Health-care skeptic: 'All we get is bull'

Does anyone think that the arroagant Barry O. will ever get the fact that the people don't want this B.S. system? And why are we insuring illegals?

The President has stacked this Town Hall meeting again. When we he tell the truth.

Obama should blame Obama not the media. The media's support made him President. He didn't complain when it was on his side.

Actually, I do think the media is wrong about a lot of things...and that it is guilty of putting support where it is being biased. Beside health care, it also seems to only report how Israel is harming peace negotiations and forgetting how many Muslim leaders are against peace negotiations that will let Israel exist. Many Muslim countries and leaders are asking or demanding more than just a stop to Israel's building. We don't see those demands being published.

We don't see Obama or Clinton mentioning this. So why should I believe them about Healthcare?

Alright, Real Americans!
Way to fight for the right of insurers to continue to rip you off!

While you're at it, you must DEMAND that your Senator introduce legislation to repeal the Medicare Act. Grandma will bless you for it!

We're not insuring illegals, but given the high cost of health care that's past on to us when they get treatment, you and I are still paying for it. Illegal or not, they are still going to get free health care if it's life threatening. Obama's plan doesn't touch that and it never did.

I don't know a single person who is truly happy with their current health coverage -- except for a handful of those already on Medicare. The only thing more aggravating than having insurance companies weasel their way out of covering whatever they can, or resorting to slow-paying claims when they've exhausted all other options or raising their premiums 20 percent a year, is a bunch of ignoramuses running around claiming the government is going to take away your health care.

What are you going to be saying when premiums double within four years if we do nothing, and all our salaries have to go down in order to compensate? Judging by the look of the townhalls, probably not too much -- it looks like you're already on government health care a.k.a. Medicare.

What Reporter Mark Silva doesn't mention is that Obama will take away subsidies from private insurers and TRANSFER them to low income. In other words, Obama wants to hinder the private insurance competition, which will lead to a one-payer system.

So, if you like your insurance now, costs will go up if Obama has his way.

And, why is no one, including reporters, asking Obama why there is not tort reform in any of these bills or what he thinks about his fellow Democrats calling us mobsters, political terrorist, racists and Nazis?

This health care reform is the worst piece of legislation, and is a proxy for special interest groups. I will be sure to attend Jan Schakowsky's town hall meeting Aug. 31 at Niles West, and ask her about tort reform, and costs, and why the government won't allow private health insurance companies to offer their product across state lines?

That's if the union thugs, ACORN and Obama's Truth Squad let me in or even speak.

We are insuring illegals because they will vote democrat every time!

Another stacked friendly meeting, what a joke

I want everyone who is against this idea of insurance reform to try and get an insurance company to cover them under their current practices. Then talk to me about how we don't need to reign in the insurance companies.

Donna,
The "a proud NRA member'' didn't sound much like he came from a stacked audience.

Or do you think he was carefully planted to give the group an appearance of being representative by those clever schemers at the W.H.?

PJ

Regardless of the good intentions of many socialists, if you take things such as health care - things that are traditionally understood as within the ambit of individual liberty and free choice - and you move such things into the ambit of state responsibility, as the welfare state emerges and grows, on the theory that it is government’s responsibility to provide for everyone’s needs (by redistributing resources), the state by definition becomes totalitarian; and, inexorably, the totalitarian state gets bad leaders and the society comes to reflect the policy choices of those leaders.

Of course he would said that now. More people are getting to see parts of the bill. Besides all the BS posted its the real stuff in the bill that is doing him in on this one. And its not even the bill they will be voting on. If they try to rush the finished bill without letting the people read it I would not bet for any Democrat come 2010 or 2012.

I hard to to convince people using facts and reasonable arguments that they are wrong, when you also have to make them realize how ignorant and selfish they are. Specially when all the republicans have to do is scream repeatedly their single line lies.

Obama's so-called "townhall meetings" are a joke. They're actually organized political rallies stuffed with his ideological supporters. They let in a few nutjobs on the right to make it appear balanced.
I would like to ask..How will he provide free health care with no restrictions or rationing to 47 million uninsured persons (including illegal aliens) and also lower the cost to taxpayers?
This is what Obama is promising, but it's not possible.

