House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has had her last word on what the CIA told her about waterboarding. Photo by Susan Walsh / AP
by Mark Silva
What would you care to bet that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who said today that she has said all that she is going to say about the CIA lying to her, has not uttered the last word on the subject?
The speaker is done speaking about the saga in which the CIA briefed her about its "enhanced interrogation'' tactics for captured terrorists in September of 2002 but did not tell her that people already had been waterboaded -- as she would have it. The CIA maintains she was briefed on the waterboarding. The speaker has said the CIA is lying.
But others aren't likely to stop talking about it -- chief among them the former speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, Republican from Georgia, who appears inclined to make life uncomfortable for the Democrat from California. Gingrich will go toe to toe with Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) on NBC News' Meet the Press on Sunday.
In Fall 2002, Pelosi was ranking Democrat on the Intelligence Committee. She has insisted that she was briefed on the legality of waterboarding, a simulated drowning that was used dozens of times in the interrogation of three detainees, but was not told that it had been done. She maintains she learned that it had happened the next year.
Pelosi may be done talking about it, but the Republicans aren't. The National Republican Congressional Committee's Ken Spain is calling the speaker a political liability: "Her obsession with the previous administration and her disdain for America's intelligence officials has reduced her to cheerleader status within the far-left wing of her party and a distraction to the substantive debate over how to best move our economy forward.''
For the record, these were Pelosi's "last" words on the matter:
(Sen. Dick Durbin and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich photos by Alex Wong / Getty Images / for NBC News' Meet the Press.)
"Madame Speaker,'' she was asked at a news conference today, House Minority Leader John Boehner "has said produce evidence that you were misled or apologize. CIA Director Panetta has said that, you know, the CIA is not in the practice of misleading Congress. What are you...
"I have made the statement that I'm going to make on this,'' Pelosi said. "I don't have anything more to say about it. I stand by my comment. And what we are doing is staying on our course, and not be distracted from it in this distractive mode. We're going forward in a bipartisan way for jobs, health care, energy for our country.
"And I -- on the subject that you asked, I've made the statement that I'm going to make. I won't have anything more to say about....
Followup question: "Should the CIA offer to...
Pelosi: "I won't have anything more to say about it.''
Questions: Madame Speaker?... Madame Speaker?
Pelosi: "Another subject?''
Not likely.









Comments
No mention in the article of Pelosi's three (or more) different stories on this. For example, her first story that she was never briefed; her second story that her aide was briefed, but the aide didn't tell her, her third story that she WAS briefed but the briefers lied to her ......
Guess the Democrats want that inconvenient truth dropped down the memory hole. And their media accomplices are more than willing to help.
Posted by: Speaking Truth to Power | May 22, 2009 4:58 PM
Go for it Republicans!
Let's have a full on torture/war crimes investigation...
First of all, whether Pelosi knew or didn't know anything doesn't matter and second, even if you did find something, who the heck cares. As much as you hate it, Torture and War Crimes are not a partisan issue (like the Bill Clinton/Monica saga was).
I can only imagine how many Republicans would get caught up in an all out torture investigation. Don't forget, that after 2000, these Republicans are the "elections have consequences" guys that we're talking about here. The Feds in DC would have to build a whole new prison just to hold all of the newly convicted GOPer politicians.
Posted by: DrainYou | May 22, 2009 5:13 PM
Pelosi (and most Dems) was all for EIT after 9/11, all rah, rah, rah and gun-ho to get the bad guys, now the hypocrite is appalled! She was briefed, we all know it, only now she is the one lying. To accuse the CIA of lying to her (and Congress) is a serious charge and now she is involved in stonewalling and cover-up of the facts. Mark, how could you not mention that she came to her news conference with a few Democrat "puppets", like a detail of Secret Service agents, to protect her from the press and create a disingenuous atmosphere. It was as Nixon reappeared to call Watergate a 3rd rate burglary. Do you think the MSM would let Bush pull a stunt like this. The Dems. opened this Pandora's Box and now that it has become their folly and embarrassment they want to close it. Go Cheney, at least he has truth on his side and America knows it.
Posted by: bubba Porter | May 22, 2009 6:40 PM
Just like everything else they touched, BushCo promoted CIA officials who are Professional Liars
Remember, this was during the era of Porter Goss and the CIA sex and bribery scandal that swept out some of W's appointees.
