Obama's healthcare handling slides: Poll

-Democrats pushing for health care reform got serious jolts last week from critics who warned that their proposed legislation would 'do little to slow spiraling health care costs'. A group of conservative Democrats vowed that they would join Republicans-

Blue Dogs Rake in the Dollars from the Health Care Industry ... The 20 Blue Dogs have taken a combined $6,849,273 from various segments of the health care industry, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics

It is a shame you couldn't post the cost, in terms of the use of our premiums and out-of-pocket costs, that went into the brainwashing of America, which the Health-scare Corporations are engaged !! An outlay, that I am sure they are writing off, as a business expense. Only in America !! When they are finished, what they spent on the defeat of the Clinton attempt, will look like small potatoes and that figure was quoted as being 200-300 Million dollars !! !!
Between all of the lies and distortions, the opponents of health-scare reform, it is a wonder the idea is still kicking. So, there is still hope for real reform, in spite of the Corporate Monolithic Response. How can American citizens face each other, when one group would deny the other group healthcare, real, honest healthcare ? It is a death sentence to many Americans. Are we one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all ? We sure aren't acting like it !!
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Don Fitzgerald - former hippie and still living his idealistic past. Obama would be proud.

As for healthcare, people realize the system we have - while far from perfect - is better than the alternative. The alternative being a government-run healthcare system which might help a few but causes the vast majority to suffer. Unless Obama is willing to put in strict limits on medical malpractice awards, which are the root cause of waste in our healthcare system, then any proposal he puts forth is intellectually dishonest.

Glad to see people are waking up.. so far the Democrats are pushing things trough the senate without even reading them.. Just to pass something so they can go home on vacation.. reason is when they go home they will hear from their constituents ...As it is Durban refuses to meet with anyone.. I tried to get a meeting with him when he was in town and was told he doesn't meet with constituents although they don't tell you IF you give money to his war chest he will meet with you.. It's time Washington was MADE to listen to the people.. I don't have much money left over after paying my bills and lately I have been stocking up on food so if the Dems push all this through at least I can feed my family till we can get them out of office and elect someone who knows how to really create jobs not simply raise taxes..

At best, the "Obama" health care will look like the Canadian plan.

In Canada, pain killers are freely dispensed while patients are told to wait for greatly needed surgeries for months and years.

Mamograms are only allowed every six months EVEN IF SPOTS that could be cancerous are detected.

In addition to lowering the QUALITY of care, the Congressional Budget Office clearly stated there will be GREATER COSTS, which makes the President a liar (just as he threatened that if the Stimulus Plan was not passed IMMEDIATELY, unemployment would go above 8%...)

Obama's Healthcare along with Cap and Trade are simply another ploy by Obama to control the rest of us. He takes over the banks-against the Constitution, he he takes over GM-against the Constitution, he forces Chrysler into bankruptcy-against the Constitution, he forces through his massive programs without giving anyone time to read them and discuss "on C-span"as he promised during his campaign proclaiming "transparency", he tries to force "card check" through which will give Unions ultimate power over employers while forcing the companies out of business-against the Constitution,
If you study the depression under FDR he did the same things and prolonged the depression by 10 years-here is what FDR's Sec. Of Treasury had to say Henry Morgenthau, Jr., and one of the most powerful men in America, had a startling confession to make before influential Democrats who ran the House Ways and Means Committee, in 1939.
"We have tried spending money . WE are spending more than we have ever spent before and IT DOES NOT WORK.
...I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job.I want to see people get enough to eat. WE HAVE NEVER MADE GOOD ON OUR PROMISES...I say after 8 years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot." In these words Morgenthau summarized a decade of disaster, especially in the years Roosevelt was in power.
Average unemployment in 1939 was higher than that in 1931, the year before Roosevelt captured the presidency. No depression or recession had lasted even half this long.Those of you who voted for Obama are driving this country to becoming Venezuela, where 90% of the people live in poverty.

Keep waking up America. Good to see people are beginning to realize Obama is not who he said he was.

