Torture probe 'offends hell out of' Cheney

Dick is all concerned about CIA morale, but I recall Dick and his little Scooter outing a covert CIA officer and her front company.

A crime is a crime is a crime. No amount of magic pixie dust (or OLC memos) can make torture legal.

Cheney is offended by the investigation?

I'm offended by torture conducted in my name as a citizen.

And so the wheel turns...

"I guess the other thing that offends the hell out of me, frankly, is we had a track record now of eight years of defending the nation against any further mass casualty attacks from al Qaeda,'' Cheney said.

Too bad you completely missed the most costly attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor because your administration ignored CIA reports.

Sorry but you get no credit for letting thousands of Americans die.

THE biggest hypocrite in the world, Dick Cheney everyone, give him a hand.

What a waste of a human.

And now the wacki lefties will go out of thier minds and spend the rest of day ranting about Cheney !!!!

Nevermind what he said...whether its right or wrong ....... it'll be the usual !!

Gentlemen Knot your Panties !!Ready ....Set...WHINE/MOAN/RANT

Of course Cheney is outspoken and forthright in defending himself. He hides behind a vale of "national security". Perhaps he should retreat to his bunker to avoid prosecution.

Cheney comes off as nothing but evil in this interview. His "at any cost" stance is the antithesis of what this country stands for. I look forward to the day I can spit on his grave.

Good for Cheney.

I wonder what side the liberals are on. Whatever side it is, it's not our side.

Cheney doesn't get it. Torture is illegal. Even his "Boss: GW Bush stood in front of America and the World and said, "America doesn't torture".

Cheney wants to argue that it's OK to torture as long as it works. Most experts say it doesn't work but that's irrelevant. It's torture, he admits doing it.

Prosecute this stain on Americas honor.

I would pay alot to see cheney and his loved ones TORTURED just short of death. We can then ask the cheney gang if they still feel TORTURE is justified.

These tactics broke all international laws and demeaned the true American philosophy. The world looked at us as lying hypocritical war mongers. Getting to the bottom of this will only prove to the world that we as a nation do not tollerate lying corupting administrations with no regard for international law. It can only help our standing in the world community. Cheney is a Dick and should shut his trap!
And yes Terry, John and Bruce, having a good standing with the world does matter!

My heart bleeds for him.....

Also in the spirit of Bruce and John D....how about a story on Palin bailing on the Alaska Family Council.

Dick Cheney offends the heck out of me.

Cheney needs to realize a couple of things:

1. just because the President (or VP or someone in his administration) says something is legal doesn't make it so. We have laws that no one is supposed to be above. Nixon also said, "It's not illegal when the President does it." Does Cheney want to be associated with Nixon policies and rationale?

2. The Justice Department is supposed to be independent of the Executive branch of government, so that it can prosecute crimes regardless of politics. I know that under the Bush administration this was not the case, and the Justice Dept. was very politicized. But that's not how it's supposed to work in a free country. If the US Attorney General feels a need to investigate and possibly prosecute, the President should not be able to tell him to back off for political reasons.

Sorry, Mr. Cheney, we're trying to get back on track with democracy and the rule of law in this country.

"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges........"

Cheney is one of the most Un-American politicians I have ever seen. He really comes off as trying to protect his own butt and change history so that he doesn't look like the Nazi that he is. What an evil man. Telling the truth and respecting the rule of law could not be more American and to try to scuttle these investigations is so transparently political.

Well, Dick Cheney offends the hell out of me by his very presence, so we're even.

1) Torture does not work. It does not produce valid intel.
2) Now when American troops are captured anywhere in the world, we have no leg to stand on when demanding that they be treated humanely.
3) Torturing works against us. It is the greatest recruiting tool the enemy has.

Obama doesn't know anything about keeping this country safe. When the next attack comes, he will be sitting in the White House blaming the Bush administration. Let's hope the liberal idiots wake up and smell the coffee. I feel less safe now with him as President.

Cheney offends hell out of me. Cheney outed a CIA agent and now, seemingly, the CIA is outting Cheney. Seems what goes around comes around. Payback is a B@%#%.

All you BO lovers have blinders on. Terrorist loving idiots!

Nevermind how Bush-Cheney kept the nation "safe." Where's Osama bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri?

While Bush-Cheney kept the nation "safe," these ragtag terrorists have attacked several countries since 9/11, including England and Spain.

So long as bin Laden and Zawahiri are free, no one is safe.

The real question then isn't "how did Bush-Cheney do it?" The real question is how did they allow these two to continue to run free for 7 plus years?

Cheney is on a "Blagojevich offensive".

Trying to keep out in front of the posse.

Torture Judge Bybee and his law clerk Prof. Who gave him the "legal opinion" that they could do anything they liked.

Inconvenient that some of the "presumed guilty" died because the torture doctors in attendance could not revive them after "simulated drowning".

Inconvenient that some of the "presumed guilty" didn't wake up because of a subdural hematoma when their heads were slammed against the wall.

What's lacking in Dick's "get out in front of the prosecution" effort is:

Any example of any "actionable" "meaningful" intelligence that was extracted from any of the "presumed guilty" who were tortured.

Because there isn't any such example.

Torture under the Bush Admin. was just another part of the "cowboy swagger" act they put onstage while Halliburton, Blackwater, the oil companies, etc., were looting the Treasury behind the scenes.

Cheney and others make a great point, one the media is doing its best to obscure--the interrogations got a lot of good intel, and thus saved American lives. Even the Left-wing Washington Post grudgingly acknowledges this, as Ann Althouse points out: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/08/wapo-vindicates-cheney.html

However, Obama's Attorney General goes after the people trying to protect Americans from terrorists, rather than the terrorists.

Truly, the inmates are running the asylum.

I am sorry but how can anyone be proud of torturing other human beings no matter what their supposed (and unproven) crimes may have been? Cheney himself is admitting that he is not quite up to being a human being. We could refer ro him as a sub-human. Both he and Bush are in that category as far as I can see. The fact that they were elected is a testimony to the overall undeveloped sense of human decency in a great number of people in the US. Fear, anger and greed are the guiding instincts in these so-called people. Hopefully, their breed is dying out and a further development in the evolution of humankind will come to pass. But the process is painfully slow.

