Lieberman: Obama should scale back

"We should think about putting that off until the economy is out of the recession."

Liar Joe, the prototypical DINO.
The measures proposed won't even begin to take effect for two years, or so, and then slow incremental steps to follow. We will be out of recession by that time.

Lieberman should scale totally back and get out of politics. {right along with Palin}..These two have nothing to contribute!!!

Health care reform bills are over 1000 pages written by lawyers and promoted by a law professor. Not one sentence addressing medical tort reform. How about a 30% profits tax on all malpractice settlements? The revenue would go far in paying for reforms but you will never see a cabal of lawyers propose a tax they would have to pay. They prefer to tax the rich, the companies that employ people, the small businessman, the middle class and the senior citizens. They will never propose a tax that would be paid out of lawyer’s profits. That is why the whole issue is a gimmick and a sham promoted by a gang of self serving dolts called Congress.

Quoted words by Democrats in the above article: 96.

Quoted words by Republicans: 2

Further proof President Obama's media supporters don't want any "debate" on ObamaCare at all. Because a "debate" requires you give equal time to both sides.

Who cares what this Joe thinks? He's as relevant as Joe the Plumber and G.I. Joe (the toy). Does anyone really pay any attention to him anymore? Does anyone really care? About Joe?

"Great changes in our country often have come in steps" - Joe wants to do this like boiling a frog, just do it gradually and the public will never know their freedoms have been taken away.

Just what the country needs to add onto the its $9,000,000,000,000 deficit

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE57K4XE20090821

CM,

The tax incraeses to pay for this start in 2011 and the actual expenditures don't start until 2013. The only way the dems could get this to be revenue neutral was to have more years of increased taxation than expenditures.

Anyway, what is the rush to get this passed if none of the bill goes into effect untuil 2011?

Before obama tries to do more damage to this country....the American people should be able to see his real birth certificate, his college records and his medical records.

Paulo

C Morris, exactly how is Lierberman a liar?

Anyway, the public DOES NOT WANT the public option. Americans DO NOT want the government to control health care and 1/6th of the U.S economy. Public health care is IMPLODING in Canada, this according to the Canadian Medical Association (something the Swamp "conveniently" has overlooked). Public health care in Europe IS NOT working.
The politicians who do vote for ObamaCare do so at their own peril!

Obama won't scale back unless Axelrod tells him and that won't happen.

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Posted by: C.Morris✧ | August 23, 2009 11:43 AM
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What’s your beef, Morris? You don’t favor Obama’s plan anyway. You favor a single payer system. Do you realize how much more expensive it would be to implement Obamacare only to dismantle it for something else? You would do better to oppose Obamacare in its current form and hold out for a single payer system - if that’s what you really want. As such, you should have no beef with Joe Lieberman.

"Before obama tries to do more damage to this country....the American people should be able to see his real birth certificate, his college records and his medical records.

Paulo "

That is soooo yesterday! Just google it. Get with the new program. Technology and people changes, get use it!

JW,
We need to get the following out of this present bill (bills?) ;
1. Reforms of the private insurance industry. (They've been listed)
2. A robust public option to control item 1 above.

You are correct; I have been very critical of Obama and the Dems, and do support 'single payer'. I believe they are political cowards.

They (Dems) are negotiating with the people that will not vote for their plan under any circumstance, and indeed wish to destroy them on this very issue.

The insurance industry and the Republicans should not even be at the table. They are not negotiating in 'good faith'.

Single Payer was given up before the start. Now the Dems are offering to drop the public option in return for something called 'co-operative' insurance, but the Republicans reject this, too.

Reforms plus the robust public option I will support as plan 'b'. If not, I have some unkind words for the agents of 'change'.

Now, here is the lie;
""Morally, every one of us would like to cover every American with health insurance. ""

BS.
He, and many others including the 'Baucus Caucus' and the Republicans do not believe that one. They support the bottom lines of the private health insurance syndicate.

This is, essentially, our last chance to save ourselves from the private insurance monster. Without real reform we will all meet up in bankruptcy court.

