Obama, McCain: U.S. citizens

I can;t read which hospital it states.. anyone? mine says the hospital so does my parents and my kids

That's because there isn't a national standard for birth certificates. The one you are looking at is Hawaii's standard. Some states requires footprints and parental signatures, etc. Some don't.

I can;t read which hospital it states.. anyone? mine says the hospital so does my parents and my kids

Posted by: Micah | October 25, 2008 9:25 AM

Unsurprisingly....someone steps out to change truth into fiction to fit their agenda. Bravo Micah! I also hear the sun is really the moon.

Aren't birth certificates usually signed by the Doctor? The purpose of a "Certification" is that some individual "Certifies" to the governing body (in this case the State of Hawaii and the County of Honolulu) that an event occurred. It's done on birth, death and marriage certificates. So, who certifies that the information on this document is accurate?

Why can't he produce a copy of the original birth certificate and end this accusation? This is going to nag at him until he does. Can this accusation be true?

The outrageous and utterly insane rumors and speculation that swirl around presidential campaign never ceases to amuse.

But, you know, JFK didn't sign this doc, so it can't be true if the sitting president didn't sign it...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

This birth certificate is a fraud. It was made on a computer. Computers were not available in 1961. Look at the font - it is not monospace. Typewritters had equal spacing for all characters. Look at the work "AFRICAN". The "I" takes significantly less space than the other characters...

This may be the greatest fraud in U.S. history.

Mark did you notice Obama's race is listed as caucasian. It was Obama who decided to be African American to get all their votes. He could have been either white or black. Jerry White, Springfield, IL

What a desperate joke the republican supporters have become. We would like to carbon date that certificate please.

I just want the truth. Is that too much to ask? Why did Obama and the DNC spend money and hire lawyers just to prevent the truth from being released? It makes so sense.

What does (Rev. 11/01) in the bottom left hand corner mean?

Even in the face of foolish attacks such as his nationality Obama remains calm. What is behind this calm demeanor?. ...................

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/24/the-root-of-obamas-calm-is-humility/

This is not a birth certificate, its a certificate of live birth. I could not us this to get a passport, let along get back into to this country today. You seem to be uninformed, do you have a birth certificate and does it look anything like this??

You will notice that the Country says Honolulu. Hmm.

The DNC and Obama refuse to show his birth certificate and dissemble this other unsigned document. Just another in a long line of disturbing questions that are swept under the rug while millions of Americans rush to annoint "the One."

This is a certificate of live birth - it is not the same as a birth certificate. They do not issue these anymore (I don't have them for my kids), but I am 46 and I have both a certificate of live birth and an official birth certificate. If you want to get a drivers license or passport, the birth certificate is the required document.

Please don't tell me that anyone actually believes this bullcrap. A birth certificate from 1961 which doesn't list SSN's, hospital info, doctor's signature, official seal, etc... Much less the fact that it has been scanned perfectly into an image with laser quality print on modern paper. Micah, you are right on, the least they could have done is tried to make something believable. If you're going to use photoshop at least make it worth our while. Do the journalists at the Swamp actually do any investigation on their stories or do they just drink the Kool-Aid.

With all due respect Mr. Silva, how can you possibly assure anyone when you do not have all the facts? A certificate of live birth IS NOT a birth certificate, not even remotely the same thing. All states issue birth certificates which contain location and place of birth....The birth announcement that appeared in the Hawaii newspaper merely stated that a son was born, not where or even IN Hawaii (that's why they call it an announcement). Any other US citizen would be held to the same standards of discovery and proof, so why has Senator Obama and the DNC tried to dismiss this? It is a tremendous waste of time and expenses of the courts to a deal with this....Why not just produce the piece of paper that puts this all to rest?

I love that everyone assumes no one has an agenda or speaks untruths, what all those crazy people want is a actual copy of the birth certificate from when he was born that looks like this http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg this guy posted his from 1963 from Hawaii, nobody should assume the FBI checks on these things.

That's Honolulu County, not country, Scooter. The way Republicans are grasping at straws regarding Obama's fitness for the presidency is just depressing.

Oh, and it's his MOTHER who is listed as Caucasian, not Barack. People should take a closer look before they start commenting.

Looks like somebody needs glasses.....it does not say "country of birth". It says "county of birth", and last time I checked, Honolulu is a county as well as a city.

First off, this is what a hospital will send you if you happen to have misplaced your original birth certificate, like I did once. I used my Cert. of live Birth to get my passport and I see them all the time when signing I9's at work, verifying a person's existence.

Second, the "COUNTY" is Honolulu... not "country"

Third, the MOTHER'S race is "caucasian" and the Father's is "African". The baby's is not stated.

And finally, the desperate republicans mentioned would never accept carbon dating anyway. They'd rather believe Palin's ramblings that dinosaurs and people lived on Earth simultaneously (because she is such a learned and respected scholar.)

Get over it. This cert was probably provided after the fact because he couldn't locate the original, which I'm sure his mother had somewhere just like my parents probably do mine.

Stop embarassing yourselves and MY country with your idiocy. Obama's not a terrorist and he's not going to eat your children. He's going to be a very good president and we may even regain a tiny bit of credibility in the world.

Oh yeah-- I forgot. To you the "world" is just a 15th century conspiracy theory and the liberal media want you to believe it's round and there are other people on it that (gasp!) DON'T EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH!!

Could we pleeeease have a better president now? PLEASE?

I find it disturbing that the Obama campaign doesn't produce the "vault" copy of the birth certificate, and that he refuses to answer the lawsuit. Unfortunately, that doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that he's not a natural-born citizen. It doesnt' prove he was born in Kenya or anyplace else. If no one can produce proof that he was born outside of the U.S., i.e. a Kenyan birth certificate, sworn testimony from someone who was present at the birth (e.g. a doctor, nurse, etc.), then the lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere. In other words, the burden of proof is not on Obama; it's on the plaintiff. I'm not a lawyer, but I think that's the position most judges would take. If a federal judge were to rule that Obama isn't qualified to be president, and deny him the presidency based on circumstantial evidence, every major American city would be burned down, and dozens of innocent white people would be murdered. Do you think any judge would want to be responsible for that?

This just goes to show the racism that still exists in America. How many candidates were made to produce a birth certificate? I saw a lawn sign that read nobama (no bama). McCain and palin are playing on that underlying streak with the voter. I’m more afraid of McCain than Obama being in office. After the last debate I was so happy that I decided to vote for Obama. McCain was shameful and a disgrace to his party. The American people didn’t want to hear more slander; we want to hear how he stood on the issues.

So let's see, the way we read the comments on a guy's birth certificate here, those who cannot believe what is in front of their eyes must tell the kids when they come home with a report card with A's on it: "That's a forgery, it says retort card, not report card, where is the contractor's license number for the people who built the school, and hey, You're not my child!''

"This birth certificate is a fraud. It was made on a computer. Computers were not available in 1961. Look at the font - it is not monospace. Typewritters had equal spacing for all characters. Look at the work "AFRICAN". The "I" takes significantly less space than the other characters...

This may be the greatest fraud in U.S. history."

John D you are a clueless wingnut conspiracy theorist. IBM proportional font typewriters had been sold since before our entry in WW2 (41) which is why so many state side typed documents during the war also had proportional fonts.

You don't know what you're talking about and your lies to subvert voters are anti American. Shame on you!!!

FYI - basic research isn't that hard - neither is telling the truth:
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

The birth certificates posted on the net of Obama are determined to be frauds by the experts. It is the birth certificate of his sister with Obama's name posted over his sister's name, and the date was changed. There are 3 lawsuits against Obama to turn in his birth certificate in Hawaii, Washington, and Pennsylvania "right now". Obama would rather spends millions of dollars to fight against having to turn in his birth certificate rather than just turn it in. Why? What is there to hide? It would cost "Zero" to just turn it in and put out the fire, yet he is spending "Millions" to not turn it in and keep the fire going? Quite odd I must say.

I cannot honestly read the small print. I see the word "African". According to another source, a 1963 document would have read "negro". I just want the truth.

wow you guys are desperate. it's sort of sad...and almost a little cute.

do you seriously think the dems (or any serious political party, for that matter) would run a candidate before finding out *for sure* that he/she was a u.s. citizen?

please.

Did anybody else notice the bleed through from the date stamp on the reverse side of the document? It looks like NOV 6 2007. Clearly this is a recently obtained certificate of live birth (or possibly an altered document, as others have suggested). As in Mr. Berg's lawsuit, I, too, would really like to see the vault copy of Senator Obama's actual birth certificate.

Hey Mark, stop drinking the KoolAid! This is a forgery and will soon be proven in court. (In case you don't know, there's a lawsuit pending) Obama was born in Kenya!

That is not a legal birth certificate. You cannot get a passport, a drivers license or anything with that. To stop the rumors, just post the image of the original birth certificate.

I'm thinking there is no original and only a database entry of a birth that she reported. No hospital, no doctor, nothing.

McCain showed his original certified birth certificate which proved his right to citizenship to ALL those who questioned. What Obama has produced is a 'Certificate of Live Birth.' That is not his official birth certificate. Hawaii keeps records like all other U.S. states, but will not release the official long-form unless written permission is received in person by the specific individual. Which Obama won't do. So I still ask, why? He can also go to the hospital where he was born and get official verifiable documentation. This can all end is two seconds. He's either disrespectful and playing with us all or can't make that happen.

