Pelosi jet use draws conservative fire again: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune

Conservative charges failed to launch once before but are being retested

Posted March 11, 2009 3:39 PM
The Swamp

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U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi arrives with her husband Paul at Ciampino Airport, near Rome, Sunday Feb. 15, 2009. (AP Photo/Riccardo De Lucai)

by Frank James

It didn't really work the first time they tried it but that's not stopping conservative critics of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi from taking another run at trying to ding her by accusing her of misusing military jets.

Judicial Watch issued a press release yesterday along with copies of official e-mails it secured through the Freedom of Information Act, documents which led it to its opinion that Pelosi is rather high-handed about her use of military jets.

An excerpt from the press release:

"Taken together, these documents show that Speaker Pelosi treats the Air Force like her personal airline," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. "Not only does Speaker Pelosi issue unreasonable requests for military travel, but her office seems unconcerned about wasting taxpayer money with last minute cancellations and other demands."

Fox News picked up Judicial Watch's report.

Pelosi's office issued the following statement:

Speaker's Travel between Washington and the District

Following the attacks of 9/11, the Bush White House instituted a policy for the Speaker of the House, for security reasons, to travel on a military plane - whenever available - back and forth to their congressional district only.

Use of Aircraft

The availability and size of the military aircraft is determined by the Department of Defense. Typically, when Speaker Pelosi uses military aircraft to travel between her Congressional District and Washington, the military assigns the same 12-seat aircraft used by her predecessor, Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois.

The House Sergeant at Arms asked for an aircraft that can travel between the District and Washington without refueling citing security reasons. See statement below from Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood dated February 8, 2007:


As the Sergeant at Arms, I have the responsibility to ensure the security of the members of the House of Representatives, to include the Speaker of the House. The Speaker requires additional precautions due to her responsibilities as the leader of the House and her Constitutional position as second in the line of succession to the presidency.

In a post 9/11 threat environment, it is reasonable and prudent to provide military aircraft to the Speaker for official travel between Washington and her district. The practice began with Speaker Hastert and I have recommended that it continue with Speaker Pelosi. The fact that Speaker Pelosi lives in California compelled me to request an aircraft that is capable of making non-stop flights for security purposes, unless such an aircraft is unavailable. This will ensure communications capabilities and also enhance security. I made the recommendation to use military aircraft based upon the need to provide necessary levels of security for ranking national leaders, such as the Speaker. I regret that an issue that is exclusively considered and decided in a security context has evolved into a political issue.

This myth has been thoroughly debunked and invalidated by researchers at a variety of nonpartisan organizations including Factcheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Foundation at the University of Pennsylvania, which wrote <http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_nancy_pelosi_order_up_a_200-seat.html> :

The spread of this rumor - and its first debunking - dates back to February 2007. At that time, the speaker of the House had had access to an Air Force craft for about five and a half years. Hastert had been issued a plane after Sept. 11, 2001, for security reasons (the speaker of the House is next in line after the vice president for presidential succession).

When Pelosi became speaker, House Sergeant at Arms Bill Livingood, according to his own account <http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/09/pelosi.plane/index.html> , worried that the small craft [that Hastert used] would be unable to travel to her home district of San Francisco without stopping to refuel. Livingood, who was first elected by a Newt Gingrich-led House in 1995 <http://clerk.house.gov/art_history/house_history/sergeants_at_arms.html> , asked the Air Force and the Department of Defense about getting a bigger plane.

Department of Defense makes ALL decisions about military travel

The Department of Defense makes all decisions concerning the use of military aircraft by Members of Congress, and the House has complied with all Department of Defense rules in this area.

It is a function of the Speaker's office to coordinate Congressional delegation travel and act as a liaison between the Department of Defense and Members of Congress.

The Speaker is extraordinarily appreciative of the Department of Defense's efforts to accommodate requests from Congress.

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Mr. TONY SNOW (White House Press Secretary): I think this is much ado about not a whole lot. It is important for the speaker to have this kind of protection in travel. It was certainly appropriate for Speaker Hastert, and so we trust that all sides will get this worked out. (National Public Radio, 2/8/07).