Joseph McCarthy also thought he was doing a good job fighting communism. The American public had a different opinion however.

ok dick now let me help clairify some of your comments i'm one of hopefully many who took the time to become involved with physians for human rights.org it is the people like me who have the guts to sign a pettion to attorney general holder to have a further investigation on this matter,in my view you and the bush administration are guilty of a war crime,and trying to cover it up is also a war crime,see Mr. OBAMA is looking forward ,he is trying to get this country out of the hole the bush adminastration and you have gotten us into,now if you want to play the blame game fine blame me if it makes you feel better because i'm the one wanting some accountabilty for the bush administrations actions and i dont think i'm the only one. i feel alot safer just noing the bush administration is no longer in the WHITEHOUSE and since we have a new administration you are unable to stop these investigations like was done in the past and what you have done offends the hell out of me

Cheney is a traitor to the Counjtry and so are all right nut jobs who stand up for him. Either you are for USA or not.
ALZ, Al in Chicago, you guys are nothing but commies. You hate your country and rules of law (hippies), you never served in the military. Couch warriors stay home and remain traitors, this country will move towards progress without you.

Hmmm - a new uproar at a time when BO's popularity and health care are headed for the tank. I can't imagine why this is coming up right now.

Many of the people who whine about this are the ones who are safe because brave men and women do uncomfortable things to protect them.

Quite frankly, I don't care WHAT was done to these scum if it saved lives of innocent people and American soldiers.

Get real. The Information Bush was given was prepared by the democratic majority. All Cheney/Bush did was defend our nation, and they did a good job. SO FRIKKIN What if we tortured the bad guys. Do you remeber those that perished in New York? Do you think their families mind a little torture? I doubt it. I miss the days when we didnt know about what it took to keep our country safe. What ever the costs, they are worth it. Personally, I dont think we were harsh enough. I am so sick of the bleeding liberals. You make me want to throw up. I want what is right for our NATION, as a whole, and yes at whatever price we have to pay. And if other nations fear us, great. That was what Regan did, and color me stupid, but I remeber it worked very very well.

What "offends the hell" out of me is that Cheney was ever our Vice President in the first place and that, thru his policies, he has dragged this country's reputation thru the mud and slime that we used to attribute only to evil empires!

I want to to thank you VP Dick Cheney for all you have done for the U.S. The problem now is Obama is in charge, and there will be an awfull price to pay as a result.

Danny,

I guess your memory isn't that good. It wasn't Vice-President Cheney nor Scooter Libby that outed Ms. Plame, it was Richard Armitage

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/07/eveningnews/main1981433.shtml

Waterboarding is torture? Does it cause any permament physical or mental damage? - No. Does it scare the hell out of you? Yes

If waterboarding is torture, please explain how Khalid Sheikh Mohammed survived waterboarding 183 times?

Patti from the land of Fruits and Nuts,

We can see all the great cooperation BO has rec'd from the world so far when asking for more assitance in the War on Terror, oops, I mean the Overseas Contingency Operation. The U.S. is still doing all the heavy lifting. However, it is good to know the Hugo Chavez likes the country now.

Cheney is a coward. He only tortured to try to substantiate his lies for invading Iraq not to protect this country. He Dick, answer this - why did cut and run on Afghanistan?

How good was that decision?

If the Democrats had any ideas at all about how to keep this country safe, they wouldn't need to resort to folderol such as this to keep their names in the public view.

What patriots!

funny thing is, the only time a terrorist attack has happened on our soil was during cheney's watch

For all of you trying to say that those on the left are "after" Cheney/Bush, etc. This isn't about right and left. It's about the law. The phrase "we are a nation of laws" is what it's all about. If we allow ANYONE to go unpunished for breaking the law, then how do we argue that any law is important.

I just don't get how we've gotten to this point. I don't care who you voted for, right is right, wrong is wrong.

I am tired of all of this posturing. When can I have MY country back. The one where people actually cared about right and wrong.

Who cares what the world thinks of us. Maybe it's time we worry about our own people and not what others think about us. Do what we need to do to protect our lifestyle without worry of what some towel head in the Middle East thinks

Mr Cheney: your accommodations
at The Hague await you.

war criminal, war profiteer.. some "patriot" indeed.

You can't defend America by destroying what it stands for. Allowing torture and declaring war without provocation did more damage to our great nation than Al Kaeda ever did.

Al Kaeda destroyed buildings and individuals. Cheney's damage was a larger, deeper and more lasting cut.

FYI, I'm not a liberal. I'm an American. I vote Independent (including for McCain and other Republicans).

Cheney should go to jail for his part in this.

Thank you Mr. Cheney!

The only thing I missed hearing from you this morning was, "Why hasn't that gutless California Left Winger, Leon Panetta, told the White House Coward-in-Chief - Obama, I AM RESIGNING UNLESS YOU FIRE HOLDER!"

kc

All you BO lovers have blinders on. Terrorist loving idiots!

Posted by: pam | August 30, 2009 11:39 AM

Of course pam....we also believe we are a country of laws....we just don't say it and not mean it.

"What were the keys to keeping this country safe over that period of time?"

You mean we can take the duct tape off our windows now?

If one buys the argument that CIA personnel shouldn't be prosecuted because they must be free to implement the policies, however awkward (illegal) of the Justice Department, then the only thing to do is to prosecute those who make the decisions. Dick, George, Donald, you have the right to remain silent.

BlahBlahBlah...Never has a man with so little conscience done so much to convince so many that he has even less intelligence than basic integrity. Why doesn't he just have a bobble-head doll stand in for him in these interviews? Or does he?

Is there any reason we care what Cheney has to say. Why can't he go away and just keep going.

He is like a guy caught in a lie and keeps trying defend himself.

I think he knows there are docs somewhere in the public record and phone logs that tie him to these torture techniques. So he knows he is guilty of a crime.

We are the only country in the world that is based on an idea of freedom based in the rule of law. No other country has this despite how nice Italy and France are they are based on nationalism of a cultural identity. Even our good friends the Brits have a different legal system where you have to prove innocence.

