Biden: Cheney 'dead-wrong' on Obama

Not surprising. Cheney hates America. Always has. He just doesn't realize he does, but he does.

Like most Republicans nowadays, Darth loves some country that exists only in his mind and that he almost brought about in reality, but it wasn't and isn't America.

Cheney's mind is so morbid, he really doesn't believe that his butt can be served to him. His psychopathic, delusional and narcissitic behavior has so brainwashed the Republicans and their groups of sheep, that none of them live in reality. Their dirt (war crimes, torture etc) will continue to show up in the light of day now that BushCo is gone.

Biden is sent out to dispute Cheney and heal over the nasty remarks made by Obama about America ("arrogant, derisive and dismissive").

America has supported countries defensively and monetarily. We've sent aid and personnel to wherever there was a crisis, America was first to respond.

And all Obama can do is seek personal approval and tear down the US.

"Weaker posture"...Does Putin worry about other nations' feelings being hurt? Think not. Is China worrying about the US's feelings, how about North Korea, are they worried about how we feel?

Biden is a lapdog for Obama. He is sent out to smooth things over or to stir things up.

Obama screwed up in Europe with the negative comments about America. Remember the bodies of all those Americans who died on the shores of France.

Safety is not a concern of Obama's given the cuts in the military spending. Obama weakens America in thought, words and actions.

If America is attacked,Obama is faulted. Bush and Cheney protected America from terrorists. Safety, first.

This is coming from a guy who shot his hunting partner....

Obama screwed up in Europe with the negative comments about America. Remember the bodies of all those Americans who died on the shores of France.
Posted by: Mike | April 7, 2009 8:08 PM
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More BS propaganda from the right-wing lunatic fringe.

Obama screwed up in Europe?....only in your deluded Wingnut mind, Mickey....

Dick Cheney is one huge reason why we are having the problems we are facing today. He need to follow the golden rule. If you have nothing good to say; sat nothing at all. I also understand that he is trying to control information through people left in government from the past. He is also contacting world leaders undermining the President. I wish he would follow the Bush lead.

Here is a great tidbit about our commander-in-chief. Just five days before he became president (remember he wasn't a senator at this time either), he signed a deal to write a children's book and recieved a $500,000 advance. here is the smart and ironic thing about the advance - it will be taxed under President Bush's tax rate of 35% and not his own tax rate of 39.6% (plus whatever he may do to SocSec tax rates).
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/19/obamas-500000-book-bonanza/
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Now that's leadership.

Unfortunately, Cheney is right. I fear that Mr. Obama's unfortunate lack of judgment will result in great loss of life.

Put Cheney on the next plane to Spain.

Mike, do you ever tire of being wrong?

My guess is no, since you are oblivious to the fact that you are wrong so often.

People like you said Clinton did EVERYTHING wrong regarding terrorism. Yet, the period of time between WTC1 and WTC2 was 102 months. Just like the time between 9/11 and now. So, your proof of your heroes' success is what again?

Yeah, like i said: You're wrong again.

"Mike" -the poster- is chock full of of the garbage being spewed by the wingnut talking heads. Hannity truncates half of what President Obama says, thus changing the context and feeding the insatiably un-curious crowd that regurgitates it out.
The worst national security lapse in the history of our country was on Bush and Cheney's watch (fox/hen house?); their pre-emptive wars, torture and extraordinary rendition made us less safe.

President Obama, on his first overseas trip, has moved us closer to healing and repairing our standing on the world stage.

Everybody loves us now, we are the cute little puppy to be patted on the head. As long as we sit quietly in the corner and take whatever we get and like it everything will be fine. Biden said so.

If Biden and BO were as focused on national security as they are in crticizing the Bush Administration, we'd be a stronger nation.

BO and Biden will write their own legacy regarding protecting America. Time will tell!

With BO cutting defense, willingly compromising national soveriegnty, and insulting long-term allies, it should not be too long before the enemies of this country see BO's weakness.

If innocent Americans perish due to weak national security, their blood will rest on BO and Biden.

