Conservatives, cock your guns?

We know you don't like gun rights, Frank. But the only thing you've done is toss red meat for a feeding frenzy by the pseudo-liberals who exalt their ideology over the plain language of the Constitution. Those who cherish all of the rights and limits enforced by the Constitution do, in fact, have plenty to worry about from this Congress.

What would we do without Wingnuts and their delusions about people wanting to take away their squirrel hunting shotguns etc etc etc...?

We wouldn't have anything to laugh at and neither would the NRA.

Their guns are pe#is replacements. Remembers boys, after four hours consult your doctor.

JW,
But Wayne wasn't throwing red meat?

"That buddy gets an "F" for gun safety."......not really! This is when you all set to FIRE or is that what is meant by "F"?

I think it terrible what the liberals are doing to our guns. I think back to fond memories of walking through the woods with my father hunting rabbit with our AKs. There is nothing better to bond over than a few thousand rounds per second.

John W., Good ol C. Morris has you pegged to the wall buddy. I would also think you to be smarter than to step into this pile of poo laid out by the pugs. I am a proud gun owning dem and I have no fear that that dems are trying to take people's guns away. They never will. But it sure is a great way to keep the hillbillies, like Bill-ybob here, suckered into their party. Too bad Bill-ybob hasn't figured out the pugs have supressed his wages all these years.

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Posted by: C.Morris✈ | February 27, 2009 4:46 PM
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Where was Wayne LaPierre throwing red meat? Show me where in the article it says what he was saying was false. The Obama administration is anti-gun. The appointment of Eric Holder, our current Attorney General, could have done nothing but signal the Obama administration’s contempt for the rights of gun owners.
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Holder is on record as being in favor of federal licensing of handgun owners, a three-day waiting period on handgun sales, rationing handgun sales to no more than one per month, banning possession of handguns and so-called “assault weapons” by anyone under age 21, a gun show restriction bill that would have given the federal government the power to shut down all gun shows, and national gun registration. He has also advocated requiring all prospective gun buyers be checked against several secret “watch lists” compiled by a number of various government entities; entities which are known for erroneously including harmless innocent people for oppressive governmental surveillance. (Or have we so quickly forgotten all the mistakes and B.S. with the watch lists used to exclude people from aircraft?) Holder also signed an amicus brief in support of the District of Columbia’s ban on all handguns and on the use of any firearm for self-defense in the home. Obama, himself, has shown absolutely zero restraint in dealing with gun control issues while serving as State Senator in the Illinois Legislature. For you or anyone else to tell me this crew isn’t anti-gun is a lot of hogwash.

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Posted by: Xcellentform | February 27, 2009 6:13 PM
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With that kind of nonsense, good ‘ol C. Morris couldn’t peg his own pants shut, much less me to the wall …… Buddy. Read my response to C. Morris before you rush to judgment again.

The dumber they are, the more guns they own. Maybe it's the gun powder?

XL,
Thanks for the shout out. Yeah, I am a gun owning liberal myself. And I actually qualified on the M14 and M16 way back in the day.

Here's a song for our mutual friend to enjoy;

J.Lennon

She's not a girl who misses much
Do do do do do do- oh yeah
She's well acquainted with the touch of the velvet hand
Like a lizard on a window pane
(The lizard is JW)

The man in the crowd with the multicoloured mirrors
On his hobnail boots
Lying with his eyes while his hands are busy
Working overtime
A soap impression of his wife which he ate
And donated to the National Trust
(This would be John D)

I need a fix 'cause I'm going down
Down to the bits that I left uptown
I need a fix cause I'm going down
Mother Superior jump the gun
Mother Superior jump the gun
Mother Superior jump the gun
Mother Superior jump the gun
Mother Superior jump the gun
Mother Superior jump the gun
(Terry?)

