Obama 'shocked, outraged:' Doc-slaying

This is not the right way to accomplich anything. Abortion was a service that Dr. Tiller provided, but what about breast cancer screenings, pap smears, and numerous other treatments that may have saved many women's lives.

I personally am against the act of abortion, but do believe in "basic" abortion rights. I do think "late-term" abortions should be banned. Except when the physical life of the woman is in danger.

But the use of terrorist tactics, and especially murder, must be condemned by even the staunchest of "Right-to-Lifers".

I pray his family will find peace in this difficult time.

The Catholic church might do well to include him in the "Prayers of Faithful" at Mass next week. That would at least show some class after the self-righteous embarassment that some Catholics displayed during the Obama-Notre Dame appearance.

As a Catholic myself, I have always been toaught to "hate the sin, love the sinner", it's about time the Church practices what it preaches.

Looks like the conservative terrorist cells are active in the US.

The authorities need to 'not torture' this guy and find out whom is really pulling the strings in this domestic terrorist attack. The Taliban, Al Qaeda and the fundy Christians in America are natural allies in this issue.

I think the person who shot Dr. Tiller is not only a despicable person but also a huge hypocrite. If he sees an abortion as taking a life, how can he justify killing someone?? I believe a woman has the unalienable right to decide what she chooses to do with her body. I personally could not abort a baby but it's MY choice - not anyone elses's.,.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/772/Debunking-CarterRucks-defense-of-Iraqi-billionaire-tied-to-Rezko-and-Obama.aspx

this too is shocking, why hasn't the Trib reported on this???

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/772/Debunking-CarterRucks-defense-of-Iraqi-billionaire-tied-to-Rezko-and-Obama.aspx

this too is shocking, why hasn't the Trib reported on this???

Tiller got paid back for what he did to thousand of innocent babies. Obama never said squat about those little innocents. He was too busy listening to the "Hate Whitey" speeches of the Racist Reverand Jeremiah Wright. How fitting, killed in a church and then a fast express elevator to the eternal fires of damnation. Good riddance. His wife and family and the rest of that congregation were enablers to the killing of thousands of innocents. Don't look for any tears over here, it was long long overdue. Peace will happen only when you stop killing thousands of innocents by late term abortions.

The President should be equally shocked over the polarization that issues like abortion have done to what's left of the U.S. With one attempt on his life in the '90's and the on-again, off-again seige of his clinic a few years earlier by Operation Rescue and other groups, a violent death was in the cards for Dr. Tiller.

It's time for a little leadership from the White House, We didn't get very much of anything during a good portion of the second term of President Obama's predecessor. "Shock" and "outrage" are expected, how about some words to heal by, Prez?

I hope the SS around BHO have their radar on. These right wing pogroms have a way of metastasizing in a hurry.
Anybody know the whereabouts of Jane Dee and Teri?
Their movements and conversations need to be monitored. After all, if they don't have anything to hide they don't need to worry, right?

Operation Rescue = Sinn Fein = IRA

I don't condone the killing of this guy but do find it funny about OH Bama.

If you are pro-life, then the words from the president are rather humorous.....
"they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.''

If you are Pro-Life...then every day acts of abortion are heinous acts of violence. You know...all these dudes like REV. Al Sharpton, REV. Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan....all these dudes religions are against abortion...but you sure don't hear them EVER speak out about it. Gutless....if they did, maybe the "heinous acts of violence occuring to the unborn would radically slow....Oh, wait, they don't want that...now why IS that?

"How fitting, killed in a church and then a fast express elevator to the eternal fires of damnation."

Posted by: Payback Is A Mother | May 31, 2009 7:42 PM

You, nor any other human, has the right to say who is condemned "to the eternal fires of damnation."

That it is what some of you conservatives just don't get. You are the ones who do not have faith in God, or the forgiving powers of Christ and His love for ALL of us. All you can do is shout, and condemn. As if you are have a monopoly on righteousness, and have never sinned yourselves. You might want to move out of those glass houses. All those stones you throw are bound to ruin your foundations.

To the ignorant cowards who condon this behavior. What comes around, goes around, HARD! The American Taliban can and WILL be eradicated.

