Obama backers: 'Card check a gut check'

Freeing union elections from the clutches of the owners-management tag teams, is the essence of the EFCA !! The Employee Free Choice Act will allow the workers to organize without the owners-management terrorizing them and their families, if they choose to be unionized !! As long as the owners-management control the election process governing workers constitutional rights, to unionize, their rights will be trampled on and disregarded !! When America had many more union workers, America was the economic engine of the world !! Now, our unemployment numbers are up and our economy is down. Thanks, " Republicans ", for turning your back on the American worker and their families !!
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Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, America | May 7, 2009 1:16 PM

Don- even George McGovern opposes this nonsense... how radical could it be to not get his support?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124165379013293871.html

What else to expect? He'll use you, if you let him... that's how narcissists are.

But when you're no longer politically benefitial, the ruthless serial opportunist Obama will treat you like yesterday's garbage.

He even approaches the press, who lick his posterior, with contempt... hectoring them with "don't waste your question" and telling them when they've "got enough pictures".

Just ask Khalidi, Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Blagojevich, et. al... or any other former ally he kicked to the curb when he was done with them- and now treats like a leper he's never met.

Barack takes care of Barack- So "thanks for the donations, chumps"- this should be a learning experience for you.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

I never got why Obama backed this one and certainly don't agree with it. Yeah, I DO think that employees should have every right to form/join/keep a union if that's their choice, but it should NOT be done via a vote where the selection can be traced back to a particular person. That's not right! I'm on the side of those opposing Obama here.

I'm glad the Billionaires are upset. It shows exactly who would benefit the most by having the EFCA fail to pass.
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http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/article/2008/07/21/big-lie-being-spread-about-efca.html

Don give it a rest please! in the meantime, you got the daily body count numbers from Afghanistan?

Did you write a letter to Obama telling him to bring them home NOW, alive and whole?

I mean, if you're going to be one of his biggest supporter's (or are you just a republican hater) you better either get on board with his war or get him to bring them home alive and whole now!

As a retired union worker, I can speak from personal experience, of the intimidation factor from the owner-managers. They harass the workers and threaten their livelihood, if they even think of voting for a union. On such an important matter, why not take the time to research this issue ? It concerns millions of American workers. Don't take my personal experience, or my word on the matter, research the issue !! The Republicans have waged a war against unions for the last 35 years and the unions are still here. It is a good idea and a constitutional right that is being abridged by the controllers of the election process, governing the unionization of a given business !! America is at her best when workers have unions, to protect them from the whims of management and unfair labor practices !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

As a retired union worker, I can speak from personal experience, of the intimidation factor from the owner-managers. They harass the workers and threaten their livelihood, if they even think of voting for a union. On such an important matter, why not take the time to research this issue ? It concerns millions of American workers. Don't take my personal experience, or my word on the matter, research the issue !! The Republicans have waged a war against unions for the last 35 years and the unions are still here. It is a good idea and a constitutional right that is being abridged by the controllers of the election process, governing the unionization of a given business !! America is at her best when workers have unions, to protect them from the whims of management and unfair labor practices !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, America | May 7, 2009 4:47 PM

Your argument, when you say "I can speak from personal experience" ...Doesn't add up- if you were working in a union shop- how much intimidation could you have witnessed to unionize? What you are is a "union is the only answer" hack- that is willing to allow a minority (unions) to violate peoples rights to NOT choose a union ...
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The only constitutional right being abridged by this nonsense is the right to a secret ballot...
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I have worked for, managed, and owned businesses with both union and non-union workers for more than 25 years- I have never witnessed or have been part of even the slightest intimidation of union members- or for that matter, intimidation of non- union employees to not unionize. This is not to say that it never happens, but my money is on the side of it being a rare occurence. In fact - the only intimidation I have witnessed is union leaders to their own rank and file... political influence and power retention is about all union leaders are in the game for..

As a union member, I don't support EFCA. If a group of employees want to unionized they are free to do so now. I have helped organize union locals in the past, and have found some employees to be just as bad as some managers on intimidating other employees, who do not want to join a union. There is federal laws in place already to allow employees to form a union. I have never seen management terrorizing them or their family's. Not saying it has never happened, but that is a good way to end up in jail. The biggest problem I see is ignorance, on both sides not knowing the rules. Management is always going to tell you that the union is going to bankrupt the company, just like they do at negotiations, it is part of the game of negotiations. I have also seen unions that are not worth the dues you pay. I personally like being in the union, and don't understand why a lot more people don't, but have seen and heard it myself from a large amount of employees that have no desire to be in a union.