So now the GOP is trying to redeem these guys? How did Goss avoid prison? Plea bargain? And now he is shocked that anyone would imply they were deceitful?
Cheney is going down!
Its starting to happen. After all of those war protest marches, it's starting to happen. We all knew these guys were comitting war crimes. Cheney can go on all the tee vee shows he wants to claim he saved the country from another attack, but it won't matter. Cheney is going down!
Posted by: yabba dabba doo | May 22, 2009 6:57 PM
Let's have the full "Truth Commission". Make sure it goes back to this country's redention of "detainees" to Egypt for interigation.
As far as Sunday, Newt will rip little Senator Eddie Haskel a new one.
Posted by: Terry | May 22, 2009 7:03 PM
The Swamp often cites factcheck.org about the truth behind a politician's statements. Here's what they have to say:
"Pelosi's Tortured Denials
May 21, 2009
The facts behind the speaker's changing story about her knowledge of CIA waterboarding.
Summary
Speaker Pelosi said in February that she was "never" told that the CIA was using waterboarding in interrogations. Then in May she changed her story to say she was told, but still claimed it was not quite as early as the CIA said.
On that point she's contradicted, however, both by a CIA memo and by a Republican former congressman who got the same briefing she did. The current CIA director, a Democrat, says his agency's story, though not infallible, is "the most thorough information we have."
Prominent Republicans, including former Speaker Gingrich, are saying that Pelosi should step down because of this.
Who's right? It is clear that Pelosi has contradicted herself, and that she knew as early as 2003 that waterboarding was in use, long before she raised any public or private objection."
Posted by: Speaking Truth to Power | May 22, 2009 7:05 PM
What an outrage!. This women is an elected official, and she owes the American people an explanation. This needs to be fully investigated. And if she refuses she should be forced to resign immediately. If this is "H"'s idea of transparency, I got news for him,
get some guts and live up to your campaign promises.
Posted by: Paul | May 22, 2009 10:25 PM
Mark, just a note to keep your files of facts current (and the lefties, of course); Article 97 of the Third Geneva Convention provides that "prisoners of war shall not be in any case be transferred to any penitentiary establishment...to undergo disciplinary punishment therin." I believe that if Obama adheres to the Geneva Convention (as in the military field manual so highly referenced by lefties and the MSM) all US prisons fail to qualify for a proper detention area. Well, maybe he could just issue a "waiver", those are always handy, or create some obtuse name to alter the reality of fact, which is usually acceptable for the lefties and the international community. Hope this hidden gem does not make it rain on the parade of hypocrisy.
Posted by: bubba Porter | May 22, 2009 11:36 PM
I have a pretty strong feeling if Peloooni was a Republican, Mark Silva would not be giving up on the story, would have Swamp item day after day and would not let Pelooni have nothing "more to say." Is that about, right, Mark? I mean here we are more than six months after the election and Silva still writes nearly daily about Sarah Palin. But when it comes to his Democratic friends, Mark Silva's favorite words are" how can I help cover up your bad deeds?"
Posted by: John D | May 22, 2009 11:55 PM
More proof that Republicans are lying....again.
More Errors Found in CIA Chart Detailing Congressional Briefings on Harsh Interrogations (Torture)
PAMELA HESS
AP News
May 20, 2009 18:36 EST
New questions surfaced Wednesday about the accuracy of a CIA document meant to settle who in Congress knew about severe interrogation methods approved by the Bush administration.
Three new errors appeared to emerge in the CIA's matrix of 40 congressional briefings on so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. Those techniques include waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning, which President Barack Obama has called torture.
The CIA acknowledged one of the errors but continued to stand by its version of events in the other two cases.
The briefing chart, widely leaked to the news media two weeks ago, was compiled by the CIA at the request of members of Congress after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi claimed in April that the CIA failed to tell her at a September 2002 briefing that waterboarding had been used against a prisoner.
That briefing occurred within weeks of the waterboarding of terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah. He was subjected to the procedure at least 83 times.
Pelosi has been a frequent target of criticism from Republicans who are eager to argue that Democrats knew about waterboarding and did little to stop it.
