McCain's seven homes; Obama: No WH

McCain can't count to seven? Can't remember the number seven? "I do not recall." More lies from the McCain campaign.

Now I know he really feels our pain...my friends. Like he said at the Harley rally....Is anyone tired as I am of paying 4 gallo...dollars...er..a buck...er..too ...er gallons per dollar...er....

So, he is either stupid, senile, or a willful liar. I'm so over him.

While McCain may own several homes, I don't think it's ok to advertise where thay are.

Obama seems to have found a gaffe that has traction. It's amazing that all of the gaffe's that McCain has made that he hasn't been buried yet.

Do the Democrats have anyone savvy enough to deliver an Ann Richards like zinger to McCain at the convention? This gaffe is served up on a silver platter.

Since when is it a crime to be successful and own several houses. And since most of the money comes from his wife, it is legit that he wouldn't know how many he owned. I don't see any of the libs on here asking why the Obama isn't going after the real issues, and not just how many houses they all own.

Can't count? As opposed to what -- Obama's 57 states statement?

I din't know the Presidency was built around how many properties one owns....Weird..McCain's homes are owned promarily by his wife and it is posted her property is sole and seperate. Question is how did Obama get into the mansion he owns..I am a Democrat but I think this ad is ridiculous...Withoug HRC on his ticket he will never make the WH...

McCain will have problems relating to the average American. Many Americans are having problems holding on to the one house that they have. This sharply contrasts with McCain's seven homes/condos. McCain does not need the White House. In reference to McCain killing American jobs--search: McCain Watch job loss. When McCain complains that BHO wants to raise taxes--McCain does not say the truth--that BHO wants more fairness--to bring the taxation of the most wealthy in line with the taxation of the middle class. Also, the news story a week ago was that businesses have not been paying taxes. No wonder America is falling apart. McCain seems like an angry old man who wants more and more for himself. He doesn't speak for me, and he does not want to do anything good for America that would help me or others I know. His record, history and votes show that he doesn't respect women or the average working American. McCain = Bush squared.

Since when is it a crime to be successful and own several houses.

Posted by: Mike

Answer: ...When you accuse your opponent of being an "out of touch elitist."

Can't count? As opposed to what -- Obama's 57 states statement?

Posted by: Frank | August 21, 2008 3:38 PM

Right Frank. Obama has no idea how many States there are. It's amazing how he managed to get through Harvard Law and the Illinois Bar exam without having learned something every grade schooler learns. It's just not possible he misspoke, is it?

Mike -- are you serious? Just because most of the money comes from his wife, you think it is "legit" that he wouldn't know how many houses he owns? Please. That is just downright scary to think that the man who wants to be president doesn't even know how many houses his wife owns. Yes, let's give him control of the entire country.

It's an issue because McCain made the comment that he'd have to check with his staff to see how many houses he owns. How is it possible he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question?? And Obama is labeled an "elitist" because he used the word "arugula" instead of "lettuce." OK. Sure.

Of course, Obama himself owns a house that most Democratic voters can't even aspire to.

I'm not terribly concerned about the number of homes McCain owns. I'm more concerned about how his administration will be a continuation of the disaster the last 7+ years have been. He says he won't govern the way Bush has, yet I see no difference between what he says he'll do and what's been done to us since Bush took office. He's been in lockstep with the neocons and I just don't see that changing.

Where's the voice of John McCain in this 30 second ad? Are we to assume the voice in the ad is telling the truth or making this stuff up? At least the "I am the One" ad gives us the Golden Childs own spoken words. I really fell out when hearing the Golden Child tell that koo-aid drinker on stage a light was going to come down from heaven, shine on him and he would receive and epiphany. He is the One alright, all golden and shiny, with apostles, faithful followers and all and he even speaks for these ads! His own words not even made up! Tells us he's the chosen one. What else is there?

Since when is it a crime to be successful and own several houses. And since most of the money comes from his wife, it is legit that he wouldn't know how many he owned. I don't see any of the libs on here asking why the Obama isn't going after the real issues, and not just how many houses they all own.

Posted by: Mike | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM

Suuuure Mike. McCain has run an above board non-personal attack camapign all along. Obama has talked about the issues. The only thing Republicans have been able grasp is the insults, smears, out right lies and the such. The Republicans can't see the issues for the mud in their eyes.

When you want to debate the issues go right ahead, but most of the people on this blog are waiting for a respectable debate on the issues from the Republicans and they have been sorely disappointed that no one has been up to the task.

It's not a crime to own a lot of property, just as it's no crime to forget which country borders which, or to forget that Rezko wasn't a 'convicted criminal' when he advised the Obamas on what to buy.

Hey, Blinkin - it's even more amazing when you learn that the BO went through school near the top of his class. McC was at the bottom. And THEY BOTH have made verbal bloopers. But at least BO can count how much money he and the Missus make - having earned it on their own - and how many houses they have.

