Obama's birth: 'Appeasing the nut-cases'

Well, the real nutcase in this report is Spit Matthews. I have followed this birth certificate story. And on occasion it seems like there is always something to it. My one thought, though, whenever I look at that birth certificate is how modern it looks. The president is about my age and while I was born in Chicago, my certificate looks like it is from the early 1960s. Obama's certificate looks like is is something from the past 10 years. And while I realize this is an electronic birth certificate, shouldn't it look like the time it was created? Everything from the typing, font, styling, it looks modern, not early 1960s.

Oh good, you showed the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. Now try to find the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH....thats the form that has the doctors name and signature, the name of the hospital and relevent embossed seal.
While you are at it, try to get his school transcripts, records and any other info while he was a senator.

illequipped,

Overreacting a tad, huh? And yes, they did land on the moon 40 years ago.

Mark No use wasting space on this issue, as long as The Birth comes though Obma's cronies. Have head Obama's aunt said he was born in Kenya, if so and ever comes out will be the biggest fraud in America Political History and hope he has to leave the office in disgrace.

I hope this thing just keeps on rolling on.

Nothing will do more to divide the GOP more than the Birfer movement. Every Republican running for a House seat will either have to disavow the Birfers and throw them under the bus or joing the tinfoilhat brigade in the 8% of the country known as nutburger land.

Ha ha ha!!!

The "Wingnut Birthers"....

What more proof do people need to see that the Republican party has turned into a fringe regional (the South) party?

Ha Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Today's hardcore Republican congressman are absolutely, completely, totally nuts...and they are totally captive to a low IQ Wingnuuty base that's even crazier.

The Republican party should have thought about what might happen to their collective IQ of their party before they went out and started bashing:
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Intellectuals
Minorities
The Poor
The Working Class
The Middle Class
Anyone who isn't a white evangelical douchenozzle

The Republican governor of Hawaii certified the state's copy of Obama's birth certificate. The Clinton's, some of the most cutthroat politicians on the planet, have vetted Obama's birth certificate. The RNC, the DNC, and McCain's campaign staff vetted Obama's birth certificate.

I would say that is good enough proof to me, and some folks out there need to get over themselves and stop being so bitter a black guy from Chicago kicked your collective behinds in the last election.

Give it up, you party members, in search of a Party. Maybe Neut Getrich, will draw up another contract and you can join him in the gutting of America !! President Obama is more American than most of you, at least he shows respect to the Office of the Presidency. Something that you may acquire some day, when you grow up !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

I'm not surprised in the least that what's left of the Republican base would be stupid enough to believe the Pres Obama birther crap

Don't forget what remains of the Republican base .. paranoid self-pitying people loaded with rage and grievances and feeling betrayed and condescended to. And along comes some dumb Republican politician like Palin with her dog-whistle racism and appeals to the conceit of nasty stupid people to feed the nutiness.

Anyone can be a Republican politician now days all you have to do is euphemistically praise mean pinch-faced church-going bigots and issue euphemized putdowns of minorities and gays etc, and then you would be rolling in campaign cash.

NEWSFLASH

Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater, one of the gods of the neo-cons, was not born in any of the 50 states of the USA, nor was John McCainm remember him?

Oooooh conspiracy. Scramble to Rush (or is it Rush to Scramble?)

I just recently got my passport. I don't have my orignal birth certificate (love my folks, but they're scatterbrained). So I got an official copy from the State and guess what? It's just as valid.

Orignals and copies are the same. Just admit you think Obama is Marxist Muslim Manchurian candidate

One of the things that people miss on this story are the facts. FACT #1 - NO ONE CHECKS eligibility of presidential candidates, state or federal government. Hard to believe, huh? Fact.
Fact #2 - Not one person from Hawaii has actually seen the original birth certificate, and NO ONE has confirmed or verified that the image posted by Obama's people is authentic. By law, actually, Onaka, Fukino, etc. ARE NOT allowed to look at it unless Obama consents.

Think about how absurd it is: Instead of using a Hawaiian official to verify the COLB, that it refers to the records in their own vault, he gets factcheck.org's Jess Hennig and Joe Miller to authenticate the document??? What do they know about Hawaiian documents?

