Obama: Healthcare 'urgent,' no 'Waterloo'

"The need for reform is urgent, and it is indisputable,'' the president said,"

The current Zogby poll shows 84% of Americans are happy with their current healthcare.

So what's so urgent? Sadly, your president is lying to you.

Demint's recent comments show exactly how self serving and shallow the average right-wing politician is.

Most of us already knew this but it sure was nice of Demint to bleet it out in public and remind everyone exactly what the goons on the right are all about - themselves and their rich pals.

Thanks Jimmy, see ya at the healthcare signing ceremony!

Republicans know that a successful health care reform that achieves universal coverage will bury them electorally for a generation. Health insurers and Big Pharma know that a powerful public option and a Medicare bargaining for prices will kick them off the gravy train permanently. Republicans and Big Insurance Company propagandists know their scare tactics aren't nearly as scary as reality for the large majority of Americans.

Raise your hand if you want politicians in charge of your medical care....
Obama lies, the economy dies.

The current Zogby poll shows 84% of Americans are happy with their current healthcare. So what's so urgent? Sadly, your president is lying to you.

Posted by: k | July 20, 2009 2:39 PM
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I'm sure the pasty white Republcan rich guys are happy with their current healthcare - they can afford it.

Meanwhile, the other 80% of Americans have nothing and are forced to go without.

The Dems need to keep highlighting Demint's moronic "Waterloo" comment. They also should highlight Steele's "I don't do policy" comment too. Show the people what the Republican strategy is: the Big Insurance Lobby.

The Republicans are obsessed with taking down Obama, rather than the health and welfare of the American people etc etc etc.

It needs to be repeated, over and over again.

Most of what's left of the Republican base are dumber than a bag of rocks, they probably think Demint's idiotic "Waterloo" comment refers to a good ABBA song.

The current Zogby poll shows 84% of Americans are happy with their current healthcare.

So what's so urgent? Sadly, your president is lying to you.

Posted by: k | July 20, 2009 2:39 PM

So lets just ignore the other 16% right?
Doesnt matter that most of them are children right? Or the fact that these are the people who serve and clean for you right? So typical of the right wing agenda to keep the rich richer and the poor dying.

With the Republican smear-the-public-option campaign---designed by Wingnut mouth-breather Frank Luntz---in full swing, here's a handy, crystal-clear rebuttal you can print out and leave on windshields and utility poles (and even in emergency rooms!) across America:

5 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT PRESIDENT OBAMA'S PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION

1. Choice, choice, choice. If the public health insurance option passes, Americans will be able to choose between their current insurance and a high-quality, government-run plan similar to Medicare. If you like your current care, you can keep it. If you don't—or don't have any—you can get the public insurance plan.

2. It will be high-quality coverage with a choice of doctors. Government-run plans have a track record of innovating to improve quality, because they're not just focused on short-term profits. And if you choose the public plan, you'll still get to choose your doctor and hospital.

3. We'll all save a bunch of money. The public health insurance option won't have to spend money on things like CEO bonuses, shareholder dividends, or excessive advertising, so it'll cost a lot less. Plus, the private plans will have to lower their rates and provide better value to compete, so people who keep their current insurance will save, too.

4. It will always be there for you and your family. A for-profit insurer can close, move out of the area, or just kick you off their insurance rolls. The public health insurance option will always be available to provide you with the health security you need.

5. And it's a key part of universal health care. No longer will sick people or folks in rural communities, or low-income Americans be forced to go without coverage. The public health insurance plan will be available and accessible to everyone. And for those struggling to make ends meet, the premiums will be subsidized by the government.

It might not hurt to give your senators a jingle and ask 'em which they embrace more: campaign contributions from the big insurance lobby and Frank Luntz's Republican propaganda, or historic legislation that will enhance their legacy and make them heroes among their constituents for improving the health and well-being of all Americans. Be patient---sadly, it could take some of 'em a while to decide.

