Obama Hawaiian-born, Hawaii insists

In a equisitely designed plan, a man, fully formed, sprung from the womb of some anonymous bi-ped homo sapien like animal somewhere in the heart of the African continent on or around August 1961. This fully formed entity, wasting no time, immediately got to an intercontinental phone connection and, for reason that would only be fully understood nearly 5 decades later, called a newspaper office in Hawaii. Having accomplished this relatively daunting feat, the entity then somehow managed to teleport itself to the presence of an American female, at the time married to a Kenyan man and brainwash both of them into believing they had just conceived an offspring. The entity, while doing this, morphed itself into the form of a newborn baby. All the while the entity was plotting ways to, some four decades later, insure the election of a two term governor from Texas who was controlled by a cardiac-challenged political mastermind with ties to corrupt energy and defense contract businesses. It all has to be true. Stuff this wierd you couldn't make up.
Seriously watching the GOP foster this type of propaganda is like watching a train wreck. You know is just horrific, but you can't look away.

Liddy, a convicted criminal, is calling Obama "illegal"? What a truly surreal situation...

These birther idiots will stop at nothing to get media attention for their conspiracy theories. Hint to the media, including The Swamp: IGNORE THEM!

http://www.political-buzz.com/

http://gawker.com/5321633/chris-matthews-almost-killed-g-gordon-liddy-on-live-television

factcheck.org has actual photos of them HOLDING the thing.

Nothing will ever be enough for some people, who just want something behind which to mask their partisan bitterness (or worse).

While I agree with Mark Silva that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, the shown document image is not an image of the actual "birth certificate", though the document shown is often accepted as proof of birth.

Wouldn't it be refreshing if the press spent less time denouncing people who want to see Obama's actual birth certificate, and more time demanding that Obama authorize release of the actual birth certificate? And for that matter, demand that Obama authorize release of his college transcripts?

Demand the facts. Like the press used to do. What a concept.

I believe that Jesus walked on water and that God parted the Red Sea for Moses because the Bible says so. But it don't say nothin' in the Bible about Obama being born in the United States so I ain't gonna believe that no way no how no matter what "proof" you have. And that's why I'm a Republican. Because you liberals can't fool me. Palin/Jindal 2012!

Oh Goody, a chance for more posts from the criminally ignorant rightwingers like Inky, Paulo and John D. Their rantings are so entertaining. Let me get some popcorn!

Too bad for America !!!

I always assumed that obama was a citizen but these stories about obama being foreign born were a pleasant diverision.

how is president obama the first black american president if his mother is caucasian and his father is african
is'nt race classified other.
/jd

In a typical example of the ignorance that is rife amongst journalists, this is not the document in question.

While I am sure that Obama is indeed a US citizen, what people want to see is the photostat or copy or original of the document filled out by the doctors in the delivery room. This is a computer-generated document based on data in some database somewhere. It is legally a birth certificate, but it does not physically show the signatures of the doctor, nurses or administrators in question who were present at the birth.

That reporters like Mark Silva seem totally incapable of comprehending this is sad but is to be expected.

STILL a citizen? Does that mean he'll lose his citizenship in the future?
What a SNIDE lead-in.

This confirmation is only going to feed the conspiracy. Every truther will want to see the birth cert for himself.

Leave him alone he is an American Citizen and he is my president I look upto him.

They could have film of the birth with Danno of "Hawaii 50" assisting, and the wackos still wouldn't believe it; well actually they believe it, but just won't admit it. They turned in the tired teabags for birth certificates; wonder what the next 'scheme' will be?

Wait, wait - not enough loonies are lined up to respond yet. We need a few more ... Ok, the doors are open, let them in.

Quick, somebody get Lou Dobbs on the phone!

Now, people, can we please leave this alone? What possible good could your persistence cause? Please, the rescrewlicans...i mean republicans lost, mccain lost, and that's the end of it. Barack Obama is our President, now get over it. If you don't like it, I hear that Canada and Mexico are always willing to take new citizens.

Now if only the "birthers" could read. This is the crowd that disparaged intelligence and education as "elitiist" during the 2008 campaign- Palin fans who react like rabid Pavlov's dogs to conservative talking points. Facts and sources are irrelevet when hearing and understanding are selective. and understanding are selective. The whole issue boils down to their finding reasons not to accept Obama as their president. Congresspersons who feed such nonsense are catering to the wacky fringe- afraid to dispute them but obviously embarrassed to play the game. They should be amply ridiculed and shamed out of office for lack of integrity.

I don't think it goes any farther than the simple request for ALL to have access to what Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino "has seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen"
Why does only Director Fukino have access to these records? What is the problem with letting the wingnuts have a copy so they can just shut up already? There's obviously more than the green computer print-out that is currently being distributed.
Give it to them, so they can just go away and we can get back to the more important business of governance.

Dr. Fukino is obviously in on the conspiracy. Everyone, quickly hide under your American Flags! Don't let your kids become socialist Muslim Kenyans. Or gay.

As if this piece of "news" will satisfy anyone ignorant enough to believe baseless rumors and conspiracy theories. Can't we all just get along?

Why his teleprompter not tell me in 1st place?

Why doesn't certificate state what hospital or if the birth was at home. All the Birth Certificates that I have seen always state this, and I have seen lots of Birth Certificates from many states. Everyone of them including mine stated the hospital, along with more information than this one is giving out. Sorry, I don't buy it.

Please, mark, do you really think this will quell the shrill rantings of the idiot classes? Their agenda is not fact driven but lies in that emotional plane between delusion and whatever they want to believe.

There has never been any question as to whether or not he was born in the United States. The issue all along has been that he left the U.S. moved to Indonesia where attended public school and legally became an Indonesian citizen(and a Muslim).

Since it was/is impossible to be a dual citizen of Indonesia and the U.S. then Obama's parents must've given up his U.S. Citizenship to enroll him in public school in Indonesia.

The President must be a native born US Citizen, which Obama is not. It is questionable as to whether or not he is a Citizen at all.

These are simple facts which the newsmedia at large as chosen to ignore. At the same time the newsmedia continues to focus on the birth issue as a distraction from the fact that Obama's mother defacto renounced his citizenship by enrolling him in a public school in Indonesia.

That which is shown is a "Certificate of live birth". You don't need to be born in Hawaii to obtain one. I and others would like to see the "Birth Certificate" complete with hospital name, doctor, time of birth, etc. Is that an unreasonable request? After all John McCain produced his "Birth Certificate". Fair is fair. I'm all for transparency, aren't you?

It only took 12 months to cook this up. I thought the government was far more efficient at forgery.
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What race is African?

It would take me 20 minutes, not a year, to produce an identical document "proving" Josef Stalin was born in Hawaii in 1961. Eyewitness accounts say otherwise.

Not that this is going to shut too many people up, but -- Bruce, et al:

that IS a Hawaiian birth certificate. That is their long form. All of them look like that. there is no "real" certificate besides THAT ONE RIGHT THERE.

So shut up already about it not being the "real" form.

They could have video of Obama being born and the certificate being drawn up and some folks still wouldn't believe it. Well, they can party down with the folks who still think that the moon landing was faked.

Oh this is so pathetic.

