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Who cares, everyone knows Drudge is a bought and paid for propaganda mouthpiece for the Repuglican party.

Healthcare Industrial Complex Sponsored Wingnut Teabaggers Are Trying To Shout Down Health Care Reform At Town Halls

Wingnut teabaggers and other opponents of health care reform fro the middle-class and the poor are heckling members of Congress at their town hall meetings back home in an effort to sway the debate and drown out reform supporters.
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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/teabaggers-try-to-shout-down-health-care-reform-at-town-halls.php

Obama has been saying overtly for years that he favors a "single payer, universal healthcare system." Why is it wrong to remind people of that now that he's denying those statements?

Dissent is patriotic.

Drudge is a Wingnut Tool, period, end of story.

You know the opponents of health-care reform for poor and middle-class Americans -- which obviously includes nearly every talking head who appears on Faux News and Drudge -- are getting desperate when they start trying to scare elderly people by suggesting that President Obama's health-care plans will mean euthanization for old folks when they get hurt.

That's what the lunatic fringe crew at Faux & Friends did recently, led by "Faux News legal analyst" Peter Johnson Jr., and aided and abetted by Wingnut mouthbreathers Brian Kilmeade and Gretchen Carlson.
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http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/07/fox-friends-crew-frighten-elderly.html

The Healthcare Corporations are spreading a lot of our money, from our premiums, around, buying all the propaganda they will need to confuse, befuddle and mislead America about President Obama's healthcare reforms. The very disturbing fact, in all of this lying to America by these Healthcare Corporation, is that they will claim all of this propaganda as a " tax write-off ", a business expense. We must demand of our Congresswomen and Congressmen that these Corporations must not be allowed to write-off their lying. It must come from their supersized profits, that they are grabbing from the sick and dying hands of their clients. No more tax write-offs for the Healthcare Corporations for deceiving America.
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Stories like this infer and promulgate the total fallacy that if you support any form of single payer or a public option to compete with private insurance plans your some far out nut bar radical.

Hey people Medicare is a "public option" wake up and smell the freaking coffee. Plans like the Medicare and the VA system deliver less expensive better quality treatment in most all cases.

Don't be fooled by health insurance and medical industry lies that they hope will only maintain the broken status quo and mean bigger profits and rip off for them.

The Dems need to start cracking down on the fake healthcare protesters at their Healthcare Townhalls.

They need to make sure that there is maximum security at these events and the hired nutjobs who are shouting and purposely causing problems need to be warned once and then busted for disorderly conduct if they contune to act out.

I'm guessing the Healthcare Industrial Complex would start having problems finding low-life Republican dittoheads to do their dirty work if these people have to start bailing themselves out of jail every couple of days.

Gee Hulk, your proposal sounds a little Stalinist to me.

How come when left-wing rent-a-mobs protest it gets covered as a "grassroots" demonstration, but when regular hard-working Americans finally get pushed to the point of becoming politically active, they call it "Astroturf"?

News flash for you lefties out there --- the anger that you're seeing at these townhalls is as genuine as it gets. The people who pay the bills in this country are sharpening their pitchforks and breaking out the tar and feathers. So keep on pushing and see what happens...

Gee Hulk, your proposal sounds a little Stalinist to me.
Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 3:31 PM
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Teresa,
Purposely disrupting and shouting down people who are holding an open meeting is the very definintion of Disorderly Conduct.

Better bring your Two Hundred Dollars in Bail Cash the next time you go to work disrupting a Healthcare Townhall for the Healthcare Industrial Complex, we wouldn't want you to have to spend the night in jail now, would we Teresa?

Here's how we keep the hired Republican whackjobs, who are working for the Big Health Insurance Industry, from purposely disrupting Healthcare Townhall meetings from now on.....

Park a big Black Helicopter out front and have FEMA and ACORN information tables set up all over the place.

That'll scare 'em off. :)

Hulk, great plan. What you need is some brown shirts. Providing "security" while their infallible leader spoke was their specialty.

As for Obama, I think he favors single payer. Why liberals think that is a bad thing for Drudge to point out, I don't know. What liberals should think is a bad thing is that BO lacks the courage of his convictions to publicly advocate for a single payer system, and instead supports whatever half-assed measure is currently struggling through committee.

How dare Drudge post Obama's words, without Obama's approval!

Doesn't Drudge know that the task of the Obama-era media isn't to report the facts, but instead to make our Fearless Leader look good?

"we wouldn't want you to have to spend the night in jail now"

Come now, Kathy. I thought civil disobedience was commendably patriotic.

Oops, I forgot, that's only true when lefties do it. My bad.

By the way, I'm not Teresa. That would require a sex change, and that's not my gig. Cheers.