So the last 8 years that ideal and idea of freedom has had the knees knocked out from underneath it. We have lost freedoms. The disappointing thing is that Obama is not rolling back these changes.

I'm offended by the liberals who either fail to understand what's going on, or are well aware yet will do anything to destroy America by implementing the liberal agenda.

The empty suit in the White House, and his minions can only milk so much public sympathy by blaming the prior administration for all the worlds ills. At some point, they will have to be accountable for their actions. I see the empty suit being out in 2012. The independents have woken up and they carried the guy last year. He won't have that luxury in 2012.

I let the moron speak for me. I don't need to post anything. He is the poster-boy for the Repugs/Libertarians. Enough posted. Go count you deferrals, you, ugly American !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

We should thank God for what Bush and Cheney did for our country. It's a shame that it's all being undone by bozobama.

As a survivor forms of torture do not bring forth any honest or legal information. Those into abuse and forms of torture only want and demand to hear information that meet their narcissistic wants and needs.

One can see what has taken place at the top has only brought chaos and tyranny to society. Crime has been running rampent by many of those who are supposed to uphold the law. The constant Ideology and Propaganda seems to have brainwased a number of people. As a survivor I could not buy into any of it. They did not save lives and a number of people have died. Thanks for the memories the truth shall set me free.

What is really offensive are the wing-nuts that call anyone who dares question Lord Cheney's actions by calling us "terrorist lover's" and other lovely names.

Well let repeat back at you what many of you said to those who disagreed with Cheney/Bush over the last 8 years... "If you don't like America the way it is, then leave it!"

Because it so happens that a majority of Americans voted for Obama, whether you like it or not!

We hung Japanese for waterboarding........were we wrong then or now?

Anyone who thinks we could have gone 8 years of no attacks on this country without the hard work and interrogations of the CIA and other agencies is whistling past the graveyard. Now, if and when an attack occurs, it will be on Obama's and Holder's heads. They won't be able to blame Bush for the catastrophe they are creating. Pray that you and your family are not in the building that is destroyed.

Anyone who thinks we could have gone 8 years of no attacks on this country without the hard work and interrogations of the CIA and other agencies is whistling past the graveyard. Now, if and when an attack occurs, it will be on Obama's and Holder's heads. They won't be able to blame Bush for the catastrophe they are creating. Pray that you and your family are not in the building that is destroyed.

Obama is risking a lot by pursuing this option. Focusing on bringing down American's and giving the benefit of the doubt to the terrorist. If there is a terror strike, you know he's completely exposed for not doing enough to protect Americans.

How much News International stock does Cheney own anyway?

My clown friend, Alz is back. Hey Alz, maybe Obama and his people are on the side of law and order, you know following our laws. Which side are you on?

Dick Cheny has been "offending the hell out of me" for years. Few men pose a greater threat to our Constitution than he does.

Dick Cheney is offensive to anyone who believes in the rule of law. I too, happily anticipate the day I can visit his grave and spit on it. He is disgrace to the United States of America.

If eight years of the Bush/Cheney administration were so wonderfully successful at combating Al Queda, why is it still such a significant threat? That's twice as long as it took us to defeat Nazi Germany and Japan combined!

Bob

I am proud to be an American and I hope we have higher morals than what was shown during the Bush/Cheney years! Lying, torture and starting wars are not any part of these ideals! Remember the warnings that were given and ignored by these people, and it produced the greatest attack ever on American soil by an enemy! And they say they protected us? Who profited by these people? What did they preserve, protect and defend? Halliburton, Blackwater, KBR, etc.

I love when people say Obama cant protect us, etc. It was under BUSHCHENEY that we were attacked. It was under them that everything went to hell in a handcart. Torture is illegal and wrong, any way you cut it. It does NOT produce results.

one only sane person in the chaney family is the gay daughter

JUST ASK THE PEOPLE WHO LOST LOVED ONES AND FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE 9/11 ATTACK WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT CIA METHODS FOR GETTING INFORMATION FROM THESE ANIMALS

Obama and his gang will blame Bush for every problem until he is voted out in 2012, a failure. He's already lost the independents who gave him the 52% win. You liberals worried about waterboarding, I have two words for you: David Berg.

I fear the Obama administration is leading us down a road that will one day cost a great many American lives. And nobody will be able to blame that on the previous administration.

These public investigations are done for political reasons which only helps individuals and hurts the nation. The administration could easily investigate this quietly if they wanted to really bring justice to the parties of wrong doing. We are now being laughed at by the Islamic world and they are very happy to see that they are succeeding in dividing this country with little effort.We are doing this to ourselves. The evil we fight in this world is not an open war as in the past, this enemy hides in the shadows and hits you before you know it and then disappears in a flash.
Pakistan's former prime minister Benazir Bhutto wrote that one of the primary aims of the militants is: "...to provoke a clash of civilizations between the West and ...Islam. The great hope of the militants is a collision, an explosion between the values of the West and what the extremists claim to be the values of Islam... The attacks on September 11, 2001, hearalded the ...dream of bloody confrontation... if the fanatics and extremeists prevail...then a great fitna (disorder through schism or division) would sweep the world. Here lies their ultimate goal: chaos.

"The hell" is precisely what needs to be removed from inside Mr. Cheney, whether through offending him or by any other means. Except torture!

Two words about torture - it worked.

Check Weekly Standard 09/07 Volume 014 Issue 47 -

'The Most Prolific Detainee' - We learned a lot about Al Qaeda from KSM, and not by asking nicely.'

For those of you out there who haven't figured it out YET - there are some meanies out there who mean to do us harm and will stop at NOTHING in order to accomplish that.

How about the description of a late-term abortion - try THAT for torture.

Thrilled to hear Cheney is offended. Should keep him humble.

I still think the Dick Cheney was behind 911 to get us into a war so his buddies could get stinking rich. He talks about us having the greatest military in the world, why then did he need to hire Blackwater?