Slight of Hand - You cannot renounce citizenship as a child, and you cannot renounce citizenship through any intermediary.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

This is just dumb, dumb dumb. Get over the fact he is half black, this is why our country is where it is. Just so many dumb things to argue about!

Slight of hand, two things:

1) The Naturalization Act of 1952 holds that a minor naturalized in a foreign country by a parent or legal guardian only loses their US naturalization if they fail to establish permanent residence in the US prior to turning 25. Obama obviously moved back to the US long before that.

2) It's "sleight" of hand. Not "slight."

Bigotry is alive and still sick and twisted! I guess it's a lot easier to continue to be negative! It doesn't take a lot of thought or energy to bitch and moan but it does take intelligence to move forward and be constructive!

I need all college transcripts, all passport information when he traveled to a restricted country, on a US passport?
everyone would go away if the truth, all of it would be addressed. Until then, this follows the community organizer from chicago through his one term as POTUS. That simple boys and girls of all stripes.

Shame on you Tribune for even printing this rumor again!

So in the past six days, Joe Scarborough, Mike Huckabee, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter have all acknowledged on national television that President Obama is a natural-born U.S. citizen. Scarborough called birthers "conspiracy theorists." Huckabee said it the allegations actually had any merit they would have been unearthed by the Clinton campaign during the primaries. O'Reilly said the accusations that Obama is not a natural-born citizen are "bogus." Coulter went as far as calling Lou Dobbs is "a dope" for helping promote the idea and saying those who believe the accusations are "a few cranks" and comparing them to the KKK. But what would you expect from a bunch of America-hating, left-wing socialist liberals like Scarborough, Huckabee, O'Reilly and Coulter?

My, you Right Wing Nuts run rampant this morning, deranged it would be safe to say...

I think the people who are still complaining about this, should need to post their birth certificates online. And their social security numbers and bank accounts as well.

Did people not read the part where law prohibits the posting of the original certificate?
"... though state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone without a tangible interest."

This is obviously a recently generated computer document. Birth certificates in 1961 were typed as that was the "technology" of that decade.

Interesting the White House conceals or has same concealed.
This probably Obama's deepest secrets and rumored he has spent lots of money on the concealment..

Listen all the Left wing nuts who do NOT have the ability to THINK independently.. and to the Right wingers who keep asking the same question and getting the same inclusive answer..
Right wingers: there comes a time when you must realize that NO matter how many law suits are brought against Obama's information YOU WILL NOT get an answer..at least right now..
Left wing nuts: During the Bush administration I was a stanch Democrat.. listened to mainstream media trash Bush, and conservatives like everything was their fault.. one day I listened to conservative media.. low and behold they were holding Bush's feet to the fire also.. I figured out that right wingers Love to finger point but only if it's at the OTHER SIDE..very hypocritical.. and if their party is in charge they would willing walk to the gas chambers if they were told it's good for them. I then changed my party affiliation to independent.. I don't know why it's so hard for the left to understand that not everyone is a sheep, some people have questions.. NO BIG deal UNLESS they are scared of being proven wrong in their NOT questioning..
Personally, his school records would be more telling than his birth certificate..but those are sealed too which does make me wonder WHY..there's a very good chance he's hiding something.. not necessarily his being born in HI but something.. and at this late date and Obama making this an issue for so long.. well lets say is suspicious. it's not like he hasn't lied before.. he's a Politician it's a prerequisite..
There will always be a cloud over Obama's head because of his inability to address the issue by oh say unsealing his school records. It's a shame.. but his doing..
This issue is not a priority in most peoples lives, however, they do have a problem with Obama's agenda another story..
The left had question's when it came to Bush's WMD's and the right has a question about Obama's citizenship.. Look at the out come of what the left found out about the WMD;s, are you scared that the Right will find out the same about Obama's birth??
Doesn't ANYONE on the Left have any curiosity as to WHY everything is sealed?
By the way after watching the alderman's father in Chicago sell ID's for 5 years why should anyone believe that this WOULDN'T be done for Obama?
Grow a brain left wingers.. allow questions.. could be YOUR right but I think your more scared your WRONG about this matter..

Too bad that his mother wasn't more liberal.

Remember, these are the same people who believed everything G.W. Bush told them about Iraq, 911 and WMD's.

They never learn.

The funny thing is that John McCain was not born an American citizen; he was made one retroactively. The wingnuts have it backwards as usual.

kg123 has finally explained why most of the birthers are also biblical literalists. Those folks just eat up virgin birth nonsense, don't they?

Slight of Hand,

There has never been any question on your sanity, you're a nut job.

kg123 has finally explained why most of the birthers are also biblical literalists. Those folks just eat up virgin birth nonsense, don't they?

Time to move on. No amount of documentation --or anything else--will change the closed minds of the right wing crazies. Let them continue to spew their garbage. When it's all said and done, Obama is still the President. And that's all that matters.

Geez, some of you (Indy voter Joliet, I'm looking in your direction) need a hobby...I mean besides trying to prove the Masons control the world, the moon landing was staged and Bill Clinton had a whole cadre of people summarily murdered.

To all the crazed conspiracy theorists, a burst of facts to enlighten your otherwise fact deficient lives.

Barack Obama's original paper birth certificate no longer exists. In fact, the original paper birth certificates of anyone born in Hawaii no longer exists. The State destroyed them all, including Obama's when they went to a paperless system in 2001.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

The document shown above is the ONLY document that the State of Hawii issues as a "birth certificate". there is no Long form or short form, only the form shown above.

Oh Goody, a chance for more posts from the criminally ignorant rightwingers like Inky, Paulo and John D. Their rantings are so entertaining. Let me get some popcorn!

Posted by: A Swamp rat | July 28, 2009 9:28 AM

Criminally ignorant? Hardly. That moniker belongs to the Dingbat Loony Left.

All I've said on this issue is let's see the actual birth certificate. Not this version of it. I do think it's funny that the state of Hawaii keeps issuing proclamations that so and so has seen the actual documents. But yet the actual documents never get revealed. I never was a "birther," but my curiosity gets piqued each time this story gets regenerated and it seems like the politicians and media protest too much. You know the ole adage, "he who protest too much," may mean there is something to it? I doubt there is. Obimbo probably was born in Hawaii, but it woiuld be nice to see the actual birth certificate. Why not just release it? It would be end of story. Right?
Regarding McCain. As a member of the U.S. military, his dad was stationed in Panama. Children of U.S. military personnel stationed overseas that are born overseas are U.S. citizens.

so lets say the birth certificate provided is a cover up. if this is true than who would force the president to produce the original certificate??? the state of hawaii has already said it's a legal document. who would pursue this further? congress? the supreme court? this topic is dead in the water. if nobody can force the release of the original document and obama alledgedly is hidding something that would damage him; further discussion seems pointless. god bless you mr. president and pray for those unpatriotic americans who don't believe in you.

We are all our own reality. Palin is my President. I bow to her for our nation of The United States of Alaska.

Michael Medved, conservative talk show host, talking about the birther's leaders: "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitative, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters" who are "the worst enemy of the conservative movement."