For this reason and many others, the image online is a fake. It's so obvious. He will never show because he knows this. I'm glad the ground swell is forming.

By the way, how could a bill making a candidate show an original birth certificate hurt anyone? It fulfills the Constitution, Matthews! What stupid games are you playing? He probably doesn't know that NO ONE CHECKS either!

Check up on it people, those who know are astonished: No one enforces Article 2 of the Constitution regarding eligibility. If someone does, name the agency. Trust me, you won't find it. Everyone is aware of it now.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

SIGNED
SEALED
DELIVERED

I agree 1000% with poster Steve-
these people "can't handle the truth"

Chris "got a chill running up my leg" Matthews is a buffoon. The document he held up on camera was a COLB not a birth certificate, not that he cares about the truth. Only the long-form BC shows place of birth.

If Obama has a long-form, why doesn’t he show it? If he doesn’t have one, why not? After all, he said in his book, "Dreams" that he found it. People that hide things, usually have something to hide. He works for us. We have a right to know! We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to send a message to Obama and to EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL VIOLATOR OF OUR RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=44026&o=1&rv=1248225943398#commentslistpos#ixzz0LwnJ0oM0

Oddly, the Dan Rather debacle is partially responsible for this particular crazy that won't die -- docs proved to be fake, and all of that.

It doesn't matter how many times you or anyone else shows the birth certificate (and thanks for showing it), the crazies won't face reality. This is the same group that "approved" of president Bush when the other 80% of the country saw reality.

But for congressmen to be sponsoring a bill about this nonsense? We need an amendment to their bill requiring all elected officials take a sanity test prior to being sworn in. And if they fail (as a shocking number of them will), their Democratic opponent gets the seat.

ilikai wrote: ---"Oh good, you showed the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. Now try to find the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.."---

Q: In the eyes of the law, what's the difference between the CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH. and the CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH?

A: Not one damned thing. Now go back in your little cave.

Some people are such morons. PEOPLE research. Obama's mother was from Kansas. EVEN if he WAS born in Kenya. Guess what, he's a citizen.

Read the freakin' rules. Gah, such IDIOTS.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=9424d88de8c9f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=96719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

Calling All Wingnut Crackpots!

Come forward and join the GOP's march off the electoral cliff!

Republicans have been living for years with the right-wing lunatic fringe "media" (Bill-O, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh etc) telling them what to think, who and what to fear, and telling them that any minute now whoever they're scared of is coming after them. And taking their guns. And their rights. And they are foreign and scary. So you'd better go send your sons and daughters to fight our illegal wars or you will die.

I swear, the average Republican dittohead must have to change their browned underwear at least three times a day.

This birth certificate garbage is just more of the same old mass brainwashing crap that the Republican overlords use to keep the little Wingnut dittoheads in line. If you've ever read one of Johnny D's incoherent rants on here then you know what I'm talking about.

One thing is clear: a long line of MSM and sub-MSM reporters have told a long line of very cut-and-dried lies about this issue. For instance, just last week CNN claimed that HI's governor had "validated" BHO cert. Yet, HI's governor never made any such statement.

See my completely fact-based coverage here:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Please note: I'm not claiming he was born in Kenya. My claim is that where he was born hasn't yet been proven, because all the forms of "proof" so far offered are full of holes. The link above shows how BHO opponents should deal with this issue: as a way to discredit the MSM.

I keep thinking the republican base couldn't get any stupider. At this rate, they'll soon be completely brain dead.

Let's face the Real Truth here. Birthers are part of a group of people who just can't BELIEVE that the rest of America was willing to elect a non-white, non-far right President. The Birther controversy is their ultimate "do-over"--"If all of you were so stupid as to elect someone WE hate, we'll invalidate the whole election by saying Obama should have never been elected at all and save you from yourselves."

The next logical step will be the "patriots" who will try to save us yet again by overthrowing this election. Oh wait, we already have them, don't we?

It sure is crazy to think that anybody could be born outside the U.S. What's next, putting a man on the moon? Yeah, right!

I'm well aware that the Republican party has become a world-wide joke but this birth certificate nonsense takes the mass Wingnut stupid to another level on the crazy dial.