As usual, the Left supports the terrorists and the American people. An indepdendent review released this week said the tactics used by the CIA SAVED American lives and PREVENTED attacks.
What is interesting is that in recent days it has been reported that there is a huge fight going on between Eric Holder and Leon Panetta, with Panetta even threatening to quit over this fishing expedition by the UnAmerican Far Left and Mark Silva hasn't even reported on it. Once again, Mark Silva has an aversion to facts and aversion to NEWS stories not favorable to his boss or his ideology.
The FACT is that Obama and the Democrats have gone back to a pre-9/11 mentality that will only endanger all Americans. The FACT is most Americans are against closing Gitmo and most Americans are against this probe. The only good thing about all of this is that it is part of the 2010 defeat of the Democratic party and Obimbo.

Hey, for those that don't understand much about waterboarding, it was a FIELD technique - at least since the Spanish American War.

It's not considered torture - only by liberals who USED the issue as a way to get at Bush.

No one likes war, but survival means we have to do certain things. There are gra areas and waterboarding is no where near torture - especially when you lookup torture techniques.

Sabathia,

Are you secretly hoping for an attack just to prove you're right? Because there is nothing more gratifying than thousands of people dying to affirm your position.

I'm offended too! The J-Dept. needs to start at the top, not with the little fish at the bottom. Start with Dick, Yoo, the other high Reich assistants, then work their way up and down the food chain.

"Pray that you and your family are not in the building that is destroyed.
Posted by: Sabathia | August 30, 2009 1:20 PM"

Sabathia,

'OSB determined to strike within US borders'.

GWB and Dick and Ashcroft were asleep at the switch.
Ashcroft, in fact, had asked for a $55 million DECREASE in counter-terrorism funding on September 10, 2001.

I'm so sorry that Mr Cheney is offended. As another commenter noted, torture is pretty offensive to some of us as well.

As far as the moral of the CIA goes, I'm shedding big tears there, too, over an organization which is so inept that it entirely missed the biggest event of the last century, the fall of the Soviet Union, and miserably failed us with cooked "intelligence" (if you can even call the load of horse hockey we were fed actual "intelligence", when specious fantasy would be far more appropriate) in the runup to the Iraq war. Boo hoo.

4-1/4 million people decided the election, which translates into less than 3-1/2% of 125 million voters (1.4% of 304 million US population). If these 4-1/4 mil (approx 1/2 of NYC) voted the other way, McCain would be President. Our country is very divided, almost exactly in half. Lately it seems that Obama has been intent on dividing us further!!

Unlike the gay liberals who have no children, I have kids. No one can refute Cheney's facts: we have not had an attack on US soil since 9/11. I don't know about you, but I would rather deaths occur elsewhere than in my own country! Can anyone explain why we have NOT had any more attacks? Do you think the terrorists just took their ball & went home? Under Obama, our national security is a big joke. He BOWS to Muslims!

I think there is considerable evidence that A) the Bush administration wanted information to build a case for the invasion of iraq and they did not care if the source was accurate. B) The cia went along with this by collecting information using enhanced techniques that have been proven to be highly inaccurate. C) The CIA was able to obtain falty information through these interegations that the Bush administration then used to justify the invasion in iraq. D) both the CIA and the Bush administration were aware of the fact that they were peddling false information as a justification for the invasion.

The real problem is here is that the CIA does not just answer the administration in power, but instead to the citizens, laws, constitution of the United States of America.

The CIA is now allowed to break laws simply to justify action preferred by one particular party/administration. To NOT investigate (and then prosecute if evidence is found) would send a message to the CIA that it is in their best interest to appease the current administration no matter what the case because they will not be held accountable if evidence later comes to light of their actions.

We also must remember this is about simply investigating to see IF a crime did take place. If no evidence is found, then noone will be prosecuted. I am not sure why Cheney would not want an investigation that could prove his innocence if he is in fact not guilty of a crime. This yet more of a reason to in fact go through with the investigation. Rember Blogovich also through that his investigation was "Political".

Dick Cheney's legacy is torture, pre-emptime war over non-existent WMDs, Halliburton war profiteering, and a failure to protect America from the worst attack since Pearl Harbor. It's about time they investigated him. After listening to him spout garbage like "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency" and "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators" for eight years, you know he's lying whenever he opens his mouth. I'm offended that this habitual liar gets TV time, but I wouldn't expect anything else from Faux News.

Well, how offended is little dickie going to be when he and his cowardly war criminal former boss are arrested, tried, convicted, and deservedly executed for thier war crimes and crimes against humanity?? I know I'd feel really good about it. I hope they hold a lottery to allow representatives of the public attend the execution. The fact that this pathetically unAmerican coward is still a free man is truly offensive.

MARK wrote: "Quite frankly, I don't care WHAT was done to these scum if it saved lives of innocent people and American soldiers."
The same justification was used to torture American soldiers in Vietnam. We are no better than our "enemy" when we try to justify torture.

"We should thank God for what Bush and Cheney did for our country. It's a shame that it's all being undone by bozobama."Posted by: jfr | August 30, 2009 1:02 PM

*****
So jfr, did you thank your fictional invisible outerspace boogyman when your cowardly war criminal heroes ALLOWED the worst terrorist attack on US soil to take place on 9-11-01??
Typical clueless, America-hating, 'prayer for failure' wingnut proves why they were recently rendered politically irrelevent.

How did a demented moron like Dick Cheney ever become vice president of the United States?

Cheney's offended? Boo-Frikkin-Hoo.
I would like to see him prosecuted for war crimes. And for the crimes he committed against our military by trying to gin up a legal framework for torture. He's given a playbook to any group that may capture one of our own troops.

How did a demented moron like Dick Cheney ever become vice president of the United States?

There's no right way to do wrong

Obama should NOT have extended this tyrant's Secret Service protection. I hope that Obama does not make the same mistake twice. Cheney is an evil man.

Only in Chicago would so many demonize anything that would assist in keeping America safe. Yes, I am a U.S. Marine Veteran if that makes any difference.
Look at Chicago crime reports to see what liberalism brings.

He-he...he got to go on an Alaskan cruise with his children and grand children while kids/parents/mothers/fathers he and Bush and his crew sent off to war get nothing!!!

Now let me ask each of you liberal neophites the same question. If your parents are being held by terroists and they are threatening to kill them, but we have just captured a terroist that knows where to find them, what will you do.
A. Give him a DVD of Michael Jackson's Thriller
B. Take him to McDonalds and order him a Quarter Pounder with Cheese Value Meal
C. Take him the Mets Game
Now it is possible that any number of you could cosnider any of these 3 torture, bottom line, you are all scuz balls. What is the number of lives that are needed to justify saving before you would deprive a bad guy of sleep or be subjected to loud music. You people make me sick and when we get control of this country again, and we will, we are going to stuff you back in your closet where you belong.