"It makes us look weird. It makes us look crazy. It makes us look demented. It makes us look sick, troubled, and not suitable for civilized company"

Posted by: Independent Voter Joliet | July 28, 2009 11:43 AM

So, IVJ, what do you think could possibly be hidden in Obama's transcripts? That he was studying to be an Iman? That he got an "A" in "Destroying America 101"? Come on, what deep dark secrets do you think a massive conspiracy is hiding about his years in college? Or is it that you just can't believe that a darkl skinned guy did well in College?

People, it doesn't matter if Obama was born in Mombasa, Hawaii or Timbuktu. Obama senior was never a citizen therefore Obama junior does not satisfy the Natural Born Constitutional requirement for the presidency. Natural Born means that a person was born on US soil and that BOTH PARENTS are US citizens. Therefore, Obama is not qualified to be the president.

Quick. Call Johnathan Klein! CNN still hasn't heard about this. Sure, some of their reporters have mentioned it, only to have their voices drowned out by Lou Dobbs.

Never mind. According to Klein, Dobbs' opinion rises to the level of truth regardless of all evidence to the contrary, so this won't matter either.

Also, if Klein finally makes Dobbs behave like a newsman and not a street corner barker, some other pretext for rejecting Obama will have to be invented by the white supremacist groups to whom Dobbs panders, and Klein may be more comfortable with the devil he knows.

The issue is clear for anyone that wants to look at it rationally. What Obama produced does not prove or disprove he is a natural born citizen. So it remains an open question.
The immigration laws in 1961 allowed anyone to walk in off the street and say a child was born at home with no witnesses and get a birth certificate.
Obama has stated he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. That information is only in the vault records that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding but Obama refuses to release. Obama also refuses to release the records from the hospital he claims he was born at.
If the vault records confirm that Obama was born in the specified hospital is one thing. If the records state Obama was born at home without any witnesses it raises a host of other questions.
Where was he born? Why did Obama lie?
So there are outstanding legitimate questions that can only be answered by Obama releasing the vault records. No conspiracy, only a matter of verifiable proof.

had he been born prior to Aug 21 1959 they would have an argument due to the fact Hawaii didn't become part of the State of Union until then.Otherwise we would then have to allow anyone from our territories to become Pres.

Let me state this again: This document shown is the ONLY document that serves as an official birth certificate in Hawaii. Even if the "vault record" existed, they would not matter since the information in the computer data base is the ONLY official record, and has been the ONLY official record since the system went paperless 8 years ago. Any other piece of paper is utterly meaningless. Is this too much for you people to understand? Are you really so limited intellectually to understand that simple, straightforward, documented fact?

Moonbats and lemmings unite. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha............ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho ho.........

I think the WH keeps this alive so they can divert how STUPIDLY the President, and VP for that matter, act, Sec State as well, don't forget Timmy G at the fed. It keeps coming up when BHO steps in it, about every third week or so.

Gosh! To close-minded people the slight difference in others skin color, accent, or even nationality causes their bigotry flag to go up.
Obama is in power, there is nothing you can do about it.

Minorities like me cannot contain ourselves with happiness and joy of seeing a minority person in the white house.

White men have occupied the white house so exclusively it's not even funny!

It is our turn, it is our right, we will NOT step back one bit.

Twila now has a "new rules" segment; you're kidding, right Twila? The document above is not the only document that has been produced by Obama. But every time he provides proof, a few idiots refuse to believe it anyway. He was sworn in by the right wing ideologue Chief Justice Roberts (twice); that should satisfy everyone (except Inky who's concealing his brain.) At some point, the birthers should put up their own evidence or shut up.

We Republicans need to quickly disavow these Birther crazies, and their close cousins, the creationists.

We need to return to the message of low taxes, small government and personal freedom, or else the Democrats will keep office and spend us into oblivion.

QUOTE: The State destroyed them all, including Obama's when they went to a paperless system in 2001.

QUOTE: "I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino..."

Unless Fukino checked BHO's Birth Certificate before 2001, there is something, again, fishy going on. Fukino says he saw the ORIGINAL VITAL RECORDS. How did he do this if they were, in fact, destroyed in 2001? Just curious, about a very curious story.

Natural Born means that a person was born on US soil and that BOTH PARENTS are US citizens.

Posted by: Twila | July 28, 2009 12:51 PM

Right on the first part, Twila, not on the second. An "anchor baby" born to an illegal immigrant while in the U.S. is a "natural born" U.S. citizen and could grow up to be president.

I'm amazed that nearly no one responding to this story can simply say something intelligent without tossing a few not particularly witty barbs at a religion they oppose, a political party they oppose, someone they don't agree with, etc. I feel like I stumbled into a junior high school the week before a dance. "Oh, she thinks she's so hot" "Well, he said.."

Adults whining in print. Nice.

I am sure there are some people out there that will agree that the person currently impersonating Barac Obama is really a socialistic sleeper for the Russians, who was awakened to run for president by his controlled, a mysterious woman know as Michelle,

What they don't realize is that Barac and Michelle don't really work for the Russians. They are actually from the planet Yahl which is 50,000 light years from our galaxy.

Now that their cover has been blown, I wonder what their real mission is?

Simple question. Do the "actual birth certificates", i.e. paper records kept by the State of Hawaii dating from 1961, actually exist? Hawaii switched to electronic records in 1991. What happened to the paper records? Were they shredded? Or are they in a huge pile in a warehouse? And I'm not talking about something someone has been keeping in a scrap book for 47 years, that one is gone.

I am going to take a wild guess as to why Mr. Obama is not interested in releasing the original birth record.....he can't.

Maybe I will start a wild rumor by this guess, but perhaps he is adopted. If so, he probably does not even have a legal right to the actual original. And, if he did have access, he does not want to make that kind of private information public, as it is nobody else's business.

The bottom line is the officials in Hawaii say he was born there. It would be a major fraud, and almost certainly a significant crime (perjury), for them to lie on this kind of thing.

Anyway, just a thought, and would explain Obama's reluctance (or legal inability) to provide original documents.

Strange that Obama's Grand mother who supposidly was with his mother at his birth in Kenya died in a nursing home in HI just before the election.
Strange how none of his college records can be released. They might show he was entered as a foreign student. Why would he spend over a million $$$$ to defend and stop all inquiries? A forged piece of paper in HI is now suppose to put this all to rest?

This is a link to the form that will shut up these idiots. Just show it to them and be done with it.
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/gallery/passportusa/edith_front.jpg

I'm surprised that more of the Birthers commenting haven't latched on to the most obvious issue with this whole news item: the name of the Hawai'i state official - Dr. Chiyome Fukino.

How can anyone with that name be a "real" American? He's got to be another alien working in conspiracy with Obama to keep the truth from ordinary Americans. Looks mighty dubious to me . . . .

(Go Birthers, Go!!!!)

Ha! You think you can impress wing nutz with your proof? Your proof is puny and weak, and cannot penetrate the dense stupidity of wingnut zeal.

I believe that Jesus walked on water and that God parted the Red Sea for Moses because the Bible says so. But it don't say nothin' in the Bible about Obama being born in the United States so I ain't gonna believe that no way no how no matter what "proof" you have. And that's why I'm a Republican. Because you liberals can't fool me. Palin/Jindal 2012!

