IS BEING SHEILDED BY McCAIN? WHAT IS THE TRAITORs NAME? False propaganda for the purpose of leading the US into war is a crime.

Well, they are sure didn't give the media any story here. This tid bit didn't explain a thing about the plan. All I recall is Obama saying he had a plan to make Mandatory health care. He said the prices would be low enough to be affordable.....hmmmm, then why would there be a need to MANDATE ?

Patrick - Everyone has health CARE in this country, not health insurance. Should the gopv't provide housing for all, food for all, clothing for all, cars for all.

If you think health insurance is expensive now, wait until it becomes free.

Hillary loses again. She should kiss the democrats goodby and go out as an independent. Take all her support and run with it, so Obam loses.

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Bruce, somehow I get the impression you are a
"freelance independent contractor" who "manages" his tax return so as to not pay any tax, or not much, anyway.

This latest whiff of ash and CO2 from Mt. Hillary shows she's still actively in pursuit of a nomination in '12.

Team Barack has been so mannerly and well behaved toward the Goldwater Girl. Some of the strong supporters, I sense, would rather they would just "fix" her so she's a "Liddy Dole" type of Senator. I.e., one who keeps her mouth shut and is worried whether she'll be reelected. What was that law that said people like her reach their highest level of incompetence? It surely fits Ms. Hillary.

Paulo, son, you should get down on your benders and pray God you're never stricken with with MS, ALS, or a bus rendering you a quad.
I will guarantee you any insurance coverage you may have will be exhausted early on your ordeal, and then you'll bless FDR and the Social Security Act he initiated. Unless of course you're a Rockefeller. I've met a few of them, in the cousins generation, and they, better than you, know how blessed they are. Are you that blessed??
If not, may I suggest some humility and some fear of what may strike you

" A train wreck waiting to happen." Where have you been for the last 8 years ? The train is already wrecked and everybody in our nation knows it, but the Republicans, because they were at the controls !! They know it is wrecked, but they can't admit to the serious blunders that have caused it !! Why else would the McCain/ Graham's fear and smear campaign machine, be in full gear ? They want to distract the American voters into thinking there was no train wreck !! Are they in never-neverland or what ?!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

This article had no details in it what so ever. I am hoping that the Lib Media isn't handing us this as the final draft for information on his health care plan, because, it seems to me that I recall him talking about Mandatory Health care for all children. He talked of bringing down prices so it's affordable, and of course my problem at that time was >if you bring down prices so it's affordable why would you have to make it MANDATORY ha? Now, it's reading somewhat like it's going to be Hillary's Universal Plan, and I do recall some negotiations when she was pulling out of the race and Obama noted that she had them up against a fence or something. Maybe this was the deal they made?!

Hillary's was MANDATORY FOR EVERYONE. I've heard that it needs to be mandatory for them to have enough participants to drive down the price for everyone, but I won't be supporting MANDATORY HEALTH CARE any time soon. We shall see??????????????

Bruce Becker, Obama wants ot end income taxes for all seniors on Social Security? That includes lots of seniors who are pretty well off, so isn't that cutting taxes on the rich?

The reality is that in 1993 the Democrats, with Al Gore casting the tie breaking vote, that voted to INCREASE taxes on our senior citizens.

Terry, try talking to the people that are turned away from emergency rooms because they don't have health insurance, and therefore they don't get HEALTH CARE! You are a gullible fool if you think everyone in this country has health care. People have to forego taking much needed medication because they need the money to buy food. Once again NO HEALTH CARE! So where did you get the dumb idea that everyone in this country has health care.

Free health care? Only idiots think we're getting free health care if we go with universal healthcare. This is just one of typical scare tactics used by insurance companies to attack universal health care proposal.

I rather pay $300/month to US goverment through tax deduction knowning that 95 percent of this money will go to health care than only 60 percent if the money is paid to insurance companies.