Words will not deter terror.

Time will tell.

"...the nasty remarks made by Obama about America ("arrogant, derisive and dismissive")"

Oh come on Cupcake: That was Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney to a Tee.

Rumsfeld and Cheney were two of the most "arrogant, derisive and dismissive" twits to come along in quite some time.

Mike,
How quickly you forget facts - first, Bush was so lackadasical in his first 9 months in office that he failed to heed the intel (and past thwarted efforts during the Clinton admin) so that 9/11/01 became a reality.
His response - force feed an anti-American liberty losing agenda down the throats of the sheep in Congress (dominated by the GOP).
Since we have not been attacked since then (during which time we actually employed the safety and security postures we had in place in September of 01) we credit Bush with protecting us.
That is tripe.
The fact is, after 9/11, every civilized nation was 100% behind and sympathetic to us. Strong leadership would have taken that advantage and built a coalition that together decided how to combat global terrorism - financially, militarily and politically.
No, Bonehead Bush gets some folks to help us in Afghanistan - but he mainly wanted to go it alone and play Cowboy hero. Once he figured out that there was no quick hit there, he goes after a sovereign state that had a despot as a ruler, using ginned up reasons.
I'm happy Obama is running the show. What's broke took at least 8 years to happen. He is attacking it piece by piece.
The first objective - safety in numbers. Repair the damage from the Cowboy King and get the world back on the same page.
Stealing a thought from the Bushies/Roves - "Why don't you show your patriotism and back the president? Or are you a terrorist loving scumdog?"
Mike - give it a chance.

Cheney is a coward, a liar, and unpatriotic. He is salivating over another attack against the U.S. After the 9/11 attacks (which occurred on his watch) he was hurried off to a secret undisclosed location and remained there in hiding for weeks. I heard he and George W. had a big falling out and are no longer on speaking terms...

Headline: Somali Pirates Sieze 21 American Sailors

Joe Biden: "I guarantee you we are safer today, our interests are more secure today than they were any time during the (last) eight years."

Ha, ha, ha!!

Nice try, Joe. You're a wizard!

It’s truly amazing how uninformed most of the people are here who post comments. It’s typical left-ism thinking. We might as well blame Bush for everything, because he has become the national scapegoat.

Bill Clinton can be truly thanked for 9-11, as his policies created an environment for terrorism to thrive. Think that 9-11 was planned for years before Bush was even in office. Now with the chief community organizer in office, out apologizing for America’s arrogance, of whom he is the chief arrogant one, we are returning to Jimmy Carter passifism and are setting ourselves up for another terrorist attack, Oh, that’s right, I can’t use that word, terrorist.

Good luck all you people with your head in the sand on Obama and his policies of weakness.

Looking at an administration that can't get out of "Campaign" mode, of course it's much more important to be liked by other countries than to be respected.

Far too many Americans have fallen for the "They must Love us" campaign rhetoric and fail to see the real life, deadly consequences of being weak and apologetic to countries that should have the USA standing on their necks, not patting them on the back and asking forgiveness.

If thinking other nations now like us for being so weak is a positive, then good old Joe the blunder mouth is correct in his assessment. Of course, what that means in real life terms is the USA is becoming a weaker nation and ripe for another attack because the Obama administration would rather put out a hand to chop off than a rifle to fire back with.

ttj - you're trying to tie Pirate attacks to Obama?? Check your facts before you post.

These attacks started back as early as 2005 where the MV Feisty Gas was seized by Somali Pirates. $315,000 ransom was reportedly paid.

Now, I may be wrong but wasn't BUSH in office during this time??

In 2008 there were 111 attacks which included 42 successful hijackings. Again, Bush in office.

Nice try, now go back to sleep.

Gregor, You are an absolute idiot. Clinton did nothng to assist the transition to Bush. He damamged every computer in the WHite House, stole the dishes, also diddled the dishes, dismantled our countries security systems and you have the balls to say Bush ignored info from Clinton. You are a talking point wind up doll that needs to go back to taking your notes from Keith Olbermann. It was kind of funny though.