Check this link:

http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/18654/2615534710103381328S600x600Q85.jpg

It’s a blank Hawaii certificate of live birth (COLB) found on Google. Please note that the time of birth is shown as 7:24 PM. Anyone want to venture a guess as to what time is shown on 0bama’s fake COLB? If you guess 7:24 PM you’ll be correct. there’s a 1 in 1440 chance of that happening legitimately. 60 minutes times 24 hours = 1440 minutes in a day.

"Aren't birth certificates usually signed by the Doctor?"

Mine isn't - I'm looking right at it. Was born in MA. not some exotic island or any other excuse. There's not even a place for that signature.

"Please don't tell me that anyone actually believes this bullcrap. A birth certificate from 1961 which doesn't list SSN's, hospital info, doctor's signature,"
Mine doesn't have any of that either (1964).SS's are usually issued later and the birth cert. is provided as proof of citizenship.Prior to 1986 many didn't have SSN's until age 14 - since they were used for income tracking purposes,
You people really are desperate for controversy and for standards and burdens of proof that are quite frankly racist for both candidates and the electorate.
Fortunately the country is moving beyond these race bailiting stories and ones of supposed McCain volunteers being assaulted in convenient close race states.
Maybe we should ask for Palin's birth certificate to be forensically tested to prove she's, as she would claim, a "real" american and not just some nightmare.

Legal action has been filed in 7 states now to have that state either verify a birth certificate or decertify the candidate. McCain produced his now where is Obama's? This is NOT a birth certificate and If Obama was born in HI even in the sixties, he should be able to get a copy of his BIRTH CERTIFICATE from the state. Something stinks here. Why if he mentioned his Birth certificate being stored away with important papers for safe keeping can he now not produce the original copy? Does anyone know the law concerning this issue and whether he must now produce it or be decertified on state's ballots?

I just find it amazing in this day and age that the US government doesnt require someone running for the highest office in the world to verify their official original Birth Certificate. Almost as amazing as the fact that not one mainstream media is willing to investigate the possibility that this is a fraud. I assume its not that he was born in Kenya but that he doesnt what the American voter to see what is actually on his long form Hawaian Birth Certificate

I take it you would like us to accept it just because you said it. Judges are unable to decide yet but you have settled this issue just by stating it's so. The Obama online birth certificate doesn't even name the hospital in Hawaii he was born in. Thanks for contributing to the flushing of the US constitution down the toilet.

B.O. just stinks. So does this article. The picture above is a fake...but if you keep showing it to people, they may begin to believe you.

What a joke that certificate is... no seal!!! The courts will rule on it, but never mind that Obama is not a citizen... everything else in his past adds up to the fact he would be destructive to America.

I guess maybe someone should tell BO Kenyan grandmother to quit saying she was at the birth when he was born in Kenya? I'm sure she is lying though and NOT BO!! He just needs to produce this document ..is it too much to ask of someone who wants to be President? I mean we all have to when required!

this is not a certified birth certificate. nice try obama

The Obama document is a Certification of Live Birth. This is not to be confused with the longer Certificate of Live Birth that has the hospital name and doctor/witnesses signature. If Obama was born in Hawaii, they have a filed copy of the longer Certificate of Live Birth. They do not normally give that out because it takes longer to find/copy and certify that than it does to print a Certification of Live Birth from archived data. Most places will take the Certification of Live Birth as all the documentation they need. You can get your longer Certificate of Live Birth (in spite of the miss information on "Factcheck.org" that there is nor box to request it.) In the box for "reason," you write for Depart. of Homeland Security. They want the longer version because the shorter one does not contain enough data. Obama has failed to do this. Why? He has 600 million in campaign funds donated to him. Money can not be an object. An additional note is- you could have gotten a shorter Certification of Live Birth in Hawaii in the early 1960's even if you were not born there. It was a service they provided for people who lived in Hawaii for at least one year before the birth (as I understand it.) That is why the Department of Homeland security does not want the short version. They have to spend a lot of time investigating the other details to verify you are actually who you claim to be.

From factcheck.org (amonst lots of other related info):
"The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."
If the US State Department says it's valid enough proof of natural born citizenship then it's good enough for me.

i had to show a birth cert when i got my drivers license along with a hell of a lot of other documents. it would be foolish to just take this guys word for it.

duh!

This is unbelievable - people are staring directly at a birth certificate for Obama and they still refuse to believe it! Every single person who refuses to acknowledge the obvious should have their voting rights revoked. I wish only intelligent, informed people were allowed to vote - our country would be so much better.

A certificate of live birth from the State of Hawaii is not a birth certificate. Obama's sister has one and it is an undisputed fact that she was born in Indonesia. This situation is absurd!

The insanity continues. The republican party continues to amaze us with the way they run a campaign. True to McBush form, the insane, instead of answering "real" questions on the issues that concern Americans, try to focus on the most empty headed notions to try and win. What Bozo in his right mind(besides these) thinks that the RNC hasn't checked this 1 million times? Keep howling at the moon little minded ones........and watch the election get away from you.
What fools!

It says under father's race "African" since when is African a race?? Its a nationality. Back in 1961 it would have been posted as "negro" or "mulatto" since Obama is biracial. Folks, don't fall for this fake birth certificate.

You will notice that the Country says Honolulu. Hmm.

Posted by: Scooter | October 25, 2008 10:24 AM

All I notice is COUNTY. But go back and keep looking, I'm sure there is a clue there somewhere. Don't give up!

Fake

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

I couldn't use that birth certificate to even get a drivers license in Missouri. Another problem I see is I have seen other birth certificates from Hawaii from the 60's when the father is from Africa. The correct term from that era for his fathers race is Negro. They were not politically correct until the late 80's.

The copy of Mr. Obama's Birth Certificate looks too "neat"; as if the typeset was produced with a word processing program - not a type writer. Additionally, it oddly looks too "plain" with little detail. Take a look at this link to see a Hawaii birth certificate produced 2 years after Mr. Obama was born.
Something just doesn't look right when you compare the two certificates.
http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521

Obama's refusal to come out and address these issues with real concrete answers, and his attempt to hide his past in secrecy smacks of the same "we know better then you so vote for me and then go back to paying taxes" polittics that has plagued Washington. It looks like Obama could be even more secretive and underhanded than the current president has been.

Obama's Birt certificate is a fraud. First of all Country should say U.S.A second in 1961 his fathers race would have said Negro not african. African came in the late 70's and was started to be used in 1980. Fact his Grandmother , brother and sister say he was born in Kenya Africa. that's enough for me, he is a fake.

losers!

$10 and a phone call to fix this mess.

He refuses.

What are we SUPPOSED to think?

Pleeze..next you will be telling me a fairy tale that Fackcheck.org is really non partisan lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FactCheck

"FactCheck.org is a nonprofit website[1] that describes its own goal as "[reducing] the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics." In its efforts, FactCheck claims it is nonpartisan.[2] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.[2]

Partisan political ties

Barack Obama was a founding member, chairman, and president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was also funded by the Annenberg Foundation.[4]"

What idiots. First, it does not say his race is Caucasian. It says his mother's race is Caucasian and his father's is African. I recently had to order a copy of my birth certificate for my passport and guess what? It was computer generated and looked nothing like the original. I guess that means I am a fraud and an illegal citizen. The truth is that everything has become computerized and requirements vary state to state. Please don't blame Obama for this like you do everything else wrong in the world. You should be looking to Bush and the evil non-Christian conservatives for that!

If this is real, then why does the form number on the bottom left corner read REV 11/01 LASER.? If it were 1961 it might have read 11/61. And what about LASER? Complete fake

My parents misplaced my birth certificate for a while. I needed one during college -- I think it was for a passport. Anyway, I went to the county records office and had a facsimile birth certificate issued. It looks nothing like my original birth certificate (which was eventually found). It was typed and modern (if I had it done today, it would be computerized), and had both my birthdate and the date the facsimile was issued. I was able to use it to get the passport. Lots of people lose their original birth certificates and have to have facsimilies issued from the records office. With all of these made-up allegations against Obama, the person making it up is the one with the burden of proof -- not Obama. Joe Schmoe could say John McCain was born on the moon (or any other lie); John McCain has no obligation to prove to Joe Schmoe, a LIAR and FABRICATOR, that he was NOT born on the moon. The burden is on Joe Schmoe to prove that John McCain WAS born on the moon. Since there is no proof ANYWHERE that Ann Dunham went to Kenya to have a baby -- the burden of proof is on Berg/Martin et al to demonstrate that this happened. They have not. Case closed.

Come on guys... Can you not do any better than this? Don't try to sell rocks for diamonds. Again - Another pitiful attempt at trying to pull one over the American public.
Another B.S COPY.
Good try though.

does anyone believe that after running for President for over 18months, a senator for 2 years, an Illinios senator for 6 years, etc that if Barack was not American it would have been conclusively concluded? As for the wingnut who said African is a nationality..... you clearly need either an education or prayers or both, there is no country as African! Move on people, stop looking for arguements that do not exist

Since his mother is a citizen, isn't Obama a natural-born citizen no matter where he was born or who his father is?

