Torture, 'presidential poison' and payback

President Obama is legitimately conflicted. Justice is not easy - and seeking justice resurrects pain. We have to follow the law - that is the fabric of our country. ..............

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/04/23/the-two-edged-sword-of-justice/

I have another date for you. January 1998. Start of the witch hunt for Clinton. Let's see....a BJ or torture...HMMMM>

Are we a nation of laws, or of personalities and political parties ? If previous administrations violated our laws, they must be exposed and tried. It is that simple. That means, whether they are Democrats, or Republicans !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

The Wall Street journal lost all credibility when Murdoch bought them. Now it's pretty much Fox News in print.

bill r, that witch hunt actually began on election day, Nov. 1992.

bill r, that witch hunt actually began on election day, Nov. 1992.

Posted by: Flo | April 23, 2009 1:15 PM

You're absolutely right Flo. They did the same this time starting on Obamas election day. They are blood thirsty partisans who could care less about country, and all about power. They cry the loudest when they lose.

The Repuglicans followed Bush and Cheney over the cliff on Iraq and now they're doing the same with Bush and Cheney's torture program. It's almost like they've completely given up on trying to win elections.
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/04/this_analogy_isnt_close_to.php

bill r,
"Republicans, I think you're confusing tyranny with losing"
-Jon Stewart
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http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Stewart_Fox_GOP_confuse_tyranny_with_0408.html

BUSH PROVES ROVE AND FOX ARE LYING ABOUT TORTURE
by Jed Lewison

Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

Over the past couple of days, Karl Rove and Fox News have offered a new argument in defense of the Bush administration's torture policies.

Now, they say, waterboarding Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) yielded intelligence that led to the disruption of an al Qaeda plot to attack the tallest building in Los Angeles, the Library Tower (which both Bush and Rove called the Liberty Tower, for some reason). There's just one problem with Rove's new story: it couldn't possibly be true.

As Timothy Noah pointed out in Slate, the Los Angeles attack was foiled in February of 2002. KSM was not captured until March of 2003, however -- more than a year later.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that timeline is impossible. Perhaps appropriately, then, here's a video of George W. Bush -- in his own words -- proving that Karl Rove and Fox News are lying about torture:

http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001220/

If it came to light that Cheney, Yoo, Addington, et al EACH had a "terrorist" brought into their office and murdered them in cold blood, would we still be hearing the Republican outrage?

I truly think we would.

It wasn't the Democrats who brought down Nixon, it was Barry Goldwater and the Republicans.

John McCain has got to be the BIGGEST hypocrite on this planet. He's admitted that waterboarding is torture. He WROTE the bill outlawing torture. Etc.

He now has the unmitigated audacity to say that we shouldn't be prosecuting these folks.

John. What would it take for you to say that they should be prosecuted?

As George Will has so astutely noted, politicians are such fascinating, paradoxical creatures. They are an elite that generally accomplish reams of mediocrity, if not indirect harm, all in the name of service to their constituent public.

So, let the inquisition begin. We will get to see how democrats handle this little post facto legal issue, as led by Patrick Leahy, a man who himself has always indicated a strong fondness for terrorists. democrats are, after all, like Job, morally just and upright, all about doing the right thing, now, and upholding the laws of America, now, except for some of those troublesome tax obligations that tend to nip at their back-door income.

American Idol comes to an end. American Inquisition needs to get underway. Who better, but the Left, to show America In Slumber, how those that only want to bring about our total absolute destruction, are not only misunderstood, but in fact have been so badly mistreated during their unlawful detainment. No other country provides entertainment quite so compelling.

Django, please don't quote George Will anymore. And why don't you believe in the rule of law?

Hola, Flo.

It wasn't a "Quote" quote, but I think that I got the essence of George Will's most excellent observation on the quality of people, democrat or Republican, that we entrust so much power to, in order that they may more effectively ruin our lives.

I do realize that in this case, Leahy is to u democrats, only doing the Lord's work. But Flo, listen to this jerk. There is nothing about him that indicates anything particularly brilliant is really going on. He is a partisan hack. That ain't so hard to see. This whole matter is partisan retribution. In seriousness, I really don't think that it is good for our country. I can admit to our (Wingnuts) disgust, in reference to your earlier comment, with respect to electing a draft dodger as president in 1992. Just never done that before. I can admit that me, fellow Wingnuts, other Republicans just were not quick to just suck it up and get on the bus in '92, but this back and forth made-up tales of crime and punishment does not really serve any real good purpose, and in the present moment it is just pit- bull mean spiritedness aimed at an ex-president and v.p. that you all hate so much, but proceed on anyway. I have a lot of confidence in the dim wit intellect of Senator Patrick Leahy, socialist democrat - Vermont to effectively prosecute this thing. Obama may end up putting himself in a box devoid of options.