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Blah blah blah....more nonsensical crybaby crap from the Repuglican party of Limbaugh.


Since we are in the new spirit coddling the "extremists" (no longer PC to call them Islamic terrorist) and are "reaching out to moderates", we should be able to close down this over the top private jet service for Nancy, especially since such a big deal was made about bailout dollars being used by "fat cats" for such use of private jets. Another "do as I say, not what I do" example of Democrat spending while the middle class hangs with a pittance temporary tax break. I suggest forming a top level study group to examine this perk with the intention of closing it down within 1 year, sorta like Gitmo.


Gee, I don't remember the Repukelicans and their minions complaining when Bush was wasting tax payer dollars by taking nearly three years of paid vacation during his eight years in the White Houe.


Pelosi is a detriment to the Obama administration.


Shouldn't we ALL be irate over Speaker Pelosi's misuse of the air force planes?

Not according to the Swamp. Which attacks the watchdog, not the misuser.

This article should be titled: "Judicial Watch draws Liberal fire again"


Well, except Hastert hasn't been excoriateing private business persons for flying around on privately owned aircraft either.

Besides, two wrongs don't make a right.


This coming from the same "reporter" who used a Harry Reid statement to "prove" that Reid did nothing wrong with his illegal land deals.
Frank, it is FACT that Nancy Pelooooozi tries to bully the military to give her bigger jets. It is FACT that Big Eyes misuses her military jet at the cost of the American taxpayer
Frank, it is FACT you are a worthless "journalist" and nothing more than a mouthpiece for your real bosses, the DNC and Obama sadministration.

Here is something else for you to chew on, Frank:

On tthe morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just minutes before learning of the terrorist attacks on America, Democratic strategist James Carville was hoping for President Bush to fail, telling a group of Washington reporters: "I certainly hope he doesn't succeed."
Carville was joined by Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg, who seemed encouraged by a survey he had just completed that revealed public misgivings about the newly minted president.
"We rush into these focus groups with these doubts that people have about him, and I'm wanting them to turn against him," Greenberg admitted.
The pollster added with a chuckle of disbelief: "They don't want him to fail. I mean, they think it matters if the president of the United States fails."
Minutes later, as news of the terrorist attacks reached the hotel conference room where the Democrats were having breakfast with the reporters, Carville announced: "Disregard everything we just said! This changes everything!"
The press followed Carville's orders, never reporting his or Greenberg's desire for Bush to fail. The omission was understandable at first, as reporters were consumed with chronicling the new war on terror. But months and even years later, the mainstream media chose to never resurrect those controversial sentiments, voiced by the Democratic Party's top strategists, that Bush should fail.
That omission stands in stark contrast to the feeding frenzy that ensued when radio host Rush Limbaugh recently said he wanted President Obama to fail. The press devoted wall-to-wall coverage to the remark, suggesting that Limbaugh and, by extension, conservative Republicans, were unpatriotic.
"The most influential Republican in the United States today, Mr. Rush Limbaugh, said he did not want President Obama to succeed," Carville railed on CNN recently. "He is the daddy of this Republican Congress."
Limbaugh, a staunch conservative, emphasized that he is rooting for the failure of Obama's liberal policies.
"The difference between Carville and his ilk and me is that I care about what happens to my country," Limbaugh told Fox on Wednesday. "I am not saying what I say for political advantage. I oppose actions, such as Obama's socialist agenda, that hurt my country.
"I deal in principles, not polls," Limbaugh added. "Carville and people like him live and breathe political exploitation. This is all a game to them. It's not a game to me. I am concerned about the well-being and survival of our nation. When has Carville ever advocated anything that would benefit the country at the expense of his party?"
Carville told Politico that focusing on Limbaugh is a deliberate strategy aimed at undermining Republicans.
"The television cameras just can't stay away from him," he said. "Our strategy depends on him keeping talking, and I think we're going to succeed."
Greenberg added: "He's driving the Republican reluctance to deal with Obama, which Americans want."
In 2006, 51 percent of Democrats wanted Bush to fail, according to a FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll.