CLICK THIS LINK BY PHILIP BERG - AN ATTORNEY WHO NOTES OBAMA CAN NOT COME UP WITH A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND HAS A LAWSUIT PENDING - WHY WON'T OBAMA RESPOND AND JUST PRODUCE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR THE COURTS? BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE!! ( a live birth cerfiticate shown above is WORTHLESS!!)

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/10/obama-birth-certificate-federal-lawsuit-video-released-on-youtube/

Howard

If Mr. Obama could produce a real birth certificate, one that didn't raise additional facts that would harm him, he whould have by now. It seems reasonable that the onus and responsibility is his to prove he is elegible to "rule". Pretty basic stuff really. What is he hiding? Alternately, step aside, and we won't ask.

Phillip J. Berg is lifelong democratic. Mr Berg filed the lawsuit in PA.
Ths is neither a democratic or republican issue.
Why is Barrack spending millions not to produce a document where it would
take zero dollars to produce the document and let us move on. Take a look.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal/phillip-j-berg-and-the-october-surprise/

Typical sychophantic Tribune swill. Those of us following this issue know that there is a lot of history to this certification of live birth----it has had many permutations and is in fact NOT AN ACTUAL VAULT BIRTH CERTIFICATE. This is a certification of live birth, offered by the Obama team to shut up the lazy press from really delving into this man's true past. If there is nothing on his vault birth certificate that is unusual or unexpected, release it immediately. Janice Okubo, of the Hawaii Dept. responsible for same indicates that they would release it with the permission of Obama. Why doesn't he just give permission? With this tactic, he is paving the way for 18 year olds and Arnold Schwarzenegger to run for POTUS. Because if the constitutional provisions to not apply to him, then who do they apply to?

Possible reasons: his real name is not as we have been told, no father is listed, a different father is listed, he wasn't born in this country. I don't know what else there could be, and I don't think any of the above would sway his swooning masses.

Over the years I've had many, mahy opportunities to see birth certificates from many different jurisdictions, in , you might say, an adjudicatory sort of way.

And they vary greatly. There is usually a hospital certificate , which is regarded as unofficial, and something in a public record book or data base from which multiple "originals" may be generated over time. Sometimes the format and typography of the "originals" so generated will change over the years.

So that trash talk about certain technology not being available in 1961 is just that: garbage. You can go to the public record office today in Chicago and get an "original" birth cert. for a birth in the 50's that will look different in format from an "original" of the same birth obtained 10 years ago.

This reminds me of the flap over W's service record, and the rightwing talking point about "proportional type was not available in the 60's and the docs are fake" yada yada.

In fact, IBM made a typewriter in those years called the IBM Executive which had proportional type (M 4 times as many spaces as i, etc.) and also had raised "th" characters, as in 5th Avenue.

I know because I had one.

In fact IBM developed this technology as early as WW II.

So people like JD who love to perpetuate this garbage are, in the classic definition, disinformation trolls.

Somehow you convienently forgot to add this ....fran.....
The president and chairwoman of the foundation, Leonore Annenberg, born in 1918, has endorsed John McCain in the 2008 presidential election. [5]

Here is what it says on the State Department's website. That is who issues US passports:

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes

Notice that it says some short/abstract versions might not be accepted. I just don't get why Obama refuses to release his long version. I had to get my son's long-version for his passport, it is not hard to do. Also about Obama's medical records, are we really supposed to buy that one page letter from his Doctor saying he is in good health? He is a 47 year old smoker with a family history of cancer.

At this point, I really cannot tell who is telling the truth.

Most people I know who support Obama don't care where he was born. That part of the Constitution just does not matter to them. It bothers me that his grandmother and other relatives say he was born not in HI.

It will be great for African Americans to have him win; really fantasic the pride they now have.

If they knock him off the ballot over where he was born, I would expect a repeat of 60s burnings of homes.

The Judges are pretty supportive of him, so this should not be a problem. Just another footnote in some book about possible real American History.

He will win it looks like; I sincerely wish him well. He has the skills to be a great leader and President; I pray he has the character.

I sense in is heart he wants to help people as much as he wants to be President.

I hope he has the "wisdom" of King Solomon, the "restraint" of JFK, The "Vision" of Reagan, the gift of "political balance" of George Washington, and the "love of the Constitution of the United States" of James Madison.

This article does not represent the truth behind the matter, and if you want to know what the real accusations are, the details specifically abou the lawsuit, then go to
obamacrimes.com
americasright.com
These sites will give you details of the actual suit and the motions filed, the judge presiding, and the fact that the Obama campaign and the DNC have not produced the birth certificate within the 30 day time period...filed on Oct. 15, and therefore, by matter of procedure, they have "admitted that he is not in fact a citizen"...because they did not take any action within the court or to the judge, that would stop the lawsuit by proving it otherwise.

This writer is not giving you all the facts. He is citing the "live certificate of birth"...shown on Obama's site...which is not the proof required...the actual birth certificate is what Philip Berg...and others who are currently filing suits in 8 other states...are pressing the campaign and Obama to produce.
It has been brought to the attention of the court, and has been overlooked by the MSM, but that does negate the facts...Obama traveled to Pakistan at a time that it was on a "no travel" list for Americans...so, the question arises? How was he able to go get a passport in that case? Did he have an Indonesian or Kenyan passport of citizen to enable him to bypass this?
This is all very legit, and the writer here, by actually addressing the issue, is squeemish and afraid that we are all on to this now...it has been forced out of the blogosphere by recently getting more attention on radio shows...national attention...go to the michaelsavage.com site and here the interview of the lawyer who brought the case in Philadelphia....a former district attorney, life-long Democrat, and someone who can explain the full details better than anyone...especially this writer.

This is unbelievable - people are staring directly at a birth certificate for Obama and they still refuse to believe it! Every single person who refuses to acknowledge the obvious should have their voting rights revoked. I wish only intelligent, informed people were allowed to vote - our country would be so much better.

Posted by: Rachel | October 25, 2008 12:25 PM

Wrong Rachel, it's not a birth certificate. Further, if only intelligent informed voters were allowed to vote, would that include the bus loads of homeless people and the brain dead youth? I agree with you, only the informed, intelligent should vote...the Libs would never again win another election with their "we'll give you everything you need" platform. You kind makes me sad for our future.

John McCain was required to show his birth certificate when he applied to be admitted to the US Naval Academy as a high school senior...just as I did when I applied to and was accepted by the USAF Academy years ago...so we know for a fact that he has one...we do NOT know with any degree of certainty that this is the case with Obama...and given that his own online campaign website has removed the above shown 'certificate', it is apparent it is not genuine....and for some reason he refuses to produce one...for reasons which by now should be all too apparent to anyone who discerns what is really happening here

A certificate issued by a hospital is NOT a 'real' birth certificate, rather it's a more of a keepsake now.

It's the certificate that comes from your state's vital stat office with all of the proper watermarks and stamps that is considered legit. Hospitals are not government entities.

The international civil and political rights organization AXJ is carrying out heir own investigation and is wondering why this important case has not gone before the American People and a trial by jury as requested. www.axjus.com

Obama's mother did not leave the country until she was 25 years old (which sort of proves that he's was born in the US) but even for those most delusional conspiracy theorists I point out that the rule for children born to one US citizen outside the US, at the time he was born, stated. " For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. " So, for the sake of your conspiracy, even if she slipped out of the country for a bit, and he was born elsewhere, he'd still be considered a US citizen. Please move on to things that really matter . You're just trying to get him disqualified on petty stuff because your candidate is losing.

Do these people have any idea how ridiculous they sound?
Is there any wonder the republican brand is quickly becoming irrelevant?

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You will notice that the Country says Honolulu. Hmm.

Posted by: Scooter | October 25, 2008 10:24 AM
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The word shown there is "COUNTY", not "Country".

this is obviously a fake. one would think the dems. could do a better job faking docs. by now.it did not work in 2004 w/ bush airforce docs. this is even worse.

Any moron can see that the certificate everyone has been looking at is NOT an original. The form, the laser printer, for date is 11/01 etc., etc. This does not mean he was not born in Hawaii - I believe there is a clipping from the paper - or that he wasn't switched in the hospital ..... etc. The real point is - Where is the original? And, Why not release and publish it? The other stuff is just nitpicking. The MOTIVE for not publishing the original (not a modern copy) is the real question. Barrak is home in Hawaii now - HE should track it down and get it out before the election to end the murmur once and for all. Unless of course HE is the reason it isn't coming out... then we have another story don't we :-)

OK, at first I thought that this was all the production of a few hysterical and unbalanced right-wingers. However, after reading up a bit on his, it does appear that there are a few legitimate questions here. For one, why doesn't this certificate resemble atual birh certificates that were issued in Hawaii in the early 1960s? Also, I know that my own (Illinois) birth certificate issued in the 1970s looks far less professional than the one posted by Mr. Silva. Finally, what's up with that Rev. 11/01 notation on the "certificate of live birth"? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

and was accepted by the USAF Academy years ago...so we know for a fact that he has one.
Posted by: Robbins Mitchell | October 25, 2008 2:54 PM

This is totally a lie. The document McBush used was a forgery. He must be a natural born citizen and he was born in Panama. His father faked the documents and the media has refused to follow up on the story.

ps...2 can play this stupid, stupid game!

