Holder investigating CIA interrogations: The Swamp
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Chicago Tribune
Posted August 9, 2009 7:50 AM
The Swamp

by Greg Miller and Josh Meyer

U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. is poised to appoint a criminal prosecutor to investigate alleged CIA abuses committed during the interrogation of terrorism suspects, current and former U.S. government officials said.

A senior Justice Department official said that Holder envisioned an inquiry that would be narrow in scope, focusing on "whether people went beyond the techniques that were authorized" in Bush administration memos that liberally interpreted anti-torture laws.

Current and former CIA and Justice Department officials who have firsthand knowledge of the interrogation files contend that criminal convictions will be difficult to obtain because the quality of evidence is poor and the legal underpinnings have never been tested.

Some cases have not previously been disclosed, including an instance in which a CIA operative brought a gun into an interrogation booth to force a detainee to talk, officials said.

Other potentially criminal abuses have already come to light, including the waterboarding of prisoners in excess of Justice Department guidelines, and the deaths of detainees in CIA custody in Afghanistan and Iraq in 2002 and 2003.

Opening a criminal investigation is something Holder "has come reluctantly to consider," the Justice Department official said, emphasizing that Holder had not reached a final decision but noting that, "as attorney general, he has the obligation to follow the law."

See the story about the attorney general's expected appointment of a prosecutor to probe possible criminal actions in CIA interrogations of detainees in Tribune newspapers and here in the Swamp:

Others familiar with Holder's thinking say that such an investigation seems all but certain, and that a prosecutor will probably be selected from a short list that Holder asked subordinates to assemble.

Such a prosecutor would examine cases that are generally at least five years old, and probably some that were previously reviewed by career prosecutors who concluded that they could not be pursued.

"I don't blame them for wanting to look into it," said a former high-ranking Justice Department official familiar with the details of the program. "But if they appoint a special prosecutor, it would ultimately be unsuccessful, and it would go on forever and cause enormous collateral damage on the way to getting that unsuccessful result."

Bracing for the worst, a small number of CIA officials have put off plans to retire or leave the agency so that they can maintain their access to classified files and be in a better position to defend against a Justice investigation.

"Once you're out, it gets a lot harder," said a retired CIA official who said he had spoken recently with former colleagues. The inquiry would probably also target private contractors who worked for the CIA during the interrogations.

Current and former U.S. officials interviewed for this article spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy that still surrounds Holder's deliberations and the details of the interrogation files.

President Obama has repeatedly expressed reluctance to launch a criminal investigation of the interrogation program, but has left room for the prosecution of individuals who may have broken the law.

Obama and Holder have both said that they believe waterboarding constitutes torture. But an investigation would pose thorny political problems for the administration, and probably draw criticism over questions of fairness.

"An investigation that focuses only on low-ranking operators would be, I think, worse than doing nothing at all," said Tom Malinowski, Washington advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.

An inquiry also would probably drive a new wedge between the CIA and the Justice Department, agencies with a fractious history that have struggled to work more closely together since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Holder's interest in appointing a prosecutor to mount an investigation reportedly surged after he recently read a still-classified 2004 report by the CIA's inspector general citing extensive problems and abuses in the agency's interrogation program. The bulk of the report is expected to be released this month.

Former CIA officials said the most disturbing section deals with waterboarding, a technique in which prisoners are made to feel they are drowning.

The Justice Department authorized waterboarding in an August 2002 memo that contained a caveat that could prove crucial to any criminal investigation. Although it allowed the approved methods to be "used more than once," the memo stipulated that "repetition will not be substantial because the techniques generally lose their effectiveness after several repetitions."

One passage of the CIA report declassified this year said that the method had been used "at least 83 times during August 2002" on Abu Zubaydah, the first senior Al Qaeda figure captured by the agency. Waterboarding was then employed "183 times during March 2003" on Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The inspector general also voiced alarm over how much water was being used. Rather than dripping liquid from a canteen, as the 2002 memo envisioned, CIA interrogators "applied large volumes of water," raising questions about whether the method "was either efficacious or medically safe."

Because of such documented discrepancies, Justice Department officials and legal experts regard the waterboarding abuses as cases that hold the most promise for prosecution.

Even so, the cases are hampered by legal and logistical complications.

The U.S. anti-torture statute requires proving that an interrogator "specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering" -- a daunting legal threshold.