After watching some news clips on FOX News and a bit of listening to the Rush radio show, I find it very interesting that many of the comments I see here reflect what has been said there.

Obama said that BOTH sides, the Americans & the Europeans, has been arrogant, derisive and dismissive.

I invite the right-wing commenters to start thinking for themselves... and YES, Bush & Cheney's policies have caused a lot of problems - FACT!

Coming from a liberal narccistical egostist who said Americans should be patriotic and pay more taxes!

Put Bush and Cheney on the next plane to Baghdad ! I am sure they will be welcomed as liberators !! The Moroffs of American history !! Why don't they just stay home and count their money ? After 8 years, I'm sure it is quite a haul !! Only in America, would we elect such moroffs and let them get away with the incompetence and malfeasance, they instigated, inside and outside our country !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

It is better to be feared than respected. Obama is a complete joke.

ttj - you're trying to tie Pirate attacks to Obama?? Check your facts before you post.

These attacks started back as early as 2005 where the MV Feisty Gas was seized by Somali Pirates. $315,000 ransom was reportedly paid.

Now, I may be wrong but wasn't BUSH in office during this time??

In 2008 there were 111 attacks which included 42 successful hijackings. Again, Bush in office.

Nice try, now go back to sleep.

Posted by: Mark D | April 8, 2009 9:23 AM
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Mark- How many of your examples included US air or sea vessels?
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Israel arms it's merchant vessels - because they understand that they would be a target- why don't we?
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to the point of this article..
Our President's response to N Korea's missle launch? Severe reduction in the funding of missle defense and nuclear weapons..and hoping that he mythical world community will somehow make it all go away..
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Our stance in Europe - remember that continent? The one we liberated twice (The west in WW2 and The east in the 80's)...our stance is to apologize for our arrogance?
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What is the benefit of Obama's much campaigned on NEW diplomacy - when he can't get any of Europe to help him with his war in Afghanistan- a war that, if not successful, will likely impact Europe much before the US?
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Our president bowing to another countries leader- whats up with that?
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We are in the midst of the prez 20012 campaign...campaigning is the only thing this guy knows how to do..

Sorry, posters Obama screwed up in Europe.

Interesting to see how Obama handles the Somali privacy.

The democrats are out in force today. We all know why.

It is better to be feared than respected. Obama is a complete joke.

Posted by: Monkey Brains | April 8, 2009 10:08 AM

Ahh Yes, The Hitler/Stalin School of International Relations, now fully endorsed by the radical right in the US.

After watching some news clips on FOX News and a bit of listening to the Rush radio show, I find it very interesting that many of the comments I see here reflect what has been said there.

Obama said that BOTH sides, the Americans & the Europeans, has been arrogant, derisive and dismissive.

I invite the right-wing commenters to start thinking for themselves... and YES, Bush & Cheney's policies have caused a lot of problems - FACT!

Posted by: Sandeman | April 8, 2009 9:39 AM

Sandeman- words mean something- Obama saying that Europe has been equally arrogant or devisive- was implied to be a response to US arrogance...

The point is moot though- there are many ways he could have gotten the point across that the goal is for the US and Europe to be partners-w/o insulting his own country...it served no purpose and it clearly bought Obama nothing from the Europeans, you don't gain peoples respect by disrespecting your own country... he made himself look petty and self serving.

This is why you don't let community organizers become Presidents. He has had a couple of good idea's, the swing set in the back yard and he told Michelle to get out and do something so she planted a garden. We have a President flying around the world telling everyone how arrogant the US is. That should have put the fear of God in the minds of our enemies. Closing Guantanamo is going to earn points with our enemies, are you kidding me. Who do we want guarding our country? DId the bad guys really want to mess with Bush and Cheney? We have proof that for 7 yrs they did not. The talking points you libs have put together blaming Bush for 9/11 fall on deaf ears. Nobody buys into that one, except your buddies on MSNBC. YOU don't get it. The day one of the terrorists takes out a school, church, or shopping mall again on our soil, our lives are over as we knew it. As you libs are blowing bubbles at the bad guys and expressing your love and appreciation for them, you forget that these people want to kill Americans. They do not care if you are a lib or not. They want to kill all of us. SO go ahead, tear down the defensive measures that Bush put back together. Blame George for everything. Might not be a bad idea to keep looking over your shoulder once in awhile.