Hulk, great plan. What you need is some brown shirts. Providing "security" while their infallible leader spoke was their specialty.
Posted by: Herbie H. | August 4, 2009 4:11 PM
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You're confused again Peachs and Herbie....

What the Healthcare Industrial Complex is doing by PAYING hired Republican thugs to disrupt and cause intentional confusion at Healthcare Meetings is the very definition of being a Brownshirt.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

By the way, I'm not Teresa. That would require a sex change, and that's not my gig. Cheers.

Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 4:27 PM
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Nice try Teresa,

I can pick out your posts with ease, all the time.

It's the same bs over and over again, usually with an anti-Obama slogan as the post name.

You're a typical spineless Repug...

Herbie wrote: "BO lacks the courage of his convictions to publicly advocate for a single payer system..."

I don't think it's a lack of audacity (I can't bring myself to use the word "courage" to describe this yahoo). I think it's Obama's recognition that a single payer regime wouldn't stand a snowball's chance of passing if he was honest about his agenda. What we're seeing at these townhalls is precisely the reason he feels the need to use deception and propaganda to make it happen.

"How dare Drudge post Obama's words, without Obama's approval!
Doesn't Drudge know that the task of the Obama-era media isn't to report the facts."

Including the words "Drudge" and "facts" in the same post is oxymoronic. Better yet, remove "oxy" and leave the rest.

If the HealthcareCare Insurance Industry had a good argument to make they wouldn't have to hire fearmongering Republican minions to show up at Healthcare Townhalls and purposely disrupt the meetings.

Republican poilititions are lock, stock and barrel in the back pocket of the Healthacre lobby and they should be treated as such - ignored. They're in favor of the status quo when it comes to the Health insurers ripping off people with insanely high premiums and dropping you when they aren't making money off of you anymore.

Come now, Kathy. I thought civil disobedience was commendably patriotic.

Oops, I forgot, that's only true when lefties do it. My bad.
Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 4:27 PM
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There's a big difference between civil disobedience and disorderly conduct.

What you clowns who support the Healthcare lobby are doing is not patriotic (I know how much Repugs like to wrap their thuggery in a flag), it's a crime and it should be (and hopefully will be from now on) treated as such.

How dare Drudge post Obama's words, without Obama's approval!

Doesn't Drudge know that the task of the Obama-era media isn't to report the facts, but instead to make our Fearless Leader look good?

Posted by: Change in 2012 | August 4, 2009 4:15 PM
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Nice try, Teresa!

Drudge is nothing but a Right-Wing Tool!

Republican Congressman who oppose universal health insurance should immediately relinquish their tax payer funded federal healthcare insurance. After all, these members of Congress have long enjoyed taxpayer-subsidized health insurance, a privilege that they apparently believe tens of millions of working, uninsured Americans and their families don't deserve.

If Republicans don't think being uninsured is a big deal, then they should go right ahead and try it out. And if they really believe a public plan is such a bad option, maybe they can persuade their parents to give up Medicare too.

The fake angry mobs, sent out by local Republican and Libertarian parties and hired by the Big Health Insurance Industry don't come out just to be heard at Healthcare Townhall meetings, but to deny others the right to be heard. It's a coordinated, nationwide effort funded by right-wing health insurance lobbyists to deny healthcare coverage for poor and middle-class Americans.

What could be more appropriate for the "Party of No" than having its stalwarts drowning out the voices of their neighbors by screaming "just say no!"

All the Republican's have left to defeat meaningful health care reform is intimidation, fearmongering, thuggery and noise.

News flash for you lefties out there --- the anger that you're seeing at these townhalls is as genuine as it gets. The people who pay the bills in this country are sharpening their pitchforks and breaking out the tar and feathers. So keep on pushing and see what happens...

Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 3:31 PM
Oooooh, a threat! The conservatives are going to riot. I'm so scared! Go ahead, get violent. You'll be crushed and discredit the conservative movement for decades.

"There's a big difference between civil disobedience and disorderly conduct."

Maybe a little one. On the one hand we have the civil disobedience types, who are usually knowingly violating the law.

Conversely, the people at these townhalls are exercising their First Amendment right to have their voices heard by their PUBLIC SERVANTS who work for us and not the other way around -- as the D.C. conventional wisdom would have us believe. Admittedly their volume is higher than usual and some tempers are flaring, but I think that's a small vice indeed considering that Obama and his toadies are trying to turn us all into little drudges of the socialist nanny state.

As I said above, those of us who pay the freight in this country are sharpening the pitchforks and stocking up on tar and feathers. If the left-wing nutjobs in D.C. don't wake the [bleep] up and back the [bleep] down, they're going to have a lot more to worry about than some noisy townhall meetings.