Joe is a perfect example of a career politican who needs to shut up and go home. He talks out of both sides of his mouth and is loyal only to himself. Why should anyone care about what he thinks.

snipped:..Not one sentence addressing medical tort reform. How about a 30% profits tax on all malpractice settlements? The revenue would go far in paying for reforms but you will never see a cabal of lawyers propose a tax they would have to pay. They prefer to tax the rich, the companies that employ people, the small businessman, the middle class and the senior citizens. They will never propose a tax that would be paid out of lawyer’s profits. That is why the whole issue is a gimmick and a sham promoted by a gang of self serving dolts called Congress.

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2009 12:51 PM

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why are you anti healthcare useful idiots of big business interests trying to deny a person their right to seek justice through the courts?
Always thinking of your bottom line and how to escape
liability when a person is seriousely injured as a result of medical negligence by one of your policy holders, so now you will try and do what you are accusing Obama of and that's government control, only you want the government to establish the maximum l,iability for when one of your doctors amputates the wrong leg or much worse. This is not the governments job to become involved in states matters. You oppose a public option for healthcare but yet demand your own "public option" to protect your bottom line. Always looking for new ways to save and make money.

Joe must go!!!!

What the Hey! Sen. Liberman and Sen. Lugar talk about scaling back on health care until the recession is over!! They can both get their heads out of their @#%. The insurance company's and the medical profession, including the pharmaceutical's are breaking this country and sending the U.S. into a deeper hole. This country needs national health care for all!! The insurance company's are running a racket and the Senators and Representative's that are on the dole from the health insurance industry must be stopped! A public option is the only way to get the crooks out of the system! Not a co-op, a public option for all, PERIOD!! REMEMBER THE REPUBLICAN'S NEVER DO ANYTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY, THEY ONLY DO THINGS TO THIS COUNTRY!! National health care now, with or without the right wing nuts! whiteagle38

Lou...You're suuuuch a drone.

A long form birth certificate is soooo different than a certificate of live birth.

Paulo

Before obama tries to do more damage to this country....the American people should be able to see his real birth certificate, his college records and his medical records.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | August 23, 2009 1:22 PM
Paulo this wont happen Obama seems to be in favor of the more damage to this country.

How can anyone who understands the dynamics of this " debate " on Healthcare, come away thinking the electorate has been well served by the politicians against a real, affordable and efficient healthcare system reform ? Any honest observer will declare that the Healthcare Insurers have been well-served by their rampant practice of bribery, among key politicians. That allowed the key members of the opposition to President Obama's honest attempt at reforming an archaic, wasteful and callous healthcare delivery system, to orchestrate, nationally, a most vicious attack on America's freedoms, from speech, to assembly to the " general welfare " of our nation. This is what Corporate America does best, it corrupts our form of government and then proceeds to prop it up, with monies gained by gouging its " clients ', in this case, the sick, the infirm and the most neediest of Americans. It really boils down to capitalism over democracy, a hollowed out version of democracy, thanks to Corporate America. If that is what present day America wants, to be governed by the few, non-elected individuals, whose sole interest is to keep that bribe money flowing, than America, you got what you deserve. An America that is governed by the private sector, that accounts to no one, that has no feeling for the " general welfare ", other than their own. Wait until the other shoe drops and all of the pension funds collapse, America will be an even more undemocratic nation !! That shouldn't trouble the ideologues and their masters, the rich, for they will get theirs and everyone else, tough luck !
A note to the Democrats, Senators Conrad and Baucus, and ex-Senator Daschle, should not even be at the table, negotiating for our healthcare, they are paid agents of the corrupting Insurance Corps. We can't succeed with these fox in the hen house. The should be removed from the negotiating table and avoided like the plague !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

snipped:Before obama tries to do more damage to this country....the American people should be able to see his real birth certificate, his college records and his medical records.
Paulo
Posted by: Paulo | August 23, 2009 1:22 PM
Paulo this wont happen Obama seems to be in favor of the more damage to this country.

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our duly elected president promised healthcare reform and thats what will be expected:real reform with a public option. The only people opposed to this are those with good coverage in place and/or
those profiting from the current *arrangement* of denying claims and cherry-picking the
applicants. I guess the rest of the 50+ million Americans can sacrifice themselves for the CEO's and their birther and deather idiots.

Paulo,

Put up or shut up.

Post John McCain's birth certificate and transcript of his grades and Forestal records or shut up.