101,000 Americans die UNNECESSARILY each year because of lack of access to basic medical care that they would get in most other industrialized nations.
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http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Content/Publications/In-the-Literature/2008/Jan/Measuring-the-Health-of-Nations--Updating-an-Earlier-Analysis.aspx

I keep asking my "Canada bashing" kool-aid drinking Wingnut friends to find me just ONE comprehensive poll in Canada showing that Canadians would swap their health care system, warts and all, for ours...Haven't seen any yet.

And believe me, if there were any polls favorable to the Republican cause of denying healthcare to everyone, the Republican minions would be linking to them all day long. Instead, all they have is a handfull of anecdotes that they got from Druggy Limbaugh and Glenn Beck etc.

AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY!

It’s official. America and the World are now in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. A World EPIDEMIC with potential catastrophic consequences for ALL of the American people. The first PANDEMIC in 41 years. And WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES will have to face this PANDEMIC with the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed World.

STAND READY AMERICA TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

We spend over twice as much of our GDP on healthcare as any other country in the World. And Individual American spend about ten times as much out of pocket on healthcare as any other people in the World. All because of GREED! And the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare system in America.

And while all this is going on, some members of congress seem mostly concern about how to protect the corporate PROFITS! of our GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT NATIONAL DISGRACE. A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DISGRACE that is in fact, totally valueless to the public health. And a detriment to national security, public safety, and the public health.

Progressive democrats the Tri-Caucus and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust government-run public option for all Americans, with all of the minimum requirements progressive democrats demanded. If congress can not pass a robust public option with at least 51 votes and all robust minimum requirements, congress should immediately move to scrap healthcare reform and request that President Obama declare a state of NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Seizing and replacing all PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance plans with the immediate implementation of National Healthcare for all Americans under the provisions of HR676 (A Single-payer National Healthcare Plan For All).

Coverage can begin immediately through our current medicare system. With immediate expansion through recruitment of displaced workers from the canceled private sector insurance industry. Funding can also begin immediately by substitution of payroll deductions for private insurance plans with payroll deductions for the national healthcare plan. This is what the vast majority of the American people want. And this is what all objective experts unanimously agree would be the best, and most cost effective for the American people and our economy.

In Mexico on average people who received medical care for A-H1N1 (Swine Flu) with in 3 days survived. People who did not receive medical care until 7 days or more died. This has been the same results in the US. But 50 million Americans don’t even have any healthcare coverage. And at least 200 million of you with insurance could not get in to see your private insurance plans doctors in 2 or 3 days, even if your life depended on it. WHICH IT DOES!

If President Obama has to declare a NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY to rescue the American people from our healthcare crisis, he will need all the sustained support you can give him. STICK WITH HIM! He’s doing a brilliant job.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE!

THE BATTLE OF GOOD Vs EVIL!

Join the fight.

Contact congress and your representatives NOW! AND SPREAD THE WORD!

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God Bless You

Jacksmith – WORKING CLASS

Who cares what America thinks it needs we know they need tax cuts for the rich, oil drilling and a Cultist GOP in charge of baptising all the children of the land. and deregulated free markets. also. You Betcha!

The logo above Obama's head looks chillingly like Mickey Mouse.... just like the health coverage you will receive if his insanity passes.

Wapost/ABC poll today:

54% of Americans support a government run option paid for by taxes on the rich (the very same rich people whom the BushCo Republicans gave tax cuts to the last eight years while everyone else was left to drown in debt).
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_072009.html

That's a damning statistic and indictment against any claim that the Republican party is a national party. They only act in the narrow interests of their own small, local electorate, never what's in the best interests of the national party.

And the interests of the national party and the interests of those rigid, ideologue, conservative Republicans are opposed to each other.

The only Republicans left are extremists in extremely Republican states (excepting perhaps Maine) and their extremely Republican, conservative electorate doesn't line up with the American electorate.

