Obama's birth: Most Americans get it

Today a Palin article, now a "Birther".

About time to revisit Gov. Sanford, Mark!

And a "Daily Kos" poll to boot!

Nothing like citing non-partisan sources, Mark!

The Republican party has become a world-wide joke and this birth certificate nonsense of theirs takes the mass Wingnut stupid to another level on the crazy dial.

This just shows you how diverged the political conversations have become in this country thanks to right-wing propaganda outlets like Fixed News and the Wingnut AM Hate Radio morons.

The average Republican in this country has no idea whatsoever about what is really happening in the world because they live in a propaganda bubble world created for them by their Republican overlords.

Democrats are debating how to tackle health care and whether a public option works best and how best to get costs under control..........Meanwhile, the Republican party has become fixated on the idea that Barack Obama's family faked his birth certificate 47 years ago, knowing he would run for President eventually and need a cover story?!?!

I find it amazing that the average Republican minion in 2009 can even dress themselves in the morning without first getting instructions from Druggy Rush and Seany Hannity.

Today a Palin article, now a "Birther".

About time to revisit Gov. Sanford, Mark!

Posted by: Bruce | July 31, 2009 1:12 PM

Your point? Oh thats right you dont have one.

No, Mark, give us another, " Mission Accomplished " story !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

". . . presumably because seniors can't log on to the Internet and rely on rumor, word of mouth and right-wing talk radio,''

In fact, the Internet is a prime repository of "birther" nonsense. I wish I had a nickel for every person who has ever told me that they knew an idiotic rumor was true because "it's on the Internet" (or the other good one: "my friend sent me an email . . ."). I'd have retired long ago.

Simple anwer: Produce a REAL birth certificate with the signatures of the mother, father, doctor and hospital official. Signatures, not a "certification of birth" that could be produced on any computer. Who was the doctor who delivered? Who were the nurses who were present? No one knows and Obama isn't telling. So is it any wonder that some people believe his birth may have occurred elsewhere?

Yes, indeed, Mark!

We get it . . .good and hard.;

"When do we start a serious dialog about the Birther movement being a proxy for racism that is unacceptable to articulate in more direct terms?''

OK, what was the idea that John McCain wasn't a natural-born citizen because he was born in Panama a proxy for? Anti-Irish prejudice?

Isn't "Thrush" a mouth infection?

Leave those birther folks alone.
We need them to keep themselves occupied and away from the really serious issues. Wackos.

Daryl, do your homework before you shoot off your mouth with nonsense.
Try this website for starters and if you have a brain you'll understand.

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/obamas-original-birth-certificate-does-exist/

Also, a congressional resolution introduced by Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawai’i, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Island statehood was temporarily postponed because birthers objected to a clause noting Obama was born in Hawaii.

The line “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;” appeared to be construed by birthers as a thinly veiled attempt to get Congress to affirm Obama’s U.S. citizenship,

The House voted unanimously 378-0 to approve the resolution.

By the way the house consists of 255 Democrats and 178 Republicans. Are you suggesting those Republicans are hiding the truth as well?????

Call to arms all right wing nut crackpots! No amount of documentation, number of witnesses, or anything will change their closed minds. So let it go. It doesn't matter. Grab the popcorn and watch them spint themselves into a lather. Let Fox "News" continue to fan the flames.

It does not matter to people who see and hear what they want to no matter what the truth is on a subject. G Gordon Liddy thinks the birth announcement in the Hawaiian paper about his birth was planted buy his mother so he could steal the WH from some old white guy and become president one day. You can put the proof right in front of some people but that does not mean they will open their eyes and read it. I think that says it all.

Ask John D., the voice of reason, about all the "murders" the Clinton's perpetrated. Once a nut, always a nut.

"The average Republican in this country has no idea whatsoever about what is really happening in the world" ??!! I can dress myself without instruction, and I can also think without first consulting Rush or any others. At first, given the convoluted travels of Stanley Obama, I believed there was a possibility the POTUS may not have been born in Hawaii. Once the truth was presented, I aceepted it and moved on, as did the vast majority of Repubs I know. Quit confusing our part of the party with the Rush-influenced; we do know how to think for ourselves in my part of Illinois. Now quit bashing us unless and until you democrats are willing to take responsibility for the great mess you created in Chicago, C[r]ok County, and the State governments.

I have my doubts about this poll. Somebody who's born in another country can still be a natural-born citizen if one of the parents is a U.S. citizen. So these Republican respondents aren't necessarily saying he's not a citizen, they're probably just not as up to speed on Obama's life story as liberals, so they're more likely to say 'no' or 'unsure'.

BUT, if it turns out that a large enough chunk of these people also think he's not a citizen, the GOP has an even bigger mess on their hands than anybody thought. How are they supposed to win over a fringe base and independents?

Now quit bashing us unless and until you democrats are willing to take responsibility for the great mess you created in Chicago, C[r]ok County, and the State governments.

Posted by: A Once and Future Skeptic | July 31, 2009 4:24 PM
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Teresa,
If you think the people in Illinois are just dying for Republican "leadership", then you're dumber than I thought you were. The most recent Republican governor (George Ryan) is still sitting in a Federal Prison.

This birther non-sense reflects a bigger problem that Republicans have. They are trying to do what won them the last election they won (barely) in 2004. They think that this is going back to the base and adopting more extreme positions. But all that does is alienate more and more moderately conservative voters who are needed to win elections.

Republicans convinced themselves that 2004 was about the base. They promoted that notion because they thought a fired up base would help with gutting Social Security.