I'll only remind those that think the owners-management rarely employ intimidation, as a means to prevent workers from unionizing, to look at the history of labor, in America. Take a quick course in labor history in this country and you will read of the owners' hiring of goon squads to kill and cripple workers, who had the courage to fight for their constitutional rights ! You will read of the worker's struggle to enact laws against child labor, for 8 hour work days, and 5 day work weeks. Just to name a few of the benefits the workers had to fight, tooth and nail, to wrest from, those, oh, so generous and gentle owners !! These were hard fought concessions from the owner-management-goons. They weren't conceded by the generosity of the owners-management-goons. Many women and men were beaten and killed for workers to be treated fairly, in the workplace, in AMERICA !! Where do you think holidays came, from God, up above !! No, the workers fought for them !! Now, the owners have moved the good jobs overseas, or to other countries and the American worker is suffering, because greed rules the roost. Now, the greedy ones are wondering what to do, to get our economy back on track !! Bring back the good-paying manufacturing jobs, pay workers an honest days pay and limit your profit taking to a, not too greedy, 5-10% ! I know that is a pipe dream, but stranger things have happened !! Look at the moron that has just exited our White House !! That was about the strangest occurrence, I have ever witnessed and he was re-elected !! So, America is full of surprises and one of them may be, good jobs will return to America and workers will, again, enjoy the right to unionize with out the owners-managers threatening them, if they want to chose a union !!
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Yeah, evertyone knows employers NEVER EVER try an intimidate employees who want to unionize. No employee has ever been fired as result of their pro union activities. Management is always innocent of such things, They love their employees and only want what's best for them. Corporate managers are selfless individuals who will happily sacrifice their own gain for the good of the common worker.

Unions, however are entirely made up of scary, scary thugs, who hate the employees. They always , always intimidate them. Everyone knows that's the only reason anyone joins a union. Union mangers are in it for themselves and will actively work against the ecommon workers interest at all times.

We must keep control of the unionization process where it belongs, firmly in the hands of kindly, benevolent, selfless corporate, management and out of the hands of the workers and the nasty mean union thugs.

Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, America | May 8, 2009 9:05 AM

Posted by: Corporate Schill | May 8, 2009 9:43 AM

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Are you seriously arguing that the best solution to ( in your view) a bad situation is to remove the fundamental right of an individual to vote privately?
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And do you seriously think that the best solution to labor vs management disputes is to always bring in an arbitrator who has limited knowledge of either sides point of view...?
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the only people that seriously support this are either politicians already bought and paid for by unions, or tunnel visioned drones like yourselves..

This bill will only open the door to deception, harassment, or worse actions. Reaching out to your elected officials is the best way to defeat this. I was on the US Chamber's site and found this letter you can send to the folks in Congress if you have a spare moment: http://capwiz.com/friendsoftheuschamber/issues/alert/?alertid=12426031. We need to make sure every worker has the freedom to choose what's best for themselves and their families.

Are you seriously suggesting that the best place for a union election, is in that place of business, where the owners and managers control the voting apparatus !!? That is like those morons down south, who controlled the voting apparatus, when African-Americans wished to vote ! They sure had an easy time of it, didn't they !!? You can throw all of those loaded words any where you want, it doesn't change the fact, that owners-managers controlling the voting apparatus, discourage honest and free elections. That is a proven fact. Do your research, if you are sincerely interested in the plight of the worker in America, under the " Republican " onslaught against the unions !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

And do you seriously think that the best solution to labor vs management disputes is to always bring in an arbitrator who has limited knowledge of either sides point of view...?
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Posted by: heartburn | May 8, 2009 11:18 AM

No heartburrn, like you I believe the best solution to labor management disputes is to fire all the workers that have a problem if they dare complain. Management is always right anyway, so why arbitrate? Crush the workers, destroy the unions, give management full, unrestricted power, and there won't be any disputes any more. It will be the workers paradise, once the worker learns to take what management offers, and to never question it. Arbitration assumes that what the workers position is worth consideration, and we both know that is not the case.

Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, America | May 8, 2009 2:56 PM

I guess I should take that as a yes to eliminating the dignity of a private vote....

Progressive thought on display-wow.

Arbitration assumes that what the workers position is worth consideration, and we both know that is not the case.

Posted by: Corporate Schill | May 8, 2009 2:57 PM

Mr Schill -- all the arbitration rule means is that the law does not have confidence in either side of a dispute being able to come to a solutin together...

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Unions can strike to apply leverage...at a cost to it's members ability to earn while they are striking..

Management can hire temporary workers at a cost to productivity and ultimately profit..

The negotiation process only works if both sides that have a vested interest in the solution - arbitration is the legal equivalent of splitting the baby in half..