The Bible does not say that you are an actual live human being with a brain. So therefore you are a total fool.

Any politician coming out of cook county chicago has been taught from birth to lie, steal , cheat , break every rule of morality and cover his tracks , and they do a good job as you can tell by whats being covered up in the media. Years ago there was a paper called The Herald American , and on every Sunday edition heading were the words "what fools these mortals be". The truth hasn't changed, Most would believe a lie, than face the truth of what is happening to our beloved country. God please help us.

“Slight of Hand” claims Obama MUST have given up his citizenship in Indonesia. On MY planet, people can go to school in foreign countries without being citizens—the children of diplomats, the military, or if their parents work overseas. There are plenty of people who go to school in the U.S. without giving up their own citizenship. Check and mate.

“Darkwater” says he wants more information on the birth certificate, yet the state of Hawaii only uses ONE form of birth certificate, there’s no such thing as the “long form” that birthers want. Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth, the one verified by the State of Hawaii, is the ONLY one it uses to verify someone’s birth.

This just in:

Barry is still an idiot. This has all been very funny, now bring on the real president.

Oh Goody, a chance for more posts from the criminally ignorant rightwingers like Inky, Paulo and John D. Their rantings are so entertaining. Let me get some popcorn!
Posted by: A Swamp rat | July 28, 2009 9:28 AM

Sounds like you have been sucked in by Obama's TelePrompTer.

This just in:

Barry is still an idiot. This has all been very funny, now bring on the real president.

Posted by: BDD | July 28, 2009 3:30 PM

Here in lies the problem. Moonbats who just don't like him will refuse to act like adults and accept reality. You "great Americans" are a gas. Noxious..but a gas none the less. It's gonna be a long couple of years for y'all!

God please help us.

Posted by: joseph | July 28, 2009 3:28 PM

Please povide his birth certificate first. Have you seen it? Moonbat!

A certificate of birth does not a birth certificate make.

If I am not mistaken, all American hospitals have had to get the newborns foot prints at time of birth, since the 1930's maybe earlier. My American wife who was born in South America, does not have the foot prints, but has a certificate of birth that was that was issued when she was physically presented to the American consulate, an American baby born outside the US and brought to a US hospital receives a Certificate of birth. Hence my wife is not eligible to run for POTUS.
Here is something that a friend just sent me . . . Something you might find interesting. Both my children were born in Hawaii, one in 1955 and one in 1956. Both have “Birth Certificates” not a “Certificate of live Birth” and both have footprints on their birth certificates. Why doesn’t Obama produce this evidence. He was born there after my Kids. Bob

Simple question. Do the "actual birth certificates", i.e. paper records kept by the State of Hawaii dating from 1961, actually exist? Hawaii switched to electronic records in 1991. What happened to the paper records? Were they shredded? Or are they in a huge pile in a warehouse? And I'm not talking about something someone has been keeping in a scrap book for 47 years, that one is gone.

Posted by: PaulG | July 28, 2009 2:24 PM

Excellent point and one that deserves further discussion.

How does one prove a negative.

In other words, the "birthers" are claiming that Obama WASN'T born in Hawaii. So prove it?

Difficult if not impossible to do.

Saddam Hussein ran into the same problem. "How do I prove I don't have nuclear weapons or the means to produce them?"

Couldn't be done in time to prevent SHOCK and AWE.

So, while the "birthers" may be right, they can't prove what can't be proved. And there's nothing in the Constitution which says Obama or anyone else who wants to be president has to PROVE he/she is a natural born citizen.

So we're in something of a quandry and it needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

In fact, I know a LOT of African-Americans born in the South before the 1960s that cannot provide a birth certificate. Records have been lost or destroyed or there never was a birth certificate.

The "birthers" may be wrong, but the point is a valid one and Democrats should not be so quick to dismiss it. It might come to bite them in the butt one day.

True Republicans need to TAKE THEIR PARTY BACK from these nutjobs who make all conservatives look like ignorant racists, pathetic whiners and wingnut zealots.

No one did more to help elect Obama last year than this small but vocal group of wackos who have hijacked the GOP and turned it into a fringe joke.

Fellow citizens of Illinois, in case you weren't aware of the level of insanity of the birthers, let me provide you with an example that tells you all you need to know.

Former Senate candidate for hire, Ambassador to Crazy Land, Alan Keyes has latched onto the birther movement.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32190004/ns/politics-cq_politics/

Uh, where are the required signatures of the parents and the official issuing the certificate. This so-called "certificate of birth" could be created on any computer. This proves nothing about Obama's legitimacy and the media know it. But with the stars in their eyes, none of them really cares.

I had to give up more of my personal information just to work at JC Penney than Obama had to release to become President. I think all your birth, school, and employment records should be released to the public. I had to give that all up for several lousy jobs.

I hear the Original Birth Certificate names Professor Gates as his father, and Reverend Wright as his mother. Obama refuses to release the original because it might expose that he was conceived via test tube using Katherine and Joe Jackson's sex cells, and like all celebrity babies born to a surrogate mother in a Nambian Orphanage. He is the missing member of the Jackson 5, and has been known to moonwalk on water.

Ray Godfrey, that has got to be one of the most bizarre, misinformed birther ideas I've heard yet. Obama has two grandmothers - I suspect you do too (although it's equally likely that you were hatched). One grandmother died in Hawaii just before the inauguration. The other grandmother would be quite surprised to hear that she died, especially in Hawaii. She's alive and well and has never been out of Kenya. The second one is the one who supposedly said that she was present at Obama's birth. Except that she didn't. The birthers conveniently leave out the part of the tape where it becomes clear that her original answer was due to a mistranslation - the translators themselves misunderstood the question. Once the question is properly translated, she makes it clear that Obama was NOT born in Kenya, but in Hawaii.

Oh, and can you provide a link to a reputable, non-partisan website that supports your claim that Obama has spent "over a million $$$$"?

"I'm surprised that more of the Birthers commenting haven't latched on to the most obvious issue with this whole news item: the name of the Hawai'i state official - Dr. Chiyome Fukino."

Just because this person doesn't have an "Anglo" sounding name, doesn't mean he's not an American. Some people are just so plain ignorant, stupid and I can't believe you're an American yourself.

JFK & Elvis are holding Obama's birth certificate for safe keeping...locked in Area 51 for the time being.
Now, where did we hide the certificate that WBush signed to authorized the 9/11 attacks?!?...

JohnD,

When McCain was born, that law was not on the books. He only became a U.S. citizen when the new law was retroactively applied to him. So he is not and never has been a natural-born U.S. citizen. McCain birthers unite!

Until Obama shows his birth certificate, I will continue to obey the true Commander in Chief of the United States, Obi Wan Kenobi.

Obi Wan says let's party.

They could bring the certificate, the actual, from Hawaii, put it under glass in the Capitol like the Declaration of Independence, and the "birthers" still wouldn't buy it. They would still claim it was forged and made to "look like" an original.
Let them believe what they want to. He has presented the same proof that EVERY OTHER PERSON MUST. If the government takes that form to satisfy itself that I am a legal citizen, then that is all that need be provided.