This certificate is considered valid proof of citizenship everywhere in the world except the right wing blogs. Yes you can get a passport with it, no it's not just "a keepsake", yes it was recently printed via computer USING THE BIRTH RECORDS KEPT BY THE STATE OF HAWAII. Hawaiian officials have verified this. He has shown it to the people he needed to show it to PLUS put it online (unlike the other candidates) just to prove it. It has a seal, the info is all legitimate. Just because it's not what YOU want to see doesn't make it less valid.

not an original BC..NO hospital would have so little info, and a "certifictae of live birth" is NOT an official BC..can't get kids into school without the REAL thing..no "live birth" certs accepted. Maybe the info is not correct either? who knows..his paternal grandma/great aunt? somebody said they were present at his birth in Kenya...gee...sure sounds like nobody really knows.

We, the American people, have a right to
1. see an original not a copy of his birth certificate.
2. see his Columbia transcripts.
3. read his thesis from Columbia.
4. hear from Bill Ayers.
5. hear from Vera Baker.

Lying and denying are not acceptable answers.

When you post the certificate of live birth for Senator Obama, then we will have the truth. My daughter was born in Hawaii, so I know that what you have on this website is not a certificate of live birth. Where is it? Where are copies of Senator Obama's medical records posted for viewing? Where are copies of Senator Obama's educational records posted for viewing? Why do we as American citizens feel that he is trying to pull something over on us? Your answers to these questions will go a long way to proving his citizenship.

come on now. let's see the original COLB if they don't have nothing to hide, and WHY did obama rush to hawaii. i bet his grandma is all better now. something stinks. BAD!

Why is it unreasonable to expect Obama to produce an actual, state certified copy of their record of birth in the U.S.? How difficult would it be for him to simply present the actual document at a press conference where a variety of media can actually see and touch the actual paper copy? My understanding is the only place that has seen this document for Obama is an organization run by the Annenberg Foundation called FactCheck.Org. Annenberg is the parent organization of the board Obama sits on with Ayers, so I don't think this is an objective third party. This should be a non-issue and the fact that it is something that is not readily supplied to the news media raises questions. If Obama really wants to put this to rest, show the certificate. I understand that each state has an abstract that is used for the purposes of certifying birth in that state and these will be computer generated and not look like original birth certificates of 1963. Obama could easily end the doubt and speculation by providing the record of his birth or better yet, authorizing the state of Hawaii to release a copy to the AP! Or CNN!

NANC STATES: "but even for those most delusional conspiracy theorists I point out that the rule for children born to one US citizen outside the US, at the time he was born, stated. " For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child. "

RESPONSE:
The process you refer to is naturalized citizenship. A person who becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization is not considered a natural-born citizen. Consequently, naturalized U.S. citizens are not eligible to become President of the United States or Vice President of the United States. Instead of putting down those asking for a legitimate, widespread viewing of this document (much as the Dems have demanded more medical records for McCain and Palin) why not encourage your candidate to produce a certified copy of the certificate of birth to the media and set all rumors to rest. There are currently lawsuits trying to get this information and it is absurd that Obama has only shown proof to those closest to his campaign. NO Dem would tolerate this from the Rep. candidate and in fact raised issues regarding McCain's eligibility due to birth on a naval base in Panama.

Excellent video illustrating what is really going on with this issue

Is there anyone out there that has a Hawaii birth certificate from 1961 to show everyone what they look like. I checked with the Hawaii health department and there should be a reased seal on it. Even when copyed it will still show the seal.

JMH
Fort Lauderdale, FL

in august, i had to travel out of the country for an emergency relating to family. i had to get a new passport because the last one i had was from when i was about 8 years old (i'm thirtysomething now). in order to get a passport, i had to get a copy of my birth certificate, because my original certificate had either been lost during my mom's move from hawaii to oregon or i misplaced it during one of my moves within honolulu.

now that i've gone through that entirely long story, here's the gist: the image above of mr. obama's birth certificate is exactly what the state of hawaii issues when you request a replacement. the reprint is made available within minutes of one's requesting it, as long as that person can provide the required identification. the reprint is printed on a laser printer and the clerk makes a certified mark on it. it's a certified copy by the state of hawaii, and it's accepted by the department of homeland security as birth certificate documentation necessary in order to get a us passport or hawaii state id or hawaii driver license. my birth certificate reprint looks exactly as mr. obama's does. the state of hawaii would not be able to provide a reprint of any birth certificate (by the way, when i was born in the 70s, my original also said "certificate of live birth," if i remember correctly) unless they had a record of an original in their files.

to answer one person's question, the "rev 11/01" refers to a revision of hawaii statute, and nothing else.

additionally, it does say "COUNTY" and not "COUNTRY," as some people misread.

i presume that if my reprinted birth certificate, which looks exactly like mr. obama's above, except with my personal information, is acceptable by the US dept of homeland security for the purpose of issuing me a passport and providing US citizenship, then it should also be more than sufficient to prove birth in hawaii as an american.

We want Mr. Obama to come clean but he is not. That is not a real birth certificate. Check the one AXJ has posted on their website in the USA: www.axjus.com

This should be overwith. He does not want to produce medical records because they will say he is not a us citizen. Have you ever seen a bogus Social Security card that an illegal immigrant has? It is on official SS paper. He could get anything he wanted to produce what ever he needed. But this is unbelievable that you would even vote for someone who is an Indonesian. If he had citizenship he gave it up to go to school in Indonesia. That is where his citizenship is. Please just let us at least have an American Citizen as president. Just produce the stupid document and release your medical records and it is over. Just do it!!!!

This is not a birth certificate. This is only a registry of birth. His paternal grandmother has said that he was born in Kenya. The hospital in Hawaii refuses to produce any records, because simply they do not have any. See obamacrimes website.

Guys stop!
Why all of this!

additional comments: someone commented on mr. obama not having his SSN on his reprinted certificate above.

i think most people do not have their SSN on their birth certificates. popping out of a vagina on american soil does not automatically grant you an SSN. your parents have to apply for it after your birth.

the last thing i would point out is that the governor of hawaii, linda lingle, is a republican who spoke at the republican national convention and who, if i am not mistaken, is currently travelling in the continental US to campaign for mccain. if mr. obama's birth in hawaii could not be substantiated by the state of hawaii, then governor lingle would be the first person to say that mr. obama's claim of american birth in hawaii was fraudulent.

Yes! This blog entry proves beyond a reasonable doubt that I will retire rich by getting you all of you ignorant people to part with your money.

Here's the deal. States/County (Country? Hmmmm. LOL) clerks record the original form submitted by the hospitals/doctors/midwives or other official who verifies a birth.

That record is filed by the clerk and stored for posterity. When a persons copy is lost or destroyed they can go to the clerk for a certified replacement that is printed from the computerized records, embossed with the clerks stamp and mailed to the requestor. This serves as a legally acceptable form of birth certificate.

Over the years, the clerks have tried to store the documents as carefully as possible, but the advent of air conditioning is relatively recent. Some documents have become illegible, disintegrated or otherwise lost (fire, flood, tornado, etc.) The clerks have computerized the records in recent decades to include all of the births on record. They don't actually go back into the files and make photocopies of original certificates anymore. The original may not exist anymore. These things happen.

I was born in Cook County. I had to get a new certified copy to get married and used that for my passport. My original "copy" had been lost long ago.

The revision on the scan above refers to the version of form that is used by the County of Hawaii. It was last updated in November 2001 and is used for laser printers.

The fathers term "African" is the latest incarnation of PC descriptions. Negro may have been appropriate at one time, but the county would have replaced that term with the currently acceptable term in their system and on any new forms printed.

Now go. Use your newfound knowledge to think for yourselves and question the talking points from both parties that they would have you regurgitate ad hominum

Someone else provided a copy of their vault birth certificate from Hawaii in 1963. It does contain all the usual birth weight, hospital name, etc.

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg

I believe Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.

That being said, what is posted above is NOT a birth certificate, or "certificate of live birth" as they term it in Hawaii. Wrong again, Mark.

Rather, it is (as can be read on the top) a state "certification" of live birth. Which "certification" is a document saying the state of Hawaii has searched its records, including the original "certificate of live birth", and verifies the facts stated as being on those records.

The original "certificate of live birth" contains more and different information. Obama could release this, but so far has chosen not to do so.

My daughter was born in hawaii and her birth certificate has the name of the hospital, the name of the doctor, the signature of the doctor, both parents signatures, and a raised seal. Obama's certification of live birth shows none of those things. In my heart, I believe it is NOT real and since he refuses to release his birth certificate, his medical records or his college records, I can only logically and reasonably conclude he is a fraud.

You all might be interested in hearing that Barack was an Indonesian citizen and studied the religion of Islam....you decide...here's a very interesting video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC54PXA0jG0

Berg is attempting to protect the constitution and avoid a constitutional crisis. Obama and company have Not produced a legitimate birth certificate and his paternal grandmother has sworn she was in the delivery room when he was born in Kenya. A judge let Obama off the hook by ruling that citizens can't "police" the process by demanding validation. I say we're been snookered by Obama.