This just shows you how diverged the conversations have become in this country thanks to right-wing propaganda outlets like Fixed News and the Wingnut AM Hate Radio morons. The average Republican in this country has no idea whatsoever about what is really happening in the world because they live in a propaganda bubble that has been created for them by their Republican overlords.

Democrats are debating how to tackle health care and whether a public option works best and how best to get costs under control......and the Republican party has become fixated on the idea that Barack Obama's family faked his birth certificate 47 years ago, knowing he would run for President eventually and need a cover story?!?!

I find it amazing that the average Republican minion in 2009 can even dress themself in the morning without getting instructions from Rush and Sean Hannity first.

You're getting pretty desperate in your efforts to steer some traffic to this blog, Silva.

Okay...anyone who has ever sent a child to a school in the United States knows you have to present a birth certificate in order to get into school. If something were out of place it would have been discovered years ago. School districts are very strict about checking such documents. If I were Mark, I'd quit reporting on it because no matter what the truth is there are those who simply won't believe it.

this is an electronic birth certificate, shouldn't it look like the time it was created? Everything from the typing, font, styling, it looks modern, not early 1960s.

Posted by: John D | July 21, 2009 7:06 PM

Poor Jonny, doesnt really understand progress. Im sure if you go to the hospital you were born in and asked for a new copy of your certificate it would look just as new. Are you expecting these computers to duplicate the original fonts and style from 40 years ago?
I lost my original certificate years ago and had to obtain a new one and sorry to disappoint you but the new one looks very similar to President Obamas and there are no little feet prints on it either. MORON!

Steve above has said it all. It is astounding that after the most vetted primary and general election in the history of democrazy, some nuts can still think there are some secrets any of the candidates have that has not been unearth. This is a clever way of showing their racism and the Obama team will do well not to defend him before this mad racists. Let them stew and die in their hatred of their President for the next 4 years.

Old news. Get over it. This is how pathetic and ignorant the Republican party is. They have done absolutely nothing for the citizens of the U.S. since Obama took office. They should all be thrown out of office. And actually, John McCain was born on a military base in Panama, which of course is outside of the U.S. Let's see his birth certificate. Or let's revoke his citizenship.

Where is ole Cecil of Chicago Reader fame when we need him?

This reminds me of the "proportional spacing controversy" on those letters that surfaced about Georgie Boy's military "career".

They had to be fake, Replicans trumpeted because back in the 60's typewriters didn't have "proportional spacing" e.g. to produce an "M" of 5 spaces and an "i" of one space.

Some news producer made it up! Effort to smear the great military hero, George W.

What rot!

Turns out, IBM did manufacture a typewriter, the "IBM Executive", that did have proportional spacing, in the 60's.

Same sort of thing going on here:

Big cities produce "electronic" certificates. Anyone born in Chicago can go down and get one. It will look quite different---like a stock certificate, with tamper proof features---than the "original" signed by some functionary, if the subject were born, say, before 1950.

But if the pot stirrers really want to dig deeper, get the air line manifests from the period, for flights to and from Hawaii.

Government has the manifests, you know.

Pour over them looking for the non-existent flights to and from Kenya.

Maybe you'll find W's Air Medal in there somewhere as well.

The Birthers _want_ to believe the black MuslimTerroristSocialist with the funny name is not a U.S. citizen, and nothing's going to stand in the way of their belief. Any verification of Obama's citizenship will be brushed away with "Liberal media conspiracy/cover-up". These people are willfully ignorant and actually proud of it.

Posted by: John D | July 21, 2009 7:06 PM

I needed a copy of my Birth Certificate last year for my passport. I got a couple of copies and they look "Brand New". Because they are!!! Printed on modern equipment using modern fonts. Gee, go figure!!

and for: Posted by: ilikai | July 21, 2009 7:25 PM

Actually, it just says "Certification of Birth" (not even LIVE birth), but similar to Obama's.

It does not list the Dr or Hospital and has the signature of David Orr as county clerk. I am over 40, so it obviously has been updated.

If this is good enough for a passport, than it is a legitimate form of Proof of Birth.

Why don't you guys go ask for a "copy" of your "birth certificate"? Do you really think they would pull the original? Get out of the Stone Ages folks.

Please....these are the very same people that believe the Iraq war was a good thing. You can't fix stupid!