While what was done to Tiller was wrong and not a way to solve the problem, I do get a kick out of Obama being "shocked and outraged," and the reaction from the typical loons on the left. While there is no excusing Tiller's murder, there also is no excusing what Tiller did either. Tiller regularly aborted babies in their seventh, eighth and ninth months, and those babies were aborted no matter what the reason. So the Left and Obama get all their feathers ruffled over Tiller's murder, but him killing thousands of babies apparently was just jim dandy. Tiller committed genocide. Murdering him was not the answer. But his death also is no great loss.

What else is new? Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent and the Religious Right certainly fits that bill.

BHO just lost one who performs one of his "sacrements" ! I sincerely hope it does not wreck his memory of his $24,000.00 date last night!

I repost here what I wrote on another site:

What sickens me the most is that the pro-lifers don't give a d--m about the *reasons* for almost all late-term abortions. Which is, that the health or even life of the mother might be endangered. What about being pro *her* life? And another reason is that severe deformities are diagnosed on the fetus - what would be the reason to continue the pregnancy if it can't result in a baby which can live; or live without the most painful debilitations and often for a short while? And added to that, nobody makes this choice as easy as selecting a menue for dinner!

But no, you never hear those arguments. Conservatives are incapable of dealing with contexts, with any issue. And with empathy (ugggh, that terrible word...).

Wrong solution to a grave problem

Pro-lifers are hypocrites.

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Posted by: Payback Is A Mother | May 31, 2009 7:42 PM
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Whatever happened to:
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“‘Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, …” or:
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“Repay no one evil for evil …”, or:
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“so far as it depends upon you, live peaceably with all …”, or:
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“… never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God …”?
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(See Matthew 5:44 and Romans 12: 17-19.)
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In addition, the willful taking this man’s life was murder. Do you remember, “Thou shalt not kill”? (Exodus 20: 13; Deuteronomy 5: 17.) You also know that murder is against the law, and that believers are enjoined to obey the laws of their civil government? (See Romans 13: 1-2; 1 Peter 2: 13-14.)
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I can agree with you that abortion is wrong, and that this man did wrong by performing abortions. However, I cannot go that last mile with you as you seek to justify his murder as some form of righteous revenge. It is no such thing, and there is no such thing. Revenge, if at all, was for God alone. In taking the opposite view, you violate many of the basic teachings of the Christian faith. In which case, your self-righteousness and religious pretensions are both wretched and hypocritical.

I wonder if the murderer realizes that this was the ultimate "late term" abortion.

"Shocked and outraged" like Hitler was after the Reichstag fire.

I'm on the far right but abhor the murder of this child killer.

The left uses every incident like this to lump all republicans together and bash away.

The rationale used for killing a child killer is that more lives will be saved than the one taken by stopping the individual from killing more babies.

Violence is not the answer. I say that we dedicate every baby murdered in the next 24 hours to the memory of Dr. Tiller. The blood of the innocents will appease the outrage of Obama.

How disgusting that this man was killed and even more disgusting that someone would kill him in a Church. It is the Church that wants to demonize abortion because it is murder, well what was this? Does the Church speak for God? I don't think so, I think the law does a better job.

"However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion,'' the president said, "they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence.''

Yeah. Violence like ABORTION!

"I am personally opposed to killing abortionists. However, inasmuch as my personal opposition to this practice is rooted in a sectarian (Catholic) religious belief in the sanctity of human life, I am unwilling to impose it on others who may, as a matter of conscience, take a different view.
Of course, I am entirely in favor of policies aimed at removing the root causes of violence against abortionists. Indeed, I would go so far as to support mandatory one-week waiting periods, and even nonjudgmental counseling,
for people who are contemplating the choice of killing an abortionist.
I believe in policies that reduce the urgent need some people feel to kill abortionists while, at the same time, respecting the rights of conscience of my fellow citizens who believe that the killing of abortionists is sometimes a tragic necessity-not a good, but a lesser evil. In short, I am moderately
pro-choice." quote from R. P. G.

My gosh, where is this world headed? What this person did was horrible. THis is no different than what Tiller has been doing for all of these years. Killing innocent babies. This is NOT the right way to go about it. As a society we need to come together and pray for both sides. This is not the way this was intended.

God help us all.