The posted Obama's Birth Certificate is a fake. In the lower left corner it says: OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER. In 1961 there were no Laser printers. It's amazing how the "experts" didn't see it.

don't birth certificates and colb list sex of child?????

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1813663,00.html?imw=Y

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Not only no Hospital, also no state seal. Bu even if it had it all, Obama, by way of NOT responding to over five lawsuits now, has proven he has something to hide. Whats the big deal? Your're running for the highest office in the world,is it too much to ask to produce your "growing up records" to show all those people you suppsoedly love so much, who you really are? It's called law! I can't even run fro dogcatcher without releasing ALL my past, but we're suppsoed to give a man running for pres a complete a pass on all missing entities of his life???

"CLICK THIS LINK BY PHILIP BERG - AN ATTORNEY WHO NOTES OBAMA CAN NOT COME UP WITH A BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND HAS A LAWSUIT PENDING"

And dismissed.
But surely you know any nut job (especially an attorney with a political axe to grind (enbittered Hillary supporter)) can file a lawsuit and that in of itself means NOTHING.

FWIW:
"Politifact.com, a fact check web site, says, "Unlike other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled." After the Obama campaign released a copy of the birth certificate, however, Politifact says they went a step further: "We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real. ‘It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,' spokesman Janice Okubo told us." Still, questions persisted.

Politifact says, "When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers." "If this document is forged," Politifact says, "a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (ILL.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.""
As copied from:
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977486793

"My understanding is the only place that has seen this document for Obama is an organization run by the Annenberg Foundation called FactCheck.Org. Annenberg is the parent organization of the board Obama sits on with Ayers, so I don't think this is an objective third party."

Good grief supposed "concerned voter" the Annenberg Organization supports a LOT of educational programs in a lot of places (including UPenn and Eisenhower Medical Center) and if such affiliations matter the Annebergs were Regan Republicans. It doesn't take much research to know these things if you didn't already. Mentioning them as if some disqualifier against factcheck about Obaba's birth certificate is absurd. Likewise the repeated mention of Ayers - this is devisive nonsense to stir up trouble.

Some seem to be losing sight of the ONLY important question in this whole thing (not that the RNC would have let this slide up until now if a genuine concern or one to milk):

Was Obama born in Hawaii?

If so, he is a nb citizen. End of subject.

The argument over whether he has a valid certificate OR NOT is completely irrelevant. Having, or not having, a certificate does not make the citizenship, location of birth does and this short form certainly establishes location thus natural born citizenship.

Berg is a kook with more time on his hands than evidence (some lawyer huh?) and the burden of proof is on him which he failed to support in his case (stunt).
That he's enjoying the spotlight enough to want to take to a higher court is hardly surpising. If he was putting this kind of effort into uncovering Palin's email records we'd be hearing a whole differnet tune from the wingnuts on both sides.
Concerned voter goes on to say:
"NO Dem would tolerate this from the Rep. candidate and in fact raised issues regarding McCain's eligibility due to birth on a naval base in Panama"

Raised by who? You seem to miss that Berg was a Hillary supporter then and now going after another Dem.
FYI He's also a 9/11 denial nut who filed a RICO lawsuit against Bush/Cheney.....so don't make this out ot be a Republican=truth vs Democrat=deception case cause that too would be ignorant and inflamatory.

One last time - if this was a real issue the RNC wouldn't let it get by them as an attack opportunity.

What the judge said (w/emphasis):
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/

First off Im not for McCain Or Obama.
Bottom line is you MUST be a US Citizen to be president. Obama has yet to prove he is a US Citizen. Its obvious that BC is fake.
Kena will ne laughing when there Obama son is running our country.

So, we are to take your word for it. The refusal of Barack Obama to produce all his records is disturbing, and smells of a possible cover-up.

Was this the real reason for the visit to his 'ailing grandmother'? To obtain a doctored birth cerfiicate?

"First off Im not for McCain Or Obama.
Bottom line is you MUST be a US Citizen to be president."

GK If you're going to rehash bottom limes so late at least get it right - one must be not just be a citizen but a natural born citizen (as of Sept08 the Supreme Court has never ruled on what "natural born" means but this seems a fairly long list here:
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html ). Obama's been running for the last 2 years and the dirt diggers are pretty relentless - I doubt they or the FEC would miss such a well known prerequisite.

"Obama has yet to prove he is a US Citizen."
Again your confused about the debate at hand (he most certainly is a US citizen and the Federal Election Commission accepted his credentials.

"Its obvious that BC is fake."
Obvious to who? What are your credentials? Most of the reasons for concluding it fake here are ridiculous (lack of SSN, proportional fonts etc ).We've yet to hear an authority that matters give any such conclusion. In the mean time the law is that US Government documents are to be taken on face value - meaning until PROVEN to be falsified. The burden of proof is with armchair quarterbacks trying to stir this up from their home computers.

"Kena will ne laughing when there Obama son is running our country."
I'm not sure what makes this a topic for glibness or humor. It's a lose lose situation. If it were true it would be horrific betrayal for the country and if it's a false accusation like most of the ones being slung it only serves to divide us as a nation. My bet is with the later - that there is nothing wrong with Obamas citizenship specifics and that as top in his class at Harvard Law & constitutional law professor/lecturer he appreciates the seriousness of the constitution and of perjury. Worried? Not me.

The cert of birth is forged. Also, difference between birth cert and cert of birth. No hospital because it is only stating he is born, not where.
Barry Soetoro (sp) has a birth cert in Kenya. Attorney Phil J Berg has tape of his paternal step-grandmother stating she was at his birth in Kenya. He also was adopted by Indonesian father-- and had Indonesian passport. So, he cannot be president. See www.obamacrimes.com

1st off, I have to laugh at this hosts policy to moderate over-the-top personal attacks. HA HA.

2nd of all, this just in, (OK, Ellison already mentioned it. But) Berg's law suit has been dismissed.

3rd and finally. (Which has also already been stated) If Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States. It would have been revealed by now and he wouldn't be the 1st Black Man (OK, Only 1/2 black and 1/2 white too!) on the road to the White House.

4th and most futile. Right wingers are OK in my book. Keep up the good work! You guys are great! I Love You! And Remember... What The World Needs Now, is Love Sweet Love, It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No not just for some but for everyone.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

I will admit I was a skeptic as well, but I have read that at least three independent parties have personally viewed and verified the original document. As for the conspiracies entailing the copy posted on the Obama website, I will note the following.
1. The laser image and date of 11/01 in the lower left corner is the Hawaii revision number that is representative of the copies that are produced periodically by Hawaii DOH. The format of copies changes routinely.
2. The so called missing notary seal can be clearly seen on the Fact check site. The bleed through on the front facing just below the seal is from the certifying doctors stamp on the back side who issued it in June 06 when it was requested after Obama declared candidacy.
3.The people who swear it is a forgery because computer fonts were not available in 1961 do need tin foil hats. The posting does not state it to be an image of an original copy. It was clearly created by Hawaii DOH on request and printed in June 06 on the November 01 revision format.
4. As for the fathers race stated as African and not Negroid as other conspiracies state? Hawaii DOH states that the race is listed based on the declaration statements of the parents directly at the time.
5. The document number redacted on the Obama "fight the smears" website is visible on the Fact Check site"

Misc: If you are apprehensive that the Fact Check.Org site is the only site to post the actual document and has affiliations with the Annenberg firm, then I would suggest merely that they were also the same group that publicly disproved the same accusations about McCains elegibility.
It would be nice to see an actual long form version of the COLB, but the version that is posted is all that is ever required for virtually any proof of citizenship.

I have seen friends who have Hawaii Birth Certificates and Senator Obama's looks exactly like them. There is such a thing at losing an election with dignity, but the little repubican children are just really throwing that whole idea out the window.

Jeff wrote:

"The posted Obama's Birth Certificate is a fake. In the lower left corner it says: OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER. In 1961 there were no Laser printers. It's amazing how the 'experts' didn't see it."

Look, I don't like Obama, but let's be fair here. You don't expect them to reissue an original birth certificate do you? Of course the form and printing methods are not going to be from 1961! This is an official copy (apparently).

I'm not even weighing in on whether or not the document is real. I'm just pointing out that a real document would be printed by a laser printer and using modern forms. Anyone who has gotten a copy of their birth certificate after losing the original would know this.

What's most significant to me is that there was a birth announcement in the local paper in Hawaii with Obama's name. It's hard to imagine that happening if he wasn't actually born there.

That being said, I'm still voting for McCain. Obama is hiding plenty of stuff, INCLUDING the full form of his birth certificate, his college records, etc. I think we have a right to know about who we're voting on.

The copy in this article clearly says that any alteration makes this certificate invalid. It has been altered. The number is blocked out.
Therefor, it is invalid.
Case closed.

All,

Maybe someone already posted this, but I read the first several comments and they were all over the board - with kind of the ridiculous stuff that makes this whole thing look "nut job."

What Obama provided is a "Certificate of Live Birth", not an actual birth certificate. Per http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/index.html , "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country."

