Catholics and others: Aligned on abortion

I think Notre Dame gains more from the Obama visit than he gains from speaking at Notre Dame. Maybe he should withdraw citing potential confrontation that might detract from the joy of the graduation ceremony. Don't forget - they invited him, he didn't request the gig.

Maybe the local bishop could present an address esplaining why they believe they have the moral or any other standing to dictate morality or ethics to the nation. Considering the sordid history of the Catholic church, the logic would have to be tortured within an inch of its life.

You've gotta love these nutty catholic bishops, they're whining about abortion and stem cell research and yet they think molesting young boys is a no big deal.

Hey Right-Wing Religious Nuts! STAY OUT OF OUR BEDROOMS AND QUIT TELLING WOMAN WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES!!!

The radical right-wing religious nuts went to the Republican Party and said, We can work together. You guys can have political power whilst we have the power of the Dark Ages; do we have a deal? The Republican Party said, Deal! But with this deal and with this mixing of politics and religion, a new beast has emerged; a beast that is neither religion nor politics but a repulsive combination of the two. The beast hides behind a curtain and dangles puppets like Barbie Palin and Piyush Jindal on strings.

The right-wing lunatic fringe is just as dangerous when they're out of power (Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Tennessee church shooter) as they are when they're in power (Iraq, war cimes, torture, outing CIA agents).
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Abortion foes have got to go. Their ancient and misogynistic ways are holding society back.

Kenneth K. wrote " QUIT TELLING WOMAN WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO WITH THEIR OWN BODIES!!!"

What a woman chooses to do with her own body is her own business. However, the body she carries within her womb is NOT hers. ABORTION IS MURDER.

The average American Catholics' views fall more in line with the Episcopal Church than the Roman Catholic Church. Most are just too afraid to make the move to a church that believes what they believe.

This article tends to obfuscate the issue at hand, Obama's past support in particular of infanticide, the killing of babies born and outside the birth canal, sometimes called partial birth abortion, an incredibly gruesome procedure. Further, there's the question of ND awarding an honorary degree to Obama and for what? Other than being a politician, what has he ever achieved? It's certainly not for his handling of the U.S. presidency for his 69 days in office are marked by failure and fumbling.

The article presupposes that what people think is more important than what God thinks. Also, I've met very few Catholics who inderstand Catholic theology. They either don't go to church, or they don't listen when they do.

To Kenneth and all other non believers, there is a Creator, and he created all human beings in his likeness. Please get a clue Abortion is the taking of an innocent life, a life God and most people believe should have the right to life. MILLIONS of lives have been taken because of irresponsible men and women. They my do what they want with the pretense that its their body, but that same body is going to have to answer to a higher being.

Danberry:

Did you ever consider the prospect that women who have "partial birth" abortions are in a truly tragic spot? I'll spell it out for you: THEY OBVIOUSLY WANTED TO CARRY THE BABY TO TERM BUT COULD NOT DO SO FOR HEALTH REASONS! These are not "birth control" abortions. These women knew long before that they were pregnant.

Not only are these women killing babies they really wanted, but they have to suffer the stigma of haters like you whose only "compassion" comes in selected doses from a book of fables called the Bible.

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As for Kevin: your position would be somewhat less absurd if you had the capacity to bear a child. That said, you're quite a good typist for someone born without a functioning brain.

What a woman chooses to do with her own body is her own business. However, the body she carries within her womb is NOT hers. ABORTION IS MURDER.

Posted by: Kevin | March 30, 2009 3:39 PM
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It's not any of you right-wing psychopaths business to tell women what they can and cannot do...period, Kev Kev!

PS - the death penalty is also MURDER and yet you rightwing religious freaks don't seem to have a problem with that. If you don't like abortion that's fine, don't have one, BUT DON"T GO AROUND TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES!

Where were these right-wing morons, during Bush's Bloodbath in Baghdad ?!
I don't think their God supports the killing and maiming of innocent men, women and children, either in Gaza or Baghdad !!

That's another issue, though, right !!?

More of the crazy from the American Taliban....

Shouldn't this catholic bishop be using all the resources and money that his protest will cost to save the babies he's supposedly so worried about. I think that would be a more Christian use of his time and money.

Oops..but then he wouldn't have his 15 minutes of fame....my bad.

Of course the Catholic church is in trouble. Nancy Pelosi sure set the pope in his place. I laughed my a$$ off at that. All they do is set around and count their beads all day. Then get up and preach "Do as I say, not as I do". The Catholics have become fagots. Aren't the priest famously noted for playing with little boys ? Then these bigoted morons don't even want our president to speak. For G*** sake just how D*** hypocritical can they get ? I for the life of me cannot figure out why President Obama would even stoop so low as to want to go there anyway.

Funny, I seem to remember Pope John Paul II explaining to Bush that an invasion of Iraq didn't qualify under "just war" doctrine because it was preemptive, and therefore illegal and immoral....