In defense of George Will, he seemed to have been on the Obama bandwagon well before the matter was settled. I think that he was the owner-operator of the house, Rich Man mansion I'm sure, that Obama soiree-ed with after the election, to make friends with the conservatives. He's a Cubs fan, Chicago. I have had some fantastic Math teachers, but George Will has been a much more effective vocabulary instructor than any English teacher that I ever had. I still love the guy.

A very special P.L. awaits. Regards and Let The Inquisition Begin.

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A very special P.L. awaits. Regards and Let The Inquisition Begin.
Posted by: Django - N Exile somewhere in/around the 30th Parallel | April 23, 2009 6:10 PM
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Texas Clown,
Shouldn't you be off somewhere leading the cheers for Texas to succeed from the union with the rest of the Repub mouth breathers down there?

Ironically, the United States would be (politically) better off without Texas, making it near-impossible for Republicans to control much of anything in the 49-state union:

-- If Texas were not in the Union, the Democrats would currently have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate -- or at least they would once Al Franken gets seated. This is because, in a 98-seat Senate, only 59 votes would be required to break a filibuster.

-- If Texas were not in the Union, the Republicans would operate from a significantly weakened position in the House, since the net 8-vote advantage their congressional delegation gives them in the state (they have 20 seats to the Democrats' 12) is by far their largest.

-- If Texas were not in the Union, George W. Bush would never have become President in 2000 -- not because he'd be constitutionally ineligible (Bush, despite his Texas twang, was born in posh New Haven, Connecticut). Rather, he wouldn't have had enough Electoral Votes to defeat Al Gore.

-- If Texas were not in the Union, Barack Obama would have won the Electoral College 389-147 instead of 365-173 (note that there are two fewer votes total, because there would be two fewer Senators). The vast majority of Texas' electoral votes would be redistributed to lib'rul states like California (which would go from having 55 electoral votes to 59) and New York (34 rather than 31):

Ft. Hood, and it's $6 billion impact in central Texas, would be an economic boon to Detroit or any number of other economically depressed American regions. What, do the secessionists think they could keep those American military bases on their newly sovereign soil?

How about the $2.5 billion that NASA pumps directly into salaries of employees and contractors in the Houston area, not to mention anciliary economic benefits and the prestige of having one of the premier space facilities in the world? The American patriots in New Mexico would be more than happy to take that off Texas' hands!

You can keep Cornyn, however. And while DeLay has taken up residence in Virginia, maybe we could deport him and build a wall to keep him from sneaking back across the border?

PS - you can keep the Shrub family too.

The truly great Diana Krall sits at the piano on the Arena Theater’s revolving stage in a large Tx city circa 2005. As she applies her special magic on the opening chords of the truly great Gershwin classic “S’ Wonderful”, your rudimentary retrograde audience knucklehead shouts out: “I LOVE U DIANA”. Ms. Krall seamlessly improvises into a chord progression based entirely on the diminished scale. This is the musical scale that you would use when the democrats are just about to drive the train totally off the tracks, into the abyss below. As she runs out of piano, she softly says in the most dispassionate voice ever: “well, good luck with that”. The leftists, like John E. just naturally have that cockroach quality that has to come out. You are what u r, but somewhere out there has to be some kind of special help for you. Good luck with that.

Django, Diana's definitely great, and better in person than on CDs. But what your story has to do with leftists is beyond me.....I'm more like her than a cockroach.

Flo,

Larry Horse at 8:05 = John E., wild eyed, drive-by Leftists, of no real consequence to me. But hey, I got in my true, I was there, Diana Krall story. Diminished chords build, build, build tension. They don’t have a true root and therefore they don’t resolve. U don’t want to find yourself on the train or in the path of the train as the Dim. Chords pre-tell the next verse.

I'm telling u, Flo, Diana Krall took nonchalance and rejection to a whole nother level at least on that memorable night. Flo / Diana Krall, that’s it for me. U are an honorary pretty Latina +. Let there be Mercy. Tonight, if nothing else develops, there will be Diana Krall Live in Paris on the DVD.

Flo, I have an even better story, for another time, about Torture. The Torture-er is a pretty Latina in the non-classical, My Funny Valentine kind of realm. The torture-ee is, of course, me. She's got a pretty good Diana Krall rejection thing going on too. S’Wonderful.

For context, google Abu Ghraib photos and you will find the corpses and electrodes in plain sight.

Don't be fooled into thinking this is just about withholding evidence of "waterboarding". What they did was much worse than that.