The Certificate of Live Birth, is in fact, authenticate. But the fact that he has been unwilling, or far more critically - unable, to produce an actual birth certificate, is what's troubling. The "i" in African; the fact that in '63 they would have said "Negro"; the fact that no hospital is there; the fact that there's no embossment (which there is, but not on the scanned copy)....none of this has play.

The "Certificate of Live Birth" is legit, but it proves nothing. What proves a lot, in my opinion, is that the Obama campaign is expending time, money and resources to fight various suits all across the country - rather than just producing the birth certificate and ending all speculation. Further troubling, when they did produce the "Certificate of Live Birth", what governing body did they give it to in order to incite legitimacy? Well, none other than factcheck.org - which isn't a governing body at all, but rather....I hate to say it, and I swear I don't wear tin foil hats....but is in fact, factcheck.org that is, an entity of the Annenberg Foundation, which brings us back full circle to the Ayers-affiliated group Obama worked pretty smoothly to duck, early on. It's pretty shady. If you're being vetted for the Presidency, you'd think, oh I don't know, maybe the Board of Elections, Federal Election Commission or even the dang DNC would be a good place to start asking for legitimacy and credibility. "Naaa. We'll go right to the real deal....we'll go right to factcheck.org." Seriously, Obama folks? Really? Okay. But when the court cases start popping up, why invest the time, money and resources to fight the allegations in a game of cat and mouse? Produce the document, end the accusations, and use the money you'd have spent fighting it in court to help the middle class - or something. Right? No one? Anyone? Someone? Freaking Bueller?

I don't give a damn if he's from the moon. He's got my vote!

This is a certificate of live birth - it is not the same as a birth certificate. People seem to think he's not a natural-born citizen per the allegation....so why can't he just produce the ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE? One more reason not to trust Barrack Hussein Obama.

Hi Hank,

I realize that you're not an American, but you have to understand that the American justice system does not work the way you think it does. See, you assume that Obama is was not born in Hawaii and must prove was.

But as all Americans know, you are innocent until proven guilty. That means that if Obama says he was born in Hawaii he has. It is up to _you_ to prove that he isn't.

I realize that these concepts are strange to you anti-Americans, but that's because you're not in the Real America.

JohnJ

My daughter was born in Haw'aii in 1995. The one posted for Obama above looks exactly like my daughters, course with her info. It also has the "(Rev 11/01)Laser" on it.
I now reside in Texas and have never had a problem registering her for school with that certificate.

I have lost it before and this is the 2nd one I have recieved for $10 and it looks just like the 1st one I got after she was born.
Their is no doctor signature on it. On the back of the BC it says "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the recordon file in the Haw'aii state department of Health. Then the state registar signature.
Their is a raised seal on it but it's not very visible and not very raised. So, I am sure if I were to scan it, it would not be seen. If you'd like I can scan it and show it to ya'll. Course, I will black out the info.

BO - Post your REAL birth certificate or LOSE MY VOTE!

I believe if you are not truthful now you certainly won't be if elected.

I have just read the comments for this article, and I am torn between laughter and tears at the profound lack of knowledge.

If you can post comments to this article, you should be able to research U.S. government web sites. Check out the laws regarding citizenship of children born to a U.S. citizen at home or abroad, and look at how to apply for a U.S. passport and its use as a legal document.

Senator Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, therefore, Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen by birth, regardless of where that birth took place. He was born in Hawaii, but he could have been born at the North Pole, and he still would be a U.S. citizen by birth.

In addition, the U.S. government has already verified Senator Obama's citizenship and place of birth prior to issuing his U.S. passport. Even if you are unaware that that birth certificate formats vary not only from state to state but also from year to year, the National Passport Center has it under control.

Please acquire a little knowledge instead of repeating the absurd. It won't be as entertaining for the rest of us, but it would be a refreshing change.

The document posted above IS accepted whereever a birth certificate is required. Whether or not forgery on the above document has occurred, I wouldn't begin to attempt to address, but that is, in fact, a Hawaii birth certificate. When requesting a copy of a person's birth certificate from Hawaii, THAT document is what you will receive, and it IS valid for passports, entry into the public school system, driver's licenses, etc. Whether it states Birth Certificate or Certificate of Live Birth, it is indeed considered to be a valid, legal birth certificate, and it is certified, I can see the date of the certification on the scan. (In the lower center, you can read 2007 backwards from the date portion, beside it will be the stamped signature of Hawaii's state registrar stating: I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii state Department of Health" There are NO SEALS on official Hawaii birth certificates. (And I do know for fact because I am holding my son's, whose is identical to the one scanned above, save for the personal information)

Argue that it is his sister's and pasted over, that I could believe, but all the nitpicking about a lack of seal, country vs county, blah blah blah is stupid. The above picture is very definitely a scan of how a Hawaii birth certificate (as issued to parents when a child is born in the state...the "crib card" birth certificate you receive in hospitals there DO NOT qualify as a legal document) looks.

Is Factchecker.org the same group that said Dan Rather's National Guard letters were legit????

I have two different birth certificates. I was born in California in 1969. The hospital certificate, which is not legal, shows where I was born, but does not have my footprints. It was issued by the hospital and signed by the doctor. The state issued an official birth certificate one month later. I can not use the hospital certificate for identification purposes but I I can use the state-issued certificate. This may be the case with Obama. The above document may simply be a certified copy of the original state-issue certificate.

My mom was born on a US millitary base in 1959 but guess what she was not consdered a US cit by birth even though both parents were cits so for those who say that because his mom was american it makes him american I also think that whoever gets in we are screwed both will die by either heart atack or gun shot

this is so obviously fake!

1. In 1961, the race would have been shown as negro.
2. There is no raised seal.
3. There is no signature.
4. Forensic experts testify that this is a photoshop of his sister's "Certificate of Live Birth".
5. I had to present my birth certificate (with a signature and raised seal) before I was allowed to join the US Military - Isn't Commander-In-Chief a more important position than seaman apprentice?

I can't believe someone who actually is knowledgeable enough to write for The Swamp would call a "Certificate of Live Birth" a "Birth Certificate." Everyone who isn't ignorant knows that this isn't an official birth certificate, something he has yet to provide the American people. Now, why in the world would a presidential candidate want to hide his birth information? Maybe because he wasn't born in this country! His own grandmother made a statement saying she was present for his birth in Kenya. This whole situation is rediculous and the fact that he tried to trick everyone into thinking he had put out an official document is absolutely way beyond the line.

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
Check it out. Is it fake too, or real too. I think that there needs to be some big thing made over what is real or not real. And no, I'm not particularly happy with factcheck.org. Not any one has convinced me, especially not the annointed one.

Obama could sprout a tail and scales and the press would call it endearing while his adoring fans flocked to the polls to cast their votes for the way cool lizard man.

First of all this was produced on a computer and there is no way in Hades they were using Computers in Hawaii in 1961 to prodcue Birth Certificates. This is an absolute joke. Somebody has to find that real Birth Certificate.

I am an Obama supporter, and truly believe this is a legal document and would be more than satisfactory to use to obtain a passport or other legal use. There is also no doubt in my mind this is a recently printed, computerized record.

BUT, it does seem silly they cannot obtain a certified copy of the original or some explanation of why they cannot (hospital burned down or something like that).

I know each state differs, but I have obtained a copy of mine (and I am about the same age) by going to Evanston City Hall (I was born at Evanston Hospital). I am not sure what I would get going to the County or the Hospital.

Bottom line, seems like they are hiding something to me. They really do need to come up with something to quell the rumors. Perhaps after the election at least.

On a related note, the term "natural born citizen" is not very clear. My reading of this is that the child was entitled to citizenship upon birth. In other words, not a naturalized citizen. I believe anyone with at least one parent that is a citizen, or is born in the US, is covered. I personally believe, someone born outside the US (perhaps the parents were employed outside the US or military) still meets the intent of the framers if one or both parents is a citizen and they were entitled to US citizenship at the time they were born.

Anyone can stretch the definition to fit their desired outcome. If Barack is suspect, so is McCain (being born in Panama). My view on the constitutional wording would allow either to serve, and I believe that also fits the intent of the framers. To the best of my knowledge, this has never been tested in court, and/or defined by precedent.

Clearly this "authentic birth certificate" was printed by a laser printer sometime after November 2001. The Document version information in the lower left hand corner clearly and verifiably shows that. Furthermore the sharpness of the font as well as the font itself scream laser print. If you believe that this is a genuine document from 1961, I would ask only that you please leave the voting to people with full mental capabilities. Maybe you spend election day reading a book, or learning when the laser printer was invented, or dong anything that will prevent you from continuing to be a gullible, moronic, brainwashed sheep for any longer than you already have been.

Shame on the swamp, shame on the DNC and shame on anyone who has willfully attempted to mislead the public like this. The intent is as obvious as the lack of effort. I'm not voting for Obama or McCain, but regardless of who you are voting for, you should be outraged that our "leaders" are so shameless in their manipulations and power grabs and take us all for such idiots (though some of you vigorously accept the part). And if you think it's OK to let this slide because you are an Obama supporter, tell me what you think he's really going to do for you, when he's already shown his willingness to lie to you to get serve his own needs first.

You'll get what you pay for dummies.