Happiness is a warm gun
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
Happiness is a warm gun, momma
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
When I hold you in my arms
(Ooooooooohhh, oh yeah!)
And when I feel my finger on your trigger
I know nobody can do me no harm
Because happiness is a warm gun, momma
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
Happiness is a warm gun
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
-Yes it is, it's a warm gun!
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
Happiness is a warm, yes it is...
GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
Well don't ya know that happiness is a warm gun, momma?
(Bang Bang Shoot Shoot)
Yeeeaahhh!

#1, John W, Holder isn't in Congress, he doesn't legislate, nor does Obama
#2, John W. those statements were made before the Supreme Court decision last year, and Obama has said he agrees with that decision.

But look out John W...lock the doors because we're coming after your guns; and we're going to get the Fairness Doctrine in there too so you can't listen to your favorite wingnut radio shows.

Paranoia reigns, dingbat. Yes, we want your guns.

bill r., cyclic rate of an AK-47 is 600 rounds per minute, or 10 per second. It's more effective, though less spectacular, to fire 3-round bursts, though.

Swamp;
Submitted for your apprval.

J.W.,
Red meat? False? Show us where Frank was lying? Where was Morris lying. Where was Xcell lying?
You are lying!

I think Bill R knows all about AK.

BTW, the AK-47 would fire M-16 (.223) rounds without a problem, but the reverse would not work. One more advantage to the AK-47.

BTW, and Bill R will verify this I think, the first issue of the M-16 in Vietnam may have gotten over 2000 Americans killed. Thousands refused to give up their M-14s. Of course it's all hush hush, on the down low, and long ago so those lives can be safely forgotten I guess.

Hey John W, where you goin' with that gun in your hand
Hey John W, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand

I'm going down to shoot my old lady
You know, I've caught her messin' around with another man
I'm going down to shoot my old lady
You know, I've caught her messin' around with another man
And that ain't too cool

Hey John W, I heard you shot your woman down,
shot her down, now
I said I've heard you shot your old lady down,
You shot her down to the ground

Yes I did, I shot her
You know, I caught her messin' round, messin' round town
Yes I did, I shot her
You know, I caught my old lady messin' around town
And I gave her the gun
I SHOT HER!

Hey John W, alright
Shoot her one more time, baby

Hey John W, said now
Where you gonna run to now?
Where you gonna run to?
Hey John W, I said where you gonna run to now?
Where you, where you gonna go?
Well, dig it

I'm goin' way down south,
Way down to Mexico way
Alright!
I'm goin' way down south,
Way down where I can be free
Ain't no one gonna find me

Ain't no hangman gonna,
He ain't gonna put a rope around me
You better believe it right now
I gotta go now
Hey John W, you better run on down
Good by everybody
Hey John W, uhh
Run on down

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Posted by: Flo | February 27, 2009 9:54 PM
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1. You’re right, Flo, Holder isn’t in Congress. He just happens to be the chief federal law enforcement officer. In which case, one can still expect his viewpoint to be reflected in federal regulations and the operation of the FBI and BATF. That isn’t two pounds of nothing. In addition, as Attorney General, Holder is also largely responsible for suggesting legislative reform to the White House for proposals to Congress. In short, he has a lot of influence on policy and proposed legislation. Obama’s choice of Holder as Attorney General, with knowledge of Holder’s views on gun control, couldn’t have sent a clearer message on the subject.
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2. You are terribly naïve if you think Holder has changed his spots on gun control just because he became Attorney General. You are even more terribly naïve if you think Obama has changed his views either just because of the Heller decision. I mean, he appointed Holder, didn’t he? Besides, I have yet to hear Obama decry the re-enactment of the D.C. ban in words almost identical to those struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Heller decision. If he’s so darn supportive of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, why hasn’t he? Nor have I heard Obama pledge to veto his buddy Bobby Rush’s new piece of legislation, known as H.R. 45: “The Blair Hold’s Firearm and Record of Sale Act of 2009,” which threatens to strictly limit and control the rights of citizens to Keep and Bear Arms.
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3. BTW - I’m neither a wingnut nor the uneducated Rube you would like to portray me as, and I don’t listen to talk radio. So you can take your reductio ad absurdum argument and stuff it. Okay?