It doesn't matter when Democrats screw up...there's nobody in the media that will beat their "tom toms" asking tough questions and perhaps demanding a resignation!!!! If this were a Republican...every single evening newscast would turn this into a lead story. You wacky liberals can thank God that the media is on your side!! Oh...my mistake ..you libs don't believe in God.. other then your newly found God Obama!!!


As clearly stated in this thread;
IT'S BEEN DEBUNKED ALREADY..


I make it a habit not to believe anything that comes out of the right-wing lunatic fringe propaganda outlet - Faux Noise channel.


Did Faux ever add up how much tax payer money Denny Hastert (literally) ate when he was speaker...?


Okay kids, this is an object lesson in the way that the right-wing noise machine operates. If you tell a lie loudly enough and often enough it will gain traction. Wing nuts heard this one before and they want to believe that Pelosi is making unreasonable demands, so in right wing world, even though it was debunked, it is assumed to be the truth.


Global Warming, democrats. This particular aeroplane is no 12 seater. These bad boyz burn 5,000 lbs/hr + of high quality A-1 / JP-4,5,7,8 Grade kerosene, made to exacting specifications by the evil folks associated with ExxonMobil and their conspiratorial brethren. democrats, we need to pull the plug on this most wasteful global warming activity. Get Ms. Pelosi a skateboard mounted to a mast.


Your friend, somewhere near violence ridden Mexico....


Hey JohnnyDingbat, Fox News Poll? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha.......please stop, I'm laughing so hard my sides hurt. Get over it wanna be reporter, This country rejected your brand of fascism, and now, fortunately, the adults are in charge!


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In 2006, 51 percent of Democrats wanted Bush to fail, according to a FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll.

Posted by: John D | March 11, 2009 5:24 PM
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By 2006 Bush had already proven himself to be a complete stinking pile of failure, you moron. And no, we didn't want him to "succeed" anymore because "succees" to Bush meant more people dying and more people going broke.


PS - Little Side Show Johnny, from now on can you please just post a link to an article like everyone else on here does and not repost the whole damn thing! Geeeeeeeeeeze!



Pelosi is a embarrassment to America!. Enough said.


Apparently Judicial Watch wishes to waste out time. Information we do not need to know. Thank you Tribune!


The whining righties (that includes you, Bubba Porter, and don't compare this trivia to Gitmo, please) could at least read the facts before bloviating.

And John D, please keep it to 3 sentences. Do you expect us to read all that?


Although Ms Pelosi is more liberal than I would like she is working to make this country better. The Republican party campaign that they would change the way Washington ran (at least they did for a week or two) but when given an opportunity to change the stimulus bill they proceeded to vote against the changes they had suggested. If you think that is a way to gain trust then you are fools. In fact fools unfortunately seems to be the most accurate descriptor. Fools can only do harm.


She does look a bit like Eartha Kitt in Batman, in this photo, don't you think?

Usually she's making an entrance in a different ball gown every time, like Loretta Young. :--))


The right wing=hypicrites are really proof positive of the dumbing of America. Whether you like this woman or not she is second in line to the Presidency you morons! What do you expect her to take the train for gods sake! The former speaker who was a Republican used the same services and yet you wing nuts never complained then. Like I said before Republicans=Hypocrites That Paul, is enough said!


Fault the press for not questioning Pelosi directly.

Fault the press for not asking who else is on the plane with Pelosi.

Are their relatives, friends, business people.

Don't want this administration to lecture me on how to reduce my carbon footprint; when the princess is flying coast to coast twice a week on the money I send to the government.

Pelosi needs to be reined in.

She actually is a very poor speaker and frequently gets herself into trouble.

And hasn't she invested in some energy stocks?


Nothing like the name "Pelosi" to make Donut go postal.

What's wrong Donut? Finding the corporate ladder a little slick these days?


From the Hamptons to Hollywood
SAY NO TO PELOSI and her Air Force Fleet.