And the thing is, they (Repubs) didn't exactly win by a stomping landslide in that election either (that makes two in a row). There must be a delusional bunch who think Bush got 89% of the vote that year or something.

The real reason they won in 2004? They de-emphasized social issues and focused on national security. In short, Bush moderated himself (lied). But after he won, and went all far-right on people (well became more open about it, at least), is when his popularity tank and his presidency failed.

But they've still convinced themselves moving to the right-wing fringe is the way to win. And so they'll dwindle, and therefore a higher percentage of a rapidly diminishing party will believe nonsense like the birth certificate conspiracy theory.

Please try to help get the right focus on this issue. The birth certificate is a distraction.

It does not matter if Obama was bornin America or not because Obama stated that he was subject to British rule at the time of his birth. From his campaign on FactCheck:
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

SO ASK YOURSELF THIS:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?

If this or any journalist wants to do real research start at this legal blog that actual has all relevant case information:
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/the-relevant-obama-admission-2/

The Obama docs:
http://www.fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

All these fine questions about Obama's birth makes me think.......how does Santa visit "every" house in one night?

was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children."

SO ASK YOURSELF THIS:
HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN’S STATUS BE “GOVERNED” BY GREAT BRITAIN?
Posted by: s1234567 | July 31, 2009 6:47 PM
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Ha Ha Ha! I love it when delusional Wingnuts like this prove me right - the dittoheads who make up the Republican base have a combined IQ that's lower than elephant dung.

So if I'm reading this right -- a challenge, since reading Wingnut minds is like trying decipher ancient hieroglyphs -- you think Pre Obama's definitely a citizen, but his secret, "real" birth certificate might have potentially embarrassing information on it, like that he changed his middle name to "Hussein" but it was originally something far more unappealing, like "Hitlerpenis". So he should still release this other, "secret" version, just to prove he's not hiding something?

And I presume if he doesn't, the Wingnutters will have to hire Ken Starr to launch a multiyear investigation into what this terrible secret thing is that Obama's been hiding since he was five minutes old. Because, you know, that's just the sort of thing that gets Republicans all hot and bothered.

As for the "son of a British subject" stuff, I'm not even getting into that. That sounds like the world's biggest wankers (todays Republican party) reaching way down in the idea barrel for stuff to wank about.

Barfers = Holocaust deniers.
Same psychology.

Just read through a few of the blogs re this issue. It does appear that there is a distinction between "natural-born" and "born in th U.S.A." when it comes to qualifying to be president, when one of your parents is not a citizen. It is not a fully-resolved issue, but it seems that, if one of your parents was a citizen of a foreign country at the time of your birth, there may be a question of allegiance to the USA, and thereby disqualify you from this privilege. Read some of the court opinions and statutes before making your usual snarky comments.

"Read some of the court opinions and statutes before making your usual snarky comments."Posted by: A Once and Future Skeptic

And you were born on Mars, Once and Future Idiot.

The Obama Administration would like nothing better than downplaying Obam's birth and cleansing Obama of being a racist, nothing like free speech, American don't let the Obama Administration muzzle you.

"All these fine questions about Obama's birth makes me think.......how does Santa visit "every" house in one night?"

Ummm...yeah the radio works wonder. Zombies can hear low frequencies.

The Obama Administration would like nothing better than downplaying Obam's birth and cleansing Obama of being a racist, nothing like free speech, American don't let the Obama Administration muzzle you.

Posted by: Inky | August 1, 2009 6:48 AM

Quite the contrary Inky. Keep talking. The more America believes the GOP is full of nut cases, the better for the dems.

So it is as I thought; posters such as "Dinky" would rather sling mud and disparage others, rather than try to engage in reasonable discourse. (Mayhaps the "dinky" refers to your i.q.)

Your own comments were rather "far out" there "Skeptic." If your think there is any substance to your remarks, put up some sources. The President is a natural born citizen. He's proved it.

"Title 8, § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;..." (statute eff. 1/8/2008) The fact that affects the argument regarding Barack Obama Sr. is whether he was subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Being a British citizen at the time of his son's birth is the problem around which this discussion is devolving, since Obama Sr. was not subject to U.S. jurisdiction ib Aug, '61. I do not dispute Obama Jr.'s assertion that he is a citizen, but remember the qualification for president candidacy is to be a natural-born citizen. In my research and review of past writings (John Jay, in particular) and court decisions, there is a divergence of opinion on whether a person born in the U.S. to a non-citizen is a "natural-born" citizen, with the vast majority saying not. The matter pends in court, as I read, with a decision on the lawsuit to be made on or about Aug. 3. Is this really that "far out" there?

Posted by: A Once and Future Skeptic | August 1, 2009 8:34 PM

What part of 'US citizen mother' do you not understand??

Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom.

Sure Skeptic; anyone who is studying the writings of John Jay is quite 'out there.' Good history, but current constitutional law?? Since the Chief Justice administered the oath, I think we should be satisfied.

I never thought birth of Obama will become such a big discussion topic. I am following this closely to see where this conspiracy ends. Meanwhile I have collected some good articles and sites related to Barack Obama (more than 200 sites or articles). If you are interested take a look at the below link http://bit.ly/TbblS

All I got from this article is that Republicans are not Americans? Most Americans get it - but Republicans don't?
So, Republicans are not Americans?
Is that how Obombinatics get their point across? Very SIMPLE have this upsurger produce any and all documentation requested to proof he is who he says he is -- this information will be necessary for the history books - besides he 'promised' transparency in government - why not start with himself??