Officials said it wasn't clear that any CIA interrogators were ever informed of the limits laid out in the Justice Department memo.

"A number of people could say honestly, correctly, 'I didn't know what was in it,' " said a former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the inner workings of the interrogation program.

The CIA report also cites cases in which interrogators engaged in potentially illegal improvisations. One interrogator brandished a gun, former CIA officials said. Other prisoners were reportedly threatened with bodily harm, including being buried alive.

Agency spokesman Paul Gimigliano said that the CIA cooperated extensively in "referring actions for potential prosecution, and in dealing with career prosecutors who decided if and when specific cases would be pursued in court."

To date, only one case has been. In 2007, a CIA paramilitary contractor, David A. Passaro, was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted of using a flashlight to beat an Afghan detainee who later died.

In addition to the sweeping 2004 document, former CIA Inspector General John L. Helgerson, who recently retired, also produced a dozen or more follow-up reports that could motivate the Justice Department investigation.

Among them are examinations of other cases that involved prisoners' deaths while in agency custody.

In 2002, an Afghan prisoner died of hypothermia after being stripped, doused with water and left overnight in a frigid CIA lockup near Kabul, the Afghan capital.

One CIA officer faced internal sanctions over the episode, but the undercover operative in charge of the facility was later promoted to chief of station in Baghdad, former CIA officials said.

A year later, an Iraqi prisoner died of asphyxiation after being captured in a raid by Navy SEALS and then having his arms chained behind his back in a CIA interrogation cell at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad.

The leader of the SEAL team was later acquitted of criminal charges. The CIA interrogator, Mark Swanner, has not faced prosecution.

The two cases are believed to have been among 19 examined by a Justice Department task force set up in Alexandria, Va., in 2004 to investigate possible CIA abuses. The panel did not investigate the use of waterboarding.

Former Justice officials familiar with the effort said that 17 of the cases were rejected by mid-2006. It is not clear what became of the other two. Official cited a host of problems, including difficulty locating witnesses and identifying documents -- such as clinical examinations or autopsies -- that could withstand scrutiny in federal court.

"We wanted to make these cases," said a former Justice official familiar with the matter. "We looked at them as hard as we could, and they just weren't there.

"They weren't there because of the way they were investigated, because of the facts, because of the lack of witnesses and evidence."

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More nonsense from the crap that is the Obimbo Shaministration. Hey Eric, before you investigate whether some head-chopping terrorist was mistreated, how about investigating your criminal participation in the Marc Rich pardon?


That is our system. No man or Office is above the law. Let the heads roll, if there is significant evidence that wrong-doing occurred. I hope Attorney General Holder will not stop with the CIA, but other agencies and individuals. There is a lot of explaining to be done, by the most derelict of administrations, in modern times: the Bush&Cheney Regimes !! Wall Street must be scrutinized with a microscope, we don't want any of those bugs to escape to Main Street and perpetrate some more scams !! Good luck, General Holder and good hunting. We need to find the scoundrels and prosecute them. That's just good, plain old-fashion, American justice.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.


Too little too late may well be the verdict on Holder.

There is WAY more than interrogations to investigate.

Extend the criminal statute of limitations, Congress.


So Holder is hot to discredit the CIA and jail American agents while he gives walking papers to the two Black Panthers who blocked white voters with clubs. Racism by any other name is racism. We now have an Injustice Department along with Health Care Deform. Surpise?


Go ahead and have your war crimes trials. We'll see if you can find a jury that thinks like you, that coddling dangerous terrorists bent on killing their families is more important than protecting the country.
This will be a good template for the investigations in 2012 on how we let Obama destroy the economy.


Do these pathetic a--holes care that they will destroy the CIA's ability to do its job? Or is this a reason for doing this? Eric Holder will go down in history as the most political AG in America's history. The main purpose of this is the democRats overriding desire to appease the freak wing of thier party by going after anything Bush related they can. The only thing lower than these scumbags are the scumbags in the media who do their bidding for them every day in story after story,in the papers and the TV news hatchet jobs.


With the country already reeling internally, the last thing we need right now is a CIA investigation. But then, when has obama shown for even a moment that he knows what is best for this country?!?


Great, bring it on Mr Holder- you obsequious partisan toady.