VJ Machiavelli
http://www.vjmchiavelli.blogspot.com
NO MORE SCHUMER
NO MORE PELOSI


This "story" is bogus, it's a complete lie cooked up by the rightwing noise machine and spread by Fixed News. It has already been completely debunked.


"The treasure trove of documents obtained by Judicial Watch from the Department of Defense regarding Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's use of military aircraft doesn't seem to prove the organization's allegation that Pelosi has made "unprecedented demands" for the flights.
In fact, it appears that Pelosi uses military aircraft less often than her predecessor, former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert."
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7057198&page=1
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Rule #1 for finding out the truth in regards to politics:
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If you hear about something on Fixed News Channel or Rush etc - Check With A Reputable Second News Source Before You Believe It.



Mullaha Limbaugh,
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By 2006, this country was in its 5th consecutive year of economic growth thanks to George Bush's supply side policies.


I am not really sure who is in charge here in America. Seems like maybe Nancy is running the big show. Maybe we should talking about her socialists policies and failure. Jeeez, did you get that comment; "if one iota of the 410B bill is changed, forget it" threat she made? Not a squeak from Obama as he tossed his campaign promises about earmarks under the bus. And did it in private too! Oh yea, how about that 5 day review period? Another bus" tread mark". Well anyway, he said things are going to change in the future, now that he is in charge. Duh!


The press continues to not ask the hard questions.

Think they are intimidated, afraid of the presidential machine running roughshod over them.

What has happened to these wennies? They are an embarrassment to journalism.

Look to foreign newspapers and reporters to ask the questions "American" reporters are hesitant to ask for fear of offending the president.


tickle-me-terri,

I get so tired of you pugs saying we had 5 years of growth.....what was the net growth durring king schrub? And for the realists in the group, this depression started on schrubs watch and is getting attributed to his numbers, or at least the first 6 months of this year is.

You pugs are so good at trying to lie and decieve your stupid followers.


Terry and John D are right is right. Bush was an econoimic genius. Nothing but growth while he was President. Unemployment dropped every single month until he left office. The Dow was at record highs when he left office, the Banks were all doing great when he left office. Every thing worked out just perfect under Bush's brilliant leadership. The best President EVER.


http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/01/23/business/20090124_CHARTS_GRAPHIC.html

Posted by: Bubba ✔ | March 12, 2009 12:48 PM

You should know by now that when Repuglicans have facts staring them in the face they will still deny them! Dont even bother proving them wrong its a waste of time. Morons!


Does Pelosi remind anybody else of Wormtongue in LOTR? Sucking the life out of the king?
Obama already has grey hairs and it's not even 100 days.
By the way, Pelosi dodges chance to end automatic pay raises.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_go_co/congress_pay/print

Real American.


What happened to her broom?
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Horrible From,
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That would be SIX years of economic growth, since the growth extended thru Nov, 2007.
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I'll agree, BO has a little leeway. The unemploymenmt numbers aren't BO's responsibility yet, but the direction the stock market (which tends to point where the economy is heading) is all his. I'll let you figure out why I don't think BO is responsible for the unemployment figures.


By 2006, this country was in its 5th consecutive year of economic growth thanks to George Bush's supply side policies.

Posted by: Terry | March 12, 2009 6:28 AM


By 2006, the country was in its 5th consecutive year of economic growth thanks to George Bush's ability to hire people to account creatively and produce spin for him. All that growth was a house of cards (that's been built for a couple-three decades, give or take), and thanks to Bush being such an oaf, he knocked it down.


HUGE WASTE OF MONEY!!!!!


Opie,
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Have any facts to back up your statement of fiction?


Um, Terry what country do you live in? You still need even more proof of Bush's failures? One must assume now that you are deaf, dumb and blind because theres just no other excuse for your ignorance. I just cant figure out how you're able to even type your messages at this point.


I'll agree, BO has a little leeway. The unemploymenmt numbers aren't BO's responsibility yet, but the direction the stock market (which tends to point where the economy is heading) is all his. I'll let you figure out why I don't think BO is responsible for the unemployment figures.