Johnny Wonka, once again, nothing you said makes any sense. First off, how could I re-read your response when you hadn't posted it yet? Even after reading your drivel for the first time, it still does not best C Morris's point. I can see why you are the lawyer that has so many hours to spend here. In fact, your posts here give great inspiration to all the stupid people out there (even Bill-ybob), that even they can become a lawyer some day. You've made some real nuckledragger posts about social topics on this site. You best just stick to the legal ones where you stand a debating chance.

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Posted by: RodSerling | February 27, 2009 10:08 PM
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Rod,
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Shred your high school diploma and sue the school district from which you got it. You have to know that all your education has been a total failure and waste of time if you could read any of my posts and come away with the idea that I called Frank James or anyone else a liar. Heck, you’re almost as bad as that waste of gravity known around these parts as John E in getting stuff wrong and having nothing valuable to say.
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“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”
- Albert Einstein

John W, unlike some members of the Bush Admin. I believe Holder and Obama respect the Constitution (plain language or whatever) and aren't out to somehow avoid complying with Supreme Court decisions. They also have higher priorities right now than assuring you of what they aren't planning to do. I didn't say you're uneducated, John W., just paranoid and misguided.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state......."

Couldn't be mo' plainer language than that.

So this guy walks into a brain store to buy some brains. He asks the butcher how much it costs for an engineers brain.

"Three dollars an ounce"

Then he asks how much for a doctor's brain

"Five dollars an ounce"

Then he asks how much for a lawyers brain.

"$1,000 an ounce"

He asks the butcher why the lawyer's brain costs so much.

"Do you know how many lawyers we had to kill to get an ounce of brain?"

I've been demoralized too many times
But now I realize, ah ah, no more
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun

I know my destiny is like the sun
You see the best of me when I have got my gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun

So you think you can push me around
And make me run
Well I'm gonna tell you now
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run
Cuz Im gonna get me a gun

Gonna get me a gun....

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Posted by: Xcellentform | February 27, 2009 11:22 PM
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I didn’t ask you to re-read anything. I asked you to read my reply to C. Morris before you spouted off again in the future. I think I know I couldn’t stop you from stepping on your tongue before that. Now I see I couldn’t stop you anyway. Furthermore, I at least know the difference between a social issue and a legal one, whereas you seem to forgotten the difference. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a LEGAL issue because it protected by the Second Amendment. What “social” issue do you think I had in mind?
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The meaning of the rest of Xcellentform’s post (for the uninitiated): Bark! Bark! Bark-Bark! Grrrrrrr. (snarl). Bark! Bark-Bark-Bark!

"plain language of the Constitution. "
Posted by: John W. | February 27, 2009 3:45 PM

I don't think it is all that "plain". It was written 230 years ago, and the language could use some examining.

The first part "well regulated militia" refers to "minutemen" and the necessity to have a gun ready against an invading army. But this was only because our young nation did not have a fully organized standing army yet.

The 2nd part "rights to bear arms shall not be infringed", would be speaking to the individual rights that our current day debate is about.

Why not modernize the "language". I mean, we don't talk like Shakespeare anymore, do we?

I'm sure you would not want everybody to just have guns "willy nilly", with no regulations in place to at least 1) incovenience the criminals (like background checks at gun shows). I would actually agree that several days to wait to get a gun would seem absurd. Certainly technology should allow a system to check for a criminal record in just a few minutes. But I can't see why organizers of a gun-show would be against it. Certainly they would not want to see their guns fall into the wrong hands. 2) reasonable safety measures like child safety-locks, which would be about the same as wearing a seat-belt in a car.

I am not a gun owner, it is against my principles. But I certainly do not want laws that stand in the way of others living with their principles. I hope both sides in congress can have honest discourse about how best to have reasonable regulations, without infringing on gun-owners rights. That is what we should try to accomplish, isn't it?