Now let me ask each of you liberal neophites the same question. If your parents are being held by terroists and they are threatening to kill them, but we have just captured a terroist that knows where to find them, what will you do.
A. Give him a DVD of Michael Jackson's Thriller
B. Take him to McDonalds and order him a Quarter Pounder with Cheese Value Meal
C. Take him the Mets Game
Now it is possible that any number of you could cosnider any of these 3 torture, bottom line, you are all scuz balls. What is the number of lives that are needed to justify saving before you would deprive a bad guy of sleep or be subjected to loud music. You people make me sick and when we get control of this country again, and we will, we are going to stuff you back in your closet where you belong.

The idea that Dick Cheney and his crew are worried about morale at CIA is laughable. They weren't worried about morale when they yelled at CIA to try to get the spin they wanted on Iraq. They weren't worried about morale at CIA when they stovepiped their own (faulty) intel into the White House because they didn't like what they were getting from CIA. Give us all a break. Doesn't anyone remember that Cheney and crew treated CIA with more contempt than any admin in history?

Now let me ask each of you liberal neophites the same question. If your parents are being held by terroists and they are threatening to kill them, but we have just captured a terroist that knows where to find them, what will you do.

Posted by: morton mike | August 30, 2009 7:42 PM

Your rhetorical questionis whats sickening. How do you know this supposed terrorist that you have captured knows where this supposed family is?? Did he come right out and tell you?

What about all of the innocents that were tortured???
Its people like you that disgraces our country. There are international laws put into place for a reason buddy. the fact that terrorists dont follow that rule of law is whats supposed to make them different from us. Get it? Na I didnt think so.
You also seem to forget that your precious Bush regime was warned about 911 and ignored those warnings. Who do you think the families of 911 victums blame the liberals or the Bush administration??
The day you moral midgets gain back control of America is never gonna happen so long as you spew out such rhetorical questions to scare people into voting for your agenda. Americans are too smart now to fall for your BS.

I would like to know under what circumstances does Cheney think it is appropriate to look into whether the government or its military engaged in war crimes.

And under what circumstances would it be appropriate to investigate the CIA to determine if they engaged in illegal activities?

It seems to me that any time the civilian government even looks like it is going to look into the CIA, the CIA goes after the government. That is terrible. The CIA needs to be responsible to the government, otherwise it is just a secret cabal, which is not what this country is supposed to be about.

And I'm tired of Cheney never taking any responsibility for being asleep at the wheel which enabled Al Qaida to attack us in the first place. The Bush administration did nothing to deter terrorist attacks, but after the attacks happened, they went nuts and decided to just do anything to protect the country, whether it was legal or not.

OK let's say that as far as most are concerned anything Cheney feels is not relevant.. can't stand either him or Bush..
However, as an American I am as should all other American's be upset by this BS.. this is being done for 2 reasons.. 1. diversion from the Democratic spending spree 2. So the Democrats can TRY to shove Health Care, Amnesty, and Cap and Trad through.
I am in fear that we have another attack.. listening to what they are calling torture.. what wimps.. God help us if they are called on to protect this country.. other than water boarding many of these punishments were used by parents in the good old days when parents were parents, go to your room (one without the tv, video game, dvd and computers.. missing a meal was even included sometimes..idle threats.. giving the allusion that something has occurred that really didn't.. and know what these are men and women who protected your butts so you could whine about torture.. that isn't torture of the bad guy's who really are wanting you DEAD.. Please bring back the draft so this little wimps can grow a pair..time to put down the pot pipe and join reality..

Thanks Mr. Vice President. I slept better when you and "W" had our back. So did BHO, he just hasn't realized it yet. Ask yourself one question: What would John Wayne do? And you know the answer to that.

Stoning, decapitation, throwing acid in face, genital mutilation, poison gas, amputation, rape, electrical shock...THOSE are tortures and I don't seem to recall any Americans taking part...WHY aren't we more outraged at the 'religion of peace - Islam' than our own govt? What do you think those 9/11 hijackers did with those box-cutters? I wish every tv would show non-stop coverage on 9/11 of every atrocity, the jumpers, the victims, everything. Seems like we forgot already.

Cheney may be a citizen of this country but he certainly is not a good American. A draft dodger in his own right, he had no qualms about sending the military off on a mis-planned and mis-managed mission in the wrong place and used illegal methods in the process. Gerald Ford had serious reservations about Cheney. The man is so panicked that his legacy is in the negative he's out playing defense and just making his case look worse. He can talk until he is blue in the face but he's still the ugly American in the views of a large majority of Americans.

Cheney, when asked about the collapse of the economy said no one in the administration was smart enough to see it coming. That tells you everything you need to know about Cheney. And for those who think 'liberals' have a corner on the dislike of Cheney, bear in mind that many conservatives, including vets, think he smeared our honor as a country and defiled the flag.

I am sure Hitler as well thought everything he was doing was for the benefit of the homeland. Wake up man, I don't care what side you come from or how evil you are, you should not be tortured. Getting executed or imprisoned, fine, but torture is just wrong. Granted things other groups of people do (like they did in Iran after this last election) makes this look like child's play but still how can you justify this in your head.

The Republicants don't get it ( I borrow that term from a blog I read...it fits). President Obama is not hamstringing those who are trying to protect our nation. On the contrary, he is going after those who lied about those who broke the law and make us more vulnerable. While valuable information may have been gleaned from some interrogations, many were abused without a bit of useful intel being elicited. Come on, after you waterboard a guy a hundred times, he knows that you are just getting your rocks off and he is not going to die from it! We will still gather intel from those we consider enemies or useful for our defense. But we need to punish those who so blatantly lied to the world - WMDs, Valerie Plame and Halliburton are good places to start. The former VP and his buddies got rich off the blood of real American heroes. Their crimes deserve our fullest attention. The most ironic of his statements was that this was absolutely political. So was outing a covert CIA agent, Mr. Cheney. Shameful.