Posted by: Terry | March 12, 2009 9:24 PM


So the 10% rise in the markets this week is due to Obama, right Terry? The market is never wrong, so the plunge at the end of Bush's term means that he was a complete economic failure, right? Come on Terry, tell us how the market going from 14000 to 7500 during the last year of Bush's term shows how great his economic policies were. Tell us how that proves that supply side economics is a proven economic winner.


Scottie the Trust Fund Child,
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If you read the post instead of just flapping your gums, then you will see that I was aking Opie if he had any facts regarding "the country was in its 5th consecutive year of economic growth thanks to George Bush's ability to hire people to account creatively and produce spin for him. All that growth was a house of cards (that's been built for a couple-three decades, give or take), and thanks to Bush being such an oaf, he knocked it down." He should have presented the facts. Like most loony flatliners, youself included, you don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story.
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Be a good little trust fund boy and go spend mor of mummy and daddy's money.
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Lou,
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Sure, I'll give him credit for this week as long as you give him blame for the drop from 9625 on the day he was elected. Deal?


Terry, you dont know anything about me and to make moronic assumptions just proves even more how out of touch you really are.
I am a hard working person with no trust fund as you suggest. I find your posts to be moronic and sophmoric at best. And Opie doesnt have to give you facts, just pick up a paper or Google Bush's record, moron.


Sure Terry, No Problem, as long as you admit that the nearly 50% drop in value under Bush is the result of his failed policies. You ready to do that Trickle Down? Are you ready to squarely blame George W Bush and his supply side economic policies for the massive stockmarket crash of 2008?


Scottie,
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Since you are hard working, you must be on vacation this week since you have a lot of daytime (when most people work) post this past week.
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As far as facts - here you go. Bush 73 month economic expansion.
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http://wwwdev.nber.org/cycles/cyclesmain.html
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I'll let you go look up the low interest rates, low unemployment data, and lowinflation data on your own. It will give you something to do while you are "working".
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Louie,
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I guess you don't understand what kind of economic indicator the stock market is, do you? Abe Lincoln had a great quote that should take to heart: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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Once you figure out the kind of economic indicator is, you will understand why the recent stock market drop rest more on BO's shoulders, than President Bush's shoulders.


Lou,
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A couple of other things - supply-side economics, which you probably don't what it even is, was not the cause of this recession. Bush's tax cuts took place in 2003. Quit getting your talking points from the Move-On
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Second, as far rise in the stock market this week, this is from the AP (hardly a conservative group of writers)
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"A big chunk of last week's rally was driven by what's known as "short-covering" -- when investors buy stocks simply to offset short trades, in which an investor borrows a stock then sells it right away, hoping to buy the same shares back later at a lower price, thus profiting from the decline.

It's difficult to differentiate between short-covering and regular buying, but floor traders last week estimated that between 50 percent and 60 percent of Tuesday's 379-point jump in the Dow was due to short-covering. And a rally driven by short-covering can disappear quickly when a scary headline hits the wires."


Scottie, Since you are hard working, you must be on vacation this week since you have a lot of daytime (when most people work) post this past week.
Posted by: Terry | March 13, 2009 11:44 PM

Terry, lets see, I posted 4 times to your 5 times so that makes you the one who is obviously on vacation (although we all knew that already) What exactly do you do all day that you have time to monitor my posts? Your accusations and presumptions are without sound or merit however my assertions and assumptions about you are dead on. Moron.


Scottie,
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It's not the number of you posts, its the time you post them. Vacation day, screwing around on the bosses dime, or late night shift at White Castle?


Terry, why I even bother to reply to your insulting posts is beyond me. Are you suggesting that people who work for White Castle are not worthy? And you wonder why the majority of the American people didnt vote for your hate machine? So what were you doing at 9;24, 11:44, 1:59 and 2:06?? Thats a lot of breaks on your boss's clock honey. Oh and for the record, I work freelance from my home and am certain that I make more money then you could ever imagine and I have no problem paying more taxes to help those poor people who serve you your hamburgers on your many breaks. Moron.