In Crook County Illinois the formula is simple. Spend & Tax then Spend & Tax until everybody is broke & cannot spend any more or borrow from pension funds.

Bottom Line: The Chosen One can't do it with out Taxing us into oblivion ! ! ! ! !

Obama's polling numbers are a bit worse that the headline 59%.

13% of Gallops sample is African-American's who still give Obama a 96% approval with Latino's (weighted at I believe at 19% of the sample) giving him an approval in the low 70's.

Approval with both white voters and Independent voters is hovering at 50%.

Robert S--I think you got it backwards. We already have a system that helps a few (primarily insurance industry executives) while causing the majority to suffer. Obama's plan is losing popular support because people are finding out its primary objective is to preserve insurance company profits, not improve the quality of care for the American people.

As for healthcare, people realize the system we have - while far from perfect - is better than the alternative.
Posted by: Robert S. | July 20, 2009 8:50 AM

Yes and "stay the course" was a great idea. Once the cost becomes too much for "your" employer, and it stops offering this benny.....I guess we'll hear from you again!

I am always amused when these no-brainers start with the name-calling or personal attacks. They have no real alternative solution and they know what I post, is a reasonable observation, though slightly left of center. So, their only retort is to make nonsensical charges, which really calls attention to their bankruptcy of ideas. They don't care, they just throw some meaningless words around and hope they can raise the blood pressure of anyone not thinking and they have " won " the debate. Fortunately, that was the Republican's attack strategy during the last presidential election and you see where that got them !! So, all of you, Republicans, continue to make noise, without making sense and All Americans will have honest-to-goodness healthcare, in the very near future.
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Oh you mean Barry's attempt to tax the working people to give UNLIMITED medical coverage to the illegals and the welgare crowd.

You know the welfare bunch who have 3 X more children than working people. The same welfare crowd who would drain what little is left of the productive people who actually work for a living.

The Obama Buffoon: Empty. Dishonest. Narcissistic. Dangerous.

Tell me one thing that Obama did while in the U.S. senate. ------- NOTHING. He is just a slippery politician trying to socialize this country. He wouldn't know the U.S. constitution if it bit him in his A--. Look at all the slime balls he has gathered around him. Just another Chicago crooked politician. I hope this country wakes up before it's too late.

Calm down, Don F. Your hyperventilated response and hypocritical attacks on me just confirm what I said.

I love the obsession that people have with insurance company profits. By their line of reasoning, these companies are not entitled to profits and the shareholders and debtholders who supply the capital that is then extended in insurance premiums should just lose their money for the 'greater good'.

If insurance companies are the problem, then the solution to that would be the abolition of all private insurance and introduction of full government-provided universal care. Let's think about this. Can you name one government agency that you would call efficient, effective, with costs in line with the service provided? I'm talking about the post office, DMV, Dept of Defense, highways, IRS - any large agency at the state or federal level. Not only are these agencies poster children for wasted money and inefficiency, their ways are cemented by public unions whose very nature is one of waste and inefficiency, made worse by the fact that all of these agencies are ripe for political patronage and lobbying.

So we want to create a government-led agency in the largest part of our economy and hope that this will somehow provide quality care AND reasonable costs at the same time? Please.

This is why I say with zero doubt that our current system - while far from perfect - is much better than any government-led system Obama is proposing.

The real crime in with our healthcare is how people who take care of themselves and are healthy have to subsidize those folks that abuse their bodies and then have to have expensive treatments for all the diseases that result from that irresponsibility. Health insurance should be priced just like auto insurance.

I see that even some of the sheeple have pulled their heads out of their rear ends and see that Barry is a joke. It has been all fun and games until now. So can they bring on our real President?

The bill that the Dems shoved through the house makes private insurance illegal. From INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY:

It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.

When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.

It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So we can all keep our coverage, just as promised — with, of course, exceptions: Those who currently have private individual coverage won't be able to change it. Nor will those who leave a company to work for themselves be free to buy individual plans from private carriers.

Read the whole article here:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=332548165656854

There is a reason that we have a State Government. These things that Obama and many other on his side are trying to push threw the Federal Government has no roll in the Federal Government. These are things that the States should be handling.