So it seems to me, anyone who supported the war in Iraq (radical rightwing religious nuts stand up and take a bow) in direct defiance of the Pope, someone like, say, John McCain or George Bush, would similarly be barred from speaking at Notre Dame....except that Bush DID speak there!

You know, that sanctity of life thing...it's not Notre Dame, it's not even most Catholics. It is a handful of wingnuts that spoil the bunch. Newt Gingrich, who isn't even Catholic yet, has no place telling Notre Dame anything. He is the last person to argue morality.

The IRS really needs to step up its enforcement againstnthese political nuts who are hiding behind their religion. I understand that revocation is too harsh a measure in many cases, but the 10% excise tax should be applied automatically in these cases. I'd love to see a law requiring the IRS to f-ing levy that tax when there's substantial grounds to think political activity has occurred. That would force the IRS to levy the tax and let the church sue to get it back if it wants.

I am not anti Catholic, but I am becoming more and more agitated at what I see as the intervention of the Catholic church in the governing of the United States.

From Priests and Bishops counseling their parishoners how to vote, and to vote against President Obama, to the Catholic church helping to bankroll the vote against prop 8 in CA. Since I am not Catholic, I do not think that priests and bishops or the Pope should be determining how my government interacts with me.

For the record, I have the same problem with the religious right and the Mormon church.

If these Catholic bishops continue to push their "celibate" noses into personal morality, they're just going to keep hemorrhaging more followers. Looking to Catholic priests for leadership on sexuality and marital issues has always struck me as being akin to taking your car to a mechanic who doesn't even have a driver's license.

Show of hands -- all of you who are against abortion -- how many American babies (or older children) have you adopted? How many of you have gone up to a woman contemplating an abortion, offered to pay all her medical bills during the pregnancy and then promise to adopt the baby when it is born? Anyone? Anyone?

Kenny,
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Obviously you beleive a woman has the right to have an abortion.
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If it is a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, are you down at your local jail bailing out drug addicted prostitutes?
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If it is a woman's choice on the fate of the fetus, why does a man have to pay child support?
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If a fetus is not an unborn child, why can someone that murders a pregnant woman be charged with two counts of murder?
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If a fetus is just a bunch of cells, why can a pregnant woman be arrested for drinking too much?
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Didn't even mention that liberal four-letter word "God"

"The article presupposes that what people think is more important than what God thinks. Also, I've met very few Catholics who inderstand Catholic theology. They either don't go to church, or they don't listen when they do.
Posted by: Bob | March 30, 2009 3:55 PM"

What 'people think' IS more important than what God thinks.

And who can blame them for not listening to that tripe?

Just recently one of the Popes apologized,,,,, for the Inquisition and the persecution of Galileo!

Kenny,Obviously you beleive a woman has the right to have an abortion.If it is a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, are you down at your local jail bailing out drug addicted prostitutes?
Posted by: Terry | March 30, 2009 7:41 PM

Terri,
Are you down at the local hospital every night offering to adopt babies from mothers who can't afford them?

Trickledown, the right-wing talking points that you use on here nightly quit being relevant in about 1980, you rock head....

You,
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I'm not the one committing the irresponsible act.
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None the less, YOU can't argue those points

You know what, I'm all for abortion considering the only people having them are left-wing nuts. That means less left-wing nuts in the world so hurrah!

If you want to have an abortion, fine, but I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! You choose to have it, fine. Pay for it out of your own damn pockets! That is a personal choice. So YOU pay for it YOURSELF! That should not be shouldered by taxpayers.

I'm not the one committing the irresponsible act.
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None the less, YOU can't argue those points

Posted by: Terry | March 30, 2009 10:13 PM

Wow, what Christian Compassion. Suffer Child, because your parents were irresponsible. Not my problem.

Terry, I think you're going to be quite suprised when it comes time for your judgement by the Lord. When he asks you, "What have you done for the least of my brothers", I don't think the response "Nothing, Lord, their parents were irresponsible." is going to cut it.

Look to your own shortcomings before you lecture others on their own. They will know you are a Christian by your love and compassion, not by your indifference and self-rightousness.

"You know what, I'm all for abortion considering the only people having them are left-wing nuts. That means less left-wing nuts in the world so hurrah!"

You actually believe that to be true?
That's one of the stupidest statements I have ever read.
Lot's of people that have had abortions are not liberals, or even Democrats. It's a statistical impossibility to be otherwise; Absurd on the face of it.

I was shocked that the beautiful St. John Cantius church has to be closed.

But perhaps this is a sign that the rank & file Catholics are abandoning the Church and leaving it to the Kevins and Pauls of the world.

They are taking over the Church the way they took over the Republican Pty., and the result will probably be the same.

ornery,
You have hit the nail on the head.
Catholics of good sense and sound mind need to leave the Catholic Church as it stands today, and form their own, modern, reformed church.

