Sarah Palin: God's 'servant' on the ticket

Nothing like bringing the country together with a good ol' religious Jihadist. let's do away with womens choice. Let's take away sex education in schools and leave it to chance and just say no. Let's censor our books......heck we can do without that gay purple dino. Just what we needed....another..."politician" who is lead by voices from God. Let's march right back to the 1800s and maybe we all can wear those neat outfits like we saw from the church of LDS.

Here's a quote of Sarah Palin’s pastor:

"What you see in a terrorist -- that’s called the invisible enemy. There has always been an invisible enemy. What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what’s going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ... We need to think like Jesus thinks. We are in a time and a season of war, and we need to think like that. We need to develop that instinct. We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die. You’re worried about getting hurt? He’s called us to die. Listen, you know we can’t even follow him unless you are willing to give up your life. ... I believe that Jesus himself operated from that position of war mode. Everyone say "war mode." Now you say, wait a minute Ed, he’s like the good shepherd, he’s loving all the time and he’s kind all the time. Oh yes he is -- but I also believe that he had a part of his thoughts that knew that he was in a war".

Uhhhh....."We need to develop as believers the instinct that we are at war, and that war is contending for your faith. ... Jesus called us to die."

Does that sound any thing like the ranting of some Islamic terrorist, except just using a different God?

Here's Sarah Palin in her own words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God", "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,"

This is scary stuff.

I'm not bright but when I was a Lutheran I followed the bible to a tee; in those days you carried and unwed pregnancy with shame...
and now I'm hearing she (Sarah) had an adulterous relationship....are these the same people who spent millions on Clinton's shame.....
Do we want respectable people in the White house or is it anything as long as it's not
a Democrat

The war in Iran is, according to wannabe book-banner, Gov. Palin, "a task from God." I don't think that would be the description most Iraqi families would use.

All very well and good, but does she know the CONSTITUTION?

I, for one, am glad she believes.

What I would like to know more about is whether her faith is private, or whether I will have to subscribe to it.

Next thing you know, the Bible will replace our history books, our science books and civics class. Storm-troopers for the Lord. Is that what America is to become, with self-righteous hypocrites !!? Sounds like the Bush-Cheney Regime, all over again !!! Achtung, America !!!!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

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Does that sound any thing like the ranting of some Islamic terrorist, except just using a different God?
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Posted by: ApostasyUSA | September 6, 2008 11:44 AM
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I have never seen anyone entirely misunderstand anyone else the way you just misunderstood and/or misrepresented the meaning of Palin's pastor's message. Palin's pastor was speaking about "spiritual warfare." You wouldn't know it because you read right past where he was talking about an invisible enemy that has "always been," manifestations of an "unseen world called the spirit world" and a war that "is contending for your faith." Apparently, the meaning of these words just didn't register with you. Human beings, be they enemies or friends, are not unseen and do not occupy an unseen spiritual world. Moreover, warfare that "is contending for [one's] faith" (faith being the direct object of the warfare, rather than murder or mayhem) is not the same as wrapping yourself or your children in dynamite and committing mass murder in a crowded market or street. And so, no, it is not the same or even similar to the ideas spewed by a ranting Islamic terrorist. And, yes, Jesus did call believers to die - to die to themselves and this world; and, if need be, to lay down their lives for their faith. Many have done so faithfully without soiling their hands with another's blood. That, again, has nothing to do with killing others in the process.
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Thus, intentionally or inadvertently (and I vote that it was intentionally), you have cherry picked the man's statement to make it mean something he never expressed or intended to express. If you wish to make more vapid points like this one, please go back to DailyKos where they are appreciated.

I'm for truth on all sides, so please stop spreading this 'adulterous relationship' rumor which was published in the Enquirer and then dropped - and certainly not touched by the 'nasty' MSM.

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Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, Chicago | September 6, 2008 2:40 PM
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You know, Don, life would be a lot more boring were it not for your intermittent rants. Thank you.
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However, you have again climbed out onto a paranoid limb. There have been many people in the White House with more Christian faith than anyone running for office today. Many were even Democrats. We even had a former preacher serve as President. However, the theocracy that you now predict will occur has never appeared under these prior, more intensely Christian administrations. To me, that makes it highly doubtful that it will ever occur. Besides, just because Democrats take the Constitution as advisory only, doesn't mean that everyone else will disregard the Establishment Clause.

"you have cherry picked the man's statement"

Remind me again which pastor you are writing about...

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Posted by: cta | September 6, 2008 5:45 PM
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There was only one pastor spoken of in the exchange between ApostasyUSA and me, and that was Palin's pastor. That is the person whose words ApostasyUSA quoted and misinterpreted.

Palin seems to be evangelical in her religious beliefs and for that reason she almost certainly does not believe in the separation of church and state. The Republican party pandered to the religious fundamentalists and now they have all but taken over the Republican party. Palin is their candidate and they believe in mixing church and state. Religious ideologues can proclaim, and can justify anything as "God's Will". This is what makes this VP choice, who will be 'one heartbeat away' from the Presidency so scary! McCain has been irresponsible towards the U. S. by making this pick!

I disagree that apostasy misinterpreted the sermon. The extremist mullahs are telling their people the exact same thing, people are strapping on bombs as warriors for Allah, and they're defending their faith against perceived attacks on it. The only real difference is location.

"What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what�s going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. ..." - what do you think he meant by that? Hmmm, could it possibly be that the opposition in Iraq are the agents of evil? People in the US may not be taking other lives in a suicide-bomb attack, but what do you think happens when you send your children to Iraq to fight the agents of evil? Some of them may die, but they're taking other lives, many of them innocent lives, with them.

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Posted by: Mike D. | September 7, 2008 1:31 PM
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Um, Mike, did you notice that Baptists are evangelical fundamentalists? And so are Mennonites and Amish. They also have this in common: They vehemently insist on a separation between church and state. They know that any church/state entanglement will cheapen their religion. Thus, it is plainly incorrect to suggest that all evangelicals are in favor of no separation between church and state. Make a note of it.

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Posted by: incognita | September 7, 2008 1:47 PM
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I guess it won't come as any surprise to you that I disagree. What Palin's pastor said, namely, "What you see in Iraq, basically, is a manifestation of what's going on in this unseen world called the spirit world. . . . " - is a statement that dark spiritual forces are at work in Iraq. It is not, however, a statement that any person in Iraq is the enemy. There is an important Bible verse that neither you nor ApostasyUSA know which makes this point clear. It is: "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." (Ephesians 6:12.) This comes in the middle of a passage that speaks about spiritual warfare. (See Ephesians 6: 10-18.) Thus, once the subject of "spiritual warfare" comes up, as it did in Palin's pastor's sermon, one has to know that humans are not the enemy. As such, the pastor's statement was not an assertion - as you suggest - that conventional warfare of the kind we are waging in Iraq is an appropriate method of "fighting" our spiritual enemy.