Just shows what a total flop Obama is turning out to be, but for sure he knows how to waste money, taxpayers.

"I'm sure the pasty white Republcan rich guys are happy with their current healthcare - they can afford it.

Meanwhile, the other 80% of Americans have nothing and are forced to go without.

Posted by: Kathy | July 20, 2009 2:54 PM"

That's 164%. How old are you?

"So lets just ignore the other 16% right?
Doesnt matter that most of them are children right? Or the fact that these are the people who serve and clean for you right? So typical of the right wing agenda to keep the rich richer and the poor dying.

Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | July 20, 2009 3:21 PM "

Didn't we just pass a huge tax on cigarettes to fund SCHIP? What about Medicaid? Why can't we just work on that 16%? If the cost is so high, why do we want to take on the 84% that are happy too?

(Hint - it's not about health, it's about power.)

That's 164%. How old are you?

Posted by: k | July 20, 2009 3:51 PM
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Ya, it shows exactly how misguided the polls that your hero, the Republican loving Zogby is.

Keep drinking the kool-aide, Teresa - I thought your specialty was bashing unions, not shilling for the Healthcare Industrial lobby.

Obama's Health Reform is his Waterloo? Ha Ha Ha, just when I think a Republican can't possibly say anything more stupid than the things they have been saying for the last eight years in support of W. and Cheney, up pops this Jim Demint clown to prove me wrong again.

It's a Slam Dunk, and Here's Why

Although it may appear that corporate medicine's opposition is strong enough to kill health care reform, I would argue that Obama's health reform is now a slam dunk inevitability. Not only that, Obama's public health plan will mean the end of the health insurance industry. And, I say good riddance to this bloated evil empire....
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read more here:
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http://jeffreydach.com/2009/06/30/obamas-health-reform-a-slam-dunk-inevitable-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx
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Jeffrey Dach MD

Health Insurance Insiders Speak Out and Spill The Beans

Wendell Potter, a career insider in the health insurance industry for many years, has turned hero and speaks out about the secret, deceptive and corrupt practices of the health insurance industry. Wendell Potter says, "I'm the former insurance industry insider now speaking out about how big for-profit insurers have hijacked our health care system and turned it into a giant ATM for Wall Street investors, and how the industry is using its massive wealth and influence to determine what is (and is not) included in the health care reform legislation members of Congress are now writing."

"What I saw happening over the past few years was a steady movement away from the concept of insurance and toward "individual responsibility," a term used a lot by insurers and their ideological allies. This is playing out as a continuous shifting of the financial burden of health care costs away from insurers and employers and onto the backs of individuals. As a result, more and more sick people are not going to the doctor or picking up their prescriptions because of costs. If they are unfortunate enough to become seriously ill or injured, many people enrolled in these plans find themselves on the hook for such high medical bills that they are losing their homes to foreclosure or being forced into bankruptcy".
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http://www.prwatch.org/node/8422

> 44,230 more people are losing health coverage each week.

> 191,670 more people are losing health coverage each month.

> 2.3 million more people are losing health coverage each year

Republicans know that a successful health care reform that achieves universal coverage will bury them electorally for a generation. Health Insurers and their Lobbyists and Big Pharma know that a powerful public option and a Medicare bargaining for prices will kick them off the gravy train permanently. Republicans and Big Insurance Company propagandists know their scare tactics aren't nearly as scary as reality for the large majority of Americans.

Our health care system is disintegrating. Today, 46 million people have no health insurance and even more are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. At a time when 60 million people, including many with insurance, do not have access to a medical home, more than 18,000 Americans die every year from preventable illnesses because they do not get to the doctor when they should. This is six times the number who died at the tragedy of 9/11 - but this occurs every year.

In the midst of this horrendous lack of coverage, the U.S. spends far more per capita on health care than any other nation - and health care costs continue to soar. At $2.4 trillion dollars, and 18 percent of our GDP, the skyrocketing cost of health care in this country is unsustainable both from a personal and macro-economic perspective.