*****
Posted by: Flo | February 28, 2009 8:22 AM
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Flo,
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Governments are not to be trusted with the rights of citizens, regardless of which party is in power. The founding fathers mistrusted government because they understood that the greatest violations of basic human and civil rights came at the hands of those with high-minded and benevolent ideals rather than monsters. That’s why they diffused powers in the government to make governing hard. They also understood that tyranny doesn’t come in leaps and bounds, but most often in baby steps. My own experiences interacting with the government have shown me that those in government always attempt to take the most direct path toward attaining their goals, and that they don’t care if that path conflicts with the rights of citizens.
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I have never had faith that any administration would strictly adhere to the Constitution when it conflicted with its own ideals. History has proven my skepticism top be valid, with the Clinton and Bush administrations being only the most recent examples. Governments always have fallible people who believe they can improve on the Constitution; in which case they consider violating the Constitution to be no great wrong. That’s why I have no faith that anyone in the Obama administration, including Obama himself, will adhere to the Constitution when it gets in the way of their ideology. The Democratic Party’s principles, to which he faithfully adheres, has too many ideas at odds with the Constitution. That is neither paranoia nor the result of being misguided. It’s just the truth.
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“I own I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive. It places the governors indeed more at their ease, at the expense of the people.”
- Thomas Jefferson, 1787.

John W got a gun
John W got a gun
His whole world's come undone
From lookin' straight at the sun
What did his daddy do
What did he a put you through

They say when John W was arrested
They found him underneath the train
But man he had it comin'
Now that John W got a gun
He ain't never gonna be the same

John W got a gun
John W got a gun
His dog day's just begun
Now everybody is on the run
Tell me now it's untrue
What did his daddy do

He jacked the little bitty baby
The man has got to be insane... yeah
They say the spell that he was under
The lightnin' and the thunder
Knew that someone had to stop the pain

Run away run away from the pain
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away run away from the pain
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away run away run run away... wooh

John W got a gun
John W got a gun
His dog day's just begun
Now everybody is on the run
What did his daddy do
It's John W's last I.O.U.

He had to take him down easy
And put a bullet in his brain
He said 'cause nobody believes me
The man was such a sleaze
He ain't never gonna be the same

Run away run away from the pain
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away run away from the pain
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away run away run run away

John W got a gun
John W got a gun
John W got a gun

Flo,Governments are not to be trusted with the rights of citizens, regardless of which party is in power. The founding fathers mistrusted government because they understood that the greatest violations of basic human and civil rights came at the hands of those with high-minded and benevolent ideals rather than monsters
Posted by: John W. | February 28, 2009 2:16 PM
..............

Yeah, that's why I always say that we should sell off our human and civil rights to the highest bidder, like say, to Halliburton or the NRA.
We can't trust govt but we sure as heck can trust those guys....wink wink

JW.
How does it feel to be DP'd in public?

Wayne's World:

20 year old kills 3 boys under 15 with assault rifle near middle school.

Not too far from Obama's house.

Wayne, how much longer do you think the President is going to let that go on?

Anyway, you were outdone by Rush Limboff.

Someone should tell him , however, about his wardrobe malfunction:

The black shirt went out of style after they strung up Mussolini on a meat hook at the end of WW II.

Come to think, Rush, you kind of look like El Duce.

To: Frank James,
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Don't you ever police disgusting verbal abuse on the blog? Did you see the post by TheReamer (at February 28, 2009 9:06 PM) where he suggested that I had been "DP'd in public?" I don't suppose you are naive or ignorant enough not to know that "DP'd" refers to being "Double Penetrated," i.e. being sexually penetrated in two orifices. That comment is not only offensive; it is out of all reasonable bounds of decency. If you can't see fit to remove "obscene" and "over-the-top personal attacks" like this one (like the Swamp has promised wouldn't get posted), I will retaliate in kind next time in response to the sicko who wrote it.

The folks at the gathering you reference were intelligent enough to understand what a metaphorical statement is -- maybe it's time you hit the school books to learn that?

You get a "F" for failing to understand.