I was just this minute watching a news broadcast from a protest out of Raleigh, NC in front of Senator Kay Hagen's office. The reporter made the statement that "When I asked the protesters whether any of them had read the details of Obama's proposal, most said no." He then asked one older woman, "If you have not read any of details of the proposal, how do you know what you're protesting?" I swear, the woman said, "No, I haven't read any, but I rely on the Holy Spirit to tell me what's going on, and It told me that this is wrong." It's so nice to see the American voting electorate so informed as to get their "infalible" information from their abtract beliefs. And THESE are the people that protesters think are right? They represent the paranoid fringe! So I and others are supposed to not have access to affordable health care because SHE believes in getting her "insight" from the Great Beyond? Insanity (I'll do everything in my power to find a video of this and post it).

Obama and the Dems will NEVER change anything when it comes to sending back the illegals. The first step would be to stop healthcare and education. I know it sounds harsh, but I work in a hospital and the ER's are FULL of illegals. We offer them Clinic days when they can come and wait to see a Dr., but sure enough, they skip those and fill the ER's. Fixing that would be a great first step to healthcare reform without further taxing the already taxed.

Regardless of the good intentions of many socialists, if you take things such as health care - things that are traditionally understood as within the ambit of individual liberty and free choice - and you move such things into the ambit of state responsibility, as the welfare state emerges and grows, on the theory that it is government’s responsibility to provide for everyone’s needs (by redistributing resources), the state by definition becomes totalitarian; and, inexorably, the totalitarian state gets bad leaders and the society comes to reflect the policy choices of those leaders.

Posted by: Phil Anderer | August 14, 2009 5:31 PM

Long before we slide down your slippery slope to totalitarianism, we'll have collapsed economically due to skyrocketing medical costs, and millions of people will have died prematurely due to lack of preventative care. Deal with reality, not reactionary claptrap.

The Christian thing to do is to let those 47 million uninsured Americans and those who have health insurance and who are about to receive that surprise cancer diagnosis and then dropped by their insurance company, all fend for themselves and rely on faith based charities for assistance in their time of need. The Almighty will take care of you. Besides, you can always file for bankruptcy like many people who face serious medical problems and can't pay for hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills. That way, no one can take your house away until you you are dead. We don't need no communist health system in this country. Leave insurance companies alone and let them make billions in profits---that is what America is all about!

"Democrats calling us mobsters, political terrorist, racists and Nazis"

You have only yourselves to blame. No one else is shown acting like heathens at these town halls but fat, illiterate whites who utter racist chants and condone violent acts. And your fixation on Nazi symbols--because it's always people from your group who revere them--makes it clear why you're all linked to the Third Reich.

Does anyone actually a single word that comes out of Obama's mouth anymore? His constant lies, staggering arrogance and dangerous narcissism are bad, bad news for America.

"20% causing fits" Does he mean like the fits and starts of the market he was so not concerned about. Get a new vocabulary because the current one is out of 1950's idiotville.

We are insuring illegals because the companies that hire them contributed generously to Teleprompter's campaign. People are absolutely pizzed off about this socialized medicine plan, but the funny thing is, you don't hear much about Cap and Trade anymore. They must think we have really short memories because an equal number of people are pizzed off about THAT ridiculous program!

Everyone's against something until they need it.

For people making more that $250k a year, there is nothing wrong with paying a little bit more?

If he does not mind paying more, good for him. But he is all ready letting Bush's tax cute expire, an increase on top of that does not sit well with me. Especially when he talks about taxing the employee and employer each an extra 6.25% for social security on every dollar over $250k.

Sorry Obama, three tax increases on the folks over $250k is too much. Far too much. So much for your "little bit more speach"

A member of England's parliament was on TV the other night. He said England has troubles with their health care, and they are trying to change it to be something like ours. He said he can't believe the U. S. is heading toward what England has.