I quote from the article itself: "state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone without a tangible interest." I don't believe these "birthers" deserve to see his birth certificate, even if they did, they would call it a forgery because the only thing they are really interested in is to discredit the president because they don't like him for their own selfish reasons which don't qualify as tangible reasons.

These so called "birthers" just started something more than President Obama birth issue. They started an issue of how one state rights and duties on how to issue a birth certificate can be different from another.

I am a Chicagoan living in Kansas and I had to reorder my birth certificate and I had am a Veteran and a citizen; I had a choice between short and long copy. I will never get an original..

SO AM I a US VET not a Citizen.

Also do we not remember he was a US Senator and they have to show proof of birth when they take the oath.

This exemplifies the priorities of the Republicans and epitomizes their time wasting tactics while the United States and the world is churning chaotically, thanks in large part to the actions of the GOP. What grade are these people in?! Hardly even worth the time commenting on this stuff. DISGUSTING!

I have to say this, You do not have to renounce your US citizenship to send your child to a local school in a foreign country. College students do it all the time. If you work overseas, you can send your child to any local school you want, I just could not let that stand,

...And just what planet was George W. Bush from? Uranus?

So was Obama born at Kapi'olani Medical Center or Queen's Medical Center? He has stated that he was born in both, which is quite a feat even for him. Interesting that my MN birth certificate states the hospital in which I was born; the attending physician; my parents' ages, their birthplaces, and their occupations. In contrast, Obama's birth certificate is indeed a "shorthand form."

Birthers are entitled to their own stupid opinions.

So why doesn't BO just release "the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health" and settle this silliness once and for all?

Please read, you'll learn something (I hope). Just remember, 2 x 2 = 4

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697

"The truth hasn't changed, Most would believe a lie, than face the truth of what is happening to our beloved country. God please help us.
Posted by: joseph | July 28, 2009 3:28 PM"

What has happened to our country hasn't been caused by Obama.
Twelve years of Republican congress's and eight years of G.W. Bush nearly destroyed America.
Now the Dems. and Obama are trying to put it back together, with no help from the likes of you, thank you. Keep trembling and praying in your house. You're a moral self flatterer, the worst kind.

He could put a stop to all of this talk instantly by simply releasing the certified, long form birth certificate. There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Additionally, most all his records are sealed, and he's spent a whole lot of $$ to keep people from getting to that info. Naturally, people are going to wonder what he's hiding. I certainly have my own questions about it. My 87-year-old father was talking with me about the same things a couple of weeks ago, and he's a fairly middle of the road kind of guy.

Posted by: judithod
Since Obama was born in Hawaii and not MN, what you have said means nothing. But thanks. I think I'll take the State of Hawaii proof--over and over again--over your comment.

Oh, and my own Certificate of Live Birth (I was born outside the US) has all the pertinent information that is missing on Obama's COLB.

These birthers are great. I keep see people trying to sound like they know what they are talking about when they say they have seen or possess a birth certificate with hospital and foot print on it. I have mine in front of me. I was also born in 1961 but not in Hawaii but Indiana. It states at the top Certificate of Birth. No hospital name (I was born in a hospital), no doctor name, and no foot print. As in the words of that literary great but anonymous tea baggers - you guys are morans.

Forget the birth certificate. The real issue is that regardless of where he was born, Obama is ineligible simply because he possessed Kenyan/British citizenship at birth thru his father. Read what Vattel said in "The Law of Nations." Vattel was very influential in the early United States, and he makes clear that if someone's father is not a citizen then the child cannot be natural born. Also see the U.S. Supreme Court discussions in The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 289 (1814) and also Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 167-168 (1874).

This isn't a matter of conspiracy or speculation; it's simply a matter of historical legal fact.

Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Mario Apuzzo are good sources on this particular argument.

Stupid believers that Obama was born is the US are entitled to their own opinion.
(even if they're pinheads)

Back in the 60's birth certificate classified you either black or white. Not caucasian or african. This is a fake!

He could put a stop to all of this talk instantly by simply releasing the certified, long form birth certificate. There's absolutely no reason not to do so. Additionally, most all his records are sealed, and he's spent a whole lot of $$ to keep people from getting to that info. Naturally, people are going to wonder what he's hiding. I certainly have my own questions about it. My 87-year-old father was talking with me about the same things a couple of weeks ago, and he's a fairly middle of the road kind of guy.
Posted by: Kaitlin | July 28, 2009 6:23 PM

That he will never do, if so wonder if congress would have the guts to kick him out of the White House.

Birthers are retarded. Now that we have proof of Obama being a U.S. citizen, should the right go back to claiming he's a Muslim terrorist?

The EXTREME side of the Republican party is very similar to the National Socialists Party. Like them, they took control of the military, the economy, and the polity. Then, destroyed that economy so everyone could become wage/credit SERFS. Now they have the gonads to assert that President Obama (born in Hawaii, USA) caused it. What friggin' arrogance !!!

Such idiots do not deserve to be citizens of the USA. I am certain there is a place in Dante's world for each of them.

He is not my president. I will not display the flag again until he is out of office!

Some posters keep claiming that Obama has "spent a lot of money" to keep people from knowing "the truth." Where do you get this notion? Have you seen the receipts? How do you know? Give it a rest, already. Like it or not, he is the President.

Computer generated, it is. But, also very legal. And if you think BHO cannot produce the long form you are highly deluded.

Y'all miss the point. Citizenship isn't decided by birthplace. Two American parents visiting Holland (or any other country) when their baby arrives, give birth to an American citizen so long as they maintain their own citizenship. (Think McCain.)

"Natural born citizen" depends on having two American citizen parents.

Stop chasing the red herring.

As a republican these birthers are an embarassment. There's so much to not like about Obama's policies, tactics, etc. But this whole he's not legally the president thing is ridiculous. Let's face facts, it's a small group of people that don't like that a person of color is in the whitehouse. It's all racial and no substance. Lets all get past this and focus on real issues like healthcare reform that doesn't bankrupt the country, or economic plans that actually work.

It seems the question to answered is how the Constitution or subsequent higher court rulings define "Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America" as it pertains to being eligible for the presidency. Are there any constitutional legal scholars out there? (or just a bunch of left/right wing nuts)

Great Article but I am confused. I thought Obama Sr was his daddy. Hawaii is saying he is a natural born citizen. Does that mean Obama Sr isn't his daddy. I thought a court would have to rule if it was anything other than two US citizen parents. Is fukino a Constitutional lawyer? I guess Obama Sr isn't the daddy according to Fukino. I am so disappointed. Those poor people in Kenya will be so disappointed. So who is his black daddy? It must be a US citizen.

I still say its fake. Where is the offical raised seal to prove its real. My stepfater is from the same island he was supposed to be born on. His sone was born the same year and his is very different then the one shown here. It is colored and has offical raised seals. He says its fake and he should know as my stepdad had 5 children there and ther certificate is different. Very different....

Exactly, Kenisha; you're confused. natural born= born in the USA.

It justs keeps getting more and more interesting. The press knows best; interesting stories are diificult to kill, regardless of the amount of proof to support them. It's better than focusing on the 10% and rising unemployment (and the shutdowns, reductions in hours and wage cuts that go unmentioned).