I live abroad and see how America is now perceived. We were attacked and the world was in our corner. We lied and many turned against us.

I read that Goering was offended at his war crimes trial...

Hell if "Vice" -- Cheney had not had that heart attack- he would have been the Prez.

For those buying into the liberal myths about Iraq, have you seen what the DEMOCRATS said about Iraq?

Even if these people changed their minds, they never said they did and they never apologized:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

Yet more to come re: torture, when the terrorists are housed in American jail cells. I am sure we will be accused of such horrific crimes as serving pork, having dogs in prisons, and no east facing windows. This despite the fact that we will be aiding in their recruitment of future terrorists, by providing them with a bunch of malcontents eager to embrace any cause that will hurt this country. No good deed goes unpunished.

I love to see him squirm...

One poster wrote 'I'm offended by torture conducted in my name as a citizen.'

I believe the so-called 'torture' was conducted in the names of American soldiers whose lives were saved thru acquired intelligence. Why not ask them how they feel about it?
(active combat duty ones please)

So does anyone that has a problem with so called "torture" (it's not-read the law) of KSM... rationalize a predator drone dropping 500LB bombs on Taliban leaders and killing anyone close to the primary target, or Navy Seal snipers shooting a teenage pirate in the head to free a hostage? We can kill people to stop more death and terrorism, but we can;t scare a monster like KSM into telling us what he knows?

This is nothing but politics... Holder is a tool- Obama is desperate to get this in front of his loser Health Care bill.

That lying fascist Cheney belongs in jail. Noboby believes his revisionist description of what happened.

Some clueless Republicants (love that term, since it offends and describes them simultaneously) posit that those against Cheney's lies and abuses are making America more vulnerable. Endure a SERE program and see how useless torture techniques can be. Nah, that would mean they'd have to join the military. It's far easier to play with others' lives when you have never served and know nothing about what combat really means...just like Cheney and Bush. (Please don't pretend that Bush the 43rd served - he didn't and had his records sealed to prevent us from knowing the truth.)

It's sad that Obama lacks the intestinal fortitude to really pursue Cheney and the other criminals in the Bush Administration. Maybe he should go back to stringing popcorn garlands with kindergarteners or whatever the hell he did as a "community organizer" because he's clearly not fit to be President.

Cheney is offened? Wow. Thousands of Americans are DEAD due to Cheney's manipulations to "war" in Iraq. Who gives a flip if a murderer feels OFFENDED? VP Dick has no credibility. He must be afraid if he needs to do so much PR repair work. All his scrambling is not doing any good, however. Has any other VP in history ever been so visible after his administration was over? Wow, one would think it was Cheney's administration. Cheney needs to go "home", to Wyoming now, shut the hell up--yet answer questions from a special prosecutor. Cheney sure seems to be an ugly, boring, hateful and evil being. Everyone I know flips past any channel or talk show when they see that cold and ugly Cheney face on the screen. VP Dick makes these people not want to buy or use any product that is advertised during a show with VP Murderer (4300+ troops and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians) and Torturer Cheney. VP Dick gives preppys, hunters, northern European caucasian males, and Pug fathers of gays a terribly bad name. Chris Wallace on FAUX News interviewing Cheney brings to mind a picture of Squeaky Fromm interviewing Charles Manson. Fair and balanced. Where is The Hague? Please Hague, intervene. Our leaders seem to have lost their moral compass. I never want to give an other nation an excuss to pull "Cheneys" on our loved ones.

1. diversion from the Democratic spending spree 2. So the Democrats can TRY to shove Health Care, Amnesty, and Cap and Trad through.

Posted by: Independent Voter Joliet | August 30, 2009 9:30 PM

Again another idiot who has no idea how our government works. The Executive branch has no say in what the Attorney General to investigate! And if you think the torture involved is nothing more than spanking or denying TV then you're blinder than a bat!

Unlike the gay liberals who have no children, I have kids. No one can refute Cheney's facts: we have not had an attack on US soil since 9/11.

Posted by: loves my family | August 30, 2009 6:02 PM

So all liberals are Gay now? Man you wingnut breeders take the cake! And onemore thing moron, 911 happened on Bush and Cheneys watch you dumb rock!!!

I see all the Cheney hate is being vomiting out. The very first post is by a a completely uninformed guy named "danny". Danny claims Cheney and Libby "outed" Plane. First, Plame was not covert. But, second, it would be nice if "danny" could get out of his cave long enough to realize it was an inadvertent comment by Richard Armitedge, who had no love for the administration, that dropped Plame's name. That fact, "danny" is well known to anyone who bothered to pay attention.

Rick

Why does the media so consistently report the views of this man? He should be indicted instead of offered as a legitimate point of view.

The President has said he wants to move on and look forward not back and doesn't want this to go further on.
But this Government continues on this path of investigation of our Agents.
Who is really in charge in the WH? Obama? Or is it (as I have said many times) Pelosi & Reid who have, on numerous occasions, said they want this to continue.

I see all the Cheney hate is being vomiting out. The very first post is by a a completely uninformed guy named "danny". Danny claims Cheney and Libby "outed" Plane.
Posted by: Rick Caird | August 31, 2009 7:43 AM

Talk about uninformed:

updated 4:24 p.m. ET, Tues., May 29, 2007
WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

I'm no liberal. Torture is contrary to our moral values and everything I was ever taught about this country. I'm gonna burn all my Weekly Readers from the 60's. The enemy tortures. We were always above that. Like everything else that takes away civil rights, they find a situation that almost justifies it, and build from there. Pretty soon we will be water boarded for being late on our taxes.

Billy,

Just who was it that outed Valerie Plame?

Scroll up to yesterday at 12:16 p.m.

I do not like Cheney, but given what was going on I do not think what was done was that out of line. This is war. At least the other guys think it is. We would not won WW2 if this sort of thought process was in place then. We would have made nice with Japan and Germany and bombed them with little love notes. Let get real here.

Cheney is despicable; a vile, cynical, and evil puppeteer. He's more of an enemy than some of our real enemies. He needs to be put in front of one of those fictious "death squads". You know, those government boogyman who control whether grandma or grandpa lives.