And if the Federal Government wants to open a new public health policy, why do they not fix the money issues that they have in their existing ones first?

For example, the 1,500 Federal Mandates on what Insurance Companies "have to cover" - even if I don't want them. It is like paying $50 a month for TV when you get 300 channels, but you only watch 7. If you want real reform, take all these "federal mandates" off of the insurance companies, and let them give us more options.

Simple fact is: This is not the roll of the Federal Government. This is the roll of the States. Read Amendment X of the US Constitution.

Yet most liberals think that they should be able to get around this rule. There is a reason this rule exists.

He wants us to be "more like California". Now, how in debt is California?

You want to discuss this more? Visit my website at: http://www.imagementor.net/Politics/

Thanks.

The repub propaganda machine is working, at least if you believe these "polls". Ask anybody without health insurance or who's paying through the nose to keep it and I'm sure they fall into the "47%" who favor some sort of health care reform, whether it be the President's version or not. The fact is, as supposedly advanced as the American healthcare system is we're the sickest most out of shape population in the developed world. Any healthcare reform is needed, now.

One post commented that Obama is turning out to be something different than that which was portrayed during the campaign. I think Obama is who he is and has been - as his history shows his true colors. He voted (when he was present and did actually vote) for every radical bill that came up. Those who got sucked in by his rhetoric of "yes we can" and "change you can believe in" weren't paying attention. Here's my "yes we can - kick them to the curb" next election. Term limits - and we the people should impose them by having a total housecleaning at all levels of government next election. Obama is all about control, control and it would be just horrendous to think about some government nitwits in charge of our health care. Here's the key question to Obama and all senators: Do you plan on putting you and your family into a government plan?" Answer: No - I can guarantee it. It's good enough for the serfs, but not the government elite.

Bill
You are such a fool. Not a single person is saying "Stay the course" that is your dishoesty at work. We are saying the current proposed plan is wrong and will not make things better.

DO we need reform? YES. One of the fastest and easiest one to do now and it won't take 5 years to put into place is tort reform. That would lower some cost immediately. Then they need to allow for better choice options across state lines and some way to have portability.

We all want soethign done to improve an already bets in the world system, we just don't want another unread 10,000 page bill passed into law that will take years to implement and then fail for us all.

The anyone staying the course is people like you.

You said

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Yes and "stay the course" was a great idea. Once the cost becomes too much for "your" employer, and it stops offering this benny.....I guess we'll hear from you again!

Posted by: bill r. | July 20, 2009 9:42 AM

I am reminded of Churchill’s comment about Democracy being the worst political system… except for all the rest. Obama"care" is the best healthcare system in the world… except for all the rest.

The last post by Dave is truly scary and where Obama and the radical Democrats want to lead us... A state run entity that will tell you how long you need to wait to get in to see a doctor, what services they will approve and what medicines they will dispense. If you suspect that you have cancer and have to wait 6-8 weeks to get in to have a biopsy, you might as well contact the Funeral Home first. We don't have the perfect system, but it beats the Obama version every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah, I'll take the status quo in this instance.

Don Fitzgerald,

1) "I am always amused when these no-brainers start with the name-calling or personal attacks."

Uh, 'brainer' Don what is calling people a no-brainer who name-calling and use personal attack doing?

You are a fool and a hypocrite. You can't call people brainless namecallers by calling them brainless namecallers. It is called Circular Idiocy.

Obama isn't "handling" health care.

He's doing what a liberal/socialist does: Throw other peoples money at it and turn it into a bloated, difficult government mess.

Gee, the people that voted for the first "African American" President first taste of reality. This President will not perform miracles; he will not be "one of their own" to the millions of voters who voted for him simply because he is black. This president is no more or less influencial than any other. Our government is based on many levels, and the president is actually on the less powerful. This is hte first time a president was elected soley because of race. We will now see the fruits of that decision.

The real crime in with our healthcare is how people who take care of themselves and are healthy have to subsidize those folks that abuse their bodies and then have to have expensive treatments for all the diseases that result from that irresponsibility.