According to the constitution, all persons born in the United States are citizens thereof.

That excludes McCain who was born in Panama City, Panama.

Children of 5 years are incapable legally of renouncing citizenship.

Nor do children have to be citizens of a country to attend public school in that country.

About 40 per cent or more of Chicago Public School students are born outside US.

I thought it was established that the public record office in Hawaii shredded all the "vault long form silver nitrate stained" original birth records when it went digital in 1980 or so.

Anyway, birfers want to see the hospital bill. And the cancelled check that paid the bill.

Now, let's see George W Bush's military records.......

Zoey posted a BC from 1962.

An Austrian born mother, an Arkansas born father.....

Hmmmm.....

Another future president??

This was the form of the certificates shredded by Hawaii when they went digital in 1980- or 2001 or whenever they went digital?

By the bye, Zoey's document uses the word "caucasian".

Anyone born in Hawaii who did not take the trouble to buy a copy of the "original" before the state went digital and shredded them is now out of luck, it seems, and has to rely on the digital record.

Well, Zoey, at least be thankful they didn't use an IBM Executive typewriter on that BC back in 1962, or you'd be subject to the claim it was forged because typewriters couldn't produce proportional typescript.

[actually, they could, but don't tell anyone]

Ya know.....you liberals ought to just remember at least about 8 months ago, how you all were treating President Bush and most of all how you are still treating Sarah Palin...........talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!

Personally, I don't care if the president of the US has purple stripes all over his body scattered with polka dots ....... as long as he/she honors the CONSTITUTION and understands that the PEOPLE are his boss ...... and that goes for the kooks in congress who think they deserve better/more than the people do - who, incidentally are THEIR bosses too!!!

obama is american citizen who care they need people have job economy fix that all

You are right Debbie.....

Equal treatment....

Cough up Bush's military records...

And Sarahhhh's birth certificate.

Where is it?

She was really born in Canada.

these right wing nuts have nothing better to do than go with birthing .convicted felon former convict g.libby who would believe anything that moron would say. he is not even a good bugular he got caught didnt he.i pray for a republican ticket of sorry palin and fat pig russell limbaugh in 2012.

Scanning the comments to this article reminds me of how ignorant much of our population is - and this is a sample of news readers rather than just Joe Somebody off the street! Obviously, race is still a very divisive issue and, unfortunately, when coupled with politics, makes people lose any objectivity or common sense they may have once had. I am proud to have an intelligent, polished, respectful president...who just happens to be of mixed race.

So who is his black daddy? It must be a US citizen.

Posted by: Kenisha | July 28, 2009 8:20 PM

Now I'm a little confused....is your daddy a US citizen? How bout yo Momma?

You rightwing clowns think people don't see through your racist posts?

We need to heal these racial divisions. Toward that end, I'd like to donate to the hospital where Mr. Obama was born. And I'd like to honor the doctor that delivered Mr. Obama by donating the money in his name. Can you let me know where to send the money, and in whose name to make the donation from? Thanks!

Jeezuz, these right wing 'barfers' are like Holocaust deniers. Same psychology at work.

Thanks, ornery, I'm still not sure if the thing was shredded, but it sure sounds like it. And please don't get me wrong, for all intents and purposes, the State of Hawaii's statement is proof positive and all that's required. Is it worth pointing out that even if we had the original, it wouldn't tell us anything we didn't already know about City, State, or Date of Birth?

Funny thing, Zoey's link and the link off of Orly Taitz's site both post to BC's from Wahiawa, HI, but the hospital names are different. Now how many hospitals were there in Wahiawa?

I believe this document is fake. What happened to his "real" birth certificate? This is a "certificate of live birth". Not the same. Did they even refer to race as "African" back in the 60's?
For all of you who thought Obama would make a difference in this country let me ask you one thing...has he? Didn't think so!

Even if the old forms like Zoey's are stuffed into transfer cartons in some warehouse somewhere, the Replican operative who started the canard probably filched Obama's first.

Replicans love "spit ball" tactics like that.

Dick Tuck---wasn't that the name of Tricky Dick Nixon's favorite court jester and purveyor of dirty tricks?

Of course Nixon used Liddy too--for the really sinister stuff. Liddy went to jail for a stretch for some of it as I recall.

Then of course dear Lee "Brain Tumor" Atwater and that charming Willie Horton ad.....

He was such an inspiration to Karlito Rove.

Sorry. Donald Segretti was Nixon's dirty trickster.

He went to jail, but not as long as Liddy. Liddy did over 4 year in the pen, as I recall.

Anyway, the whole BC rap about Obama is a classic Lee Atwater/KarlRove/Donald Segretti/GGordonLiddy type Replican spitball political canard.

They can't use outright racist rhetoric against Obama.
(Leave that to the Boston cops, like the one who called Gates a "jungle monkey").

So they use "code" delegitimization tags like "not born in USA".

Obama's people never stooped that low.

Though they could: is Panama City, Panama part of the US?

Did McCain start the Forrestal Fire, by "flaming out" the pilot in the plane lined up behind him?

Where are Sarah's psych records?

Etc. etc.

Actually, the latter 2 questions have never been satisfactorily answered........

Seriously? That is NOT a birth certificate. That is a certification of live birth, which Hawaii gave to many people in the early 60's. Here is a REAL Hawaii Birth Certificate:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

"President Barack Obama is still a citizen.

The White says so, too."

seriously, a typo in the first three line? I'm guessing the writer mean White House

Lame

LOL, like there was ever any doubt!

RT
www.anon-web-tools.tk

This is extremely sad, this sorta information should not be made public to people.

No one should have to prove their allegiance or patriotism through their country of birth. Even if he had been born outside of the US, I don't see why that would really affect his ability to be a president. I know there are laws that say you must be US born to be president, but still it's pretty backwards and xenophobic considering that people can come from abroad become American citizens and still be of extreme value and capable of running the country.

Those who rely on calling people's loyalty and birth into question are weak spirited and traitorous themselves.

WOW looks like a legit document, Doctor's signatures and all. Here's some news:
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2009/gus725.htm

When we focus on this stuff we miss the real news. Who knows what the government is doing (dems or reps, or green for that matter!) when we are all distracted by bullshit like this.

Pay attention to whats actually happening... it's going on behind your back right now.

The key issue driving the birthers was that his "grandmother said she was present at his birth."

However, this is an urban myth:
a) she wasn't his grandmother; she was his grandfather's second wife
b) she didn't provide a deposition, but was interviewed on the question in Kenya by telephone
c) she doesn't speak English; the interviewer doesn't speak her language.
d) they used a translator with a poor grasp of English
e) she answered the question (via translation) "were you present for his birth" in the affirmative; however, immediately after she answered about five questions stating that he was born in the U.S.

So, the entire Birther movement rests on the translated meaning of the English word "present" into her language. Certainly, given that she clearly said five times that she was in Kenya and he in American when he was born, the word likely came though as something like "informed" or "aware of" or "privy to."

These types of mistakes happen all the time with good translators. But this translator was just a dude.