I lived in Wichita during the 1991 protest at Dr. Tiller's clinic. Lasted over a month; I think over 3,000 were arrested.

One night, I went down to see what it was all about. Never in your life will you observe the foul-mouthed verbal abuse coming from those christians.

Wichita has always been a hotbed of right-wing bigotry. Whether against Blacks or homosexuals or religeous moderates or Mexicans, they thrive on the right-wing fundamental: "find someone who isn't like us, spew as much hatred as possible, and then claim you're doing it for God."

Par for the course with the "pro-life" movement. They're all trying to project their religious beliefs onto others... some just take it farther than others.

The murderer was murdered, How ironic!!!

I don't condone killing someone unless that killing saves the lives of others. In this case it is justified and I believe the man who pulled the trigger carefully though out the optoins. He sacrificed his future freedom for the lives of our children.

The violence of frightened people will rage on for awhile. These are the people who are unable to assimilate into the new and changing world. 20th Century religious and political fundamentalism is in decline. There are those who will fight to maintain their philosophy - but the power of the movement is gone. .........

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/05/28/the-rise-and-fall-of-20th-century-fundamentalism/

Fortunately for this doctor he is being judged by only one capable of judging. Hate the sin...not the sinner.

Payback is a Mother:

The Secret Service wants to speak with you.

Turn yourself in at the nearest Federal Building.

Is Abortion murder?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=5407

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I failed to understand how people can justify the murder of this doctor. The religious right in the US is what the Taliban is all about: intolerance, fanatism and the arrogance to believe that they have any right to decide on a woman body.

while this isn't the way to handle a dreadful situation, perhaps the blood of all those innocent babies had spoken.

But his death also is no great loss.

Posted by: John D | May 31, 2009 8:32 PM

You are such a coward, JD. I'd like to see you say that "face to face" to his wife, 4 kids, and 10 grand kids.

Oh, that's right, you wouldn't have the guts.

"Shocked and outraged" like Hitler was after the Reichstag fire.

Posted by: Admiral Farragut | May 31, 2009 9:12 PM

Yep!! And George W (Adolph) Bush was following his master, Der Furher, with the "Shock and Awe" of March 2003.

Apparently the church this baby killer was attending wasn't much of a church if he could attend there and not feel the condemnation of the wholly spirit of his actions. A person can be known by the fruits of the spirit and it is apparent that this guys every day practice of murdering babies was by no way the acts of a christian & true follower of God. The eternal fire is what the bible says that evil doers have instore. I wouldn't want to have been in this guys shoes today when he arrived in the after life.

Thank GOD. Yeah. That's what I said. THANK GOD. Who ARE these people, that are shedding their tears for a MASS MURDERER? Somebody wrote that, 'abotions were only ONE of the services his clinics provided'. So we should overlook the INFANTICIDE that he was engaged in, and concentrate on the PAP Smears? (Yeah, I know that Hitler killed JEWS, but that was only one of the 'services' he provided) This 'thing', this 'creature', that was TILLER the KILLER, was an ABOMINATION. And the idea that his REIGN of TERROR on the most INNOCENT of Gods' Creations, came at a CHURCH, is perfect justice. That any church would even let this FIEND inside, is disgusting. How DARE he bring his soulless FILTH, and his hands, soaked with the BLOOD of INNOCENT CHILDREN, in to a house of GOD. This is a WONDERFUL DAY. How fitting, that our INFANTICIDE President, would be "outraged". He, who votes to leave babies, who have SURVIVED the BUTCHERS' attempt to MURDER them, in the GARBAGE to DIE, alone and in pain.

A question for all those pro-life defenders of this act........Do you also condon murdering all the women who used this doctors service? They were not forced to do so. Or how about those that may have played a part in giving advise to these women? How many do you think should be murdered for your pro-life stance?

I'm as anti-abortion as many other evangelical Christians, but this kind of action is NOT consistent with what we believe or we preach. Two wrongs most assuredly do not make a right.