It always makes me laugh when I hear people say they want to preserve "insurance choice" in this country. What choice do you have when you work and are nominally "insured," but your insurance coverage doesn't pay for anything you need? Are you then going to have the ability to run out and purchase extra coverage on the wages you make? Well, I guess you have the "choice" to rob a bank or maybe win the lottery to pay for it, but that's about it.

Republicans and their rich oligarchy supporters (Healthcare CEO's and Lobbyists) will do anything to kill a good healthcare bill because they know people will like it and when that happens their electoral goose will be cooked for generations - if it's not already.

84% satisfied my sphygmomanometer.

That's like those polls last year that showed all the Democrats favored Hillary Clinton.

I couldn't find anyone in Chicago who favored her.

And I don't know anyone who's "satisfied" or "happy" with their health insurance or lack thereof.

Scare tactics from the Republicans...if anyone really reads the bill, if you like what you have as healthcare, you keep it. No one is going to force you to sign up if you are already covered. I understand though, people will only hear what they want to hear, and what they want to believe is the truth, not the truth.

Those of you who do not think your healthcare is already rationed need to WAKE UP! Your healthcare is already rationed by the people who make sure the insurance companies collect as much of your premium as they can and deny coverage if a treatment your doctor orders is not on their list of standard practices for whatever disease you are diagnosed with. CEOs for those companies want their $20 million dollar bonuses just like Goldman Sachs and BofA CEOs do.

also Jim Demint:
Republicans aren't interested in bipartisanship. They aren't interested in meaningful health care reform. And God knows they don't give a damn what it means for millions of Americans. The only thing they want is a political victory. Period.

Six months into his administration, Obama's poll numbers are the 3rd worst for any president since World War II. The Real Clear Politics website has the details.

Why are Liberals and Socialists pushing healthcare for everyone? It’s because they have an agenda of killing off the weak and voiceless among us. If the government controls healthcare, then the government can dictate who lives and who dies, who’s useful and who’s not, who’s perfect and who’s imperfect, who’s too old to live or too young to be born.

Sound familiar? It should – it’s what happened in Nazi Germany. People considered “sub-human” were deserving of death or concentration encampment in order for the “Perfect Nazi” population to populate Germany and its conquered territories.

Kathy,

And losers like don't have enough skills and/or ambition to earn your own.

Scotty,

The Dems curent plan only covers 2/3 of the 16% and still runs at a deficit. Aren't the remaining 5% important?