I'm with Obama as long as he gives me a pair of Mom jeans.

the heck with obami. He's not sure what is in the bill proposed. Real reform is needed, not government control.
Being able to buy insurance across state lines would help, tort refrom should be number one priority, but not in these plans. He's nothing more than a cheap communist and needs to be defeated.

For all the fools that think this bill means FREE insurance, you are sadly mistaken.

This is for DBX.

DBX, I am very happy with my health insurance as it stands right now.

I got right in to see a Dr. last week, within 2 hours of calling him. I can see virtually any Dr. I want to without any prior authorization, or referral. I paid $20 for the visit, and $10 for each to two prescriptions which were filled and waiting for me by the time I got to Walgreens.

My employer pays for a good portion of the health insurance and my portion of the payment is pretax.

Only gripe is the silly flex spending. Why limit how much we can allot to this, and why the guessing game each year of how much to contribute. Just make all health insurance premiums, and and all medical expenses tax deductible and skip the flex spending games.

The majority of Americans support our President and health care reform, the media will always focus on its opponents more than its more reserved quiet supporters...being louder doesn't equal being right in America!

The 'great baloney slicer' slices some more. What is Obama talking about now? His own Administration officials have made the most inappropriate remarks concerning citizens absolute RIGHT to question his policies. We don't work for you, Mr. 'President', you work for us. Public servants should keep this in mind; now and going forward.

DearProudAmericanChristian . . . blah, blah blah . . .

You know, 47 million Americans if far overinflated. I cannot tel you how many employed people, or those unemployed and well off, who can afford insurance and who just choose to not buy it. The estimates are up to 50 percent of those 47 million. So, do tell . . . how are going to get those folks to purchase insurance. Jail time? Fines?

Many of you bleeding hearts don't realize that those uninsured CHOOSE to be uninsured. The poor have Medicaid and are covered. Educated yourself, and maybe someone will listen.

All the Health Care Skeptics are GIVING is Bull. Death Panels? Now we're insuring ILLEGALS? Where on EARTH do they come up with this garbage, and why is it they go to such lengths to believe it?

Sorry people but most of you are off the mark.. The new Health Bill aims at rationing EVERYONE. The insuring of anyone with a pre existing condition is so worded that it cannot possibly do what they promise. It takes about a day to wade thru the words and referrals to other prewritten orders to come up with the real intent. You ain't gonna get it, I promise. This is a bait and switch
at it's very best. We are at the mercy of a well planned takeover of our country. Tarp, cap and trade and after health care comes the Illegal aliens being given full citizenship. This insures that the present administration continues in power.
They will spend most of the Tarp money just before the 2010 elections to assure they stay in power. There is already afoot a bill to let Obama continue in power past the now 8 years limit in office. Read it and weep people, we are being taken !!!

"This meeting, like the president's other one this week in New Hampshire, was a civil affair, unlike some of the most explosive town halls that some members of Congress have faced."
Thats because they are PRE-Screened questions for the Pres.

And of course the President says allot but no substance.
"When you start hearing people say, we're trying to get socialized medicine, and we're trying to have the government (make decisions and) get between you and your doctor, that's just not true.''
"But your point is well taken, because even after we eliminate some of the waste... that's only two-thirds,'' the president said. "That still means we have to come up with one-third, and that's about $30 billion a year that we have to come up with.....

But so now it this?..."Let's assume it costs about $30 billion over 10 years,'' Obama said. "When I was campaigning, I made a promise that I wouldn't raise your taxes if you made less than $250,000 a year... But for people, like me, who make more than that, there's nothing wrong with paying a little bit more.''

UMMMMM you already have raised taxes on those making less then $250,000. How convenient for you to forget.

Mr President, Show us the FACTS, NOT because you say so. Your credibility is totally shot now.

The majority of Americans know we can't afford the impact of the financial debacle known as obamacare! The majority of Americans don't want to pay our hard earned money to insure criminals, aka illegal aliens. We want to keep our own insurance, choose our own doctors and choose our own methods of treatment. We don't want Obama or his minions or the government making choices for us.We can't afford it.