YOU IDIOTS DO REALIZE THAT THE COPY YOU ARE SHOWING ON YOUR WEBSITE WAS GENERATED BY A COMPUTER RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVED IN THE 60'S BUT ALL BIRTH CERTIFICATES FROM THAT TIME WERE DONE ON A TYPE WRITTER.

Wow, George K.

A "school record" stating Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4 1961.

Where did that come from?

That picture doesn't look even slightly real. I don't see an issue date/time anywhere. They are both present on my AMERICAN birth certificate.

Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said
"I asked that the birth certificate be put on the Internet..."

But wait a moment... the certificate of live birth is what Obama's people showed, not the original, sealed birth certificate

So, Gibbs is lying, calling it a birth certificate. That document was never procured.

Show me the birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth, then I'll shut up. It's really a very simple request.

Ron Paul thinks a "white on black" old fashioned "photostat" is an
"original document".

'Nuff said.

Just wait until the 2012 election when we start accusing the people running of not being born on EARTH!!!

I am appalled that people are questioning his citizenship. If President Obama was white-skinned, nobody would give it a second thought. This is just another example of how racism permeates society. Absolutely horrifying.

Am I the only out there who thinks if Obama has to supply his original birth Certificate that everyone else should do the same? Its only fair right, like we are looking at his personal data, oviously we should have ours released also to even out the playing field. Its not like the birthers were bringing this up with Presidents before Obama....HOW DO WE KNOW OUR PAST PRESIDENTS ARE REALLY WHO THEY ARE!?!

Honestly the stupidity of this astounds me, do you think the FBI CIA and Homeland security would just let some illegal become president? Everyone who supports the birther movement is racist and is just using this consipracy as a way to get there message accross.

Obama is smart by not releasing the real Certificate (even though the COLB is accept by courts). The republicans are digging their own grave, pushing this nonsense. Why put it to a stop? wait 'til the re-election, then produce it and say, "See the republicans are crazy."

Those racists made white-skinned John McCain show HIS birth certificate. They wanted to make an issue of the fact that he was born in the Canal Zone to a long line of Navy Officers who made real sacrifices for this country. (not to mention the huge sacrifice McCain himself made as a POW).

So how 'bout healing this racism and telling us which hospital and doctor delivered Mr. Obama, so we can send in some "targeted reparations".

Chris, yes,

I think Obama played a lot of poker down in Springfield when the GenAss was in session.....

He may have a "hole card".

To trump all these fools.

Of course, they will insist on carbon dating.

...odd...they had proportional typefonts in 1961 ?

Its interesting to see how many people commenting here are birthers.

They want nothing more than to destroy this country. Their hatred of America and of Democracy which together forged the election of this man is so paramount that they will renounce both to hold on to their nazi-like hatred of anyone who doesn't share their skin color.

When forced to accept the truth, many birthers will then try to reason that because Hawaii isn't one of the continental 48 that it shouldn't be included in the states that can produce a natural-born citizen.

Of course nevermind which state Sarah was from (Alaska) or which country McCain was born in (Panama) No seriously, really nevermind. All they want is for you to engage them. They believe it justifies their hatred.

Don't respond to them. Let them know through your silence that they will not succeed in bringing down America or in destroying Democracy.

The Birthers almost can't help themselves, this conspiracy crap is more shellings from a much larger foe.

You see, America is under attack by one of the most well-funded Psy-Ops armies in the World:

HMOs.

They’re rich, they’re powerful and they have been saving up for decades to go to war with the next person who dared try to cut in on their territory.

They kicked down one President already (Clinton’s healthcare reform), now they’re trying to destroy this next one to make an example for all who would dare come forward:

Do. Not. Fuck. With us.

Obama is taking them on, head on, and – scary as it is – the HMOs are winning. A single speech or two from Obama is not going to get rid of the BS the HMOs are paying to stream across the airwaves every day. Obama, even as President, doesn’t have the resources to compete with that.

American citizens are being swamped and swarmed and misinformed. It’s no wonder everyone’s so pissed off. How can anyone know what to think – especially if you’re working 2 jobs and have kids and barely know what’s going on anyways. All you’re going to hear is the negative stuff.

Factually: Bad news travels faster than good news. And sticks longer. HMOs know this. They bank on this.

Obama had an uphill battle before he got into office, now he has to fight uphill, barefoot, through a swamp in a hurricane.

Thank the HMOs for that. They’re the ones that deserve your scorn and your blame.

Oh Dear,

The articles are coming out saying "what's the big deal that he might not be an American?". It's really not that big of a deal. He can still apply for a work visa after he gets deported back to wherever he's from. We need all the community activists we can get.

Citizen or not, McCain is not eligible for the presidency. He WOULD have been eligible had he been born just one year later. Check the law.

My mother is white American and my father is Guatemalan and I was born in another country and I am a citizen by virtue of my MOTHERS American Citizenship. Even if he weren't born in Hawaii wouldn't that still be the case? His American MOTHER?

Or does that mean I was never a citizen OMG?!

That's a birth certificate all right, freshly printed off a laser printer. I'm completely convinced! Our leaders would never lie to us. They are real American heroes, all of them, the whole Obama cabinet. And just like Bush and his people, they meet in secret at Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, or the Council on Foreign Relations founded by people like the Rockefellers(who openly state they want one world government) so I know they are looking out for Americas best interests, and this birth certificate stamped "2007" makes my dumb ass feel better about making fun of those god damn "birthers." that's all the time i have as i need to watch some more CNN to tell me what is real and what isn't.

PAY ATTENTION -- YOU STUPID IGNORANT DUMB FUX:

THAT IS __NOT__ A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

WE HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, WHICH IS A SIGN THAT YOU IDIOTS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO COMPREHEND ENGLISH.

While Obama is busy hiding his birth certificate, why don't you explain to us why Obama continued Extraordinary Rendition, why he bombed Pakistan, why he spent/committed 24 trillion dollars, why he is pushing for mandatory vaccines, why he is pushing for mandatory service, why he is pushing for mandatory health insurance, why he supports the UN's forced abortions, why he won't get America the fuck out of Iraq, why he wants to ban guns, why he is an anti-American.

No one remembers the debate over Richard Nixons birth? Goggle it.This has nothing to do with Race people. It is politics plain and simple.

Fourtennth Admendment of the Constitution.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Supreme Court 1857 by Justice BR Curtis.

The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language "a natural-born citizen." It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in the history of this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred Citizenship to the place of birth. At the Declaration of Independence, and ever since, the received general doctrine has been, in conformity with the common law, that free persons born within either of the colonies, were the subjects of the King; that by the Declaration of independence, and the consequent acquisition of sovereignty by the several States, all such persons ceased to be subjects, and became citizens of the several States, [...] .
The Constitution having recognized that persons born within the several States are citizens of the United States, one of four things must be true:
First. That the constitution itself has described what native-born persons shall or shall not be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States; or,
Second:. That it has empowered Congress to do so; or,
Third. That all free persons, born within the several States, are citizens of the United States; or,
Fourth. That it is left to each State to determine what free persons, born within its limits, shall be citizens of such State, and thereby be citizens of the United States.
If there is such a thing as Citizenship of the United States acquired by birth within the States, which the Constitution expressly recognizes, and no one denies, then those four alternatives embrace the entire subject, and it only remains to select that one which is true.