You're getting pretty desperate in your efforts to steer some traffic to this blog, Silva.
Posted by: How pathetic | July 22, 2009 5:58 AM
Disagree -
Mark is correct letting this issue be tossed around as it is probably a quiet issue in ever home in America.

I saw a close-up of Barack Hussein Obama's birth certificate from the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Check it out for yourself....The Certificate Number is: 151 1961 010641

Now pay attention here.

151 + 1961 + 010641 = 12753

Now add up the individual digits....
1 + 2 + 7 + 5 + 3 = 18

You know what that means?

18 = 6 + 6 + 6

Do I have to spell it out for you? 666 people!!!!! THE MARK OF THE BEAST!

Lord Jesus, COME QUICKLY!

Do I have to spell it out for you? 666 people!!!!! THE MARK OF THE BEAST!

Lord Jesus, COME QUICKLY!

Posted by: Church Lady | July 22, 2009 9:19 AM

That's nothing....add up the year of GOP losses. 06+08= LOSER!

John D.,

As the Swamps chief "loon", you should enjoy this story:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/martin.obama.birth/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

What a bunch of fools. I guess you'll also have to boot from office the right wing Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who gave him the oath of office.... twice! Put up or shut up, Inky.

Here is the link to FactCheck.Org's investigation.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

They take on some of the conspiracy theories that people have, and most of them are grasping at straws and I won’t get into them. What I do find interesting is that the document released, and posted on this blog, is a "certification of birth", which FactCheck describes as a shortened version of the original. The original (or a copy of it) have never been released, and we know Obama has fought in court to block its release.

So what we know is as follows:

- Obama has released a State Certified document that confirms his DOB, place of birth, parent's names, etc., and appears to meet all qualifications for him to be POTUS.

- This document is a “shortened” version of the original birth certificate.

- The original birth certificate contains additional information, and has never been released.

- Obama will not consent to this document being copied or inspected, and has fought to keep it private in court.

Those are the facts. What the original might contain is speculation, but a few factors make me at least a little curious about it. For instance, I can't imagine what could be on there that isn't either trivial (e.g., birth weight) or already public knowledge (DOB, etc.) So why fight its release? Make a copy of the stupid thing, release it to the press as he did with that other document, and put this issue to rest. When someone fights hard to keep something a secret, it is difficult for me to swallow that there is nothing to it.

I’ve considered a privacy argument, but I don’t think it holds water. Most of the information that would presumably be on it is not only already public (DOB, POB, etc.), but also actually requirements to serve as POTUS. As such, there is no privacy argument with that information. As for other information that could be on there (e.g., birth weight, etc.), I consider trivial and not worth a fight. I think most Americans, including myself, don’t think there is much to this story, but we get a little curious when someone tells us there’s nothing to see here, but you are absolutely forbidden from looking.

Dear "Strict Constructionists":

Where does the text of the Constitution refer to a Birth Certificate?

Dear Other Whackjobs:

What information suggests to you that Obama was not born in Hawaii?

OMG--what a waste of space, time and energy. This shows the right wing wack jobs will resort to absolutely anything to push their agenda. Maybe the Swamp should devote a section to these nutcases. Publish it where it belongs in the comics. Dilbert, Baby Blues, John D, etc...

Obama will not consent to this document being copied or inspected, and has fought to keep it private in court.
Posted by: Herbie H. | July 22, 2009 11:59 AM

Funny you quote fact check yet failed to read this:

In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Did fact check lie? or did you just make up the part of not consenting to inspection? or are you just parroting what you heard from Faux News?

Imagine if Republicans cared about, and spent as much time working toward helping, our country as much as they do this?

Some people are such morons. PEOPLE research. Obama's mother was from Kansas. EVEN if he WAS born in Kenya. Guess what, he's a citizen.

Read the freakin' rules. Gah, such IDIOTS.

Posted by: Joe | July 21, 2009 11:07 PM

Joe,

I feel your pain. The anti Obama posters on this web site for the most part are complete and udder idiots. I wish I had all day (like they do to spout their lies and drivel) to refute their idiotic talking points they receive from liar Hannity, A hole O'Reilly, dippy Glenn Beck, and Fat boy Rush, but I like you get frustrated and don't bother because I don't have the GD time to respond to BS. And if they think any sane minded person buys their BS, they are even bigger Idiots.