It's no surprise that Fox "news for crackpots by crackpots " fawns over him. It is disappointing however, that anyone else picks-up the story.

Leave anything he or Palin or any other right wing crazy says to Fox "news". Nobody believes them anyway....

Why is this man even flapping his lips ? He wasn't relevant while he was in office, what makes him think he is now ?

Mr Cheney, go away, and never grace us with your foul presence again.

Please bring back the draft so this little wimps can grow a pair..time to put down the pot pipe and join reality..

Posted by: Independent Voter Joliet | August 30, 2009 9:30 PM

Of course you needed no draft before volunteering to serve in Iraq, right?

As for your silly comparison to your childhood, most kids understand that no matter what their parents put them through, they have the kid's interest at heart. A kid has no expectation that her mom will actually starve her to death. Situation's a mite different when you're dealing with captors who are overtly hostile.

Posted by: morton mike | August 30, 2009 7:42 PM

Hey Morton, some one kidnapped my parents, amd think it was your kid might knpow where they are I want to torture him to fiind out what he knows. I'm sure you'll have no problem with that. Anything to save alife right? I'm sure we can get little Mike Jr. to tell us everything. I hope he survives, but if he doesn't, oh well, I'm sure mt goverment would never investigate., We've learned so much from the example of the great americans like you and Cheney.

Obama gave Cheney continued tax payer paid secret service protection so Cheney could continue to live in the DC area and to go on TV saying this stuff....birds of a feather....

Timmy,

If Vice-President Cheney wasn't relevant while he was in office, why did all you flatliners get your panties in a bundle everytime he spoke?

Ok wingnuts and pro torturers out there. McCain is against oing back into this but he also said this and that is why we dont torture! :

Host Bob Schieffer asked if the senator agreed with Vice President Cheney that the interrogations produced helpful information for the United States in fighting terrorism.

McCain:
"I think these interrogations once publicized helped al-Qaeda recruit''.

Get that wingbagers?? He also said: "I think the ability to work with our allies was harmed."

During a trip to Iraq, McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) were told by an operative that the images of abuse at Abu Grhaib prison camp helped him recruit "thousands" of anti-American terrorists.

Now thats the smartest thing I've ever heard out of that man and agree with him! I'm a hard core liberal commie socialist, It doesnt take a brain surgen to know that if you torture them they grow bigger.

Now go home and ponder on that.

He's relevant Terry. Like hemorrhoids. There is nothing worse than some chicken s*&6t individual who ducked the service of his country, telling everyone else how to keep America safe. But I find it rampant on the right. Semper Fi...Terry!

If Vice-President Cheney wasn't relevant while he was in office, why did all you flatliners get your panties in a bundle everytime he spoke?

Posted by: Terry | August 31, 2009 6:42 PM

I beleive Timmy spelled it out pretty clearly as to why all us ''Flatliners'' lost our ''Panties'' everytime he spoke. This irrelevant traitor was a heartbeat away from the Presidency! Of course we spoke out! What would you have us do Terry? Play deaf dumb and blind? Sorry but thats your trip not ours!

BillyR,

So since BO never served, I guess he should never send troops into battle - whoops too late.

Patti from the Land of Fruits and Nuts,

You didn't lose your panties, they are in a bundle. As far as Vice-President Cheney, I couldn't think of anyone better to have a heartbeat from the presidency. Someone who put this country first, unlike the current crew. Have fun with Joe Foot in the Mouth. Leadership you can wet you finger over.

Someone who put this country first, unlike the current crew. Have fun with Joe Foot in the Mouth. Leadership you can wet you finger over.

Posted by: Terry | August 31, 2009 10:21 PM

He put his country first? By lying to get into war and pad his own wallet? And how come no comment regarding McCains statements? Asusual avoiding the issue at hand and blabbering about nothing. And may I ask where youa re from? Since Im from the land of Fruits and Nuts I think its only fair I know where y ou're from so I can call you names too!

Terry is right, we need a hero like Dick Cheney in the White House. We need a man who understands that the 200 plus year history of this country condemning torture was a dreadful mistake. We need a man who will say that every war President before Bush was on the enemies side since they didn't use torture. We need a man who can acknowledge that the Nazi's Sovirts and Saddam were all right, that torture is needed, and that the US rather than condemning them, should have been learning torture techniques from them. We need a man in the White House who would never let the law stop him from doing anything. W$E needd a man who undertsand that the agancies of the Federal goverment, especially the CIA, sjhould be above the law, and shoukld never have their actions reviewd by elected officials in any way. We need a good, strong government, anti-"rights", pro-war, pro-torture, anti-democracy man in the White House. As Terry, will agree, Dick Cheney is clearly that man.

Posted by: Pat from LA | August 31, 2009 7:57 PM

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Pat- How do the EITs help Al Qaeda recruitment? This is nothing but a DNC slogan masking as a moral argument.

--Does it really make sense to you that an organization like Al Qaeda that is willing to slice a guys head off while he begs for mercy and videotape it or, has as it's strategy to murder innocent women and children will be so incensed at the relatively (in their eyes) "wimpy" interrogation techniques that they will be able to gain volunteers?
You think the conversation might go like this?
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Terrorist recruiting guy: Look at this Ny Times story- our brothers are getting smoke blown in their face, the infidels are scaring them into thinking that they will harm their wives and children, they are making them think they are drowning and they are listening in on our phone calls…. For Allah’s sake! We need you to join us so that you can die for our cause and take as many non-believing women and children with you! Want to join…?? Sign here and strap on this belt- welcome to the jihad.

BTW- Are you ok with our current strategy of killing Al Queda targets and any innocents that happen to be near them with drone launched missles - ? It's ok to kill in the name of national security but not use EITs which cause no permanent physical damage?

heartburn, I think ending up dead is permanent physical damage isn't it?

http://www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen/21236prs20051024.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/mar/07/usa.afghanistan

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/30/accountability/

heartburn, I think ending up dead is permanent physical damage isn't it?

Posted by: Rob | September 1, 2009 10:57 AM

Yes it is - but your examples are not the issue here and are not being investigated by Holder...
You are citing and referring to crimes- EITs have already been investigated by the inspector general ( non -political carreer proffessionals) and determined that there was no basis for prosecution- and that the techniques did not meet the legal criteria for torture.