By your definition, what exactly would those "diseases" be?

Seriously, I can't wait to hear...

Moving closer & closer to a brave new world of perfection. I hope that you have the right genetics to be a part of your own healthcare plan, Robert S.

The numbers are slipping because as people find out what it's in the Dems' bill (Obumbles actually doesn't have a health care) they want nothing to do with it. The government will choose your doctor for you. 12 million illegal aliens will be covered. If you can't prove you have health insurance coverage to the IRS, you will receive a heavy penalty and then the government will put you in a plan of the government's choosing. And despite Obumbles and Peloony's statements, yes, it is government-run health care.

I fully support Obama on most issues and I do believe that something must be done about our system of healthcare delivery and cost. But President Obama has not fully convinced me on his healthcare proposal. That doesn't mean that I can't be convinced or that this isn't the best "present" plan for the current session in Congress. What it does men is that he still needs to provide a better explanation of his plan and it's overall benefits (primarily economic). If one of his greatest supporters (myself) is willing to openly question his plan, then he has some work to do. Come on Mr. President sell me this used car; it may have another 100,000 miles on it. Just convince me.

This is what happens when a Chicago Democrat gets elected to the White House. I guess NOW the voting public understand why the presidents ties to ACORN and other radical left wing groups was such a big deal. Why his voting record spoke volumes of the kind of president he would be and lastly why moderate Democrats are backing away from the radical socialist/communist agenda that has been building momentum since the election. Wake up folks. Contact you elected officials and let them know you are not happy with the direction the Obama team is trying to take this country.

The first fallacy of this is that it is a healthCARE proposal; it is not, and the people claiming it is [Don Fitzgerald, for starters] are either lying or they are ignorant.

It is a health COVERAGE proposal. It would still be the responsibility of the citizen to actually seek the care that would be covered.

It should be understood that the current excesses and outrages which make our medical system so costly and considered "failing" of those on the underside of the economy is the current "managed care" insurance monstrosity -- which the government would duplicate and render even more officious and bureaucratic [and ergo more costly and inefficient] than the private health COVERAGE system is now.

It would be a cancerous MedicAid system, with the efficiency and effectiveness of the VA hospital network.

Want to know why Obama's poll ratings keep slipping? Want to know why Barry O'Cool is starting to get testy? It's because he's discovering that running a country is actually much harder than running a campaign. Yet wasn't that his "experience" that was supposed to negate the "no-experience" charge? Yes, folks, there are some things that cannot be solved by soaring rhetoric and personal charm, by skin color or the ability to send tingles up the leg. And yes, there are a great many people who will not just lay down and let you have your way because "you won." This is called a constitutional republic. It's how our government works. Oh, and George W. Bush is now fading into a memory. It's not enough for people to see that Obama is not Bush. Now they want Obama to demonstrate that he actually has real solutions that make their lives better, not just shift the power from the private to the public sector. Just because you won one election does not mean that we will go away. Grow up and deal with it.

How can anybody expect vibrant economic activity / JOB CREATION ( faulted by the non-alternative naysayers to distract a series of scandals ) and housing boom in the context one in two Americans say someone in their family skipped pills, postponed or cut back on needed medical care due to the cost ?

In regard to the stimulus investment, my understanding is as follows:

1. The current surging fuel cost (World oil prices doubled during the last 6 months) is overwhelming the market rally.
And the pending clean energy bill might serve as a second stimulus package world-wide boosting private investments.

2. People are so worried about losing their job, coverage, denial of treatment, which seems to increase bank deposit latetly. That means stimulus funding mainly goes toward bank deposit for a rainy day increasing jobless rate. It proves again that a healthy society yields better productivity, prosperity.
It is time to 'Change' the notion of the public health as a fundamental human right and install 'a safety system for all' like all of the other industrialized nations, I think.

3. The stimulus funding begins to mobilize just 11%, meanwhile, the auto industry has undergone its restructuring with the massive job-related impact.

