Immigration reform: Obama piles on

Who is not keeping his campaign promises, in spite of the Bush-Cheney-Republican sandbagging of his first 100 days in Office. Bravo, President Obama, for keeping your word on dealing with the all-important issue of undocumented workers !! America was populated by immigrants, fleeing political, religious and economic tyranny, just as the undocumented workers have done !! Then, they are forced to live quiet lives, in the shadows, for years, raising good American children, working jobs, at slave wages !! They are a credit to America and there should be some way, that we, as the great nation we are, can accommodate them. They have earned that right !! As for taking jobs away from other Americans, that's some more right wing bullslip !! Agitating all the time, these unAmericans need to stir things up, so they can justify their outrageous paychecks from the Rabid Right donors, whose basic thought is: Divide and Conquer !! We have a problem, America, and it isn't the undocumented workers fault !! Once again, look to corporate America, for there adoration for cheap labor and gargantuan profits !! Don't blame the fiscal meltdown on the undocumented workers of America, it was the Bush-Cheney- Republican incompetence and malfeasance !! They gave us that disaster, among many others !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

If the presidential election was re-held tomorrow who do you think would be the victor?

That 6 million divide has been bridged and more have moved out of Obama's corner.

Our psyche has been scarred.

He's done in 2012.

Don, you're so pathetic it stinks! You talk of "undocumented workers" like they simply failed high school and go to work instead of college. Having fine upstanding American children?

Your rabid diatribes against the republican party is soooo boring and your persistant "UnAmerican" garbage spewed with the ever rediculous ending meant to appease your rediculous rants with support our troops ....blah blah blah.

We all support out troops Don, most of us don't have to end every sentence with that statemttn to try to justify failed ideologies and hate towards others.

You forgot to mention that these undocumented workers aren't joining the US Military didn't you? Will you support every undocumented workers legal entry as a US citizen requiring a minimum of two years service in the military?

Didn't think so.

Any society who keeps slave community like GOP tyranny tried to have 12 million slaves will consequence this social moral fall and economic recession. It is time to free these 10-12 million 21st century version of slaves and let them join our society. No more GOP tyranny and enslavery!

Gotta love the Political action here.

I just love how the only people who own a business are right wing nut jobs.
I guess no-one from the socialist left run businesses and hire people. And the only people who have jobs are leftists because the right wing nut jobs have their jobs taken away from them by illegal aliens.
People who live in shadows only do so when they have broken laws. I don't see Osama Bin Laden living in a Penthouse in Dubai.
And to blame Bush-Cheney, LOL, heck why not, you don't respect the laws just like illegals, why not blame the opposition.
Oh, there's more I can write but blaming Bush, rabid righters, Corporate America, is just to funny it's scary.

Hey Patrick, you need to read these. http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64_cloturespeech.htm
http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64text.htm

Also, Pres. Reagan, was the last President to grant asylum.

Since then the Democrats and the Republicans have had total control of Congress and the Exe' Branch.

Also they have had mixed Congress and the Exe' Branch.

And if you think it was only the GOP voters that shut down the Hill in the last Admin', over the illegal immigration bill, with only the Republicans voting against illegal immigration then you need a better history lesson.

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Posted by: Patrick Mayer | April 9, 2009 1:15 PM
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1. From reading your post I surmise that: (1) you are not a native English Speaker; and/or (2) you are another failure of our wonderful public education system. Your writing is painful to read. None of it is untouched by rotten grammar and syntax. Please try harder to write better next time.
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2. You have made the same mistake commonly made by Don Fitzgerald. Both of you think that illegal aliens (who are NOT merely “undocumented workers”) are somehow enslaved. This is simply untrue. Slavery commonly refers to a condition of forced labor in which people are considered to be, or treated as, the property of others. That was certainly true when slavery was legal in this country. At a minimum, slavery refers to those situations in which one person owns the labor or services of another person. Regardless of which definition is used, illegal aliens are not enslaved. Illegal aliens have chosen to come to this country illegally, and they can choose to return to wherever they came from. They also have everyday choices concerning whether to work or not, and what work to do. Furthermore, they get paid for their work. The fact they own their labor and have choices when and where to work defies your use of slavery as a proper description of their condition.
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3. You also appear to have followed Don Fitzgerald into the dark as to who is to blame for the less than optimal conditions under which illegal aliens live in this country. Both of you seem to have forgotten (or never learned) that George W. Bush was one of the strongest proponents of Immigration reform during his terms in office. He was the one who pushed for a better guest worker program and a path to citizenship for the millions of illegal aliens here. We all know that Don Fitzgerald is just stuck on stupid. What’s your excuse?

springfield is wrong about "illegals" not joining the military.