There is a difference in your examples of breaking the law and what Holder is pursuing-Holder ( and Obama despite his claims that the AG is acting independently) is using attorney general prosecutors (political) to review what has already been reviewed and determined to not be illegal...my guess is to change the conversation from his failing health care mess.

heartburn, you are wrong again. First off, the report that triggered the holder investigation originated because of some of these deaths. One in particular resulted from one of the tactics torture supporters like you defend: environmental exposure. An afghan detainee was left in a cell, chained to a bare concrete floor, with no clothes and no blanket. By morning he was dead from hypothermia. In addition, no charges have been filed on the majority of those cases that resulted in deaths.

Secondly, Holder is not investigating with attorney General prosecutors. He is appointing a Special Prosecutor.

Thirdly, the Inspector Generals report did not say that no crimes were committed. The report concluded that the CIA had used "unauthorized, improvised, inhumane" practices. The decison not to prosecute was made by the Bush Department of Justice. If the Obama decision to investigate is political, than the Bush decision not to prosecute crimes must be considered political as well.

How do the EITs help Al Qaeda recruitment? This is nothing but a DNC slogan masking as a moral argument.

Posted by: heartburn | September 1, 2009 9:55 AM

Deaf Dumb and Blind Heartburn, Last time I checked McCain was a Republican. And he is the one who made these claims!! Obviously you skipped that part of my post. As did Terry rag weed and the rest of you un-ethical war drum beaters!

Heartburn, whoever you are, you're just not the brightest bulb in the bunch now are you.
So if you got your hands on a videotape of people torturing someone you love this wouldnt incite you to hate those people more? Right, you being on the far right tells me youown a gun and are willing to use it. So how is that different from terrorists who see americans torturing their people. why wouldnt that incite them to hate us more? One has to wonder how your brain even functions.

Patti from the Land of Fruit and Nuts,

Vice-President Cheney's deferred compensation from Haliburton was to be paid to him no matter what happened to the Company. He earned that amount prior to Janaury 20, 2001.

Terry from the City of Crooked Politicians - take a guess at the town.

Love's Torture,

I guess the assumption you nad I differ on is waterboarding torture. Does waterboarding leave permanent mental or physical damage? NO It just scares the hell out of you. If waterboarding was torture, then how did KSM survive 183 episodes of it?

Heck Terry, we didn't stop at waterboarding, not by a long shot. The CIA IG report makes that clear. We killed well over a dozen detainnees while interogating them. Isn't that great? I'm sure you are as proud of that fact as I am. A great American Hero like Dick Chgeney would never tie our heroic, noble, torturers hands by limiting them to waterboarding. Nope, Freezing to death, choked to death, plain old beaten to death, it's all good, right Terry?

Terry, where i nthis post do I say anything about Cheney's compensation from Haliburton?

AS usual not paying attention. So I guess you wouldnt mind being waterboarded right? Somehow I think youwoulnt last one go at it!

Go to the back of the bus you loser!

Love's Torture,

So if you thought KSM knew about a terrorist attack within 24 hours that would kill 3,000 Americans - with a 99% probablity, you wouldn't choke the life out of him (or at least make him think you were) to get the intel? And if he didn't tell and during the course of the interigation he actually had the life choked out of him, would you shed a tear for his life?

Scottie,

Let's take care of some history first:

"That being said, lets consider this my last response to you and your egging and extremely creepy behavior. You're no better than the Palin media hounds." - Do you know who said that? I guess your response to me makes you a liar.

Second

"where i nthis post do I say anything about Cheney's compensation from Haliburton?" I thought I was talking to Patti from Land of Fruits and Nuts. So you are Patti? Another fib.

Where else would a loon assume that Vice-President Cheney be "profitting" from the war?

As far as me being waterboarded, if I had been responsible for the death of 3,000 people, I guess I would expect a lot worse than waterboarding. If you ever want to find out what waterboarding is like, ask a United States Naval Officer that has been thru SERE training and he will you in.

Like I said Terry, You, Dick Cheney and I know that torture is a good, all american policy, and that ther should be no limits, not even killing. It's just too bad that we wasted all those years condemning the Soviets, the North Vietnamese and Saddam for using torure. I bet they could have taught us siome really good techinqies for our brave patriot torturers to use. I think we should send John McCain (that anti- american torture hater!) back to Hanoi to see if he can find any of the guys who worked him over, I bet they still remember a trick or two that or Torturers could use. Anyway, McCain should at least apologize to the Vietnamese, and tell them that American Patriots like us now understand that what they did to McCain was perfectly OK and to thank them for not killing him, not that there would have been anything wrong with them doing that. After all he knew about pending attacks on North Vietnam that would have could have killed thousands of their civilians with 99% probability, right Terry?

Love's Torture,

Did John McCain suffer permament physical damage? Yes, unlike KSM. Was John McCain a uniformed solider? Yes, unlike KSM. Different rules apply.

Now Terry, you're going soft on us. You just said you didn't care about the interogated detainees that died, the ultimate in permanent damage. You aren't telling me that you think that it's a problem that some didn't live through the torture are you? Come on, Dick Cheney knows that's not a problem to be concerned about, don't you get all sissy on me. Next thing you know you'll want to be serving the terrorist tea and crumpets. You aren't really concerned if KSM suffered permanent damage,are you? If you were a real patriot like Dick Cheney and I, you'd be hoping he suffered perament damage, just like every other detainee, no matter what they might, or might not, have done. You aren't really saying that what clothes that guy who was going to kill americans was wearing would stop you from toruring them are you? Heck, our brave american torturers went after uniformed Iraqis. They suffocated an Iragi general during questioning. Isn't that something you are proud of? Dick Cheney is. You wouldn't be anti-american enough to say that suffocating a uniformed Iragi general is a crime, would you Terry?

Say it with me, Terrry: Torture is good. Torture is American! No limits, no laws, just bare brutal force!

Of course the detainees shouldn't have died during torture, just as inncoent people should be hit by Predator drones in the hills of Pakistan, but it happens. Should we hold BO accoutable for war crimes because some of his bombs hit inncoent people?