Can we forget left-wing and right-wing politics for a moment, and just focus on what is the reasonable thing to do? Whoever made the “Waterloo” comment is an idiot. No one should be interested in derailing plans simply because they might give another politician or party more political capital. The only reason one should oppose the health care bill is that it is a bad idea. If it’s a bad idea, then no one should endorse it. If it’s a good idea, then no one should oppose it.
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I’ll make no bones about it. I oppose the current plan. But this has nothing to do with the fortunes of any political party. I don’t care if the plan is good for Democrats or bad for Republicans, or vice versa. I oppose it because it leaves the basic defects in place, has no cost control, is far too restrictive in terms of personal liberty and autonomy and is generally questionable in terms of its constitutionality.
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The defect it leaves in place is that it allows insurance companies to remain in charge without any effective price or service controls. The government may make insurance companies take people with pre-existing conditions, but there is little in there to control insurance costs. Insurance companies will still be allowed to take two out of every three dollars spent on health care for themselves, and they will still be able to write procedure exclusions in language fitting only for the stereo instructions from hell. The same bean counters who make bad medical decisions for doctors will continue to make these decisions. As of now, the insurance companies have so much control over the medical profession that doctors can hardly justify their titles as purveyors of medical skill. They are more like “enforcers” of those who call the shots. I have seen doctors attempt to arm-twist patients into accepting less than optimal care because of their limits. Whatever mandates the federal government imposes on available procedures can be changed from one administration to the next through the pressure from the insurance lobby. Where is the efficiency or cost savings in any of that?
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If we really wanted to make the system effective, the health care reform bill wouldn’t be a health care reform bill - it would be a consumer protection bill to save people and their doctors and hospitals from the predatory and fraudulent practices of the insurance companies, and perhaps one that would provide for an assigned risk duty to take patients with pre-existing conditions, much the same way insurance companies are currently assigned to insure drivers with bad driving records. It might also be a tort reform bill to limit pain and suffering awards in malpractice actions - which is the single most significant reason why many doctors can’t afford to practice medicine and why hospitals have been closing their ERs. But, no, instead the current plan leaves the wolves in charge of the hen house. This is what makes the bill feel like less than a genuine attempt at fixing the situation.
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And what genuine cost controls are there? The same plan has been implemented in Massachusetts, and they are having a very tough time controlling costs. Promises from insurance companies to keep insurance “affordable” are hardly worth the water they are written on.
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And for the dubious returns for all of this we are to stand ready to be ear-tagged, numbered and collectivized? I don’t think so. It is questionable, at best, whether the federal government has the power to coerce people into parting with their property for the benefit of a private, third-party insurer. In the good old days, at least, the Courts would have held that such an arrangement violated the “Taking Clause” of the Fifth Amendment. Furthermore, the effect will be to force everyone into a doctor-patient relationship of some kind. That’s a strange result when one considers that Roe v. Wade was largely decided on the notion that people have a privacy and autonomy interest in their bodies that prohibit anything other than “consensual” doctor-patient relationships. I also don’t think I need to remind anyone of the very problem of trying to squeeze the regulation of medical services into the restraints of the Commerce Clause. I can see insurance contracts that are transacted in interstate commerce subject to such regulation, but not the personal services of a local doctor or hospital.
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After musing all of this, I have come to the conclusion that Dr. Jeffrey Dach MD (above) has got something on the ball. He corretly surmises that the current bill isn’t an attempt at fixing health care. It is an expensive attempt to trash the current system to rid us of insurance companies altogether. Once insurance companies prove they cannot act cooperatively with the medical profession and patients, the next step will simply be to cut them out of the loop altogether, have a total government takeover of the medical system, and implement a single payer system.
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The Libertarian and constitutional traditionalist in me, however, still has a great deal of trouble with doing business this way. Methinks our efforts would be better spent on heavier consumer protection laws to prevent the massive gouging and fraud going on, rather than entirely eliminate the medicine from free market forces. A government always has a legitimate role in protecting individuals from harm wrought by other people and organizations. It has less legitimacy imposing nanny-state programs before other, market based changes have been tried.

I have to agree, that all the Repubs are thinking about is working for the failure of President Obama. repubs are playing polities with the health care of many, many Americans. I sincerely believe that the Repubs should short up or put up.

We all remember the commercials that were made by Republicans and their pals at the Big Insurance Industry to trick Americans into thinking that health care reform would hurt average working families. We now see what has happened to the health-care system. CEOs rake in the big bucks from the huge profits they take in as health-insurance costs have skyrocketed.

FierceHealthcare reports the following top 10 CEO salaries for 2008:
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* Ron Williams - Aetna - Total Compensation: $24,300,112.
* H. Edward Hanway - CIGNA - Total Compensation: $12,236,740.
* Angela Braly - WellPoint - Total Compensation: $9,844,212.
* Dale Wolf - Coventry Health Care - Total Compensation: $9,047,469.
* Michael Neidorff - Centene - Total Compensation: $8,774,483.
* James Carlson - AMERIGROUP - Total Compensation: $5,292,546.
* Michael McCallister - Humana - Total Compensation: $4,764,309.
* Jay Gellert - Health Net - Total Compensation: $4,425,355.
* Richard Barasch - Universal American - Total Compensation: $3,503,702.
* Stephen Hemsley - UnitedHealth Group - Total Compensation: $3,241,042.