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/05/more_errors_in_cia_interrogation_briefing_list.php?ref=fpb
Posted by: former Republican | May 23, 2009 12:19 AM
Pelosi is nothing more than distraction, red herring, call-it-what-you-will, being thrown out there by the usual Rethuglican buffoons. She has nothing whatsoever to do with the core question: Did we torture? If we did, who authorized it? The Republican noise machine has successfully distracted the ever-so-simple Corporate Media into devoting far too much time to Nancy Pelosi, when the focus rightfully ought to be on Cheney and his evil minions. Reminds me of the huge kerfuffle over Junior Bush and his National Guard record. The whole discussion was re-directed by the R's into the authenticity of the documents presented on 60 Minutes. I saw the original program, and that NG Colonel's secretary said then, "I don't believe these documents are real, but the sentiments expressed in them certainly are." Somehow, the R's turned the corner, and the issue, into authenticity, and in the end, Dan Rather resigned. This is the same sort of distraction. Nancy Pelosi doesn't have a damn thing to do with this, Cheney does and he's scared to death right now, as he should be.
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http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/05/reporters_gettin_played.php
Posted by: Speaking Truth to Power - Teresa | May 23, 2009 2:01 AM
I find it hilarious the way the Republicans go off everytime they hear names like Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton etc.
It's like a Pavlov's dog reaction. Mention one of the "forbidden names" and the Wingnut minions automatically stand up on their hind legs and start barking. And most of the time they don't even know what they're barking about but they still can't help themselves.
The Republican overlords (Gingrich, Cheney, Rove, Hannity, Limbaugh etc) have trained their little dittoheads well.
Posted by: sawdust | May 23, 2009 4:43 AM
The outrage lies with the Bush-Cheney tag team, that lied our nation into a stupid and tragic war, with 5000 of our finest dead and tens of thousands maimed and disabled !! Where are the " truth-seekers " hounding Bush and Cheney, on their lying roles in the bloodbath in Iraq !!? Speaker Pelosi has a record of honesty and dependability that is certainly, far and away, superior, to either Bush or Cheney's records !! Let's look into their records concerning the Vietnam War. then, you will see liars in action: Bush and Cheney !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.
Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, America | May 23, 2009 9:17 AM
So now no one cares that the CIA has lied to congress, quite a charge and very illegal....and Pelosi is complicit.
WHO are stopping the investigations again????????
Posted by: UnfrozenCavegirlBlogger | May 23, 2009 10:46 AM
Sawdust, do we conservatives stand up on our hind legs and start barking just like you Lefty Loons go ape at the mere mention of Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Palin, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, Libby, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al? I mean all one has to do is look in the Swamp here or any blog in which a Leftwing Loon posts and all one will find is hate 24/7 about those folks even if the item isn't about any of them!
Oh and alleged "former Republican," seems to me a little over a week ago, Liberal Democrat Leon Panetta released a memo that said the CIA was telling the truth and Peloooni was properly briefed. Even the White House said as much.
Lefty Loons = the world's dumbest and worst that mankind has to offer.
Posted by: John D | May 23, 2009 12:14 PM
This Democrat administration is a complete scam. All you lefties out
there when in four years your worse
off then at any other time of your life you be even sorrier that you voted for this socialist regime. They've promised the moon but the are not able to deliver. Their like a traveling medicine show, selling some magic remedy that's going to fix all the problems of the world, the sad part is that "Hussaine" believes his press clippings. Its all a bad joke being played on the American public.
Posted by: Paul | May 23, 2009 3:27 PM
As far as Sunday, Newt will rip little Senator Eddie Haskel a new one.
Posted by: Terry | May 22, 2009 7:03 PM
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Terry, hope that you saw this one. Newt disassembled this guy. Durbin made the mistake of assuming that Newt is all partisan talk and not a person who does have a consistent ideology and character. Dicky Durbin had his little out-of-context talking points that he tried to use to ambush Newt. All Newt did was cut him to shreds, relying primarily on a good memory. Newt has a political philosophy that is consistent and based on some sort of logical reasoning. The average democrat can not compete with that, certainly not Dicky Dubin. He could feign outrage and that was about it.
Newt took the training wheels off Durbin's tricycle, filled the bearings with clams, and handed it back. Durbin is NO match for the Newt. democrats, do yourself a favor and don't let this little leftist get loose during his recess period to face the Newt. It was an intellectual mis-match, spared only by the need to move on to the next question.
Posted by: Django - N Exile somewhere in/around the 30th Parallel | May 26, 2009 1:40 PM