To: Patrick:
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There is no talking sense to someone like you after you've wed yourself to a nearsighted idea and then wrapped yourself in a mantle of self-righteousness to avoid criticism. Telling us we are immoral for opposing an ill conceived plan certainly doesn't clear the way for any meaningful dialogue. It only makes you impervious to reason.
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The truth be told, Barack Obama doesn't have a plan to provide health care to all Americans either. He wants to cover some Americans, but not all of them. As for those not covered, he would simply try to make health insurance more affordable. Hillary's plan doesn't provide for everyone either. Her plan would force everyone who can afford their own health care into the arms of the insurance industry. Only those who cannot afford to pay for their own health care insurance would be given government handouts. The only candidate who suggested a universal health care plan (I believe) was Dennis Kucinich. He wanted to make Medicare universal. I guess that means you must think Barack and Hillary are "simply immoral and without a soul" too.
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Other, rational factors exist to make a reasonable person oppose a national commitment to universal health care. Try, for starters, the fact that our government is already up to its eyeballs in debt; so much so, that it pays out one tenth of its budget for debt service alone. Add to that the fact that the federal government's finances are already on the road to ruin because of Social Security benefits it must pay out for which no money exists. As the population gets older, fewer and fewer people are paying into the system. We might end up trillions more in debt over Social Security if we don't figure out more ways to raise revenue and/or cut Social Security spending (or spending someplace else).
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And do you know why we are in this predicament? I will tell you. We are in this predicament because the federal government takes all Social Security money not used to pay claims, buys bonds with the money (backed only with its promise to repay) and then transfers the money to the general fund for Congress to spend. In other words, the federal government borrows the money and leaves IOUs. There is no fungible money left in the Social Security Trust Fund, and future taxpayers will have to pay the debt they and others have already paid once. The foregoing irresponsible financial practices of the federal government (if you can call them such), and those of the Federal Reserve Bank, are the cause of the inflation and Dollar devaluation from which we now suffer. Creating money out of thin air - as the federal government and FRB do by making loans on paper - is, by definition, inflationary. Adding more debt to the federal government is only going to make things more expensive because it will add to inflation as well as to the federal government's budget obligations.
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And you want to add another layer of government committing the nation to a permanent health care system with a $100 billion to $150 billion price tag per year? Where do you propose we get that kind of money? This kind of spending is the reason the federal government is already in the red. Undoing Bush's so-called tax cuts for the rich isn't going to pay for it; and neither will diverting the money we now use to fund the war in Iraq. We are already going deeply into debt for the war in Iraq. Shifting money from Iraq to domestic spending isn't going to pay for anything. It will just make us go deeply into debt for domestic welfare-state programs instead of foreign wars. That's not better. The bottom line, Patrick, is that we cannot afford it as long as the federal government continues to operate this way. That is, unless you want to see substantial tax increases across the board. If you want to pay half your paycheck in taxes just to pay for health insurance (as they do elsewhere in the world), we might be able to get by. That is the only realistic way we will make this "richest country" afford universal health care.
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Furthermore, aside from the tax hits we will all have to take (realistically), we still have the problem of dealing with insurance companies under Hillary-care and, probably, BHO-care as well. The added cost in taxes under the proposed systems will only go to cover subsidized premiums for the poor. Those who do not financially qualify for the subsidized premiums will be forced - I repeat, forced - to buy their own health care insurance in an unregulated market. Thus, aside from the constitutional problems created by compelling people to enter into contracts for services they may not want (cf. the 5th Amendment "taking" clause), and entirely aside from the price tag that awaits us for health care subsidies - we will still be saddled with having to pay for, haggle with, beg and scream at tight fisted insurance companies that don't want to pay coverage for the sick and dying. We will get precisely what you said we should not have. That is not health care. And then, when the insurance companies all raise their prices (because they can and they haven't promised not to), we will all howl. To me, it is the height of irony, if not outright hypocrisy, for pseudo-liberals to go along, sheep-like, with plans like Hillary-care or BHO-care that depend in large part on the largesse and altruism of every pseudo-liberal's arch-enemy: Corporate America.
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And yes, I also have something to say about the morality the situation. I find it immoral when people want to live off of others without first trying to support themselves. I find it immoral for politicians to pander to those who want the government to plunder one segment of society for their benefit. A regular citizen would go to jail if he or she did privately half of what the federal government does to American citizens with regard to money. It doesn't make it moral for the federal government to do it simply because it is a government. I also find it immoral when people don't want to follow the rules. The Constitution, for example, embodies the basic rules we all expect the government to follow. Those basic rules do not authorize the federal government to run a universal health care system. To operate such a system would require an amendment to the Constitution. Thus, it is immoral and dishonest for either Hillary or BHO to attempt to create a federally operated health care system. As for you: To thine own self be true.

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RFB - Are you telling me if you were to go to an energency room with a gun shot wound with no insurance - the hospital would turn you away?

Republicans' answer to all the country's pressing problems:

1. Soylent Green
2. Cling to guns and religion
3. Force the government to bail out the corporations that failed to police themselves
3. Allow corporations to run the country and "police themselves"
4. Wag the Dog
5. Wrap yourself in the flag
6. Display a "support the troops" bumber sticker
7. build your own back yard bunker
8. Display the ten commandments at the courthouse
9. Lower taxes for the rich
10. Trickle down and "charge it"

Hey American Empire-the only way Soylent Green is going to happen is if they don't let us drill here and prices keep going up, then we'll have a nice organic liberal treat for all who are hungry ha ha ha.