My rates go up and coverage goes down every time I turn around. And then they just decide not to cover certain medications without an explanation. Even scumbag criminals are resurfacing like Rick Scott to try and con America for a second time -- and the corporate media does nothing about it.
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http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/dont-let-third-way-ben-nelsons-or-repub

The CBO isn't liking the plan.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25104.html

Some, like Stinky, tout the $6 billion deficit. The $245 billion to get there is done on the backs of the doctore by cutting their Medicare payments by 21%. Cut the pay of doctors, you will have less doctors. If you have less doctors, you have less medical services - that will lead to rationing.

The deficits under this bill are not decreasing as time goes on, they are increasing at an alarming rate. The bill only covers 2/3 of the uninsured. The graph in rthe attached tells it all.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124801397829262869.html

Most people are unaware how similar the major corporate health insurers are to our failed Wall Street firms.They are corporate cash cows and have virtually no fiduciary responsibility and few activities for protecting or improving health or the health care system.They will devote their vast resources to prevent any meaningful health reform. They have controlled Congress (mostly Republicans) and the mainstream media. The only cure is vigorous popular support for a public option.

* The corporate insurance companies are out for profit and must work to maximize their value on the stock market and not our friends. They treat patients like widgets or cost centers. This is not a culture of trust, caring, compassion, and fiduciary responsibility. If you were dumb enough to hope that Countrywide Mortgage would preserve your home and Lehman Brothers would preserve your retirement fund, then you will be stupid enough to expect Anthem Blue Cross and the other insurance companies to be there to protect your health. Yet it seems all Washington continues under this delusion.

* The employer based private health insurance industry has been created by us, is hugely subsidized by public policy and public money and is expensive, inefficient, costly , and a structural barrier to a healthy America. It needs to be eliminated.

* The only cure for our problem is a strong public option national, universal, health financing program like Medicare for All. This is an efficient way to pool risk and share the unexpected costs of illness. Fifty percent of our population has virtually no medical expenses while five percent consume 25 percent of all personal medical care costs. This why we need the insurance principle: unexpected medical expenses are relatively rare and can be huge and should be spread across the whole population. Financial costs related to illness cause over 50 percent of personal bankruptcies in the United States. Over 46 million Americans are rationed out of the medical system (and during this economic catastrophe this number is growing by 10,000 people per day) 46 million people are subject to excess morbidity and mortality because they cannot afford financing and the insurance industry cannot profit from them. Health insurance is important and necessary. We need an efficient, national, publicaly sponsored, universal health financing system. This is the only treatment that will be a cure.

"""Health insurance is important and necessary. We need an efficient, national, publicaly sponsored, universal health financing system. This is the only treatment that will be a cure."""

You have got to be kidding, "Zee". Please tell me you're kidding.

You spend three paragraphs extolling the inefficiencies of the current system, based on impersonal profit, and claim in the fourth paragraph that the exact same program -- only this time run by the government -- is going to cure it?

Are you demented?

The government takes the worst aspects of impersonalizing bureaucracy and removes the profit-motive, thus ensuring that the exact same treatment of "patients like widgets or cost centers" will continue, and that the resulting system will not have "virtually no fiduciary responsibility"; it will, instead, have "no fiduciary responsibility" at all.

Which would you rather have have, a cash cow? or a cash drain?

There is an article, front page of the on-line Trib right now, describing the hoops people have to jump through with the current insurance system, which does all it can to remove doctors from the health care decisions, Instead, the insurance companies tell doctors what they can and cannot do.

Do you want more of that? Do you want the government accountants making your health care decisions now?