We need some sort of health care reform--but for crying out loud--nobody not even the politicians or the president know what is in the numerous bills that are circulating in Congress. If they could present the bill in terms that all could understand maybe the people wouldn't wouldn't be so as many say ill-informed. He is ramming everything down our throats and no one knows what is going on. Let's fix the economy first then work into everything else.

Today's Obama Whooper: ObamaCare will only cost "an extra $30 billion over the next 10 years". Or $3 billion extra per year.

Fact: the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that ObamaCare will result in a $65 billion deficit in year 10 alone, and a total of $239 billion deficit increase over the next decade. In the 10 years after that, "the net costs of new spending will increase at more than 8% per year between 2019 and 2029, while new revenue would only grow at about 5%. ... In sum, relative to current law, the proposal would probably generate substantial increases in federal budget deficits during the decade beyond the current 10-year budget window.”

BO is a great speaker, a smart guy, and a real threat to the stability of the country. Health care reform becomes "insurance reform" and reorganization of wealth becomes taxing anyone with a 250K income right out of business. How do you know if BO, Reid, or Pelosi is lying to you - their lips are moving.

The real BS is coming from the hack who resides in the White House. He speaks more lies than than all the criminals in the world - combined!
Barack, baby, the folks are smart enough to know you are a colossal liar. You have little credibility left, and all you do is diss those who don't want what you want is a majority of Americans.
Ahhhh, I smell a one-termer! Thank heavens!

The problem with conservatives is that they have given control of their brain to talk radio hosts. Only the host knows. ommmmm. The host knows all. ommmm. Just ask when is the last time they disagreed there all knowing talk show host.

I have read several parts of the bill, and I find them troubling, to say the least. I fear that this "mega-fix approach" will overburden the tax-payers, complicate the system, and build resentment in the general populace when their choices are taken away.

Parts of the bill amend the Social Security code. (Sec. 1151 pages 284-288, Sec. 431 pages 195-196).

Parts of the bill amend the Internal Revenue code (Sec. 401 pages 167-168, Sec. 431 pages 195-196, Sec. 441 pages 197-198), and it appears that the IRS will be a major enforcement mechanism for the plan. Sec. 431 specifically appears to open up our tax return to any federal official, and also to allow federal officials to determine any and all personal information they might deem necessary for coverage eligibility.

Sec. 122 pages 26-30, seems to say that it will be illegal *not* to have full coverage (opting out and only carrying catastrophic coverage) which is in direct conflict to Sec. 431 above - if it's illegal to *not* have full coverage, then how can someone not be eligible for coverage? And Section 205 page 102 says that if you do nothing, you are automatically enrolled. These are CONFLICTING statements in the same document.

This bill is too long, too complex, and too fraught with problems for it to be implemented effectively. I encourage everyone to contact your Senators and Representatives regarding your opinions.

I don't know a single person who is truly happy with their current health coverage -- except for a handful of those already on Medicare. The only thing more aggravating than having insurance companies weasel their way out of covering whatever they can, or resorting to slow-paying claims when they've exhausted all other options or raising their premiums 20 percent a year, is a bunch of ignoramuses running around claiming the government is going to take away your health care.

What are you going to be saying when premiums double within four years if we do nothing, and all our salaries have to go down in order to compensate? Judging by the look of the townhalls, probably not too much -- it looks like you're already on government health care a.k.a. Medicare.

Posted by: DBX | August 14, 2009 5:15 PM
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I am happy with my health care.. at least happier than I would be with GOVERNMENT health care.. If you had read the bill you would understand... go back and tell David Axlerod you did you Propaganda delivery for the day but NO ONE who has a THINKING brain is buying it and it's getting worse.. it's 80% that DON'T WANT this bill and 20% that do..
Now no one is saying that there can't be some improvements however, letting the government take over health care is UN-AMERICAN.. and shows the I can't think for myself mentality of those that can't get off their butts and do ANYTHING for themselves..