Now that McC knows - approximately - how many houses he owns, does he know WHERE they are?

I think when you spent five years in a 30x30-foot cell for your country you've earned the right to live however you dang well please.
Then again the Obamas have never been proud of this country so I can understand how they wouldn't get that.

You say the Obamas have never been proud of this country......
Your nose just gets longer and longer Jeff. And the POW card is getting old, especially from the same repubs who gleefully trashed Kerry's heroic Vietnam service in order to win an election. Low class!

I don't think McCain "didn't know..." He was reluctant to say anything and was caught off guard by the attack question. Nobody wants to admit to being wealthy in America, it's a social thing...ever heard of never asking someone how much money they make? There is nothing wrong with seven homes...he has a huge family, not that that matters. What if a journalist asked Obama "how much money did you make from your book?" It's known to everyone through public disclosure, but it is a question designed to attack...no negative campaigning, right?

Question: which candidate in this race was not wealthy? I wonder how many homes the Clintons have...? Or Edwards? As ususal, only rich democrats are in touch, right?

Jeff,

You out danged yourself.

You have now posted the goofiest post in the history of the blogging.

When has he? The man is 100% non-patriotic. Now check your nose, rupert, John Kerry who lied before congress about what he saw in Vietnam was never heroic.

John McCain has publically stated that he never loved his country for the first 31 years of his life. In that 31 years he saw the sacrifices made by those in the military around his family. That didn't make him love his country. He recieved a free education from his country, but still he didn't love it. Then, as now, he was a spoiled elitist who thought he was owed the privledged life he has led. Seven houses? who could be bothered to remember that? You have a mere $4 million dollars? You're not rich. He is an elitist to the core. Out of touch, and not caring to try and even understand the great gulf that separates his special life from that of the common people.

Joseph Kennedy, an arch-appeaser of Hitler, committed political sucide when, in 1940, he declared: "Democracy is finished in England, it may be here (in the USA)." Now, anti-democratic legislation like the Employee-free Choice Act threatens a bedrock of the 1937 National Labor Relations Act - the secret-ballot election - and the debate is about whether McCain knew how many residences were owned by his wife's company.

Posted by: a blinkin | August 21, 2008 4:09 PM

Right Frank. Obama has no idea how many States there are. It's amazing how he managed to get through Harvard Law and the Illinois Bar exam without having learned something every grade schooler learns. It's just not possible he misspoke, is it?

Misspeak? 57 states compared to the 50 that there are? I doubt that very much. As for how Obama ascended to where he currently is --- he cheated his way to the top. That's how he won elections, political favors, a mansion that he couldn't afford and now the opportunity to have the Democratic nomination. All those little people sending in their money to Obama is a falsism. With the state of the economy, they have better things to spend their money on -- like food, water, shelter -- yet somehow the money still keeps coming in. Apply some common sense and maybe go for an eye exam if you're wearing glasses.

I demand a recount of homes! No hanging condos!

The Sun Times reported today about Obama's brother living in a shack in the slums in Kenya on one dollar a day.

Senator Obama admits that he has met this brother at least twice over the years.

You would think that a person who made four million dollars a year would look out for his siblings!

Obama should be ashamed of himslef.

I guess for some of you Jeff, patriotic is "America, Love it or Leave It" "Blind Faith" etc. Well you're wrong about that and about Obama, who loves his country every bit as much as you and I. Kerry was a leader in Vietnam and not just sitting in a cell. So my nose is just fine and so is my patriotism. Now excuse me while I adjust my flag lapel pin.

What is going on about Obama's brother? We know Obama is in a home that Rezko helped him buy. I think this should be an interesting issue to watch. Right now it plays to both candidates camps. But the on-line open poll at http://www.bop-o-ram.com is heating up. It looks like the Democrats in cyberspace are finally ready to put up a fight. Prediction! McCain will pass 200,000 tonight.

Good for John McCain - that means he created jobs for carpenters, electricians, plumbers, roofers, etc.... It is the rich tha create the jobs.

All you libs, I wouldn't go and throw too many rocks for the glass houses your lib leaders live. Do you want to check and see how many houses the Kennedy's have? How about Pelosi? Feinstien? Kerry? Gore? Rezko?

One of McCains houses is occupied by his wife's elderly aunt. What a rotten guy he is?

Jeff,
Don't forget, McCain's Vietnamese torturer supports John McCain.
Talk about the Manchurian Candie!!

The torturer's own words;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7459946.stm
No John!!, don't turn over that card!!

"It is the rich that create the jobs."

The true elitists have spoken and it's the usual BS. You want them to trickle down on us some more Terry? Job creation in the US is driven by mass consumer spending, not by a few rich guys buying fancy condos. For every John McCain who buys more homes than he can keep track of, there are hundreds of middle class home buyers who know exactly how many homes they own.

