Arizona State: Obama unready for degree: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune
Posted April 9, 2009 7:00 PM
The Swamp

by Mark Silva

President Barack Obama may be delivering a commencement address at Arizona State University this Spring - one of three campuses where the president will send off the graduating classes of 2009 - but he won't be coming home with any degree.

While "it's common for universities to confer honorary degrees on commencement speakers,'' Dawn Teo writes from Tempe for the Huffington Post, "Arizona State says it has specific rules for recognizing academic achievement and Obama's 'body of work is yet to come.''

She cites ASU Media Relations Director Sharon Keeler as saying that Arizona's honorary degrees are given "for an achievement of eminence" and that the president was not considered for an honorary degree because his body of achievements, at this time, does not meet the criteria.

Author of two best-selling books, Teo notes of Obama's accomplishments, "developing one of the largest grassroots organizations in the world? Nothing special. Becoming the first African American President of the United States? Good, but nothing to write home about.''

A local paper notes that:

"Arizona State has handed out honorary doctorate degrees to pioneering scientists and college presidents, titans of oil and computer microchips, newspaper publishers and generous donors, a foreign communist educator and a successful movie director, the Post's correspondent notes. Not to mention Barry Goldwater.

"Barry Goldwater received his honorary degree in May 1961, three years before his Republican nomination for president and only eight years into his three decades as a U.S. senator. Sandra Day O'Connor was similarly recognized just three years in her 25 years on the U.S. Supreme Court.''

According to the ASU State Press, ASU President Michael Crow told the degree committee that "significant contributions to education and society over the course of a person's career merit consideration for an honorary degree."

"If being a U.S. Senator and President of the United States -- the so-called leader of the free world -- is not enough to be deemed as having made significant contributions to society, Obama also has a long list of contributions to education,'' Teo suggests.

Obama already has a couple of degrees - Columbia and Harvard Law - so he probably won't miss an honorary one at his May 13 address.

And this matter of degrees is a lot easier to take, one presumes, than the dispute raging among abortion opponents and within the Catholic Church over the commencement address that Obama will deliver at Notre Dame.

So far, no controversies surrounding the commander-in-chief's commencement address at the Naval Academy.

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Arizona State: Obama unready for degree"


Yeah, but Arizona State didn't have a problem giving a degree to the Republican village idiot from Texas (Bush), who may have committed war crimes and torture in violation of international law...but he loved the fetus which all good deadender "christian" Wingnuts claim to do.....Of course in reality everyone with half a brain knows that the minute you are born the radical religious right-wing nutjobs will throw you under the bus unless you come from a silver spoon (white and wealthy) Rethuglican background like Shrub Jr did,,,



Mark, since you and your buddies at HuffPO seem to be so concerned about Obama and college, maybe you'll try to find out Obama's as-yet embargoed college grades?

Yes, do some "investigative reporting". A radical notion, I admit. But since you wrote an article not long ago praising newspapers for investigative reporting, perhaps you'd like to do some yourself?


Ha! ASU gets uppity re academic standards?!!

Those clowns better get off the cactus tower (no ivory in Arizona).


Bruce, my man,

Obama's parents were both Ph.D.'s.

He was elected President of the Harvard Law Review by his peers.

He is not exactly lacking in the intellect department.

What are you expecting to find in "embargoed grades"?

By the way, how do they "embargo" grades anyway??

Anyway, a little bird told me he will probably be getting an honorary Ll.D. at Harvard next year at the latest.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it, Arizona.


Bruce,

Yes, do some "investigative reporting". A radical notion, I admit. But since you wrote an article not long ago praising newspapers for investigative reporting, perhaps you'd like to do some yourself?

Posted by: Bruce (who else?!)

You support capitalism, don't you? Thought so.

Let's just make a far out guess that Mr. Silva gets paid for his time. And since there are lotsa stories floating around Washington, he's got to be selective about which ones to cover to their fullest. You know, give the full Woodward/Bernstein.

So before you go "savaging" the media with all your community college intellect, BUY A PAPER.

Barring that, by a clue.


So ASU admits that Obama is an empty suit who's never accomplished anything in his life except win political office. Nice to know that reality is slowly setting in, although a bit too late to help us.


Hmmm, I guess the only thing we'll hear from Republicans for the next 4-8 years is Obama Derangement Syndrome. Poor losers, I almost pity them.


Someone needs to get Obama's grades, applications to see what he has filled in on his applications.

Glad there are some standards in Arizona but Norte Dame has none.

Obama plans on visiting the pope this summer but the vatican has not accepted the nominees of Obama.

What an insult to that catholic religion that Obama can not even nominate an adequate envoy.