4. The pandemic swine flu has been hurting the global economy seriously.

And there have been many different polls that show the public is overwhelmingly in favor of Obama's version of reform, which includes a public option (for example, a CBS News/New York Times poll had 72% in favor and even a poll done by healthcare reform opponents showed 83% in favor of the public option).

Additionally, the post buries the news in the paragraph:

On health care, the poll, conducted by telephone Wednesday through Saturday, found that a majority of Americans (54 percent) approve of the outlines of the legislation now heading toward floor action. The measure would institute new individual and employer insurance mandates and create a government-run plan to compete with private insurers. Its costs would be paid in part through new taxes on high-income earners. There are sharp differences in support for this basic package based on income, as well as a deep divide along party lines. Three-quarters of Democrats back the plan, as do nearly six in 10 independents.

Thank You !

European and Canadian healthcare = half the cost per person (including taxes) and longer life expectancy. US healthcare = too many corporations taking their 'fair share', too many bottom feeders (not the illegal immigrants - at least they work) not paying for anything, and cost increases everyone. Lets eliminate tax free healthcare for those making over a certain amount (I don't need that extra summer house anyhow), cut out the insurance companies (or at least offer an alternative - they shuffle paper and we pay a fee) and make the bottom feeders clean up trash.

Everyone should ask there congressman and senator if this healthcare plan is so great how come they will be exempt from it. No one in congress or the White House will be covered by this plan that the rest of us will have to swallow.

Health insurance needs reform, not health care.

Off Topic Response: Why is Obama’s socialist and liberal government trying to control the US population with all means necessary - especially through government health care? It’s because in order for socialism to work, the American population needs to be small for the government to be able to allocate funds accordingly. If there are too many poor black and Hispanic and elderly people to support, then socialism wouldn’t work. Population control is the heart of Socialism. What better target is there than to kill the VOICELESS weak and the unborn. Whoa to you people who trade your freedoms for false security.

Why are Liberals and Socialists pushing healthcare for everyone? It’s because they have an agenda of killing off the weak and voiceless among us. If the government controls healthcare, then the government can dictate who lives and who dies, who’s useful and who’s not, who’s perfect and who’s imperfect, who’s too old to live or too young to be born.

Sound familiar? It should – it’s what happened in Nazi Germany. People considered “sub-human” were deserving of death or concentration encampment in order for the “Perfect Nazi” population to populate Germany and its conquered territories.

When the members of the congress are able to accept for themselves the health care plan that Will be implimented. Then I'm interested, till then I'll just have to go bankrupt every time I go into a hospital for what could have been preventative care at 5% the cost. The last time was $150,000.00. as taxpayers we will all pay for this one way or the other. Ps. Yes I work a full time profession.

This is where the dart landed yesterday. That is why all the Right-wingnuts have gathered here: to lie, to distort, and to confuse. They, the Profiteers, must have ordered of few more pods, from the bodysnatchers, to post more of their swill; like robots, they spew the Republican hogwash and expect America to accept it. Well, we didn't in the last presidential election and we will not accept it, now. Healthcare, health coverage, it all comes from the same garbage can, the Profiteer's and for them to present it any other way is ridiculous and useless. America knows the Healthcare system in America needs to be replaced with a system that treats all Americans equally. It is as simple as that, unless of course, you are of the Profiteer's Party, in which case, it is pointless to debate anything with you. You are on the Health Insurers' gravy-train and you don't have the heart to get off and fight for your fellow Americans, who need help, in their fight against these Healthcare profiteers.
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AMERICA’S NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY!

It’s official. America and the World are now in a GLOBAL PANDEMIC. A World EPIDEMIC with potential catastrophic consequences for ALL of the American people. The first PANDEMIC in 41 years. And WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES will have to face this PANDEMIC with the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed World.

STAND READY AMERICA TO SEIZE CONTROL OF YOUR NATIONAL HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

We spend over twice as much of our GDP on healthcare as any other country in the World. And Individual American spend about ten times as much out of pocket on healthcare as any other people in the World. All because of GREED! And the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare system in America.