Oh dear. Terry was so completely befuddled by my post that he was forced to fall back on the ad hominem arguement, and completely abandoned any attempt at discussion. Childish and pathetic. What a waste of my time.


Scottie,
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Home from work, before I went into work, home on a Saturday, and home on a Saturday.
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Please share with us what it is you freelance at. I'm sure many of the downtrodden would like to find a good career. Please share you good fortue with others.
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"... I make more money then you could ever imagine and I have no problem paying more taxes...". Scottie - you opportunity is coming up on April 15th. Pay all you want, not just the minimum legally required by law, in federal taxes. Since you have BO, Dimwit Pelosi, and Land Deal Reid running things, I would assume you would want to turn over your vast fortune to them, since you believe that gov't knows better what to do with yours/our money than us mere minions do.
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BTW - I'm home for the day, so thus the early post.
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Louie,
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Since you so "befuddled" me, please explain yourself so I can become as "enlighted" as you are.


Terry- There's no point in wasting any more time on you. My post was clear, if you couldn't understand it, there's not a whole lot I can do to help you. I suggest you turn off Rush and read a book instead. With time you'll grow to comprehend. Good luck.


Louie,
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50% drop in value of what? Stock market? housing? your meal allowance?
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Whatever the 50% of the drop is in, please explain, instead of just stating, how Bush's policies caused this.
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I think when one can't or won't answer questions, the debate is over and Lou is short for Louser


Terry- There's no point in wasting any more time on you. My post was clear, if you couldn't understand it, there's not a whole lot I can do to help you. I suggest you turn off Rush and read a book instead. With time you'll grow to comprehend. Good luck.

Posted by: Lou | March 16, 2009 5:07 PM

DITTO!


Scottie,
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Glad you used a Rush term.
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When you have no facts, just walk away. You can hold Lou's hand while you do.
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Since you are part of the Obama rich people. I assume you do or will be paying more than your legally obligated share of income taxes - am I correct?
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FO Terry, RUSH (the overweight drug addict) took the phrase 'Ditto' from the movie Ghost for gods sake. All the facts have been laid out before you over and over again and yet you are blinded by your minority hatred and bigoted ways. You are a MORON! Also, are you a guy or a girl? Since Terry is such a girlie name I want to make sure I know who I'm talking to.


Scottie.
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Dittos is from the term "Ditto mark" - something that repeats itself, not from the Movie Ghost.

The term came into use because callers would frequently begin by giving praise and thanks to Limbaugh. Knowing that the caller’s and listener’s time is valuable, one caller simply said roughly "ditto to what those guys said (how much they enjoyed the show)." Thereafter, callers were encouraged to simply say, “Dittos,” and then get right to their point. Since broadcast time on Rush's show is valuable as compared to say Air America.
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My facts regarding the economy "are blinded by your minority hatred and bigoted ways." I would like to hear more about that one Scottie.
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Terry with a "y" is generally a guy, Terri with an "i" is always a girl. Easy to remember. I'm an Almond Joy.
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As far as Scot S. Blakeley - perhaps not a trust fund baby, but let me guess - Northeastern origin - probably still lives in a big city there - New York or Boston (possibly moved to the west coast - definitely nothing in fly over country). You have that snobby attitude.
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I'll take you at your word that you "make more money then I could ever imagine." (Not a true statement, but I'll play along). Let's see, you don't know a lot about econ or finance - so we'll rule that out. Not a logical thinking person - not an engineer, more on the creative side where feelings matter more than facts and logic. Something in the advertising or PR area?
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Probably single, if married - no kids - you would have no patience for that.
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Would say that if you play a sport, its probably tennis or squash.
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Age wise, I'm thinking early 30's, but something is telling me maybe about 50.
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Keep yapping, just like a broken clock, you will be right eventually.


Wrong on all points Terry, Oh and by the way my moms name is Terry with a Y. MORON!