Hmmmm, then for all the flak that this document is not the original and the original has never been released (I have a copy of my original birth certificate) then it seems Obumbles should release the original. But as noted for whatever reason he has fought against its release. It makes one want to ask what is he hiding?

He's not hiding anything John D; he's refusing to waste his time on idiots like you. If you don't accept the birth certificate he's produced (and the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper), then provide some proof yourself, dingbat.

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.

Do you clowns understand the English language? "Original"

(I have a copy of my original birth certificate) then it seems Obumbles should release the original.
Posted by: John D | July 22, 2009 1:56 PM

True enough about the IBM Executive, ornery. But, the documents in question were military documents.

Ever been in the military? I have (1LT, CE, Viet Nam 1969-1970). Everything there is made by the lowest bidder. When I got out, the company clerks, etc. (they do the typing) had electric typewriters, but hardly IBM Executives. When I look at my old files (I still have copies of all of my orders) I see that the letters are all neatly lined up under each other.

While there is a small possibility that the Bush documents could have been typed on an IBM Executive, in my view it's just that - a very small possibility. Besides, hasn't all of this ground been pretty thoroughly plowed before?

It's one thing to appear ignorant and quite another to open your mouth and prove it like birthers do. The birthers wear their ignorance and absolute delusion and gullibility like badges of honor. Why don't they just admit that they can't accept having a black president? After all, that's what all this ridiculous hooey is about. Bitter folks with minimal live brain cells. The old saying still rings true, there's a sucker born every minute - and birthers are living proof. What an embarrassment.

John D and the rest of the birthers havetripped over the truth. Obama is the secret love child of Nikita Kruschev and and Winnie Mandela. His birth name is Hate America Kruschev. He was really born in a small village in Laos where he was raised to be a member of the Viet Cong. After the fall of Saigon, the VC traded him to the PLO for a terrorist to be named later. He was secretly inserted into the US in 1991 as a deep sleeper agent charged with destroying the US from within and bringing on a terrorist socialist marxist communist muslim treehugging world government to be controlled by the Illuminatti, the Bilderbergs, the Trilateral Commission and the aliens who broadcast messages to my dental work. That's what he's trying to hide.

Give each of these birther lunatics a straitjacket and their own personal jail cell.

Regarding FactCheck, I left a comment at the Atlantic clearly showing how they're lying:

http://peekURL.com/zvfislx

Go compare what FactCheck wrote to what the state of HI actually said. FactCheck is not a credible source.

Obama's an undocumented alien; no health care for him, I say.

Matthews did a great job of cornering this cretin. Looks like rigor mortis is setting in on the putrid body of the Grumpy Old Donner Party.

I won't be satisfied until I see actual movie footage from the birth.

Regarding FactCheck, I left a comment at the Atlantic clearly showing how they're lying:
Posted by: 24AheadDotCom | July 22, 2009 4:03 PM

So fact check is lying....and you talk about it in the Atlantic? With an owner (Bradley) who admits himself to be a "neocon guy"? As far as Hawaii and some sort of difference, here is what the state said:
HONOLULU — The state’s Department of Health director on Friday released a statement verifying the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama birth certificate.

Are you guys for real? I'll let you know if the sun is going to come up tomorrow as the obvious is hard for you to digest.

bill r.
I know, I know, these right wing nut jobs are precious. This is all they have?

24Ahead is a troll looking for hits on his site; don't go there.

All Obama has to do - to place all this possible up rise in this issue of his birth and that of bringing forth other documents that were called for but were not or have not been viewed to satisfy the requirements of our U.S Constitution...
Mr. Obama "Where's Your Documents [Birth Certificate & etc.]"??

What about the contemporaneous announcement of the birth in the Honolulu newspaper?

How did that get there, huh, birfers??

O, I see: someone knew back then that Barack was going to run for president 46 years later, and "planted" that birth announcement......

The Bush documents were typed on an IBM Executive, I have little doubt.

Remember they were signed by a commanding officer.

They weren't routine documents. They dealt with special treatment for the grandson of a US Senator, and son of the Chair of the Republican National Committee and one time Ambassador to China.