Obama really kicked an ant hill with his ill-advised and politically motivated release of Bush Administration memos regarding EITs. Surely he regrets it, but like when Pelosi is caught lying... he'll just double-down with an investigation of the CIA now.

But Obama, Pelosi, and Holder seem to have forgot something: the CIA KILLS people… it’s in their job description.

Did these two really think that these killers were going to just meekly take-one-for-the-team… when the team captain is a lying, incompetent, arrogant nebbish who has basically told them they need to kiss his ring? -please

So, let’s have a hearing and get it all out there, shall we? Then just watch the rats scatter who attacked George W Bush for protecting the country from terrorist attack… but who clearly knew what was going on five years before we heard a peep out of them-

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You've got to be kidding me? Just what we need now an additional 40-60 million dollar investigation. This is just another diversion of the Obama administration to take your eye off of what's really going on.


Millions of patriotic citizens are so happy to hear about Holder's decision. Hopefully, it will lead to solid proof enough to indict some key leaders, like Dick Cheney.


Can you say distraction? Can you think of another way the Obamanista's can rally the liberal base? This is right out of the left-wingnut "how to distract from your failure to get anything accomplished" manual.
Since they are losing support from the liberal and conservative groups of the Democratic Party, they have to do something. Here it is.


Holder envisioned an inquiry that would be narrow in scope, focusing on "whether people went beyond the techniques that were authorized" in Bush Administration memos...

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So assume the Bush Administration techniques were legal, but investigate to see if any individual operatives went beyond that? Not quite the red meat (tofu?), I think liberals were looking for.


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Posted by: theidel | August 9, 2009 2:02 PM
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Funny. That’s what I was thinking too. We heard earlier that there would be no criminal investigations. The left let out a collective, “Awwww.” Now that the administration is under siege, they are looking to do something popular in the eyes of its base.
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Mind you: I have no problem seeing the government hunt down criminals. But this time it’s going to come at a cost. This effort is going to polarize an already over-polarized country, and many will disbelieve the government’s bona fides.


It figures. Our country was attacked and now those who were instrumental in keeping us safe are doomed to persecution. Makes no sense to NORMAL Americans but oh the libs...

Why don't they investigate the Black Panthers for voter intimidation. Wait...they are black and get a pass for breaking the law. It infuriates me that the case against them has been dropped by the Justice Department. This will breed more contempt for this administration by NORMAL Americans!! I thought BHO was to be the great and powerful uniter...sounds to me he's more like the wizard behind the curtain who is constantly telling us to pay no attention to what is behind that curtain!! Don't even get me started on the promised transparency and openness of his administration.

If we NORMAL Americans let this one get by then we can look forward to another hit from those poor, poor Muslims whose goal is to destroy America, its people and our culture.


HOLDER HAS NOT PROVED TO BE THE SHARPEST CRAYOLA IN THE BOX THUS FAR.... JUST MORE ANTI-AMERICAN B.S.! WHEN YOU GOT FRIENDS LIKE THIS WHO NEEDS ENEMIES AND WE DO HAVE LOTS OF THEM!


"Obimbo Shaministration"

Very clever John D. (yawn) Worked all weekend on that one, eh?
Ever hear of the rule of law?


I'm for whatever kept us free and safe, that includes keeping these war criminals at Gitmo and bringing them to trial after the shooting is done. Just like they did after WWII. They should have military trials, heard by a military court with military attorneys. So, Mr. Holder, beware of the ground you may be breaking, it just might come back to bite you in the ass.


Geographically Stupid Little Johnnie D, "the Joseph Stalin of Streamwood", if you have PROOF that some "head-chopping terrorist" is in Guantanamo Bay, then please give it to the Justice Department since they don't have it!


BC, the last thing I want to do is get between whatever weird...thing is going on between you and John D., but isn't KSM at Gitmo?


You,ve been OPRAHED* How does it feel?


*Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Acorn, Hoyer, Emanuel, Durbin (OPRAHED)


'But then, when has obama shown for even a moment that he knows what is best for this country?!?'

First of all, he knew it was best to beat McCain/Palin.

Then, he knew how to rescue the largest economic failure in world history.

Then, he showed us how to act intelligently and diplomatically towards world leaders.

Happening to be "black" has not hurt the country either...

Obama is a hero who saved our country, and whoever cannot see that has their head in the sand.


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