And while all this is going on, some members of congress seem mostly concern about how to protect the corporate PROFITS! of our GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT NATIONAL DISGRACE. A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT DISGRACE that is in fact, totally valueless to the public health. And a detriment to national security, public safety, and the public health.

Progressive democrats the Tri-Caucus and others should stand firm in their demand for a robust government-run public option for all Americans, with all of the minimum requirements progressive democrats demanded. If congress can not pass a robust public option with at least 51 votes and all robust minimum requirements, congress should immediately move to scrap healthcare reform and request that President Obama declare a state of NATIONAL HEALTHCARE EMERGENCY! Seizing and replacing all PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance plans with the immediate implementation of National Healthcare for all Americans under the provisions of HR676 (A Single-payer National Healthcare Plan For All).

Coverage can begin immediately through our current medicare system. With immediate expansion through recruitment of displaced workers from the canceled private sector insurance industry. Funding can also begin immediately by substitution of payroll deductions for private insurance plans with payroll deductions for the national healthcare plan. This is what the vast majority of the American people want. And this is what all objective experts unanimously agree would be the best, and most cost effective for the American people and our economy.

In Mexico on average people who received medical care for A-H1N1 (Swine Flu) with in 3 days survived. People who did not receive medical care until 7 days or more died. This has been the same results in the US. But 50 million Americans don’t even have any healthcare coverage. And at least 200 million of you with insurance could not get in to see your private insurance plans doctors in 2 or 3 days, even if your life depended on it. WHICH IT DOES!

If President Obama has to declare a NATIONAL STATE OF EMERGENCY to rescue the American people from our healthcare crisis, he will need all the sustained support you can give him. STICK WITH HIM! He’s doing a brilliant job.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE!

THE BATTLE OF GOOD Vs EVIL!

Join the fight.

Contact congress and your representatives NOW! AND SPREAD THE WORD!

God Bless You

Jacksmith – WORKING CLASS

And the poll numbers continue to slide

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121814/More-Disapprove-Than-Approve-Obama-Healthcare.aspx

I support OBama's Health Reform-- it is a first step we must take followed by re-adjustments. We are the closest ever to actualy finding solutions. Paying for it will come from those of us with jobs. Social Security & medicare are collapsing so it is time. Those programs lasted without fore thought of how to pay for them. A goverment insurer can be just one of the choices for those of us who need it. Public run programs have safegaurds to protect members and are not socialistic.

Loraine,

You thought process is amazing - you are quoting the collapse of SocSec and Medicare and now think its time to double-down with gov't run healthcare.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

All those who criticize the health care systems of countries like France, Canada, and England need to get your heads out of the sand and check out health care polls in these countries.
US citizens are the MOST DISSATISFIED when it comes to comparing our system with theirs.
Google "heath care poll, Harris".

The last time health reform was attempted under Clinton it was torpedoed by the AMA, and the insurance industry.

This time, they are on board for change.

They see the need for reform but conservatives still cling to the idea that anything other than the "free market" (credit default swaps and ponzi schemes) are the only things that works

We just have to keep voting them out, Im quite sure next election many seats will be lost over even trying to pass this type of Healthcare reform. They are trying to pull a fast one on us. What happened to creating jobs, How about our soldiers abroad I never even hear much about them anymore hope they are not forgotton, I never see the movie stars out anymore supporting them, What happened.

As a middle income mother of 2 who has good health insurance I am truely afraid to see Obama's plan to go through. One of my kids had a very serious illness a few years back and I am glad that his (Obama) health care plan was not in place at that time because my son would possibly not have survived the cancer that he had if it had not been diagnosised early. I have done research lately and have found based on Canada and England that it would have taken months to have the test done vs less than 2 weeks. Ask anyone who has every had a really serious illness such as cancer etc if they really want to wait months for the test before they can get treatment. Are we really ready to risk the lives of ourselves and our loved ones? If you compare the percentages of deaths in the US vs England and Canada you will find that they have higher numbers of deaths because of the waiting time for test and treatment not to mention restrictions that are placed on some treatment drugs etc because of cost. Are we really ready to hand over all our health care rights to the government?