Scottie,
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Like I stated, you are not a numbers guy and can't apply logic. You mom's name might be "Terry", but she hardly represents the entire statistical universe of Terrys and Terris. She is a sample size of one. I guess that word "generally" is a bit over your head. Be careful throwing that word MORON around, it will tend to bite you, especially you, in the butt.
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I'm glad you aren't that Scotttie that went to school in New York - what a twit


Never lived in NY so sorry to disappoint you. And who says Twit anymore!


Northeastern origin - probably still lives in a big city there - New York or Boston (possibly moved to the west coast - definitely nothing in fly over country). You have that snobby attitude.
Posted by: Terry | March 17, 2009 9:11 PM

Um as per your most recent post, am I correct in assuming you are from New York? Because now its all even clearer to me why your 'Snobby Attitude" annoys the hell out of me!


Never been. Now quit wasting oxygen


Right....


Not you?
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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/81a/22

Posted by: Terry | March 19, 2009 9:30 PM

Ah no, I dont live in Montreal dude. And I find it a bit scary how you're kind of stalking me... Is there a bit of an attraction going on here?


No bit of attraction - sorry to disappoint you.
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Just found it strange that there is Scot S. Blakeley that is also a flatliner in love with Obama.


Hmnmm seems to me that the MAJORITY of Americans are in Love with Obama not just me or that other Scott. Your republican party is what Flatlined dude! Witness the previous elections as evidence! LOL!!!!


Things run in cycles and you over-spending flatliner loons are over-reaching. The American public tossed out the GOP for spending too much, how do you think they will take this.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090320/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_budget
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Also, back to you "Ditto" reference in the movie Ghost. You need to go back to an earlier classic - on AMC this weekend. It's about 1/2 way down.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071230/quotes


Poor poor Terry, he keeps on trying but gets nowhere. The top issues on the campaign trail were: Energy, The economy,. Immigration, healthcare, unemployment and the environment. Only you conservative minions are the ones who complained about spending and it was your party that did the most spending! WTF! Own up to it man!

We voted you guys out because you're all NUTS!! You spent all that money overseas and nothing at home.! Thats the fundemental difference between us and you. If we're gonna over spend at least lets do it at home!

Obamas approval ratings are still above 60% even with the Stimulus Bill and AIG. So again I say it, The majority of Americans are still in love with Obama. You're in the minority now get used to it. Your Flatline wont be resucitated for generations to come!

As for the reference to 'Ditto' everyone and their grandmother knows that that phrase became famous in todays Pop culture by the film Ghost. To say otherwise is just being stubborn and ignorant.. Ooops sorry that would be Rush's core base anyway wouldnt it?


Oh and Terry, what part of the following did you not understand??

"The administration inherited deficits totaling $9 trillion over the next decade and that its budget plan cuts $2 trillion from those deficits. But most of those spending reductions come from reducing costs for the war in "


Scottie,
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Are you on your dumb pills again?
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top issues were: Energy, The economy,. Immigration, healthcare, unemployment and the environment
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Energy - Oil prices were under $40 when President Bush left office, two months later - over $50 - calculate that annualized inflation rate.
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Immigration - Nancy sums up the democratic position quite well -
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work-site-raids-american/
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Healthcare - once Americans see what happens to the economy, they will run from that faster than Teddy ran from a drowning Mary Jo.
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Unemployment - we've seen where that has been heading.
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Environment - Once again, Americans are seeing the farce that man-made global warming is and once they see the cost to them of the cap and trade taxes, this scheme will be in the gutter also.
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We will see what BO will be spending in AfPak as he expands troops there. His spending in eight years (hope its only four) will exceed Bush's in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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I guess you would have been against FDR/Truman spending all that money in Germany and Japan.
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BO's approval ratings are sinking and are no better than any recent president's approval ratings two months into his presidency.
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Majority of Americans still like BO, it is his policies they are starting to turn on.
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The way Pelosi and Redi are going - major in roads will be made by the GOP in 2010.
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Ditto being introduced into pop culture by Ghost? You have to be kidding? Only by you guys that sat around in a circle jerk drooling over Patrick Swayze. Google the word "Ditto" and see how long it takes you to find a reference to the movie "Ghost". Google the word "Dittos" and see how quick Rush Limbaugh is refernced. It is Limbuagh that has enetered the phrase "Dittos" into today's culture.
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As far as BO's deficits, This is his budget - not President Bush's. he gets to re-write the spending (except entitlements) for the next 10 years. These are his numbers. The $2 Trillion in cuts will be from the high deficits of next year. He is planning on not having a deficit of under $500 Billion. His deficits will be much higher than President Bush's in terms of dollars and more importantly in terms of GDP.
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I told you before, stay out of area you don't understand like economics.


