Should Obama's grandma's vote count?: The Swamp
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Chicago Tribune
Posted November 4, 2008 6:32 PM
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by Frank James

When should a dead voter's vote count and when shouldn't it? The question arises because of the news today that the absentee vote cast by Sen. Barack Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, will be counted in Hawaii.

The reflexive answer is that it should never count. How can someone who's no longer among the living have a vote that counts like a living voter's? That would seem to be a violation of the constitutional requirement of one person, one vote.

But Slate's Trailhead blog explains why a vote by Obama's deceased grandmother will be counted:

So why was Dunham's vote allowed to count? Hawaii Chief Elections Officer Kevin Cronin tells Trailhead that, when an absentee voter dies, the ballot is not removed until Hawaii's Department of Health issues an official list of the names of deceased persons to the city clerk's office, which will not happen until later this month. Unlike Steen, who passed away several weeks prior to the election, the two-day turnaround in Dunham's case creates "a practical administrative problem," Cronin says, in fishing out her ballot out from among the tens of thousands of absentee ballots in Honolulu--even if her death had been officially reported by the Department of Health.

Robert Ichikawa, an attorney at the Honolulu firm Kobayashi, Sugita, and Goda, says the decision comes down to how one interprets the phrase "sufficient proof" in the law, saying the use of an official health department report is reasonable if applied consistently.

Even if Hawaii's four electoral votes were decided by one person's ballot, a challenge over Obama's grandmother could not throw the election. The law specifically states that "[t]he casting of any such ballot shall not invalidate the election."

As Slate also reports, there was another well-known dead-voter situation during the Democratic primaries:

A similar case cropped up during the Democratic primary, when a South Dakota woman named Florence Steen voted by absentee ballot for Hillary Clinton but passed away prior to the state's June 3 primary. (Clinton thanked Steen by name during a victory speech in West Virginia.) As Slate reported in a May 14 "Explainer," Steen's vote was not counted; South Dakota law allows for the fairly quick and efficient removal of such ballots. States vary on how they handle this situation.

With all respect to Obama and his grandmother, who sounds like a remarkable woman, it just doesn't seem fair that a dead voter's ballot should count thus neutralizing a living voter's ballot.

As such a huge influence in Obama's life, she already did her part. And she evidently did it wonderfully.

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And it's more than her VOTE Repugs need to worry about. I like to picture Toots circling the globe on one celebratory lap, focusing her energy on thwarting those who would deny us our right to vote.
Beware evildoers, wherever you are!


Hmm. If your not here to experience the aftermath of the election then should the vote count? This radio show is about what is truly at stake in this election, and what we are TRULY voting for. This election can change the mindset of the entire country and could have an effect for years to come. Most people don't think of it in this way. It's very surprising. And either way you decide, you will at least be aware and understand the unspoken implications. If you like what you hear, please pass the link on to others who you may think might like it.

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So, as an analogy: If I am in a duel with you and we both shoot and kill each other, and one of us dies first (I assume this will happen) did the one who died first (before their victim died) kill the other?


petty issues like these are why McCain lost.


Yes. His grandmas vote counted. I and my daughter, both citizens and female weren't allowed to vote, so I prayed. Thank God.


The poor lady did not have a choice if she died the day before or the day after the election. All that matters is a citizen legally cast her ballot.


Good grief! Count the dear woman's vote.


can someone call Hawaii and get them to send "Toots" ballot to Barack so he can have it.i think it would be comforting to him since she missed the historic moment


Would anyone else's vote count if they died after having voted, but before the votes were counted? (I'm asking earnestly here -- never had occasion to think about this before.) Would it be any more fair for her vote NOT to be counted (since she doesn't have to deal with the outcome) than it is for someone who became of-age just a matter of days after the election, who couldn't vote legally but had to still abide by the decision? If it was me making a decree, I'd go with "her vote counts."


Should a dead person vote count.

Every person that voted absentee ballot should count as long as the ballot was mailed before the deadline.

All dead persons ballot should count. She was not the only person that died before election day and had already voted absentee?


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