Is Obama not a Manchurian Candidate?He has no Birth Certificate.He won't release his records from his educational experience,and his whole thing last night was like a "get comfortable with me in the white house" propaganda piece.He's lived under three different names- where are all of his Harvard, Columbia friends?The only people we know: Wright, Ayres and now Khaliki(?) and a guy named Rezko who got him started in politics connections to Syria and Iraqi terrorists a convicted federal prisoner.

The certificate says COUNTY --Honolulu, not COUNTRY--as one poster opined.

His mother's name was Stanley?

All of this controversy would vanish if Mr. high & mighty would just release the official document instead of posting low-resolution internet copies... any argument against this flies in the face of all rational logic & behavior and can only lead any critical-thinking person to believe there is something to hide. But then again, we don’t have many critical thinkers anymore in America as all this idol-worship is proving.

This is a certification of a live birth, meaning one took place. It's purpose is not to show where so technically, it's doesn't prove anything one way or the other. That being said, it's a moot point.

DISGUSTED! You are absolutely correct. My husband born in Hawaii, in 1955 (Yep, it was a territory then, not a state), my daughters born in Hawaii, 1982 & 1986, all in Honolulu, a County and a City, hence "City and County of Honolulu". They all have an "original" birth certificate, yep the one that the parents sign, etc....PEOPLE.....Disgusted is correct in that the above cert is just that, a "Certification" that the information on this piece of paper is the same information off of the original "birth certificate". The original has much more info in it, but the info provided on the above is enough to get your passport, etc. I know, cuz thats what my daughters used to get theirs. HAH. I still don't know who I'm voting for, but the more blogs I read here, false accusations, etc...I may go Dem! I'm embarassed to be a Rep. Shame on you, ALL!

What a bunch of willful ignorance! Of course this document was printed by computer, it's from 2007! Anyone born in the US can get an official, legally valid, birth certificate from the appropriate state records office.

Do you people really think that if you lose that cute little orginal birth certificate with your footprints that you can never prove your birthplace or citizenship? Give me a break.

Okay here is one thing i notice. This copy was obtained Jun(or Jan) 6, 2007. You can tell this because if you zoom in you can see the date stamp on the back of the birth certificate. This is the actual format and paper they use for birth certificates in Hawaii, exact. No more information is released on them. I sat here and compared this birth certificate with the one I recieved from Hawaii for my daughter. I paid roughly 30 dollars and was quite disappointed that this is all that was on the birth certificate, but this is all you get when you are born in Hawaii. The only thing I saw weird like I said was the date stamp you can see through the back of the paper. This is where the state seal(BARELY RAISED AT ALL) and the notary sign and date every birth certificate. Also from what I understand that even people who were born in 1960's that were documented, can request a copy of their birth certificate and they receive the same thing I received for my daughters birth.

Go to factcheck.org and look up the article on Obama's birth certificate. It should illuminate this issue for those who are confused. They are a non-partisan non-profit.

I would like to see a downloadable clear version so I can take a closer look. And yes, computers were not around in 1961, however, with the right program, I can reproduce just about any document out there that can be printed on paper. Give us a close look at this document.

I seek your guidance on how to improve upon the number of candidates that are selected for interviews and hope this will translate to a significant improvement in the submittal-to-hire ratio as well.

The Constitution’s command that “[n]o Person except
a natural born Citizen * * * shall be eligible to the Office of
President” is an absolute prohibition against the exercise of each and
every Presidential power by certain unqualified individuals. /Actually/
(not simply presumptively or speculatively) being “a natural born
Citizen” is the condition precedent /sine qua non/ for avoiding this
prohibition. Therefore, anyone who claims eligibility for “the Office of
President” must, when credibly challenged, establish his qualifications
in this regard with sufficient evidence.If Obama turns out to be nothing
more than an usurper who has fraudulently seized control of the
Presidency, not only will the Constitution have been egregiously
flouted, but also this whole country could be, likely will be, destroyed
as a consequence. And if this country is even credibly threatened with
destruction, every American will be harmed.Obama’s every subsequent act in the usurped “Office of
President” will be a criminal offense under Title 18, United States
Code, Section 242Obama will not constitutionally be the “Commander in
Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of
the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United
States” (see Article II, Section 2, Clause 1). Therefore, he will be
entitled to no obedience whatsoever from anyone in those forces

Philip Berg who is suing Obama over his birth certificate also sued Bush/Cheney in 2004 over 911. He claimed Bush/Cheney created 911 so we can invade Iraq.

The case w/ Mr.Bush is also dismissed by the president and Philip Berg is still in opposition to want the court to over turn his case. Sound familiar Republicans?

Here's his website for the 911 stuff: http://www.911forthetruth.com/

It is really disturbing to read what appear to be the ravings of disturbed minds on this blog. I now understand what led to the disaster we've been put through over the past eight years. These are the kind of people that helped bring Bush to power. Thank God all indications are that McCain isn't going to win. Our country can't taken any more of this lunacy.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

The Rev 11/01 means that the document was updated and this is the current version (Revision) as of that date; in this case being November 2001, 11/01. So all jibber jabber about "1961" doesn't apply, because this is not the original 1961 document. Also, a notary has to notarize it in order to become "official" in the eyes of the law. There is also a signature to go along with it. The notary is always on the front face of the document, never the back. So, yes those are modern fonts because it was printed after 2001. Go forth and Google.

I too was born in Hawaii, Honolulu to be exact and this is not what their birth certificates look like. I have had to order additional copies of my birth certificate and it was an exact copy minus the notary stamp. There is much more information on it too, name of hosital, addresses of parents, DOB of parents and cities they were born in, names and signatures of Attendant or MD, and signature of Registrar. This is very questionable.

That's an interesting statement:

"Contacted Wednesday, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo cited Hawaii state privacy laws and guidance from the state attorney general in saying she was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.

But she said it appeared similar to other Hawaii birth certificates."

I would think that she could at least verify that a document bearing her signature was, in fact, issued by her office. Especially, given the claims that it is a purportedly fraudulent fabrication of an actual COLB.

I'm just sayin' that its weird.

First of all, neither I nor anyone I know has an "original" birth certificate in their possession.

If you go to a county courthouse or state vital stats office for a copy of your birth certificate, or one for your child, a notarized COPY, printed out at the time of your request, is normally what you get. You don't get the original. The copies are considered completely valid for obtaining passports, social security cards, school registration, etc.

The "certificate" parents take home from the hospital after they have a baby is merely a keepsake and is NOT the official birth certficiate filed with the state or county.

Also, according to the PoliFact website, birth certificates are NOT considered public records under Hawaii law. Only the person named on a birth certificate, or their immediate family, has a right to see or request a copy. So there is nothing sinister or conspiratorial about the Hawaii public health director saying she can't confirm anything about the Obama birth certificate. She is just following the law.

I am a Republican, by the way, and believe there are enough valid reasons not to vote for Obama that there's no need to waste time on bogus reasons like this.

If being born on US soil is the only thing that is required for being a natural-born citizen, as some posters imply, then both Sens. are in trouble. What is it about being born to a US citizen parent or parents qualifies one as a US citizen don't you understand? As one poster noted, could have been born at the N. Pole and still been a citizen. In addition, who appointed anyone on this blog that they should have anyone produce a legal document just because they want to see it? Isn't this information, pertaining to the medical fact of birth, covered by confidentiality laws? Does the fact that both of these men are running for office diminish their rights under the law? As noted, this is the form given as a legal document by the State of Hawaii, so who here who is not in a position of authority with the said State of Hawaii can challenge their documentation? Has every presidential candidate had their birth certificate scrutinized so? If not, why not? Why the fixation on Obama's, unless it's just to "put him in his place"? Don't see anyone going after McC in this way. If neither of them were citizens based on their birthplace, well, we've been paying their salaries as Senators for a while (in McC's case a looooong while) and the last I heard it was required that one be a citizen to be a Senator. With only days to go before the election, don't you have anything better to do, like look up the candidates' positions on the issues, before voting day? Some here had better take a shower before you go to vote, though, because the bull has been flying here. As for Berg, his case was dismissed. The end. He should be prosecuted for taking up the court's time and money with a frivolous suit.

Obama's birth certificate not stating a hospital does not mean that he is not american or it is not a real certificate of birth. I was born in NY. My original birth certificate had the hospital, time of birth, doctor's name ect. But when i requested a duplicate it looked very empty. Not detailed at all. It looks very much like Obama's except mine does not have the time of my birth. Maybe it depends on your parents or something (im seriously guessing here). My father is not American but my mother is and me and my neighbor ordered our birth certificates the same exact time, mine came back looking like Obama's and hers was very detailed.

If he wasn't hiding anything, why doesn't he just release the official birth certificate!? What was the REAL reasonhe went to Hawaii in the middle of a presidential election? Have we heard a single word about white grandma?

To the american people there are far too many things to worry about then the birth certicate of Mr.Obama he has shown his but we have still yet to see Mr.McCain's and what about his wife Cindy who he cheated on his wife for no one is talking about that so get over it and move on and VOTE that is what matters at this point we need a change.