You have people like the Swamp protecting this whack off of a president. He is a socialist liar. He looks at you right in the eye and lies to your face and the media protects him at every turn. Today's meeting was totally staged. They try to convince everyone that the town hall meetings are contirved and yet this is their game. These people are ruthless and the Swamp is spineless and protects this knucklehead. How about the 14 yr old that asked the opening question this week and Obama acted like he didnt know her. You liberals make me sick.

The wingnuts here continue to lie about Oama's plans and accuse him of stacking meetings. This is ususal wingnut philosophy. Everyone agrees with us, therefore Obama is stacking the meetings. What a bunch of baloney!

What part of President Obama's speech, that he says, he is not going to insure illegal aliens, don't you people understand? This bill is for U.S. Citizens. This is not a socialist reform bill. It is a bill to help reform health care. Think of it like how the telecommunication industry was reformed by the Government, At&T had a monopoly of the TelCom industry and service was bad and pricey. Now after the reform, We have a system with government controls and and competition. AT&T still is a big player and service and prices have dropped. That what will happen with this bill.

The town hall meetings Obama had were civil and calm because they were stacked. One NRA supported in Montana, only got a little audience reaction, slipped into the meeting and he asked one hard question. This is not transparency nor is it honest. Obama is losing credibility, and Dems will lose ground in midterm elections. I think health care reform, now called health insurance reform, will be shelved. Perhaps they can work on insuring those people that don't want to be insured, but can afford it. Let them work on the 47 uninsured million first and make progress, and then maybe they can convince those of us that are insured that they are to be trusted! I am not sure who was posting that he knows no one happy with their insurance, but he obviously is not in touch.

The meeting was for "invited" guests only. Bama stacked the deck. He's a sweet talking commie, a wolf in sheeps clothing. DO NOT trust this gu y.

the only shame is that Obama and the U.S. government isn't seriously considering single payer health care.

Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email).

http://fleming.house.gov/

If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and for their families.

Ahhhh, I smell a one-termer!

Oh, wait, that's just my FEET! Thank heavens!

Alex, if single payer is so great, why is Britain encouraging people to buy private insurance, and why is there a new private clinic opening every week in Canada?

O(bam is pulling ever low tacit the White House Staff can dig up for him.
Using these tactics turing him into a bigger lemon.
About as low class as a politician can get.

We do in fact insure illegals. When they have kids here, their kids are citizens, and when they get on public aid, the whole family does. I would say that 80% of my public aid patients are illegal or children of illegals.
By the way, reimbursements from medicare haven't changed for 10 years, while the cost of living rises. I think that's a GREAT idea to pay the doctors less. Good luck finding a doctor! Getting into medical school wasn't easy and was quite expensive. I had 7 years of training after medical school, getting paid peanuts and working 100 hour weeks. Why don't doctors deserve to be reimbursed for their work? Yet Obama supports the trial lawyers and opposes caps on malpractice settlements. Sorry, but doctors are people. Get ready for a provider shortage and a flood of foreign medical grads who will need to come to fill the gaps.

"Let's assume it costs about $30 billion over 10 years,'' - WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE EVER MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION? Is he REALLY that ignorant? And are there so many people that are so blind that they think this is true?

Only question I have for Obama and all the Elected Clowns that are for this Health Care Reform Bill , Why is there a provision that exempts them from having to use the plan they are forcing on the rest of us ? If it is good enough for the PEOPLE , then why are you exempting yourself from being on the plan ?

Instead of health reform, lets make this a truly capitalistic nation by eliminating health care coverage for all retired government workers and war veterans. Quit Medicare/Medicaid also. If you can't afford health insurance you'll be out of luck. That is the Zimbabwe plan. We can use mass graves to save money. Oh, and by the way if Americans would eat real food instead of the garbage that passes for meals we would be a lot healthier and might reduce health care costs.

DBX,

I am truely happy with my health care coverage.

PJ,

Did you notice when the man that said he was a proud member of the NRA the light applause he rec'd? They were in MONTANA, he should have rec'd a standing ovation. The meeting with stacked with BO supporters.