History is yet to be written before we decide who is "dead wrong". Let's meet back here in 12 months for further discussion.

Throw a shoe at cheney and tell him to SHUT UP. No one cares what that robber baron criminal has to say. He pillaged and robbed the country enough, still trying to drag it down. He and the worst thing to ever occupy the White House ought to be jailed for war crimes and crimes against humanity. how refreshing to have people in the office with both a heart and a BRAIN!

Stimulus:
"Because America hasn't been physically attacked since September 11th, the Bush Administration's anti-terror policies are to be lauded. Those policies are the reason we haven't been attacked."

Question Stem:
Which one of the following demonstrates a flaw in the reasoning of the argument above?

(Your answers, please. Unlike the LSAT, this is not just multiple choice!)

Wasn't this the same Joe Biden who said Obama lacked the experience it takes to be President and that the POTUS does not lend itself to on-the-job-training.

What exactly has changed since that time other than Obama picking Biden as his running mate?

Were you "dead-wrong" on that Mr. Biden? So should we have believed you then as we should now?

How about when you stated, "mark my words h will be tested ...and it won't be apparent at first that he's doing the right thing he's doing the right thing...

Anything coming out of Biden's mouth should not be taken seriously. He's a joke of a career politician. Think Roland Burris with hairplugs.

Closing Getmo is a terrible mistake. The stats show that greater than 60% of those released returned to terrorist activities. The Red Cross inspects this place daily. Where are we going to put the bad people? It will be a foregone conclusion that military and CIA operatives will put these guys down on-site versus giving them rights by bringing them to America or risk them getting loose in the numerous and documented cases of escapes. Closing Getmo isn't a right-left wing issue. It isn't a human rights issue. It is just bad policy.

No matter what any of you may think of former V.P. Cheney, and I know that many of you out there think of him as satan himself - are there any of you out there who can seriously say that you think of joe biden as having more 'gravitas' than Richard Cheney?

I know there are many of you out there who hate the very mention of the name George W. Bush, but are there any of you out there who would actually believe that former President Bush was as dismissive of Cheney as our present leader is of Biden?

One more thing - Given the fact that our present standing in the "world" is not that high, most of you seem to assume that that is OUR fault.

Wrong

If you don't like it here just leave.

Mr. Cheney is now a private citizen and has the right to say whatever he wants to say. Doesn't VP Biden have some real work to do?

Biden and Obama both are a disgrace to their offices. Both of them blaming their problems on a previous adminstration is not only ignorant but childish.

Wow. Everybody is getting kinda bent here. Y'all are pretty invested in your own opinions, huh? Alright, then.
Fact: America was attacked by an organization that laid claim to no country of their own, but used several countries to their own end. And not one of those countries was Iraq.
Fact: after failing to kill or capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora, the Bush admin invaded Iraq.
Fact: the Bush admin gave as their justification for the invasion to the American people specious reasoning that tied Iraq to 9/11, which was eventually proven false. Now, did that invasion - and the money spent there (which could be argued that it helped exacerbate the economic downturn we're now experiencing) make us more secure and safe? Or less?
And shouldn't that be one of the measures - if not the primary measure - by which we judge Cheney, et al?

Really??

I thought there was a terrorist attack somewhere in the 8 years Bush and Cheney had the reins. Maybe I'm mistaken...

Legally? Cheney belongs in jail, as does his retarded puppet Bush. They should have been impeached for their repeat violations of the Constitution Safer? Losing two wars, a poorly equipped military, and a near-bankrupt country.

Many of us always knew Cheney was a lying scumbag. Now we also know he's an idiot.