I would rather have the evil we know rather than the evil we don’t know. Voting for change for the sake of change alone, is about as irresponsible and foolish as you can possibly be. The foolish, shortsighted, self-serving, and immature political policies of pelosi, ried, obama and dean will ruin America for 50-years – they will retaliate against America herself for the mistakes of America. Mark my words – YOU will pay them with your standard of living… and so will your children, presuming you actually care about your children’s futures.

This whole thing is such an outrageous event. Even if the facts are being suppressed or hidden or whatever, they can't be sat on forever. Somehow, someway, someday, it will all come out -- if there is anything to come out, that is.

Here's a thought experiment: Everyone knows where to look for what would finally clear it up -- a look at the original birth certificate, not a computer generated certification. There are those who are motivated to keep looking (forever, I suspect). What do you think will happen if it turns out he is not a US citizen? I know, it sounds crazy! How do you think such audacity would be perceived then? The consequences of such a thing are enough motive for asking for disclosure of the original, in the interests of all Americans. The consequences of that might be worth a little paranoia. Trust me only works so far. The potential damage to the election system (loss of confidence in) justifies some prudence here.

what person born in hawaii would have hussain for name any way hmm lets see not

That's not a Birth Certificate. That's a Certificate of Live Birth. A child born outside of the USA and brought to America can get one of those. This proves nothing.

What got me reading this document was a caucasian woman and African man who must had had a very difficult time being in a relationship in 1961 America have produced such an amazing well balanced human being.
I wish the USA well under his presidency.

There are so many americans who ARE going to vote for Obama and the sad thing is.. We all will suffer for it. I am convinced and have felt this way for a long time now.. that if he wins... The United States of America will cease to exist as we know it.. He talks about change... I hope all that voted for him is READY for the CHANGE that's going to come with his presidency... BUT it's not going to be the change they think it will be... Revelations explains it all.. check it out..

i have a BAD feeling about this.
he is now president and i still don't think this is real. You would think it would have at least finger prints/foot prints/ actual signatures/ the hospital name etc. This LOOKS PHOTOSHOPPED!
obama is from kenya.
his grandmother said so in an interview in kenya.
obama is a liar and now he is president! AHH!!!!!!!

Look at the 1961 -- Zoom in and it looks more like 1951 BIG TIME.
PLUS -- I swear it says
"(rev. 11/01) LASER" << in the bottom left corner! what the hell is that?

AND What is the purpose of blacking out the cert. #number. Is that any more "secret" than all the personal information? I would think the cert# Number Would BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART TO AUTHENTICATE!

I questioned the birth certificate as well. I have 3 children born in different states and each one looks a little different; but, one thing that they had in common was both parents names, the doctor's signature who delivered the baby and a seal near the doctor's signature making it official. I didn't see that on the one for Obama's. And, I agree about why doesn't he just provide a certified copy of his birth certificate to eliminate all rumors and accusations. To me it seems like all documents pertaining to any claims of citizenship should be one of the primary documents required to submit prior to being allowed to run for the highest seat in the United State's (Presidency). Though I'm neither Republic or Democrate I believe when a person runs for any office and if there are any simple (like birth location) are in question, just simply provided the proof and allow the process to proceed onward without any doubts looming over ones head, which would also calm the retoric and gossip. To me this is a HUGE issue. Just my thought for what it's worth.

This obviously does not help advance the location of Obama's birth. Whether you support him or not, there should be certain items that are mandatory to produce prior to running for the presidency. A birth certificate is one. An election committee should review based on standards. We only have 50 states. It would take all of a week to develop those standards. This is plain silly. He should authorize the release of all records, and then champion the effort to produce standards so noone else has to go through this nonsense in the future.

Many things look funny about this BC ... The font - wasn't Times Roman pretty much the only font used on typewriters in 1961? The letter spacing and PERFECT height/allignment - were typewriters in 1961 that perfect? The races of his parents listed as "Caucasian" and African" - I would think "White" and Black" or "Negro" would have been the terms used in 1961 ... Easy to independently verify ALL these ... just have a black person born in Hawaii on or around 8-8-1961 produce their Hawaiian BC - since The 0bamessiah deems himself above Constitutional verification. Maybe even someone that calls himself a "reporter" could make 2 or 3 phone calls to someone born in Hawaii in 1961 to get a copy of that person's 1961 Hawaii BC and end this ... or The 0bamessiah could just sign for the release of the original BC to a pool of reporters ...
Something just smells here ...

Mr. Obama could sign a release and pay $12.00 and receive a Certificate of Live Birth, as opposed to the Certification of Live Birth that is being shopped around on the Internet. Or, if a foreign birth certificate is the vault version they could produce that but only if Mr. Obama signs a release.

To this date Mr. Obama has refused to produce the Certificate of Live Birth, or the vault birth certificate that the State of Hawaii has announced that it is holding sealed under Hawaiian law. Who can authorize it to be released? Mr. Obama and a check for $12.00. One has to question why Mr. Obama would risk a Constitutional crisis over $12.00?

Hmmm?
I guess MY Race is "North American" then!???

PRESIDENT-ELECT OBAMA: PLEASE RELEASE YOUR BIRTH RECORDS

I know you are busy setting up your new administration as the President elect of the greatest country in the world, but there are a couple of things about your background and qualifications for the office that concern me and many of my fellow Americans. Never before has a Presidential candidate failed to fully disclose routine information about their background.It seems that many records concerning your background have either been sealed or are temporarily unavailable for review. I know that any honest person like yourself, who is about to assume the highest office in the land, would never overtly want to keep such information from public review.

Here's a partial list:

1. College records from Occidental College, Columbia University and Harvard -- Not available and secured by college administrators.
2. Columbia Thesis paper -- not available, secured by college administrators
3. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate - Not released (sealed?)
4. Certified Copy of Certification of Live Birth -- Not released (sealed?)

I believe items #3 and 4 are the most critical and they concern two issues that are very important to the American people:

1. Are Are you a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.? and
2. Are you legally qualified to hold the Office of President?

There have been several lawsuits filed, or currently being filed, in 7 or 8 states with various state Boards of Elections, claiming you are ineligible to be on their ballots because you have not produced proof that you are a natural born citizen of the United States.As you may recall, there was a Cetificate of Live Birth (COLB) for you posted on your campaign website in the past that was reported as an original, but which was later found to be only an abstract of a computer record having no connection to the original 1961 COLB document. The abstract copy was later taken down.

In an election of a President, where being a "Natural Born Citizen" is a requirement for the position, I believe that the American people have a right to know if you are a natural born citizen.What does the actual original document say about the birth? What hospital were you born in? Who was the attending physician? What was the date and time? What names are listed on the COLB? I think the question of your birth is a very important constitutional issue and the issue should be publicly put to rest one way or the other.

Mr Obama, it seems that you are creating needless confusion when you could easily avoid all of this doubt simply by asking for release of your original 1961 document and let it be examined. Why haven't you done this? and why have you fought against every attempt to produce the document?Mr. Obama, if you are truly and honorable man and a "Natural Born Citizen of the United States" you can clear up this issue very quickly. Just sign a release to have the full document examined and made available for public scrutiny.

Your continued avoidance of the issue and your subsequent failure to provide proof that you are a "Natural Born Citizen of the United States" is very suspicious and raises a very important constitutional issue that must be addressed before you take office. I am asking you to stop using legal technicalities, record sealing and courtroom maneuvers to avoid the issue. The American people have every constitutional right to know whether or not you are a "Natural Born Citizen" and they will eventually find out.

Let's put this issue to rest once and for all so you can get on with the nation's business.

John Wallace
www.NYCampaignforLiberty.com

OK, I've not read EVERY comment, so this may have been covered before.

1. When you request a birth certificate, the registrar does not hunt down and copy the original document. Rather, a fresh one is printed. That's why the form date is from 2001.

2. So, all the posted document proves is that someone in the Hawaii state offices instructed the computer to print it. The font spacing, everything else, resulted from the computerized printout of data that was, at that time, in the print request. It could have come from files created from the data in the actual certificate, from a keyboard, from anywhere. It proves nothing.

3. So, to really lay the matter to rest, Obama needs to authorize the State of Hawaii to release a true, certified PHOTOCOPY of the entire -- unedited -- original vault certificate. Not a cerification that it exists. A paper-to-paper copy of the original. All of it. Front and back.

4. That he won't do so is troubling, to put it mildly.

I hope the Supreme Court orders that that document be produced.

Obama is 1/16 african american 8/16 white and 7/16 arabic (Obama mom is white and his dad is 7/8 arabic and 1/8 black) so obama is not Official black (need to be 1/8 or higher (Ex: 3/8, 1/4) to be consider black (But Obama looks black so every one say's hes black, but realy we have an arabic/white president elect not a black president elect)

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.

Barack’s sister was born in Indonesia, and has a COLB from Hawaii like Obama II. She is NOT a “Natural Born Citizen” of the USA as required by the Constitution to become president…and Obama probably isn’t either.

I Guess it didn'd make any deference for the American People!

Much time has pased since the last post and nothing has changed other than over 50 Lawsuits about this. What is so strange is nobody has the job of checking and now there is talk about making a law that people are checked before they can run. Until he shows the real thing he is not my President. It is so simple to do and he pays lawyers so that he does not have to show it. If anybody thinks he has it they may want to talk to me about a bridge in Brooklyn i have for sale.