Bet if this happened to Israel this would be really blown-up in the press.

Obama has insulted catholics.

Bows to the king of Saudi Arabia and insults catholics.

No catholic votes in 2012, well maybe, St. Augustin Pelosi.

If Nancy Pelosi can have an audience with the pope then Obama can speak at Norte Dame.

The Obama administration has the catholics in turmoil. They don't know what they are ddoing....smell Rahm in this.


Since ASU does not feel that the President of the United States deserves an honorary degree, then perhaps ASU needs to stop awarding honorary degrees all together or revise its policy.


Yeah, but Arizona State didn't have a problem giving a degree to the Republican village idiot from Texas (Bush), who may have committed war crimes and torture in violation of international law...but he loved the fetus which all good deadender "christian" Wingnuts claim to do.....Of course in reality everyone with half a brain knows that the minute you are born the radical religious right-wing nutjobs will throw you under the bus unless you come from a silver spoon (white and wealthy) Rethuglican background like Shrub Jr did,,,


Posted by: InUtero | April 9, 2009 7:27 PM


Like that, Smooth Jazz ?????

LMAO!!!!!!!!!


I should really be incensed at the treatment of THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ... however, when I realize it's ASU ... WTF ... a degree from there isn't worth the parchment it's written on.

PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA has probably accomplished more than anyone on the ASU faculty or in its administration ... or could it possibly be they're afraid of losing contributions from the McCains and Budweier, especially now that there won't ever be a McCain Presidential Library !


Is anyone surprised that the Obama lovers who post here will throw out 4th-grade insults (with their 4th grade spelling), but the one thing they won't do is ask for the facts about Obama's college courses and college grades? Is anyone surprised that Swamp journalists won't ask for those facts?

What are they afraid of? Why don't Leftists want these facts disclosed? Why does Obama (who could authorize release of the grades) continue to keep those grades and courses hidden?


I guess they just couldn't justify giving an honorary degree to the teleprompter.


Heck, they should charge him a fee to come and campaign.


A veritable tempest in a teapot! Roman Catholics are upset about abortion, but not priestly pedophelia? What are honorary degrees? "Donated Dignity"? I don't know how many honorary degrees "W" received, but it failed to provide any real dignity to a guy who couldn't get into or through a university without "family assistance".


What can you expect from a state that refused for decades to honor the legacy of Dr. King?


& John McCain is a senator from which state again? coincidence? hmmmmm.....


given that ASU is really only known for the massive quantities of booze and drugs that are consumed by it's student population, I think it would be a greater insult for a Harvard Law Grad to be offered an honorary degree from ASU than to not be offered an honorary degree.

ASU ain't exactly known for it's stellar academics. All Stupid University.


Of course ASU won't give Obama an honorary degree...he actually went to school to get an education. ASU is nothing more than a party school, so obviously they'd give a degree to Bush, since all he did in college was party. By the way Bruce, the election is over. Why is the RNC still paying you to post your silly little rants?


Wow, the prestigious Arizona State University won't bestow an honorary degree to the President. Considering he already has degrees from Columbia and Harvard I don't think he's going to miss it too much. After all, it is ASU - who's most famous alum is probably Courtney Simpson.


I'm surprised that Obama would even consider giving a speech at that school. I know of junior colleges that have more rigorous academic standards than ASU.


Bruce---During the campaign, one of Harvard's most prestigious law professors said that Obama had been the most brilliant student he ever had. He also said that with his brilliance and his being President of the Harvard Law Review that he could have had any job in the country/world that he wanted and the instructor felt awe that Obama had chosen to go back to Chicago to help the people instead of becoming rich. I suppose that even Presidents like their privacy, but it isn't because the man isn't smart enough that he hasn't released his grades to you.


Well, well, well... it seems that one of the least esteemed educational institutions in America doesn't feel the the President of America has achieved eminence. Just one key reminder for the ASU faithful- Barack is a Harvard grad (you f'ing bfc morons!!!!)- that is more than any PHD with an Arizona degree will ever accomplish.. and that was Barack's salvo on the accomplishments list. For an institution that barely makes a passing grade at the Community College level, and has absolutely no graduates of eminence anywhere in the world, I am shocked that all of a sudden their lowly standards have become the new "passing grade" for honorary degrees. ASU- A. Schoolof. Underachievers. No suprise that another two time loser comes is the best that the state of Arizona can produce.... but I am sure that JMc is of appropriate lowly eminence to receive an A.S.U. degree. Cheers to the unemployed A.S.U. class of 2009. no jobs for you.. as you have definitely offended every Harvard grad CEO in America at the very least....


I don't know how many honorary degrees "W" received, but it failed to provide any real dignity to a guy who couldn't get into or through a university without "family assistance".