Wow...Are you really saying that Obama is lying? What the hell do you say about George W. Bush Jr. than?
Republicans are mad because the past eight years have destroyed the economy. Clinton built up a two-trillion dollar surplus and the republicans decide to put an unintelligent and inarticulate president in office. That settles it Republicans are mad that Obama is brilliant and articulate. He also knows what it's like in the middle class...George Bush F***ed the middle class and allowed big business to send jobs over seas to India, China, Asia, and Brazil.

wish people would stop that age old line now of trying to sway popular opinion by saying "do you really want politicians running your healthcare system" This is NOT and I repeat, NOT what Obama is trying to do. He is trying to give the have haves and more importantly the have nots, an alternative option and and is having his appointee (name escapes me) in charge of the Medicare Sys, cut out a lot of wasteful spending that we've been doing for years and to regulate the high premiums insurance companies benefit from and from which our wallets feel the outlandishly heavy burden. Already, there has been too much injustice and deregulation of an industry that is among the most corrupt in all the world. It's time for some changes. It's time to level the playing field, get healthcare for the 45 million uninsured, to provide a gov't option, but I will give the republicans and RNC chairman this: We need to watch the immigration issue and include measures to safeguard our citizens against a growing population of illegal immigrants that may drain on the systems resources. Costs need to continue to be analyzed and addressed by our CBO budget analyst and economists. We do need a few more weeks at least to trim, cut and beef up this health care reform bill in all the right areas, for it is one of the greatest undertakings our country has ever seen - Matt Reuter, District of Columbia

SAY HEY!! Devil's advocate and inky: really informative entry's, republicans are usually not intelligent, just greedy. THE REPUBLICAN'S NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEY ONLY DO THINGS TO THIS COUNTRY. McCain says the health insurance of workers should be taxed! He doesn't even pay taxes on his 58,000 dollar pension, while I pay taxes on my pension and my social security monies. WHAT THE HEY!! You can sell me auto insurance, life insurance, property insurance or accident insurance! HEALTH INSURANCE IS A RACKET CREATED BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES!! MADOFF AND ABRAMOFF SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THAT RACKET, THEY DON'T SELLL HEALTH INSURANCE TO SICK PEOPLE OR INSURE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS! If the citizen's of this country don't get national health care, then no one should get health care paid for by the citizen's, PERIOD!! EVERYONE GETYS HEALTH CARE OR NO ONE GETS HEALTH CARE, PERIOD!! AND WHILE WE ARE AT IT NO ONE SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO A PENSION PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYER, PERIOD!! What we need is a SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT RUN PLAN, ELIMINATE THE HEALTH INSURANCE BUSINESS, WHICH IS A SCAM AND A RACKET, I THOUGHT WE HAD RACKETEERING LAWS ON OUR BOOKS?? BULLDOZE THE EXISTING SYSTEM AND CONSTRUCT A NEW SINGLE PAYER PLAN IN A FORWARD AND ON A MEASURED PACE, SO AS TO GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME, WITH OR WITHOUT THE RIGHT WING NUTS!! GRASSLELY, RANGEL, DAVE CAMP, BAUCUS AND ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE'S SHOULD HAVE TO GIVE BACK ANY POLITICAL DONATIONS ACCEPTED FROM ANYONE IN THE LAST 3 YEARS AND FOR 3 MORE YEARS, IF THEY HAD ANY CONNECTIONS TO OR FOR THE MEDICAL FIELD OR PHARMACEUTICALS, OR HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY OR THEY CAN DISMISS THEMSELVES FROM THE COMMITTEE OR COMMITTEE'S. whiteagle38

Nobody knows what this clowns plans really are.... Nobody has read the bill, again. And judging by how well the stimulus package is going, I'd bet that the health care plan is not going to be much better.
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Because of 3000 Americans lost, four planes, several buildings, and a loss of a false sense of security we started two wars we have yet to end, ceded our civil rights, our privacy, trillions of dollars, thousands more American lives, and tens of thousands of American limbs, mired our military might, and it can be arguably said to have all gained this country very little in return. Why is it anti-American to muster any effort in order to protect and secure tens of millions of Americans without firing a single bullet?

come on man you a make a issue on the water loo....