Here is some more information, on Healthcare reform, from two very divergent sources: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/08/13/2009-08-13_former_lt_gov_mccaughey_leads_death_panel_charge_writing_up_talking_points_on_he.html
Here is the second:
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/stephen-hawking-defends-care-in-the-uk/?pagemode=print
This may enlighten some, and trouble others.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

The media has been in the tank for Nobama from the get go. I would like to ask the President where he comes up with the 47 million uninsured? How many are illegals?, how many don't want coverage?, and if our insurance in America is so terrible why do so many people from other countries come to America for treatment?.

The meeting was for "invited" guests only. Bama stacked the deck. He's a sweet talking commie, a wolf in sheeps clothing. DO NOT trust this gu y.
Posted by: Dave | August 15, 2009 2:26 AM
The longer he is in Office lies and more lies from his TelePrompTer.

Brianne says:

The majority of Americans support our President and health care reform, the media will always focus on its opponents more than its more reserved quiet supporters...being louder doesn't equal being right in America!
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GUESS AGAIN SWEETHEART, EVER HEARD OF GALLUP, IT'S ALL EVEN:
AUG 11TH: A new Gallup Poll finds that about the same percentage (35%) would tell their congressional representative to vote for a new healthcare reform bill when Congress reconvenes in September as say they would tell their representative to vote against such a bill (36%). The rest (29%) have no opinion either way at this time.

THIS COUNTRY IS NOT LIBERAL.Despite the Democratic Party's political strength -- seen in its majority representation in Congress and in state houses across the country -- more Americans consider themselves conservative than liberal. While Gallup polling has found this to be true at the national level over many years, and spanning recent Republican as well as Democratic presidential administrations, the present analysis confirms that the pattern also largely holds at the state level. HEY LIBS READ THIS: Conservatives outnumber liberals by statistically significant margins in 47 of the 50 states, with the two groups statistically tied in Hawaii, Vermont, and Massachusetts.

It's all on gallup.com . . .

"Let's assume it costs about $30 billion over 10 years,'' - WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE EVER MAKE THAT ASSUMPTION? Is he REALLY that ignorant? And are there so many people that are so blind that they think this is true?

Nothing ever happens in an isolated vacuum. With Obama, first you get the bull. Then you get the horns for the next 5, 10, 15, or 20 years -- the new amount of federal debt-plus-interest bill for the bull -- and the body bags.

If president Obama was actually on the up and up domestically and abroad, and showed real, non-partisan leadership:

1) He -- not the republicans -- would have squawked loudly, early, and often to bring the cost of the $787 billion stimulus down from the starting deficit bid of over $900 billion;

2) The CBO would report that his budget and other proposals would cost EQUAL TO OR LESS THAN what he and Swifty Orszag say;

and most tellingly,

3) 600 US Marines would have been sent into the Helmand hell-hole to help 4,000 Afghan soldiers secure their own country, instead of the other way around, numerically. And the only way Karzai or his post 20 August successor would get another 600 US Marines to be deployed anywhere is for Afghanistan to first pony up an additional 4,000 of their own new soldiers in that anywhere region.

So now health care, and insurance. If Obama was on the up and up, as smart as everyone says he is, and showed real, non-partisan leadership he would have zeroed in immediately on the low-hanging fruit:

Reducing the need for defensive CYA medicine -- the additional tests, the additional consultations with specialists, the additional malpractice premiums -- AND increasing the AMA self-policing of bad-apple doctors.

Fortunately fewer people each passing month take this clown Obama seriously -- and he knows it. President Obama can hear the chickens being plucked and smell the tar heating up.

To the people who back the health care plan: Did you read it and do you understand what it says and do you know it was written by Chicago politicians (most of BO cabinet are) and they are very adept at putting loop holds in anything they write that a semi could go thru it. The so called plan could be interpeted any way the reader wants.

My lord there is some truly uninformed comment on these boards.

How many of you who are satisfied with your health care are on Medicare?

How many of you had any choice in the health care policy you have?

How many of you have had to go into the market for insurance NOT as part of a group?

How many of you have ever been dropped or had a claim denied?

Sure, everything's fine.

We are in deep trouble with the level of idiocy in this country.