"News flash for you lefties out there --- the anger that you're seeing at these townhalls is as genuine as it gets."Posted by: The guy who hides

Right. As genuine as a script and a few practices and rehearsals (and maybe some insurance lobbyist dollars) can make them. U betcha.

Who said anything about rioting? The Second Amendment exists for a reason. Well, several reasons, actually, but first and foremost as a check against tyrannical government. Look over your shoulder, lefties, Big Brother is closing in fast. But of course you're idiotic enough to think that's a good thing.

We need to start Comparing attendance lists for all these healthcare townhall meetings. The lists will overlap with the same people and you'll soon see what a piddling minority these ranting Republican obstructionist losers are and at the same time it will pinpoint and expose which Big Health Insurance lobby is organizing and paying for it.

What is incredibly disturbing about this situation is that anyone who speaks out against Obamacare - or anything PrObama - is considered part of a mob mentality that should be immediately squashed.

Do we live in China or something?

EVERYONE - conservative, liberal, libertarian, blue, black, yellow, brown - gets to speak their minds and share facts on issues.

This effort by Democrats to silence anyone who opposes this president is frightening. George Orwell created the roadmap they are following.

Next year, I pray conservatives and those who know better, but voted for Obama, anyway, get out and vote for people who will stick up for individual rights and stop this movement toward a socialist society. Our nation is too precious to let slide into that territory.

My caveat: I don't have insurance. I don't want it. I don't want to be fined for not having it. I also don't want my tax dollars funding abortion.

Sorry, Abbie H.,
I meant Terri. the Trickle

Obama is showing more and more dictatorship trying to muzzle everything against him.

Hey Wingnut Teabaggers!

Better bring some cash to bail yourself out of the jail next time you purposely disrupt peaceful healthcare townhall meetings.

I know how much the Wingnuts love Law & Order....until it applies to them, then they hide behind the flag and chant garbage like "Dissent is Patriotic".

As I said above, those of us who pay the freight in this country are sharpening the pitchforks and stocking up on tar and feathers. If the left-wing nutjobs in D.C. don't wake the [bleep] up and back the [bleep] down, they're going to have a lot more to worry about than some
Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 5:32 PM
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Teresa,

Apparently you slept through all of those anti-Iraq war protester from the left who were being arrested everyday the last eight years during the Bush and Cheney reign of terror.

What you're supporting is an Astroturf Corporate Healthcare Sponsored disorderly conduct, it's not grass roots, you are not a majority and you are not fooling anyone...but yourself.

Try again, you Corporate Sponsored Liar.

Better bring some cash to bailout the Federal Government too while you're at it.

"Though President Obama and Democratic leaders have repeatedly pledged to alter the soaring trajectory -- or cost curve -- of federal health spending, the proposals so far would not meet that goal, Elmendorf said, noting, "The curve is being raised." His remarks suggested that rather than averting a looming fiscal crisis, the measures could make the nation's bleak budget outlook even worse." - Douglas Elmendort, Director of the CBO.

As I said above, those of us who pay the freight in this country are sharpening the pitchforks and stocking up on tar and feathers. If the left-wing nutjobs in D.C. don't wake the [bleep] up and back the [bleep] down, they're going to have a lot more to worry about than some noisy townhall meetings.

Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 4, 2009 5:32 PM
Yes you made your treasonous intent clear the first time. Will you take the "Support the troops" sticker off your car before you start shooting at the troops during your revolution? I'm sure that North Koreans and Iranians will be very willing to support you in your attempt to destroy america, traitor. Bin Ladin will cheer while you do his work for him, And true americans will band together to crush you completely.

Nice to see you all refraining from crude name calling to solve the problems. Is the drudge video a put up job? Solution - air the words of Obama in their entirety so that people can decide for themselves the context. Comparing attendance lists is a good idea. That way you'll know who has enough money left after paying for health care to run all over the place for town hall meetings. Thinking people are scared of anything they haven't had time to digest and understand. And haven't we had enough over the last few years of government and unintended consequences with the economic crises. Why the rush to pass this legislation if it so obviously brings out the "best" in the voters? Besides, last time I looked, the doctors take all your money and you die anyway. Anybody got a solution for that?

so all of this is lies???? http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/default.asp?mode=public
i do not think so......paid thugs??? are we talking Moveon.org or Acorn??? bunch of welfare recipients complaining about AIG???

The Republican party doesn't stand for anything nowadays, all they are is obstructionists, haters and corporate profiteers. Which naturally means, they're against healthcare for poor and middle-class Americans AND Democrats, period, end of story. That's all they've got.

Remember, the Repugs had plenty of time worth of "majority" to reform healthcare and they couldn't be bothered. They were busy flying billions of dollars of cash in PALLETS to IRAQ to just disapear.....to the pockets of Dick Cheney and his Halliburton cronies.