"TRICKY DICK SPEAKS"
Pentagon Cuts! What Pentagon cuts! Obama you didn't get the message! You didn't get the MEMO! You didn't get the Presidential Briefing I got! Call Scooter! Call "Clandestine Plame" Pentagon Cuts! What Pentagon Cuts! Halliburton Cuts! What Halliburton Cuts! In Dubai! What!, What! Stop the Press! Obama didn't get the Presidential Briefing that I just did! We're plotting! We're strategizing! Get Kyl! Get Sherrif Joe! Get McCain! Get me Scotter on the phone!

I don't watch the right/left yappers on t.v. so these are actually my own thoughts. And I'll do it without apostrophe abuse too. Cheney is trying to plaster over his misdeeds by falsely applying altruistic motives. It might just work. Other than that he sounds like the harping mother-in-law that won't go away and shut up.

The issue of torture in the U.S. has two sides: 1) the primus of national security and intelligence gathering versus 2) moral conduct and foreign relations.

In a post-9/11 world, former VP Cheney's rationale for torture has been akin to "if you can't beat them (at direct warfare), join them (in their lack of respect for life!). In other words, if the terrorist are so willing to lay down their lives through such processes as suicide bombings and kill indiscriminately, why should we care if we cause alittle pain and humiliation to those who we capture either on the battle field or wherever they may hide? I agree with this mindset, but only if it yields two results:

1) the U.S. and/or its allies are able to gain valuable "actionable intelligence" from torturing these so-called "high value detainees", and 2) if the U.S. is able to convict same.

While the former appears to have yielded results (we really don't know how many terrorist attacks have been stopped because much of the information on terrorist detainees has been rendered classified), there have been few convictions of these HVDs on their terrorist actions and/or involvement. So, the question becomes, "How long do we keep this terrorist-POWs w/o providing a fair trails under the law, i.e., the War Powers Act?

The flipside to this issue is rooted in foreign relations, specifically with the Muslim world. Both Pres. Obama and former Pres. G. W. Bush both correctly stated that the U.S. is not at war with the Muslim world. However, where G. W. Bush failed was in his inability - or more correctly his unwillingness - to truly reach out to the Muslim world and offer a real olive branch of peace. This is important because of how the U.S. is viewed as a whole throughout the Muslim world.

The Iraq War did more to galvanize anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world than it did to prevent it. And when the Muslim world believes that the U.S. is subversive, that we invade, capture, detain, torture, and kill indiscriminately their people they take our bold talk of peace and liberation and toss it out the window. In this regard, I believe that Pres. Obama has taken the right steps to change the perception of how Americans view Muslims, that it is not the Muslim world that is our enemy, but rather just a small few or radicals who hate our ideals and our way of life. To that, Pres. Obama took a smart and bold step in reaching out to a modern Muslim nation, Turkey, in an attempt to enlist their help to "pass the word" to the Muslin world that "we want peace, but we need your help to achieve it." To that, we need nations like Turkey to help convince lessor progressive Muslim nations to lay down their arms and seak peace, not war. It's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. You can get more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. But there's another side to this issue of foreign relations that also needs to be addressed and that is, "seak first to understand and then be understood".

Under the Bush 43 administration, there was little room for collective understanding between the U.S. and the Muslim world. That only led to more strive between both sides. I believe that Pres. Obama's understanding of the Muslim religion may help him in his efforts to reach out to the Muslim world in ways G. W. Bush could not.

I am a Christian who has studied Islam. If our president's religious background is true, then I can understand how he is able to bridge the gap between both religions having been raised a Muslim as a child, but converting to Christianity as a young adult. He would, therefore, have an understanding of how Muslims think that perhaps our former president did not. In this, I believe it's a shame that the Conservative mind would see this as a negative; instead of accepting the ideals of freedom of religion under the very Constitution they lament, instead fear of terrorism is constantly taunted in the background because of his religious upbringing. I submit that this country has more to gain by enlisting the help of modern Muslim nations to convey peace than we do in continuing to ostracize a religious sect especially when we speak so readily of freedom of religion. I'm not saying we coddle; we should still go after those who have and still plan to do us harm. But we cannot blame the majority of Muslims for the stupidity of a small few.