Watch the "57 states" video yourself at http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp and see for yourself that it's an obvious bit of confusion. Then read this http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday and consider which kind of mistake is worse. And we can't afford another George W Bush or a replacement who has supported him for eight long years and only now, my friends, admits we're worse off than we were four years ago.

I see the sluggish Republicans are sliming up the place. Would, that they could grab on to a real issue, unfortunately, the Bush-Cheney tag team has eliminated that possibility. They have laid waste to any reasonable political discourse, among the two Parties. That is the only reason the Republicans are so sluggish, they need to smear Senator Obama in order to grab any attention. The great thing about Senator Obama's response is, he washes himself off, of their slime and moves on to another important issue, in which the Bush-McCain Republicans have fumbled and misled the American people !!.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

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Posted by: Tom O | August 21, 2008 10:57 PM
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Please get a grip on reality. It takes money to start businesses and hire employees; and that is money Average Joe Consumer does not have. If you took all the "rich people" (using either Obambi's or McCain's definition), put them up against a wall and executed them, very few non-government jobs would continue to exist, and very few payrolls would be met in the near term. I would also like to remind you that business owners have the option of pocketing profits from mass consumer spending, instead of hiring new employees, in the event more hiring doesn't make good business sense. So, with all due respect, I fear you have critically underestimated the role of wealthy individuals in job creation. In fact, aside from government employment, and those that are self-employed, they are responsible for all job creation.

Come on people are you really trying to find a candidate that is "in touch with the regular people" ?

They are not regular people and therefore are not going to be in touch with the regular people.

Look at their policies and decide who you want to vote for.

Some wisdom for the wealth worshippers like John W and Terry:

"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

Their world view is exactly backwards. The wealthy have their wealth because of those who labor for them. We should focus on the needs ogf labor, not the needs of those who prosper because of that labor.

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Posted by: MBT | August 22, 2008 11:05 AM
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Thank you, Karl Marx. But you have a few things wrong.
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First of all, I don't worship wealth. I merely pointed out the fact that it takes wealth to start a business. Even Karl Marx did not dispute this proposition. He just questioned whether individuals, rather than the masses, should own the capital. Hate it all you like, but it is still a fact that one needs capital to start a business. If you don't believe me, try starting a business without any start up money.
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Second, labor is not the superior of capital. Both play a part in the final product, and not always in a manner that favors the value of the labor. Marx' musings to the contrary depended on the totally debunked idea that a laborer's work adds value to raw materials and thereby confers a windfall benefit upon the capitalist in the form of profit. The latter proposition is simply untrue. All the labor in the world will not add a penny's worth of value to a product that will not sell. Value, therefore, turns on the utility of the finished product and the consequent demand for it - and not the sum total of value of the raw material and labor that went into it. It also demonstrates that the owner/capitalist' skills in promoting and marketing a product have nearly as much to do with its sale price in the market.
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Third, the notion that labor precedes capital is a truth that Marxists and other socialists only half confess. The other half of the truth is that the capital often represents the fruit of the capitalist's earlier labor, or that a predecessor in title who gifted or bequeathed it to him. Go back and re-read Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" where he explains how each man was his own laborer until specialization of skills eventually changed things. Thus, what you are really saying is not that the laborer deserves greater consideration, but merely that late-comer laborers somehow deserve greater consideration.
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Fourth, the view that capital has value added that gives laborers superior position also fails to take into account that it is the capitalist that takes all the risks of supply, marketing and market failures. The laborer bears none of those risks. He or she gets his/her wages for work. It is the owner of capital who still bears the entire risk of loss for the venture. It is because of the owner takes the risk of failure that it is not unfair for him or her to make a profit off of his/her workers' labor. After all, if the owner did not risk his investment, the laborers might well be idle and unemployed.
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Fifth, and finally, laborers have the right to freely contract with their employers and to form labor unions. Hence, the answer to Marx' dilemma is not to dash the capitalist system to pieces - as Marx advocated - but, rather, to pay laborers adequate consideration for their work. That is why Marx' revolution never really took place in western industrial nations.
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I suggest you go to http://mises.org/ and give yourself a real education in economics.

MTB:

P.S. - I know where the quote came from. He was wrong about a good many things too. On this heading, he made the same errors in reasoning that Marx did when the latter basically said the same thing.

McCain knows exactly how many homes he and Cindy own. He just couldn't think of a way to say '7' without sounding like an elitist. And how can you say 'I own 7 homes' or 'my wife owns 6 and I own 1 - we have a pre-nup' without sounding like an elitist? Or is it that only Democrats are elitist?

MBT - Lincoln was a great president, but he was no economist. Without capital, labor isn't working So if you want to tax capital, and send the money to less efficient uses like gov't, be ready to pay with higher unemployment. See the article below.

Tom O - Every hear of the luxury tax on yachts in the 90's aand what happened to yacht workers? Even got a story from the NY Times.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7D91430F930A35752C0A967958260