Executives in those days felt that a perk of their position was that their secretary had to have an "IBM Executive" typewriter that produced letters in Times New Roman or similar typeface.

Secretaries hated this typewriter, however, because making corrections was very difficult. If one typed an "i" where an "m" should have been, one had to tear up the letter and start all over again. Remember this was before the old standby, the 'MTST' (magnetic tape selectric typewriter) combination that had a "memory".

If one typed an "M" where an "I" should have gone, that might be corrected without having to start all over again, but it would look sloppy.

So the IBM Executive was a sort of vanity typewriter, a perk for the likes of the commander who was covering for Georgie Boy.

It wasn't the workhorse typewriter that would have typed orders for a lowly Lt. like DaveB.

Assuming DaveB's father wasn't Ambassador to China, Director of CIA, and his grandfather wasn't a US Senator.

Anyway, Bush was a chickenhawk and a chickenshit and a piss poor commander in chief no matter what typewriter was used on his papers while he was guarding the airspace over Texas.

Well, my brother flew with the 450th in bombing missions in WW II, where the casualty rate was higher than the kamikazes and was awarded the same medals as John McCain, so I have a standard against which to measure Georgie Boy.

He doesn't even measure up to his old man.

One wonders, if this citizenship thing is such a non-issue, why Obama doesn't just pony up the proof and silence his critics? Seems like it should be simple enough if there's no fire behind the smoke. Why doesn't Obama just put an end to all of the speculation? It's one of those things that makes you say "Hmmmm...."

Why doesn't Obama just put an end to all of the speculation?
Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | July 23, 2009 8:54 AM

How do you reason with the unreasonable? Proof is not what they seek..........just something, anything to grasp at. The hate will continue.

JohnD says he has a "copy" of his "original" birth cert.

WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL?

We would like to see it. Where is it?

What have you done with the original, JD?

Does it have your paw prints on it?

Does it say something derogatory about your parentage, possibly?

And JD we'd also like to see the birth announcement in your hometown newspaper.

Would that be, Nairobi?

BTW McCain was not "natural born". He was born in Panama City.

Since this is the “most transparent White House in history” why can’t we see that birth certificate without relying on picture files validated by factcheck and snopes?

"Stand Behind Your Man".
Ford Motor Company stands behind every farm implement they make. E.G. Except their Manure Spreaders.
So... continue on, "Stand Behind Your Man".

I want my country back.

bill r. wrote: "How do you reason with the unreasonable? Proof is not what they seek..........just something, anything to grasp at."


Let's assume that's true. Let's assume that the critics would just find another reason to criticize. Is that any reason not to put the proof into the public record, if in fact it is available? After all, citizenship is a constitutional qualification for office, and the candidate bears the burden to prove his qualification. The bar is pretty low to qualify for the presidency, i.e., 35 year old citizen with at least 14 years of residency in-country, so what is unreasonable about expecting proof of these rather minimal criteria?

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley "Ann" Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 - Summer 1966
Fall 1972 - Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 - Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA - Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA - Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD - Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.

HE ALREADY FURNISHED PROOF. You just don't want to accept it. Guess what: That's your problem, not his.

The problem is perception bias/filtering. People (*all* people; liberal, conservative, and moderate) tend to react favorably to information that seems to agree with their preconceptions, and discount or ignore information that disagrees. It's even more insidious than that though; directly attacking a false belief tends to *reinforce* the belief, even when countered with absolute proof. It is very, *very* hard to change peoples' preconceived ideas because of this.

In other words, people that believe sufficient proof has been offered: give up the fight, because you can't convince them with "mere" facts. The people that believe that his citizenship is in doubt: the election is over, he has been certified by all legislative and judicial bodies, and there isn't a damn thing that you can do about it now.

earlier this month my car got broken into and by bad luck and a little stupidity on my part, my actual birth certificate got stolen and now all I have is a certificate of live birth. Does that mean I'll never be able to be president?

Obama skated on this one:

He went from Illinois State Senate to US Senate to president without anyone asking for his bona fides!

While many may blame the "birthers", it is the "bliefers*" that didn't ask for the proof in the first place!

*- Blind Believers

PS. Hello to my friend Teddy K!

"Stupid is what Stupid does". The new Republican (Stupid) Party slogan.