Hear that Uinsured Americans., Joe Lieberman thinks your health should be sacrificed for the good of the economy. Joe thinks we need to ration healthcare, and you are the ones who should be forced to do without. Joe has shown his true colors, and has shown he has the same vision of health care "reform" as Republicans like Gov. Schwarzenegger: rationing healthcare based on wealth, denying aid to the poor to get access to decent healthcare, including children. Don't be fooled. None of them care for a minute about what happens to the unisured. They don't care for a minute about the millions of americans who suffer because they don't have access to quality healthcare. No, their priorities are clear: Making the rich richer at any cost, even letting children die beacuse their parents can't afford health insuranec. That is the heart of the opposition to the proposed healthcare reform, greed and class warfare.

Joe Liberman and all the others who think that we should wait on health insurance for all should give up their health insurance until something is passed covering all people. He can always go to an emergency room in the meantime.

"The civil rights movement occured in steps."

Yeah, right. I remember when they told black people, "Okay, we'll let you sit at our lunch counters, but you're going to have to wait another twenty years or so to get to vote. Oh, and stay out of our bathrooms too."

"The civil rights movement occured in steps."

Well, I am certainly glad he admits the two have the same moral imperative.

Mr. Caird seems to be a professional dissembler of some sort.

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/rickcaird

http://seekingalpha.com/user/102108/comment/556828

http://www.qando.net/?p=3867


http://www.qando.net/?p=3517


http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/7587.html

Beezat,

What's the rush on this? It won't take effect until 2013.

Don't you think the $9,000,000,000,000 ten-year deficit is more pressing?

Ed Slowsky better watch it, Lieberman is going to put him out of a job...

A public option is absolutely needed. The health insurance industry is already slobbering over the massive profits they will reap if reform is passed without one.

Not to mention that Liebermann's healthcare plan is, you guessed it, a PUBLIC plan - funded by our taxpayer dollars. Anyone who wants the legislature's plan is voting for the public option.

Don't you think the $9,000,000,000,000 ten-year deficit is more pressing?

Posted by: Terry | August 24, 2009 1:44 PM

Yes Terry, I agree. People's lives are far less important than the deficit. Like you., I am perfectly willing to tell 45 million americans that they can't have access to quality healthcare to save money. In fact, I think we need to get even more people without health insurance to save even more. I think we need to set a national goal of having 100 million americans without health insurance and access to quality health care. In fact, until we have no defict I htink we need to suspend all government spending on helathcare. Kick the sick poor kids out of the hospital! End Medicare and Medicaid now! Do it now. The deficit demands it! The deficit is far far more important than people's lives. (Well except for Terry nand I, our health is important. We're special).

Quoted words by Democrats in the above article: 96.

Quoted words by Republicans: 2

Further proof President Obama's media supporters don't want any "debate" on ObamaCare at all. Because a "debate" requires you give equal time to both sides.

Posted by: Bruce | August 23, 2009 1:01 PM


WHO is it exactly who's against the Fairness Doctrine, which was put in place to provide honest, equitable and balanced coverage of issues?

reamer,
His google profile seems to fit the professional prevaricator category. We get trolls sent in from crazytown links on occasion. Caird seems to be one of these. Nobody but a full timer has the time to post in so many sites so often.
He can't possibly have another job.

Another compasionate,

45 million? Let's take 18 million off of that since 9 million are illegal aliens and another 9 million make more than $75K per year, so they could afford some insurance if they chose.

These folks do have access to health care, They don't have health insurances. Get your terms straight if you want to participate.

Keep the deficit growing and even the Chinese won't buy oour debt anymore. Do want to know what the implications to our economy that would be? Do you want to see what this country could not afford? Keep the deficits growing and you will see 100 million people w/o insurance

Keep the deficits growing and you will see 100 million people w/o insurance

Posted by: Terry | August 24, 2009 7:03 PM

Fantastic! As long as we aren't one of the ones who has to do without, who really cares how many don't have access to quality healthcare? And let's be real Terry, in this great capitalist free market system we have no insurance means no access. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Terry and I don't like having poor people around when we go to the doctor anyway. Elite, special people like Terry and I shouldn't have to see the poor, let alone share a waiting room with them. We'll just watch through the window as they drop dead outside the hospital and beam with pride at how we've helped the deficit by sacrificing their lives. As Terry says, millions of people's (really, should they even be considered people? If they had value like Terry and I, maybe, but the poor? worthless!) lives are really of no importance as compared to the deficit. 27 million, 100 million, whatever it takes to keep our taxes low!