The answer is obvious. The Constitution has left to the States the determination what person, born within their respective limits, shall acquire by birth citizenship of the United States;

Birthers are racists and xenophobes. There's no way around that fact.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.

(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Berg

Do the democrats realize someone from their party started this?

NO, lets blame the republicans for everything.

I should like to know if the original said "Race - African." Sounds odd for then.

Don't look now, this racist black lady professor Carol Swain at Vanderbilt U says this isn't going away until he releases his records. ALL his records. Is this black lady a racist, too?

Can life move on now, god there has to be more important things for what's called major press. Thanks for ending it

This is not a Birth Certificate. It is a Certification of Live Birth a completely different document. A Hawaiian birth certificate from the 1960's is black with white font, contains the hospital or clinic where the birth took place, name of attending doctor, time of birth, sex etc.
This Certification is not proof of Citizenship. This country was founded on inpart that "no man is above the law" but when it comes to Obama it seem that he is because no Judge sees fit to do his job, which for me means they have abdicated their roles and their judgments are worthless.
So America feel free to ignore what a judge says since they don't follow the law themselves.
Comments to dcheer11@yahoo.com please keep them civil.

Hard evidence disproving the conspiracy ... now can we get over this `birther` nonsense and get to the real issues at hand?

This is the most amazing thing ever! LOL seeing our country come apart at the seems like this is the most fun I've had in years. I'm sure Obama was born here but seeing everyone go through all this trouble to otherwise prove otherwise just demonstrates how truly clueless we are. I'm sure I'll be flamed but I'll sleep fine tonight. LOL

How is Mr. Obama going to have a Presidential Library if everything's a secret? What-is he going to donate his iPod and a bunch of DVDs?

As an international observor, my advice to Obama is to ignore the birthers. Their shrill hysterics are going to do the Democrats a favour by making any intelligent GOP-leaning Americans defect to the left. Soon the Republics will only consist of loons.

Okay I was born in Lansdowne, PA in 1977. My parents used to have a birth certificate for me. There was a fire in our old home and we lost everything. The hospital did not have a copy. Does this make me a non-citizen? I have a state issued one but the certificate you guys seem to refer to needs to have my footprints on them and the doctors signature as well as the hospital name. I don't have that.

Obama was born in the United States. Get over it. McCain lost and the Republican party is falling apart because you stupid, racist, ignorant, wastes of oxygen have to bitch and complain.

Also Republicans are not fiscally conservative. get that out of your heads. You bums have spent our future on constant WAR. Nothing good has come from the Reaganomics or anything that piece of crap has done.

America is waking up to the Nazi tactics of the Republicans.

The document that Team Obama released is a Certification of Live Birth; and a Certification of Live Birth and a Birth Certificate (A Certificate of Live Birth)... [notice the difference in the words "certification" and "certificate"] are two totally different documents.
A Certification of Live Birth- the document that Team Obama produced is a "short form" document... a print out of information that has been entered - at some point in time, by someone - into a computer database. A Certificate of Live Birth(an actual birth certificate) - on the other hand contains more information.
Produced at the time a person is actually born (meaning it can not be changed or altered simply by accessing a computer database), it gives the specific location of birth, the hospital, the time of birth, the attending physician... the names of witnesses to the birth....
So what's the big deal? For starters, the Certification of Live Birth is totally inadequate when it
comes to validating that Obama is eligible under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution to be President.
The State of Hawaii provide an concrete example, as to why.

Hawaii maintains programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians.
The Hawaii Department of Home Lands (DHHL), a government agency, oversees these programs and,
among other things, must validate that applicants for these programs are, in fact, native Hawaiians.
Pursuant to the administration of these programs, DHHLstates the following on its website:

"In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the
original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record
of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout).
Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the
computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

If the State of Hawaii does not accept the Certification of Live Birth as singular proof that an individual
was actually born in Hawaii, why should we?

So where was Obama born?
Only an actual birth certificate can answer that question (not the Certification of Live Birth that Obama
produced) - and Obama has multiple teams of lawyers dedicated to the proposition that nobody - but nobody -
gets to see the one document that can clear up this controversy. That's insane.

It's outrageous that Obama continues to cover up the truth.It's impossible not to conclude that he's
hiding something.
In his grandiose Memorandum For The Heads Of Executive Departments And Agencies, Obama proclaimed:

"SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government: My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented
level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and establish a system
of transparency, public participation, and collaboration. Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote
efficiency and effectiveness in Government."

Just pretty words. They mean absolutely nothing to Barack Obama, the non-transparent president -
if indeed he is the President.

The nerve of these "birthers". Wanting their President to actually follow the law. Wanting their President to actually be an American. Yeah, they're loony. Monica Lewinski was nuts before that blue dress showed up, too. Maybe Obama can go on TV and wave his finger in front of our faces.......

1) Anyone else read the small print? ""This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding. [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]".

2) I don't see any details on the type of documentation required to prove citizenship in the constitution. It seems as if even a "BORN IN AMERICA" bumper sticker will do, as long as it's recognized by the Federal Government.

3) I think that if Obama is "hiding" anything here, it's just that he's lost the original copy, which shoudn't be an issue as long as there is other ways to verify the birth (which there are). I'm sure there's millions of Americans who have lost original documents and it doesn't make them any less American either.

the certificate shown here as proof of obamas birth, is not the certificate used if you were actually born in hawaii, its only a regsitration of birth and not the real thing. why doesnt obama open all his records up, there are a lot of unanswered questions about his background. he is a fraud thats why.

Could we please see Orly Taintz's legal alien card? I doubt that she is a real American.

I never thought birth of Obama will become such a big discussion topic. I am following this closely to see where this conspiracy ends. Meanwhile I have collected some good articles and sites related to Barack Obama (more than 200 sites or articles). If you are interested take a look at the below link
http://markthispage.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-do-i-get-information-about-barack.html

Anyone know what the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate" is? They are NOT the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ4mH_L9RAE

To that_girl,

The live birth certificate that was on President Obama's site is NOT the way all Hawaiin certificats appear. In fact, live birth certificates from 1961, 62 and 60 have been made public and they actually are in a different font, they have far more information on them, including the doctor, the hospital and more, and they do not list Africans as "African". Quit reading the liberal spew and research the facts.

After reading through just about all the comments, I can tell rather easily the Liberal's from the Conservatives. Read over them yourself and see if you can tell who is calling who names (like immature children) and cutting the other person down. It's in the Bible...Christians will be prosecuted.

I know someone that was born in the 60's in the Hawaiian islands and their birth certificate doesn't look like that at all. Comparing them would make Obama's certificate seem new and not printed back in 1961. I don't mean new like he went out and had them reissue his, I mean new like after the 60's were over and not done in the 60's at all..

Thank you. What possible good could your persistence cause? and more information about this.

I have one of them there hawaii birt cetificates myself, and for basics what is missing is hospital of birth and doctors name. Mine has that information how come his doesnt? Either that is a fraud or he took that information out for some reason. Now why would he do that? Could it be more facts to verify? Was he born in Hawaii? I for one don't really know but what is being vague with this information indicate?