But NOW they're worried about fiscal responsibility?!?!

Idiots.....and they wonder why they can't win elections anymore? Geeze!

The 'innovative' idea of a 'pay for value / outcome' pack came after the CBO had previously pointed out this health care reform wouldn't work without 'fundamental' change in the out of date system. It is said that as much as 30 percent of all health-care spending in the U.S. -some $700 billion a year- may be wasted on tests and treatments that do not improve the health of the recipients, and this 700 billion dollars a year can cover a lot of uninsured people.

The expected Benefits of this 'innovative idea' are as follows ;

1. Meet the objective of revenue-neutral.
Supporters of the agreement say it could save the Medicare System more than $100 billion a year and 'improve'
care, that means more than $1trillian over next decade, and virtually needs no other resources including tax on the
wealthiest. Supposedly even the 'conservative' number of such savings might be able to meet the objective of
revenue-neutral.

2. Quality and affordability.
If you are a physician, and your pay is dependant upon your patient's outcome, you will most likely strive to
prescribe the best medicine earlier in the process, let alone skipping the wasteful, unnecessary treatments.

3. No intervention in decision-making.
The innovative idea of 'a pay for outcome' will more likely prompt team approach and decision, as at Myo clinic.
Under the 'pay for outcome' pack, for good reason, best practices as 'recommendations' would simply help them
make a better decision, and the government won't still have to meddle in the final, actual decision-making
process as a non-expert.

4. Speed up the introduction of IT SYSTEM.
The pay for 'Outcome' pack is most likely to expedite the introduction of Health Care IT SYSTEM.
The synergy effect of the combined Health Care IT & a pay for 'outcome' system may allow the clinicians to
'correctly' diagnose and effectively treat a patient earlier in the process so that it can measurably scale back the
crushing lawsuits and deter the excuse for unnecessary cares to make fortunes.

5. Accelerate the progress in medical science, in return, it saves more money.

6. Settle the regional disparity.

7. Reduce the emergency room visits & save immense costs.
Public health insurance plans such as Medicare and Medicaid paid for more than 40 percent of U.S. emergency
room visits in 2006, according to government figures released recently. Many experts say reducing these hospital
visits would be an important way to lower the enormous, and growing, expense of U.S. health care.

Thank You !

"What you're supporting is an Astroturf Corporate Healthcare Sponsored disorderly conduct, it's not grass roots, you are not a majority and you are not fooling anyone...but yourself."

Keep telling yourself that. You lefties are in for a major rude awakening next fall. It'll be 1994 all over again.

A so-called Patriot wrote: "Yes you made your treasonous intent clear the first time."

Treason? What do you know of treason, you mindless chimp? I wore the uniform for eight years protecting your skinny a$$ and your right to shoot off your ignorant uninformed mouth. The treason resides in Obama and in every left-wing Congressman who has forsaken his constitutional oath in favor of an anti-American, Eurosocialist, neo-Soviet, Orwellian agenda which, by the way, they have no constitutional authority to legislate. I'm still searching the Constitution to find any reference to "Cash for Clunkers," but nothing so far.

You might want to brush up on your American history. The first Revolution was fought over far less egregious affronts than what we're being expected to tolerate today -- and our Framers were also branded as traitors by those other idiots who were on the wrong side of the debate. Read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and you see that he was infinitely more suspicious of an overbearing federal government than of free citizens acting in defense of their liberties.

I think it's ironic that you lefties berate Bush for "shredding the Constitution" because of his policies with Gitmo and the warrantless wiretap program, yet you stand idly by -- no, you cheer him on -- as Obama not only shreds the Constitution, but pours on the lighter fluid, hits it with a blow torch, and then tap dances on the ashes.

You, a Patriot? Yeah, right!

Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 5, 2009 9:00 AM

'Yep Treason. That's exactly what you are talking about. Your side lost a free and fair election. You don't like what the democratically elected legislature is disssing, so you propose to overthrow the democraticlly elected government by force of arms and impose your policies by violece. That friend is treason, and it's in direct contradiction to everything this nation stands for, and the oath you took in the armed forces. You are a traitor. You are anti-american. You make a mockery of everything our armed forces are there to protect. You stab out fighting men and women in the back with your shamefull anti-democratic rhetoric. You shame the uniform you once wore.

If you don't like the policies of this democratically elected government, go to the ballot box not bullets.

You wouldn't recognize a traitor if he stood right in front of you and crammed an Orwellian socialist health-care bill down your throat. Wait, that sounds strangely familiar...

Go drink some more Kool-Aid.

Chimp.

Posted by: The guy who hides behind false names (so sayeth Don) | August 5, 2009 4:39 PM
Go surrender your passport and emigrate, traitor. This is a democracy, we don't need anti-democratic thugs like you around here. .