Another compassionless,

Your solution is to tax the job creators in order to redistribute more wealth. Pretty soon there will be no more wealth to redistribute. Everyone will be sitting on the wagon and no one will be pulling it. It will be a flatliners dream. We will all be equal in the gutter. I wonder how long the Chinese will finance that.

Your solution is to tax the job creators in order to redistribute more wealth. Pretty soon there will be no more wealth to redistribute. Everyone will be sitting on the wagon and no one will be pulling it. It will be a flatliners dream. We will all be equal in the gutter. I wonder how long the Chinese will finance that.

Posted by: Terry | August 24, 2009 10:45 PM
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God forbid should you discover what it's like to be sick and without healthcare coverage and sitting in a waiting room with legions of poor folks waiting your turn.. OOPS maybe not such a bad idea after all. Perhaps you may learn compassion and understanding that being poor or underemployed and without medical care is not a contagious disease called *loserswhoselivesmeanzilch*
and that maybe, just maybe healthcare is a civil right..but I doubt it. As long as you think some are better than others and you don't find yourself on the flip side of the coin, everything is fine the way it is.

Heck No Terry, I agree that you and I should be taxed far less. Like you, I am willing to sacrifice the health of tens of millions to save a few bucks on taxes. Like you, I care only about my bottom line. Like you, I never consider anything other than my own personal financial gain. We are Republicans after all, that's the core of out political belief, Greed is good. Every man, woman and child for themselves! Terry wouldn't it be great if we could get a great man Like Gov. Schwarzenegger into the White House so that we could eliminate all healthcare aid for poor children, like he tried to in California? Wouldn't that be just the greatest thing ever! Think about the tax cut we could get, and all those millions of dying children. It just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy thinking about it, doesn't it? We'd have more money, and more of the worthless, valueless, unimportant poor would be dead. It's the Republican dream!

snipped: I am willing to sacrifice the health of tens of millions to save a few bucks on taxes. Like you, I care only about my bottom line. Like you, I never consider anything other than my own personal financial gain. We are Republicans after all, that's the core of out political belief, Greed is good. Every man, woman and child for themselves!
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these repukes actually believe that bad things or misfortune happens to people who somehow deserve it and furthermore,as a society,we need to extract these useless eaters from the rest of *us* so there will be for for the special people, like themselves and denying medical care is one good way to accompish exactly this. Here likes the dilemma: those " useless eaters" were likely once productive members of society until misfortune visited them in the form of illness or job loss and loss of medical coverage. They became valueless in the eyes of these elitists-special people. Never mind that the elitist-special people likely got their own money the old-fashioned way, they inherited it or ripped a few people along their way to financial freedom.
They have good medical coverage and thats what counts and those without insurance do not matter to them one bit because losers lose and thats how they see it.

Wrong,

Please show me where healthcare is a civil right? If you want gov't to provide health care for all, then why not have gov't provide housing for all, food for all, transportation for all, etc... We have seen where the gov't and the private sector compete head-to-head and the private sector wins - see education for starters.

As far as being without a job that provides me with health insurance, I would purchase mine with savings until I found a job that provided me with benefits. You see, I, unlike you, made myself a desirable employable commodity. therefore, my services are in demand.

Compassionless,

I don't think our taxes alone would pay for the health care of tens of millions. I make a nice salary and bonus, but its not that good. Go ahead and keep taxing the job creators and see what happens to the e3conomy. If there is no incentive to make money, then there is no incentive to take risk and create jobs. Jobs are good for everyone, but go ahead and tax those that succeed - there are plenty of places that will be glad to take these entraprenuers. You keep thinking that gov't is the answer to all of your problems.

Terry , we agree. I don't care about the people without health insurance any more than you do. Let them rot. We just need to make sure that you and I keep every dime we can.We both know that the suffering of one (us) is a tragedy, the suffering of millions is a statistic. The at is the moral code that gudes both of our lives. I. like you, not only don't want the government to help anyone, I simply don't care if the poor get helped, or if they just die on the side of the road. Like you, I'll only notice the suffering of the poor if one of them keels over in the entrance to my gated community and it blocks my Caddy from getting out. I know that as the "job creators" you and I are a true elite, miles above the great unwashed, unimportant, uninsured masses. We matter. They don't. We're saying the exact same things. We both know that compassion is for chumps, and that only one things matters in life: the bottom line.