Obama's healthcare gap: Persistent

But, of that 51% of people who say they approve of his handling of health care -how many of those people are just unwilling to admit that they had a lapse in judgment last November and how many are just as clueless as he his is?
Or maybe he is a genius, because if things continue to slide at the current rate, then I'm going to be hoping I come down with a terminal illness just so I don't have live in the "Land of Mediocrity" which is what we are heading for.
Increasingly, it's evident that America is quickly becoming the land of "missed" opportunity rather than the inverse and this is a real shame because as bad as it is here economically, the rest of the world is getting hammered even harder. Yes, that's right, you know, the rest of the world that has universal health care already.

It is truly sad what is passing for the press in our Country. Take this piece of cow flop. It starts out by saying the "vocal few" and then in the next paragraph says, " Slightly more Americans disapprove of the president's handling of healthcare than those who approve...". Nice tie-in.

The American Citizen is awakened and understands the threat this big spending with no thought for how we are going to pay for it administration. We are now being told that the stimulus need more Viagra, quickly muted in the press until the health care take-over can be rammed through.

Where is there any cogent discussion of what is in the health care bill (all 1100 pages of it). The answer is well there are actually mutiple bills so no one can really say.

We have all seen the abuse the government has made of the Tarp and stimulus. No controls and it is basically political pay-offs for the party, Barney Franks and others being able to raid these programs because there was no thought or controls put in place.

So the American people are awake and see the amount of taxes and debt coming their way. They see the lack of debate and analysis in the government plans and are being rushed to try and jam this down the maw of the American public.

The anger at the health care town halls is the tip of the iceberg.

Another way to state the obvious: Healthcare lies persist !! With American taxpayers footing the healthcare Corporation's big assault on their customers, to confuse , confound, deceive and cajole the American public, it is an outrage. That these sleazy Corporations are able to take a business expense to lie and deceive the taxpaying public, or America, in general, is an outrage, comparable to the Bush&Cheney Regimes !! Wake up, America, the Healthcare Corporations aren't taking us to the cleaners, they're taking us to the morgue !! These Bottomliners are deciding who lives and who dies and they still take our money, whether they win or we lose !! Stop America, for a minute and think of the good, a President Obama government-sponsored option will do for every citizen in our country. Right now, we have the worst healthcare delivery system money can buy. Let us correct that fatal flaw, or more of us will be dying, because we can't afford healthcare.
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Here is an article that tries to discuss alternatives that do not require throwing the existing system on the scrap heap and forcing everyone into single payer government health care. Yes, they do not say that to your face but that is what the Democrats want.

"Empathy aside, ObamaCare is an extravagant, wasteful, overly bureaucratized answer to a quandary for which a less costly and more efficient solution that already exists. This solution is, moreover, totally capitalistic, requires minimal government funding, entails no life-or-death decisions made by faceless bureaucrats, nor will it transform the US medicine into bumbling, British-style Socialism-Lite. Though hardly a miracle panacea, it is way ahead of what is on today's Congressional menu."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/midas_muffler_not_canada_is_th.html

I don't BO gives a hoot about polls. He may make subtle adjustments in response to them but no major changes in the goal he's set before his administration: access to affordable healthcare for all while reducing costs, fraud, and coporate influence. He's well suited for this job and he has the best interests of the middle and lower economic classes at heart. But, watch the ad hominem attacks continue. So sad.

Health care reform bills are over 1000 pages written by lawyers and promoted by a law professor. Not one sentence addressing medical tort reform. How about a 30% profits tax on all malpractice settlements. The revenue would go far in paying for reforms but you will never see a cabal of lawyers propose a tax they would have to pay. They prefer to tax the rich, the companies that employ people, the small businessman, the middle class and the senior citizens.They will never propose a tax that would be paid out of lawyers profits. That is why the whole issue is a gimmick and a sham. Promoted by a gang of self serving dolts called Congress.