This gets me back to the question - torture or not to torture. Again, if the U.S. can gain actionable intelligence and subsequent convictions from it, I'd say allow it under the law. If not, don't.

Can't wait till Cheney is tried for war crimes. No, it won't happen here in the U.S., but it will give me great satisfaction that the guy will never be able to board a plane to leave our shores, as much as I would like to see the guy sent to a gulag in a faroff land.

We shall see how many citizens of Biden's USSA are "dead wrong" when the trains and buses start blowing up on our city streets. I guess that we can Barry back over to Saudi Arabia to bow to his king like he already did this week.

"Words will not deter terror.
Time will tell.
Posted by: Jim | April 8, 2009 7:52 AM"

And this is EXACTLY the problem with Dick Cheney's views and people like you who believe them. Of course words deter terror. If the only words being spoken to Islamic world are coming from extremist groups then it will be the extremist groups that benefit. if we counter their lies with the language of reason on conciliation we will see fewer young Muslims take comfort in terror organizations. Threats and belligerence are not the answer.

All you left wing or as you should be referred to, "lowest common denominators", I have a simple question for you. If you were having heart surgery, would you prefer a successful heart surgeon perform the surgery or an accountant that has read a lot of articles about hear to surgery. Then why the hell are you so confident that O'Bama & Biden are so much better than Cheaney & Bush. Cheaney & Bush were both successful business men before politics, Biden & O'Bama are life long politicians, they no nothing about balancing a budget or operating a business, how does that qualify them to run a country & fix the financial crisis. When it comes to nantional defense their experiences is even worse, but as long as you confident because they talk a good game, then I'm sure choosing that acocuntant for your heart surgery will work out.

Have any of you Democrats ever heard the term, which can be applied to our country, ...."a pillar of strength", there is a good reason the saying doesn't go..."a pillar of politeness & political correctness"

I can't take it any more. You delusional right wingers will never learn and I don’t have the time, nor the inclination to waste my time arguing with your paranoid views of the world. There's too many of you to name here, so I will just name Bill O'Rielly, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh because apparently it is their pathetic rants that are regurgitated above by the idiot right wingers. Get your own mind.

To the Democrats Cheney is the pinata of the moment. To the Republicans he's a 'former statesman' expressing his party's opposition. All of this is just eyecandy by the politicians to take our focus off the really important issues we're facing. The media loves a circus but we have to concern ourselves with issues that really affect us NOW.

When Joe Biden speaks....Who listen's?

Shame on you PJO for doubting the experience of O'bama and Biden. What are you, a racist? Soon you will see them on that commerial. The one that asks if they are experienced enough to be President. The answer was no, but they did stay in a Holiday Inn Express.

More BS propaganda from the right-wing lunatic fringe.

Obama screwed up in Europe?....only in your deluded Wingnut mind, Mickey....

Posted by: Giles G | April 7, 2009 10:30 PM

You are absolutely correct. What Obama said in Europe was correct. The left wing nut jobs in America are arrogant, not only toward Europe, but toward their own country.

Headline: Somali Pirates Sieze 21 American Sailors

Joe Biden: "I guarantee you we are safer today, our interests are more secure today than they were any time during the (last) eight years."

Ha, ha, ha!!

Nice try, Joe. You're a wizard!

Posted by: ttj | April 8, 2009 8:39 AM
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Update - Americans take ship back from pirates.

Ha ha ha!

ttj you are such a loser.

In response to "People like you said Clinton did EVERYTHING wrong regarding terrorism. Yet, the period of time between WTC1 and WTC2 was 102 months. Just like the time between 9/11 and now. So, your proof of your heroes' success is what again?" You are comparing apples to oranges. In the time between WTC1 and WTC2, there were embassy bombings in Africa and the USS Cole attack.