Oh Terry how soon you wing nuts forget the facts.
Under Bush the price of a barrel of oil increased 15.7% annually, or 167% since Jan. 20, 2001. From $27 a barrel to over 100!! Funny how you forgot the price of a barrel prior to Obama wining the election. Remmeber Drill Drill Drill??? MORON!

Iraq hardly compares to Germany and Japan you putz!

As for the top issues during the campaign, I was just reminding you of them as you tried to tell me that the reason Americans voted the republicans out was because of high spending. Of course you just ignored that with your BS rhetoric

Sorry fella but the dumb pills are already taken by you, Rush and the rest of your little minority minions.

Time will tell how President Obama does. But time has already passed on Bush and it aint pretty no not at all!!


You keep throwing that MORON word around w/o realizing that it will kick you in the butt. Did you do the math on the oil trend line of BO's two months? Please explain why Oil went to $140/barrel last summer.
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Ever hear of the Marshall Plan?
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Time will tell how BO does and history will justify Iraq - just as the dems that believed that Saddam had WMDs.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090316/wl_mideast_afp/iraqpoliticssecurity


Ya ya whatever. I got my oil numbers from FOX news you MORON!
The issue we are discussing isnt 'why' oil went to $140 the issue is under which President did it go that high? You avoid the issues by posting new ones that you dont know anything about yourself. Let it go Monority Mionion.


Lot's of things happened under President Bush, President Clinton, Preseident Bush41, etc... Plenty of things will happen under BO.
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The point is - was it the president's fault that oil went to $140? If you think it was, please let me know why.
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While President Bush was in office, the Chicago White Sox won the World Series, do you think he deserves some credit for this?
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If you read slowly (this way your lips won't get tired), you will notice that no issues have been avoided.


The point is - was it the president's fault that oil went to $140? If you think it was, please let me know why.
Posted by: Terry | March 22, 2009 5:27 PM

Sure Ter, You can start with the economic policies followed by Bush During his 8 years in office, we maintained large trade deficits with the rest of the world and ran up large domestic budget deficits to pay for our misadventures in Iraq!! Not to mention the large tax cuts for you know who. Also, low interest policies created a drastic decline in the value of our money! But Im sure you'll disagree, so whatever. And Yes I believe the high cost of oil is the fault of Bush. As whatever happens now will be Obamas to claim. So can we move on now? Or are you going to dispute the fact that the US dollar sank to record lows during Bushs tenure???


I gave you your shot and you failed.
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Do we still have large trade deficits? - Yes - oil is at $50 not $140.
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Do we still have large domestic budget deficits? Yes, and they are just getting bigger. What BO is spending on will make Iraq look like petty cash. Oils is at $50, not $140.
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Do we have low interest policies? Yes, oil is at $50 not $140. BTW, monetary policy is the fed's area, not the executive branch.
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I'm tired of trying to give you an economics education, so I am moving on. I'll gove you a hint - go back to basic economics and you will fiond the answer.

See you on a post down the road, where I am sure I will have to correct you.


You're an ass. You asked me to give you my reason for believing Bush responsible for the high cost of oil. I gave you one reason which in turn is a FACT backed by all economists. You tell me I failed to answer your question?? Are yoiu blind? No, just a MORON!
Oh and amazing how the dow is going up these days isnt it? And housing too! Hmmm ....


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