Rasmussen asked “1,000 likely voters” this question: “Which would be better… passage of the bill working its way through Congress or no health care reform passed by Congress this year?” and gets the following response:

** 35% Passage of the bill working its way through Congress

** 54% No healthcare reform passed by Congress this year

** 11% Not sure

One problem: There is NO health care reform bill currently working its way through Congress.

Athena,

I am satisified with my healthcare plan and am not on Medicare.
I do have a choice of plans from my employer.
Since I have been happy with the health care provided by my employer, I have not had to go into the market for insurance NOT as part of a group.
I have never had a claim denied or have been dropped in my 27 years of employment.

So what's your point other than for the sake of the 28 million uninsured, screw the remainder of the population?

BC,

Then just what is HR 3200?

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Posted by: BC | August 16, 2009 2:59 PM
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BC,
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Terry is right. Not only is HR 3200 a health care bill working its way through Congress, there is also a Senate Bill under discussion in the Senate Finance Committee.
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The problem isn’t the existence of a bill. There are at least two such bills. The problem is that it is doubtful whether those responding to the poll actually read the 1,100 plus pages (25 lines of double spaced type per page) of the House bill or the 600 plus pages of the existing Senate Bill. Does the Rasmussen Poll even attempt to ascertain whether the respondents have more than a little hearsay knowledge of what they are being asked?
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I think it’s a good bet that all of the trouble and pushback comes from the White House’s and congressional Democrats’ failure to adequately advertise the details of the bills’ contents. The public isn’t going for the, “Trust us, it’s good for you” type of sales pitch. It’s also the lack of aggressive advertising that has given mileage to the misstatements made about the bill. Had the Democrats pitched the matter correctly (which is to say accurately), we might be having an intelligent discussion about some of the more obnoxious features of the bill(s) instead of the myths.

"So what's your point other than for the sake of the 28 million uninsured, screw the remainder of the population?"

Posted by: Terry | August 16, 2009 8:51 PM
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Terry,

If you can't see you are speaking from a comfortable elitist point of view, well, you are (from what can I gather from that statement.) ------

I've been on both sides. Today, I can't believe how excellent my coverage is even if it does cost a little (pre-tax of course). However, I have had times when I had to wait a year for an insurance agency and worker's comp to decide if either of them or I would pay for a huge cost. Even though I had a legitimate claim and had a doctor's full assessment as such, they had an independent doctor look at one piece of paper that said what had happened and there doctor wrote that the tear didn't happen. Maybe this doesn't always happen but my actual point is that there was something real hanging over my head for what I felt was a long time. In the end a mediator not only got an agreement, they made sure I came out fine because he felt that it was not ok how it had dragged on. ------------------

That is a short period of time. I have spoken with people that had no insurance because even though they work their tails off, they would literally not be able to work any more if the took the insurance because the little bit of money they were getting was enough to pay the bills at hand. If their car would not start, they would not have enough to get it fixed to get to work any more. Now, picture what happens when that person gets hurt and needs to go to the hospital or lets say they get an ulcer from worrying about possibly not being able to pay for a car that had a problem or any little thing. They go into the hospital for a minor issue and get a bill for $500 in a few weeks. They can pay on it but don't have the full amount. Then, the car does break down one day and they have to make a decision, pay the hospital or fix the car. Can't work if can't get there so they talk to the hospital and the hospital is fine when it first happens but they make sure to tack on $50 here and there for late fees. Then, decide, its not worth the energy. Send it to collections which begin harassing them until they give in and get a credit card to try to pay things down (not to mention Christmas is coming and the kids are thinking a new pair of shoes would be the greatest and not too much to ask for.) ....... Of course, this story could go either direction as it could get much better but the alternative is as likely. Does it seem like that story was dragging on and on? Try to live it. [Ya, I know! You were born with an above average IQ and haven't had to truly struggle just to get jobs but there are people less fortunate that actually do have a great work ethic.] ----------

Now, Terry if you say, "What about us that don't have problems with our health insurance?" I can only say your statement appears as from one that is a cold hearted _________. You fill in the blank after envisioning 28 million people.