Instead of touting tort reform, you should be touting healthcare reform. That way, everyone benefits, instead of a select few, like Doctors, Healthcare Insurance Corporations and Hospitals. We can't say the victims of malpractice benefit, in any way, for they have probably had their health put into jeopardy, if not damaged, by incompetent and malfeasant Doctors, or Hospitals. Let the careless, the callous, or the greedy have to pay for their mistakes. How is that person going to have their leg replaced, when it was amputated by " accident " !!? Go with Healthcare reform and you will not need tort reform !!
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What the Republicans really want is to cut off all healthcare aid to the poor, including children. Most won't say that to your face, but that's what they really want. However some Republicans in California, especially Gov. Schwarzenegger showed the true Republican Agenda in their recent proposals. They proposed entirely eliminating the States program to help pay for healthcare for poor childre. Not cut, not trim, eliminate. Republicans want poor children thrown out of hospitals. They want poor children to have NO access to healthcare. That sis their goal, and they are willing to do anything to maccomplish it. The mask slipped off in California to let everyone see their ghoulish vision for the future of american healthcare: Children dying because their parents couldn't afford to take them to the hospital. That's the Republican class warfare agenda.

If Republican's hate government run healthcare so much, when are they going to propose eliminating Medicare? In fact, didn't Bush push through legislation for socialist government run healthcare for prescription drugs? The biggest increase in the Medicare program ever. Republicans are socialists. We need a new party.

What are we suppose to approve or disapprove? There really isn't a bill yet. Every time I see a Congressman or Senator asked a question they say well there are different bills in different committees, but I won't support a bill that does what you've asked about! And we know what that means. They'll be forced to compromise and vote for things they don't want...like taxpayer paid abortions, rationing for Senior Citizens and the very ill, long wait lines, huge taxes to pay for it all! I've never been so mistrustful of a President and Congress in my life!

Obama has said repeatedly over the years (on video in 2003 and in a town hall in 2007) that he wants single payer government health care.

Obama is lying now in saying he doesn't support single payer. He knows most Americans oppose a 100% government run plan.

But be certain that Obama's goal remains single payer government health care with your doctor a government bureaucrat. The 1,017 page House bill is designed to destroy your current health insurance and get you into the government plan.

Obama claims to want to save money- by spending more money. It is impossible, unless he is going to ration your care the way the European welfare states do.

And do you really have confidence in a government that can't run Cash For Clunkers, Amtrak, the Post Office or clean up after a hurricane?

Do you think putting some 330 million Americans and illegals into one brand new government run health plan is going to be done smoothly? Keep in mind these people can't even count us once every ten years in the Census without spending billions of dollars, making mistakes and generating massive controversy. Obama's promises have turned out to be empty before (unemployment under 8.0% if the Stimulus was passed with effects seen "within weeks" or his pledge to never ever sign a bill with an earmark, only to sign 9000 earmarks into law in his first budget. Are you willing to risk your healthcare on Obama's words?

Don Fitzgerald above wrote:
Another way to state the obvious: Healthcare lies persist !! With American taxpayers footing the healthcare Corporation's big assault on their customers, to confuse , confound, deceive and cajole the American public, it is an outrage.

Is anyone like me getting sick of reading trash like this from Obama shills? I mean, after doing backroom deals with insurance companies, Obama turned on them and decided to make them the "enemies." So this Fitzgerald guy (who probably works with that "fishy" Linda Douglas woman) takes the cue and writes his trash.

The American people are starting to see Obama for the liar and cheat that he is. He is trying to destroy our lives with his communism or socialism or whatever. He is trying to slip through major bills in the middle of the night with Congresspeople more interested in buying $550 million in luxury jets than in the people. Don't give me any backtalk about Republicans. Democrats provided ALL the votes for those luxury jets.

I love these new talking points - "The American Citizen is awakened!" The implication being Americans were somehow asleep at the wheel and Obama accidentially got elected in a landslide. I for one, am actually glad some of you are finally awake - apparently you were asleep the last 8 years so at least you're well rested.

The health care staged non-debates have awaken a sleepy population.

The calibrated version of what is “UN-AMERICAN “.

Democrats and Republican politicians who put party politics and policies above those of the people.