I don't understand why its OK to kill a doctor but use a condom or the morning after pill you will rot in Hell. Common sense working together to reduce abortions that is what we need to do. Why don't we have the morning after pill on every counter in every drugstore in America. The morning after pill stops the egg from being fertilized. That means no baby no baby no murder no abortion no doctor no controversy. If the stopping of abortions was the number one goal and nothing else then we can start reducing Abortions now. If the number one goal is the elimination of all premarital sex then say so. If stopping Abortion is the number one goal the we need to take steps to reduce unwanted pregnancies. Use common sense to reduce abortions I'm Catholic and I understand both sides very well. Why is it OK to murder somone but not OK to use contraceptives I missed that passage in the Bible that said using contraceptives is against Gods laws.

Posted by: Timothy L. Pennell | June 1, 2009 8:58 AM

One scary dude. Praise Allah terrorist!

Let me get this straight....

You're pro-life, but you get to choose WHO'S life?!! Get back to church and leave your guns at home this time.

"I don't condone killing someone unless that killing saves the lives of others. In this case it is justified and I believe the man who pulled the trigger carefully though out the optoins. He sacrificed his future freedom for the lives of our children."

Posted by: Mick | May 31, 2009 10:12 PM

Then you're just as guilty as he is...

Terrorist sympathizer.

This is what it means to live in a "Christian nation."

The laws don't matter, the Constitution doesn't matter, even other citizens of the same religion who do not agree with the vehement hatred of non-extremists don't matter.

All that matters is forcing other people to live according to extremist religious principles.

Otherwise you will be hounded, attacked, and assassinated.

Welcome to America!

"I don't condone killing someone unless that killing saves the lives of others.
Posted by: Mick | May 31, 2009 10:12 PM

Yeah...That's exactly how Al-Qaeda and other jihadists feel about the injustice to other muslims. Welcome...who's your Mullah?

It is wrong to kill the innocent. This is basic morality. Philosophically, scientifically, no pro-abortion person has ever been able to tell exactly when a "human life" is deemed to start. It's all a matter of personal, arbitrary conjecture. To be morally safe then, given the gravity of the issue (the possibility we are actually sanctioning - through legalization of abortion - murder, why don't we as a nation outlaw the practice of abortion, including in its most gruesome aspects of late-term abortion? Isn't it what common sense or wisdom would dictate in a situation when there is so much disagreement on the issue? Mr. Obama needs to bring peace and healing to this land, not pay lip-service to the low consideration we have come to have of the defenseless, innocent babies. Children at any stage of their development are creatures of God, which means that fundamentally they are endowed with inalienable rights by their Creator. Human beings do not "own" them, and therefore cannot dowhat they please of them. It's not like owing a car. It's more than mere matter we are dealing with here. Babies once conceived have a right to exist independendently of their genitors' wishes or whims. Then, once they are granted their fundamental right to exist, to be given the gift of life whom we all value so much for ourselves by the way, they can be given for adoption if their parents do not want to or cannot take care of them. There are many peaceful resolutions possible for unwanted pregnancies. To kill an innocent being (If only to entertain the possibility), to make him suffer and lose his/her life just because two people made a mistake sleeping together without any protection, is not right. The child is not responsible, nor should it be held responsiblefor this "mistake". Again, peaceful, selfless, compassionate solutions do exist. They represent a good compromise for all parties involved, that is for a truly civil society, which we are not any longer.

Oh great. Talk about hypocritical; a pro-liver killing an abortionist. What we really need to make this even better is to give the killer a death sentence.

Oh I hate liver!

I don't condone killing someone unless that killing saves the lives of others. In this case it is justified and I believe the man who pulled the trigger carefully though out the optoins. He sacrificed his future freedom for the lives of our children.

Posted by: Mick | May 31, 2009 10:12 PM

What a warped concept. You can't play a "numbers game" with life. Murder is murder!! There is no justification. There are no "amendments" to the 10 Commandments. It doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill" (oh, except for this, this or that).

And, how exactly will this murder save one single life? The clinic will still be open. Or women will be able to just go to numerous others. There is always someone to take the place.

But where everyone gets the abortion issue wrong comes down to the "where does life begin" argument. The question in our free society should be: Where does the Constitution specifically say at what point someone becomes a "citizen", therefore, having all the rights and protections of the Constitution?

The only slight referrence where "birth" is mentioned is in the first rule to becomng president. "A natural BORN citizen". It doesn't say a natural "conceived" citizen. So, obviously, the founding fathers didn't think conception meant you should be considered a citizen.