They are very much in the military and have been awarded the highest medals.

Meanwhile, the slacker Gen Y American kids---where are they? Playing Grand Theft Auto?

Congress was panicked by the right wing phone banks who flooded the switchboard.

Much the way Congress was panicked by the same sort of clamor when it passed the ridiculous "90% tax" on AIG bonus money, special legislation if ever there were any, and probably unconstitutional.

Congress is essentially cowardly and its leadership is ineffectual as evidenced by the two examples cited.

However, times are way tougher now and people are more interested in their own mortgage foreclosure and living from paycheck to unemployment check: not a lot of spare time to try to cause trouble for the nanny, dishwasher, groundskeeper, waiter, etc.

So, this is a good time to put the bill through.

Obama will cement the Hispanic community to the Democratic Party for generations.

Can't let JohnW escape, either.

There are sweatshops in the US that use slave labor, literally. Every once in a while the DHS does something about it and gets some convictions.

Also there are in effect sex slaves, girls who are smuggled into the US and forced into the unspeakable. (That's not just confined to obscure towns in former Yugoslavia.)

Even in Chicago, in a bizarre twist, Mexican deaf mutes were enslaved and taken on the Red Line and to fast food restaurants and forced to beg by handing passengers or patrons printed solicitations.

That last one was really close to home, no?

Of course, John W probably does not ride the Red Line or eat at McDonalds and may have missed it.

So: literal slavery is a continuing reality in the US of A.

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Posted by: ornery | April 9, 2009 9:21 PM
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Ornery,
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You don’t keep me from “escaping” anything by stating the obvious. Your response addressed the situation of real slavery in this country (i.e. slavery the way I defined it in my reply.) Mr. Mayer, to whom I responded, made a reference to “12 million slaves” - which, in the context of the article, was an obvious reference to all illegal aliens. He was clearly not on the same wave length as you are. I can agree with you that slavery occurs, and that many of those held in slavery are illegal aliens, without also agreeing that 12 million illegal aliens are slaves simply because of their working conditions or pay rate. What you said was correct; what Mr. Mayer said was a gross exaggeration in the style of Don Fitzgerald.
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And, no, I do not ride the Red Line or eat at McDonalds. I wouldn’t know what the Red Line is if it fell on me.

Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth.

I'm not talking about environmental degradation and resource depletion. I'm talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.

I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled "Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America." To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy. Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight third world countries - India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China - as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050. It's absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that's impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It's also available at Amazon.com.)

Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don't know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, "Five Short Blasts"

John,

It seems whole your point is solely based on extreme right wing arrogance and ignorance. Imagine in this early 21st century period we have lost most of our democracy value and national reputation in most corners of world and instead filling it with war and economic recession that fueled with big defense contractors lobby and and big corporations shortsighted economic manipulations which crumbling all over from financial big corp's to autos. Your type of right wing people are bringing down this nation into hatred and social-economic recession like once every dozen years. Big complex social system like ours supposed to care its own common ground including people, immigrants, healthcare, education on the first priority rather than pumping US$700 billion into iraq war hence dropping ball on preceding aspects thus weakening social roots. You check "tent city in California" with google search and read and see those pictures carefully which common consequence of jobs done by you or your types.

In terms of economic damage actually we will make some great deal of money by legalizing those "slaves" that according to congressional economic committee whole legalization process could earn 5-10 billion dollars in short terms and much more in the long term. But this process very likely will affect positively on social development structures throughout the society.

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Posted by: Patrick Mayer | April 10, 2009 2:09 PM
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Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Patrick Mayer for clearly stating what needed to be said. I am particularly glad to know that some children were around today to read what he wrote. Not only was it authentic left-wing gibberish, it expressed the kind of refreshing confusion and mindlessness that is little seen in this day and age.
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(My apologies to Mel Brooks, Olson Johnson and the cast of “Blazing Saddles” for the paraphrase.)

Well said John hope something would help with that ignorance in the future.