Republicans and Democrats who voted to saddle the next three generations of our children with debt, mortgaged and held by foreign countries.

The unelected voice of the news medias that report biased and slanted articles in support of only the political policies of ONE political party and fail to report all the facts.

Senators and Congress members that do not speak up against a President and Administration for breaking the privacy act. No citizen, including the President, is above the laws which he was sworn to uphold.

An Attorney General that dismisses criminal charges against thugs that were restricting voters during an election at polling stations, for political reasons, contrary to existing laws he was sworn to uphold.

Republicans and Democrats who do not pay their share of taxes yet continue to spend the people’s money as if it were their own with no accountability to anyone but themselves.

Unelected and unaccountable czars that direct and influence policies from closed door meetings and dealings with lobbyists and friends.

Party politics that have divided the country and pit brother against sister not for the best interest of the people but solely for the self serving interest of political parties.

The American people have had it with these daily and calibrated UN-American activities that go on in Washington and across the States.

I've had all I can stand of Liberal counter-arguments that (1) seniors love medicare, and (2) if Reps hate govt health care then why support medicare?

Medicare is utterly broke. There are $30T (that's trillion) in unfunded liabilities in the out-years. Seniors "love" it because it's everything for everybody and all for free. Reps don't kill it because they can't.

The LAST thing we can afford is "medicare for all".

Simple Question that should be asked for any legislation that is being pushed or has been pushed through the Federal Government:

Do the enumerated powers of Congress, as presented in Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution along with the 9th and 10th Ammendments (which limit the powers of the Federal Government), give the Federal Government the power to enact this legislation?

*I would suggest that the answer is a resounding, No.

Our President IS A TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT It wasn’t enough that he accused Doctors of removing tonsils for no reason except a fee, now he is accusing Doctors of cutting off the feet of Diabetics just for a $30,000 fee. THIS MAN IS A TOTAL EMBARRASSMENT. God bless us what have we done? This is something that goes on in Reverend Wrights church not the office of the presidency. NOW WHAT HAPPENS? I’m diabetic, I live in continuing awareness of amputation, if my Doctor ever reccomends it, am I supposed to listen to him or Obama? This man is totally insane, he has no moral footing. AND NO CLASS. What about my peace of mind if a doctor ever says I need an amputation? DO I call the whitehouse? Why does this man keep going off the deep end? It’s because we all give him a free ride. I ask you to do this country a service and ask the whitehouse not to interfere between Diabetics and their doctors. Do you really want to be a party to this? If they had nailed him on the tonsil comment he would have shutup. Now what, does this vomit continue for 4-8 years? There are 10,000,000 diabetics who should be totally pissed off. The man who says he wont interfere with your doctor patient relationship is already trashing it. How many amputees are now wondering if he is right, they cutoff their foot for money? HE IS SICK

Has the gov't run a major program yet that meets the customer needs and stays within budget? - Not even close - not Social Security, not Medicare, not medicaid, nothing.

Is anyone like me getting sick of reading trash like this from Obama shills? I mean, after doing backroom deals with insurance companies, Obama turned on them and decided to make them the "enemies." So this Fitzgerald guy (who probably works with that "fishy" Linda Douglas woman) takes the cue and writes his trash.

The American people are starting to see Obama for the liar and cheat that he is. He is trying to destroy our lives with his communism or socialism or whatever. He is trying to slip through major bills in the middle of the night with Congresspeople more interested in buying $550 million in luxury jets than in the people. Don't give me any backtalk about Republicans. Democrats provided ALL the votes for those luxury jets.

Posted by: Bill Carson | August 12, 2009 5:26 PM

Clearly, you dislike Obama and probably didn't vote for him anyway but the fact remains that Obama won because people voted for him and one reason is for health care reform. America needs health care reform despite your paranoia that it's a commie or socialist plot to provide medical services to people who cannot afford it or are getting ripped by their insurance "provider" so either you can afford good medical insurance or you are on medicaid, a socialistic program.
So which is it?
Meanwhile, Americans who voted for Obama will hold him to his promise of health care reform and the minority like you will continue to whine because you never accepted the election results in the first place.