Gabe, I'm not going to presume that I know how I will be judged by the Almighty when the time comes, but I'll take odds that he'll be on the side of the person that stands for the million children that never have a chance to escape the womb.

Posted by: Terry | March 31, 2009 9:25 PM

But will he be on the side of the self rightous man who care nothing for those children who have already been born? Will he be merciful to one who is so quick to judge others? That's what you should be asking yourself as well.

Gabey,
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It seems you are doing a bit of quick judging yourself.
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Just because I do not want to burden children with gov't programs does not translate into not caring.
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I want a child to have a choice in education - in order to better themselves.
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I want that child's parents to have a lower tax burden, so that the child has a better chance of reaching their potential.
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I anm not in favor of BO's big gov't, that will saddle these children, when they become adults, with an over-bearing tax system that will limit their opportunities.
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The problem Gabey, is that you equate gov't programs with caring, when the exact oposite is true.

Terry, big government has nothing to do with this. Bill asked you what YOU have done for children born to parents who couldn't afford them. Government programs were never mentioned. In response, you judged the parents, showing not a shred of basic compassion for the child. Now you turn the discussion into a partisan political rant. Are you incapable of considering the needs of the child ourtside that context?

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Gabey,
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I judged the parents who had sex when they could deal with the result from the act. It is called irresponsibility on behalf of the adult. Now, that irresponsible act has been committed and a child has been conceived, now is where we part ways. You want the mother to be able to kill the unborn child (abort the fetus). I on the other hand believe the child should be born since even a life of third-world poverty is better than no life at all.
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I think I have considered the needs of the children a lot more than you have since the pro-life stance will give the child a chance to live, while the pro-abortion folks will just cut the limbs of the unborn child off while in the womb and then suck the sliced fetus out with a vaccum. You tell me where the compassion is.

Terry, I don't support abortion in any way. I have never said anything remotely like that. I have no idea where you come up with these notions. We're discussing your response to the question of aiding the child of the parent who cannot afford it. A subject you either dismiss without an ounce of compassion out of your need to judge the parent, or that you ignore in favor of rants on other issues.

I have compassion for both the poor parent, and the child. I am concerned about the long term welfare of both, and feel the Christian faith clearly and unequivically calls us personally to aid them materially.

You seem to feel that you can judge them, and then wash your hands of the issue. You feel that being anti-abortion is the end of your responsibility to the least of God's children.

Try love instead of anger sometime Terry. Try mercy instead of judgement.

Gabe,
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Are two people of the opposite sex that have sexual relations that cannot support the possibility that those realtions might lead to the conception of a child. IS that a responsible act?
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Since you want to make it personal, I donate a lot of time and treasure to kid programs

Oh Terry, Terry, Terry. You are so perfect and never make mistakes right. Maybe if your old man in a dress Pope who claims to be celibate should keep his big mouth shut about condoms then perhaps more people wouldnt be so afraid of hell to use them!!
As much as I disagree with abortion the bottom line is that it is not my body and it IS legal in the US. I would be willing to bet that if men could have babies your point of view on this matter would be very different!

Terry, I'm not going to judge their actions, unlike you. I don't know the totalitty of their circumstance. I don't know what their lives are like, what setbacks may have befellen them recently. I don't know what their hearts hold. I don't know if their method of contreceptiuon failed. I don't know if they simply misjudged their finacial circumstances.

I don't know if they have been irresponsible, and frankly , that isn't all that important to me. I don't need to stroke my ego by criticizing others. I don't need to assert my moral superiority to them.

All I know is that they are people that need help and we all need to humbly help them. That is what Christ tells us.

To do otherwise would be an irresponsible act for me. That's the only irresponsibility I can judge.

Scotty,
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I have kept God and religion out of this arguement for a reason. The arguement against abortion can be made w/o it. So don't throw the Pope into this, because to me its not a religious issue.
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"Maybe if your old man in a dress Pope who claims to be celibate" - You talk about my grammer skills. If you evidence to contrary, please share with the world.
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"As much as I disagree with abortion the bottom line is that it is not my body and it IS legal in the US."
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Abortion is legal in the US - does not mean that it is the correct law. You do not believe that there should be any laws banning drug use? Prostitution?
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Do you believe if someopne murders a pregnant woman, they can be charged with two counts of murder? It is a law in many states.
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Do you think it should be illegal to serve a pregnant woman alchohol?
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Go ahead and make that bet if you that stupid with your money. Men may not have the babies, but men can be stuck with 18 years of child support for one irresponsible act.
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Gabe - you have a point about not knowing the full circumstance of the act. The majority of these cases are by young people not thinking, not failed birth control.

Terry, we were all young and stupid once. We all made dumb choices at some point. I'm not willing to judge the parents or worse yet, punish the child as a result. Judging them doesn't accomplish anything. Caring for them, and helping their children does.

Gabe its useless to argue with a Moron.

Scotty,
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It's a shame that the moron always kicks your sorry butt around. BUt you are a disadvantage since you don't have the facts or logic on your side.