Any objective person would see that the "birthers" are asking questions that none of the "bliefers" are answering. Instead, they resort to insults: "tinfoilhat-wearing wingnut racists!" Yeah, that's a good backup to your straw man arguments. This issue won't go away, because it's about the Constitution and whether or not we believe what it says. Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, there are lawsuits that challenge whether he can be considered a "natural born citizen".

But, go ahead and listen to the partisan name-calling and ridicule. If you were suckered into believing that Obama would bring change, you're bound to believe anything.

birthers.. what questions do you want answered specifically? because there have been lots of answers to the questions you have been asking, if you took a minute and actually listened for a moment.

major news organazations, factcheck.org, hawaii local and state governments,our federal government have all correctly refuted the claims and questions that the birthers have given, if something other than the continious rheteric isnt answered, please ask specific addiditional questions

as for the answer for "why doesnt he just produce everything we ask?" question; he doesnt have to! in fact his medical documents are protected by HIPPA regulations..he does have to show them ONLY to people who have an immediate need for them, and not to the general public..obama has been proven to show his needed documentation to the officials that need to see them.. it is these officials that have proven time and time again that everything is in order..

remember he is under the protection of our privacy laws in this country.. the same privacy laws that are afforded to every other resident of the USA.

a second answer to your question.. is he gains nothing for actually publicaly releasing said documents. the birthers will still cling to their religious belief..however by doing nothing he is successfully destabilizing the republican party and destroying their public image

I was born just a couple days after mr. obama in hawaii and my birth certificate has more info on it then his plus even my copies look older tehn this. I say try again and come up with something more legit then this crap. and oh yeah color has nothing to do with this he needs to come up with a legit BC

SECONDARY fact: The document posted on the now-disappeared "Fightthesmears" webpage merely represents a *report* indicating the existence of the actual Birth Certificate. Thus, the *report* is entitled, "Certifica-TION* of Live Birth, not *Certifi-CATE* of Live Birth.

PRIMARY FACT: The entire birth certificate "issue" is merely a smokescreen to hide the fact that, even if Obama was indeed born on U.S. soil (in which case he would be considered a *NATIVE-born* U.S. citizen), he has never been nor can he ever be a NATURAL-born U.S. citizen SIMPLY BECAUSE HIS (alleged) FATHER WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT (of Kenyan birth) AT THE TIME OF OBAMA "JR.'s" BIRTH, rendering Obama Jr. at least a British citizen, and if in fact he was born on U.S. soil, then by the 14th amendment ALSO a NATIVE-born (read "dual") U.S. citizen. Birth on U.S. soil ALONE is NOT ENOUGH for "Natural-born" status. Both your PARENTS must have been U.S. citizens at the TIME of your birth on U.S. soil.

The writers of the Constitution, most of whose parents held dual citizenship with Britain, rendering these writers NEVER to acquire 'Natural-born' status regardless of whether they, themselves, were born within the Colonies, wrote themselves INTO eligibility as presidential candidates in Article 2, Section 1, precisely because they intended that theirs be the ONLY generation of presidential candidates eligible to run as an EXCEPTION to the commonplace understanding that "Natural-born" meant and still means a birth on U.S. soil to at least a FATHER (at that time, the mother's citizenship was not consequential) who was, at the time of the baby's birth, a U.S. CITIZEN.

Article 2, Sec. 1, U.S. Constitution:

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President ..."

As distasteful as this suggestion may be perceived by Obama supporters, I think it would be very useful if the President would produce whatever the "birthers" state they will accept as CONCLUSIVE evidence.

The reason for my suggestion is that by ultimately proving the birthers irrational, the entire right wing conspiracy movement within the United States would be dealt a body blow from which it would be unlikely to recover in our lifetimes.

Furthermore, the hangers-on to this movement (such as politicians who are exploiting this controversy) would be revealed as shallow, intellectually defective, (and sometimes bigoted) critics.

I have studied extreme right conspiracy movements for more than 4 decades.

I have discovered that when I take their assertions seriously and I produce incontrovertible factual contradictory evidence from sources which even they respect, then the result is often that their claims to rationality and are thoroughly discredited.

So, again, let's ask the birthers precisely what they want to disprove their suspicions and then provide it.