Is anyone like me getting sick of reading trash like this from Obama shills? I mean, after doing backroom deals with insurance companies, Obama turned on them and decided to make them the "enemies." So this Fitzgerald guy (who probably works with that "fishy" Linda Douglas woman) takes the cue and writes his trash.

The American people are starting to see Obama for the liar and cheat that he is. He is trying to destroy our lives with his communism or socialism or whatever. He is trying to slip through major bills in the middle of the night with Congresspeople more interested in buying $550 million in luxury jets than in the people. Don't give me any backtalk about Republicans. Democrats provided ALL the votes for those luxury jets.

Posted by: Bill Carson | August 12, 2009 5:26 PM

Clearly, you dislike Obama and probably didn't vote for him anyway but the fact remains that Obama won because people voted for him and one reason is for health care reform. America needs health care reform despite your paranoia that it's a commie or socialist plot to provide medical services to people who cannot afford it or are getting ripped by their insurance "provider" so either you can afford good medical insurance or you are on medicaid, a socialistic program.
So which is it?
Meanwhile, Americans who voted for Obama will hold him to his promise of health care reform and the minority like you will continue to whine because you never accepted the election results in the first place.

Barack Hussein Obama is a socialist without a clue. Here's an alternative plan that no one has discussed: Pay for your own health insurance!! That's a novel idea. Most of the deadbeats who "can't afford health insurance" can somehow afford plasma tvs, NBA tickets, bar tabs, cars, pools, etc. I am sick and tired of deadbeats dictating policy. 90% of the "uninsured" could get high-deductible insurance for under $60 per month.

Once again, all bills that are signed are ONLY a suggestion. The details do not emerge until some bureaucrat gets his or her hands on it. That when the real fun takes place.

The bill, all 1000 pages, is just a suggestion. How it gets implemented is the real challenge.

So you think that are no "death panels"? Maybe not in the signed bill, but once a department of bureaucrats gets their hands on it, there very well could be!

How about paying for abortions. Same thing, some pencil pusher will be telling all of us how the bill is handled. NOT CONGRESS!

So anyone in DC telling you anything, health care WILL do this or health care WILL NOT do that is just simply lying. They do not know what the final outcome will look like.

ALL BILLS ARE DONE THIS WAY!

Do not believe that you are being told the truth because YOU ARE NOT! You are being lied to, DAILY!

Dear David,

You are wrong. Here is why you are wrong: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=628

Have I changed your mind? Something tells me I haven't... :)

Sincerely,

Me

The annoying thing about the Prez and the Dem House and Senate leadership is they are so arrogant when anyone opposes them as if Americans do not have real concern about taxes, spending and then being compounded with the Cap and Trade malarky and now a really contentious socialist, mostly unread Waxman-Markey bill that deals with healthcare as if we were in the old Soviet Union. The MSM , groups like Politico, New Republic , The Nation will never investigate ACORN and SEIU, union thugs and community flackers, who seem to be confusing and bringing even violence into the townhall mts. with seniors getting the brunt of this confrontational hubris. Hopefully, even thinking Dems will finally have enough of this arrogance and deal with the reps in next year's 2010 House elections.

Why I can't trust Obama and Congress on Health Care.

I'm supposed to have confidence in my Reps who don't read bills they approve?

I'm supposed to believe Obama on the costs of the plan when the CBO says it will not work.

And as a retiree and veteran, I should place my faith in the hands of those who lie to me and will not have to be part of the public option.

Hmmm?

Hard decision.

On balance, I think the various proposals of Obama and his minions Suck.

Let's push something through before anyone can evaluate it?

Obama, you have been weighed in the Scales and found wanting.

Princeton Junction

I think that we should have full control over our healthcare. What happened to this country being free?

"I think that we should have full control over our healthcare. What happened to this country being free? "
Posted by: debt relief

No problem, debt. Do you have the money to pay for your surgery?