Yes, we all know affirmative action is the only " dignified "way to get into school!


For at least two years to now you have been running articles and tidbits about Senator Obama, now President Obama. Please, we are tired and sick of all the bashing/negativity. Is this the only way you think you can sell papers? I mean, you have said so much trivial things about the guy, you have most folks appreciating him instead of seeing him as some novel character. So stop it please. I voted for the guy, but his picture is not in my home, I don't have a calendar with Obama every month. He is not a "rock-star" the media "coined" him with that stupid name. Please, just get over it, the man won the election fair and square. Let him govern and leave him be unless it is relative. You print mundane nonsense about him and people are simply tired of it.


Will ASU give a honorary degree to Obama's teleprompter?

It is afterall, more deserving and does not genuflect to foreign monarchs.


What? ASU couldn't decide whether to give him and honorary degree in Foreign policy or Economics.


Obama already has a degree from Harvard. Why would he want a degree from a nothing school like Arizina State? I guess he could use for emergency toilet paper but I'm pretty sure the secret service has that covered.


Gee, how unusual -- Bruce missing the message(s) only to complain about the messenger(s) - AGAIN!


Will ASU give a honorary degree to Obama's teleprompter?

It is afterall, more deserving and does not genuflect to foreign monarchs.


Chris, did you hear the joke about the teleprompter? It was hilarious.


GK -

You know what's hilarious? The president of the United States of America bowing before the King of Saudi Arabia.

Ya know what else is hilarious??? The president gifting two dozen DVDs to the British PM, which won't even play on a European DVD player.

You know what else is hilarious??? 'Giggles ThePrez' laughing it up with Leno and cracking jokes about the Special Olympics.

You know what else is hilarious??? The president 'being outraged' at AIG bonuses that he knew, or should have known were coming.

You know what else is hilarious??? All the Obamatrons who put this guy into office. Oh wait, that's actually kinda sad.


Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois, is proud to have awarded Barack Obama an honorary degree in 2005, before he had completed his "body of work." Just as it is proud to have awarded Abraham Lincoln his first degree of any kind -- an honorary degree -- in 1860, before he had completed the body of his work.


"Obama already has a degree from Harvard. Why would he want a degree from a nothing school like Arizina State?"

WTF is wrong with you liberals and Democrats? You get online to trash a school that you probably know nothing about. Did you know ASU leads all other universities in the nation in use of solar power? Sounds pretty "progressive" huh? Ha. I'm not from ASU, but for those trashing them I would like to know where, or if, they received their college degree.

It is my belief that Obama is a smart man. Is he one of the smartest people in the world as his followers believe, certainly NOT. I hate his policies, but we'll see how it turns out.

Smooth Jazz - its not "Obama Derangement Syndrome", its "Bush derangement Syndrome". The left put every blame possible on Bush, feeds you crap news from MSNBC, and you sheep eat it up.

I've never understand how seemingly intelligent people can believe in some of the policies Obama is implementing. Not everything Obama is going to do will be correct, thats just a damn fact, no one is perfect. STOP BEING NAIVE, I'M ABOUT TO PULL MY HAIR OUT!!


ASU, here is a hint, why does President Obama need an honorayr degree from you when he graduated magna cum laude (with great honor) From Harvard. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, a very competitive position, a competitive position at Harvard no less and elected the first African American of the United States at 47 years old.

Really, you think too highly of your school. Someone remind me where is ASU?



ASU, here is a hint, why does President Obama need an honorayr degree from you when he graduated magna cum laude (with great honor) From Harvard. He was president of the Harvard Law Review, a very competitive position, a competitive position at Harvard no less and elected the first African American of the United States at 47 years old.

Really, you think too highly of your school. Someone remind me where is ASU?



Hey, Chris & Bruce ...

Every post you regurgitate merely proves to the world at large your total ignorance ! If you had half a brain, you might be dangerous ... however, seeing no evidence of even that minimum standard, I do believe we can all rest easy ... even ASU wouldn't give you a degree !

You two should really get together ... miserableness loves company !


Hey old lemming, you said nothing about the topic at hand. You only fired off an ad hominem attack at a couple conservatives that apparently incite you enough to try and formulate some weak attack. You're another Obama-nazi joke. What are you going to say if some of the things conservatives are saying come true? What if we do have a national debt of 10 trillion by the time Obama gets out? It is a possibility. I mean, do you know how much Obama spending? More than anyone in the history of the world!! No joke. How will this nation oafford that? Tax the rich? What happens when there aren't so many "rich" people anymore, what will we do then? Do you have an answer to ANY of the questions? I dare you to try and answer. Or you just shoot off another attack at someone.