"I think that we should have full control over our healthcare. What happened to this country being free? "
Posted by: debt relief
No problem, debt. Do you have the money to pay for your surgery?
Posted by: mort | August 12, 2009 9:47 PM

Kill all the doctors before they kill us. Government is not the problem. While Obama reigns [may it be 50 years!] Government is the solution.

Republicans and Democrats both have their bread buttered by big money. The same money that forced the banking crisis and then the stimulus package. Divide and conquer my little puppets. My Health Insurance covers less each minute and I owe thousands after my two days in the Hospital. Talked with some relatives in Canada this weekend. They think we are all Idiots. They just might be right.

Our employers and we ourselves paid into the accounts for "our" Medicare, but it looks like we will be told it is too wasteful to spend on a 65-year-old quadriplegic. Fortunately, my former employer still covers much of our expenses. For now.

The big problem for many "normal" Americans continues to be that there is a concept--but there IS no bill. Add to that (as is evidenced by all reputable polls) the fact that there is very little trust in Washington politicians. Reading through the thousand page House draft for answers is not entirely useful at this point because even the president admits the reform plan is still under construction. No wonder there is so much mistrust and misinformation and guessing about what bill language will ultimately win out--and what it will eventually mean to regular Americans.

The president's town halls are not helping because all he can say is what he personally thinks, and what he hopes will be in the final bill. But everyone knows that it is congress (not the president) which negotiates and passes legislation, and that they are notorious for slipping nutty stuff in at the last minute.

Finally, the costs to implement health care reform, and adding more to the deficit, is deeply, genuinely and truly worrisome to average taxpayers of both parties. And this issue is just not being dealt with in a forthright manner that satisfies and alleviates those concerns.

Jay Dubs...you can't be serious to think we take that website link seriously. Look at who the Board of Directors are and the Staff. The 2 people leading the group on Health Policy are from UC Berkeley and the other from Stanford with a degreee in Sociology and Comparative Literature. Get Real!

Don't you understand if we devided all food up in the world we would all starve to death. It will be the same with what the Obama Administration plans for healthcare we will all go with out. And don't think just because you support him it will be different for you because it won't. By watching the news I'm sure you have figured out these guys do not care about you. Look and really listen to Obama he is lying to us.Remember The truth never changes. Kind of a golden rule of mine.

Once again, that is all the Republicans/ Libertarians have, their distortions, scare tactics and lies. America, if you do your homework, these purveyors of falsehoods would go nowhere and sell nothing. Their stories have been disproved, time and again !! Yet, they hope they can scare all of us, into doing the stupid: Accept the Healthcare Insurer Corporations promises. They get dumber by the minute !!
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So basically due to his healthcare plan his poll numbers are dropping.

So maybe Obama should be looking at his healthcare plan and seeing what it is people don't like about it.

President Obama's numbers are going back up, as the electorate realizes the lies the Republican/Libertarians are spewing about our President's parameters for his healthcare reform !! Finally, Americans can get that thousand pound gorilla, the Healthcare Corps, off of our backs, out of our medical programs and out of our wallets !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

FITZ,

Timt ot get off the Grape Kool-Aid

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

BTW - How is BO doing on "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW."?

At this point, although the debate and spin continue, this bill is essentially dead from an emotional and mandate perspective, even if some version gets passed. Whether it ultimately proves to be of any benefit to society, or a detriment, will take years, if not decades, to appreciate.

This bill, and virtually anything that might be done to improve our healthcare system, involves too much complexity with which we are emotionally motivated to deal.

There's been too much arguing about the details. People can not describe in 2 or 3 sentences the conceptual parameters of the effort and what it is supposed to accomplish. Unfortunately, people can describe how they feel about it in 1 or 2 words, and that's not good.

If either side of the debate has to work this hard arguing about something which theoretically should improve the lives of the masses of people, there's a big problem.

Even more so than how something is done, people are interested in results, not the details. And once again, as is frequently the case with much of human processing, the facts don't really matter. How people view the world, what they value, and what they want, matters.

And there is nothing collaborative in nature about that. Factor in the strong individualistic American DNA, and this effort is emotionally toast.