The topic was more than adequately covered by the vast majority of comments already posted. Mine was directed to two egregious, ignorant assholes who added nothing but ignorance and/or bigotry, to the discussion. Now, apparently there are three. I would point out that the president of ASU is now backtracking to cover his ass in the face of widespread public distain for the initially announced decision [see: "Politico" update as of approximately 2100 hrs. on 10 April]. This should have absolutely nothing to do with conservative or liberal ... this is about earned respect for the individual and respect for the President of the United States of America. Maybe you should also look at the list on ASU's site of those receiving their "honorary" degrees ... the Minister of Education of China ? Raoul Castro ? WTF are you talking about ... Be thankful that we have someone of PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA's intelligence and capability to deal with the mess that geo. dubyous shrub created and left for him to deal with. Before shooting off your mouth, how much of what has been spent to date is left over from your apparent hero; as for "... what conservatives say ... " : firstly, there are few if any "conservatives" anywhere to be heard today ... there are neocon rebubbacans who are enamored of the sound of their own voices saying the word NO; they are so inept, they finally come up with a National budget with no numbers ... now thats leadership ? Face facts, you are now and for years to come a minority party with nothing to offer the American people ... you are the "dixiecrats" of the 21st century !


Chris, all those hilarious jokes sound like they came right off a teleprompter.


Old lemming - "my apparent hero", your assumption makes you look like an ass. Another "Bush derangment syndrome" sufferer. I don't consider Bush a fiscally conservative President, so your poor assumption leads you to form another weak attack on someone's person, mine.

It's quite clear that you think I am merely some bigot. I'm sure you group all Republicans and conservatives this way. Your pointing out of Obama's middle name "Hussein" tells me that you want to rub it in my face that a person of color is running this country. Well thanks for the reminder, but I do not care about the name or color of my President. I care about a President's policies and for the most part disagree with the handling of this crisis on Obama's part.

As far as ASU backtracking, of course they did. The media jumped on their ass. It's now a PR thing and they must do damage control. That's PR 101, duh.

All you left wingers do is call people with dissenting viewpoints bigots. If you don't believe in abortion you're "anti-science". If you don't believe in the inherently racist Affirmative Action you're a "racist". If you don't like welfare programs you want "people to starve". These arguments are often used by liberals and democrats, they are extremely weak arguments but unforunately are effective, especially since the level of education of a conservative is, on average, higher than that of Democrats (go look it up if you don't believe me).

Do you realize that Obama has made us more partisan than ever? Along with Reid and Pelosi and the media, any conservative is up to be attacked. You people, yes I said "you people" (libs and dems), are full of hypocrisy and misinformation. I'll give you one more chance to try and answer those questions, which I presumed (and I was actually correct, unlike you lemming) you wouldn't, haha.


What's a joke....
ASU is the loser here...
it is pure politic and ugly....


harvard ranked #1 in 2009
columbia university ranked #8
arizona state ranked #121

NEED I SAY MORE !!!

p.s. these stats are from us news and world report


Roger Smith-

No, you needn't say more Roger. How can you elaborate on an idea that isn't even there? Your implication merely proves that you subscribe to an elitist viewpoint.

Did you know that a couple years ago they randomly quizzed college students among state, community college, private, and ivy league schools on simple questions about government. They would ask, "How many people are in the House" for example. The IVY LEAGUE schools performed the poorest of them all. Harvard is a great school, but you are not inherently intelligent if you go there. That implication is just plain ridiculous.

Where's your degree from Roger Smith, I dare you to answer. Do you even have a degree?


dear tom thumb
if you must know i attended
HOWARD UNIVERSITY in
Washington, D.C. RANKED
# 102. I also went to MEDICAL SCHOOL there
where I graduated 3rd in my
class. I t am a trained OPHTHALMOLOGIST


dear tom thumb
I was kind enough to share
some my educational background with you and now
I would like to know where you
went to college, what it's rank
was and what you do for a living.


dear tom thumb
it is now your turn to share with us where you went to
college, what it's rank is and
what you do for a living.


There is no need. I was not the one putting down an institution I know nothing about, that was you, Doctor. Therefore where I attended school is of no concern. Follow me?


How could ASU think they could say Obama hasn't accomplished much yet and get away with it? do they not read papers, watch the news, listen to the people? I'm sure if Sarah Palin spoke they would give her a degree, even though she barely made it through college in the first place. I have always hated the desert and it appears that it fries the brains of those who live there.


All this about someone that shouldn't be our President in the first place. What I and the rest of the American People want to know is how did Obama get elected since he is not a true born American citizen which is a requirement to hold that position?


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