Sarah Palin: Glenn Beck worth watching

I hope Americans remember when the lone crazy shots his target that these people have much responsibility to bear.

So much for indivisible!

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin in one post - this will attract the flatliner's convention

The blubbering dough-boy and the quitta-from-Wasilla, a Pug tag-team for the ages.

That wasn't nice.

No, that was downright nasty.

Posting those two mugs right before bedtime, I mean.

So Sarah is quitting and dumping Todd for Glenn, is that the point?

They'll be the George Burns & Gracie Allen of politics.

How dare Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin Speak out like that! Don't they know that this kind of talk just causes trouble. Daliy Kos would never allow these kind of unsanctioned truths to be released. Why don't they just shut up and sit down and accept what the Government tells them. What gives them the right to say these things. Don't they know that freedom of speech is only for Progressives.

Sarah Palin: A Liberal Lament

"Last night I saw upon the stair
A little woman who wasn't there
She wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish she'd go away..."

-- [Apologies to William Hughes Mearns]

If Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin
are flatliner's what would you call the Bamaites? "Omnipotent Chancists" LOL!!!

Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin in one post - this will attract the flatliner's convention

Posted by: Terry | August 26, 2009 10:55 PM
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What's wrong Terri, are you embarrassed by what passes as your party leadership (Beck, Palin) nowadays?

So is Palin "palling around" with Nazi's now or something? Crazy Glenn is on the cover of his latest coloring book wearing a Nazi uniform. Is that the kind of family values that Palin wants to spread across America? Of course it is.
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6384621

Fact: Beck made comments that many, many Americans thought to be inappropriate.

Fact: Many, many Americans wrote to Beck's advertisers informing them of Beck's racist and hateful rhetoric.

Fact: Companies pulled advertising because they didn't want to be associated with hate, and they're still doing so.

So, long story short, the only thing out to get Beck, other then Beck's own big mouth - are FACTS.

I love watching the Wingnuts in full meltdown mode, pass the popcorn!

With Beck, Palin has finally found someone who is just as insane as she is.

Did Sarah Moose Huntress quit her job as governor to type on Facebook or something?

Good! I love both Palin AND Beck! We need both in order to survive the onslaught of Obama's Socialism!

So, Obama isn't surrounding himself with hard core left wing radicals?

So, what did Glenn say that was untrue about BHO's "czars?"

So instead of looking into the czars yourself, you have decided to shoot the messengers. The fact is Jones is a self proclaimed communist. So what's the beef?

Mark Silva
"Talk about "palin' around with terrorists.''
Care to elaborate on what in the H**L does this refer to and what does this have anything to do with Palin asking followers to watch Beck?
I'm calling you out on the carpet, Silva.
My best guess, it's a cheep shot.
And, is it this newspapers publication policy to attack private citizens (Palin).
If so, your circulation could very well drop with the likes of the NY Times.

Ask the Tiller family how wonderful these hate preachers are.

Terry,

How can you type when you're saluting?

" Terry ". for once, you are as " accurate ", as cow dung, upon release, is to hitting the earth !! These two under-developed individuals, Beck and Palin, come from the same mold. They are selfish, deceitful and insincere, but that never bothered the Republican/Libertarian Axis. Those shortcomings are the cornerstone of their agenda. Give the people all the Bushing that can take, but never the truth, for if they had the truth, The Republican/Libertarian Party, would be out of business and have to work for a living !! This flailing pair will be a wonderful poster for the separatists and the undemocratic, who so blindly react to them. May they go the way of McCain-Palin ticket, into ash-can of history !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Well we can see what is so wrong with "journalism"

Why isn't this guy reporting about what is going on in the White House and the Unconstitutional establishment of new offices, outside of the law.

Why isn't this guy reporting about the Marxists seizing power in this country?

No instead he reports on things on the outside , mockingly.

It's like journalism by high school cheerleaders.

What a pair..Both radical nutcases....

Don't knock Glenn unless you watch his program.
We watched him when he was on CNN and felt that he was too good for that network. He is doing so much better at Fox. The left-loon liberals are trying to attack him because the truth hurts. They don't want for anyone to know kind of corruption is happening right now with our government. I am from Chicago, so I already knew of the Chicago-way of politics. We saw in Blago, Ryan and Daley. Obama and his coonies are no different.

Ann Coulter says that Liberals have two arguments to refute the facts presented by conservatives: "They're crazy!" and "They're stupid!"
So far the left is true to form.

Mark, you really need to do something about your sick fascination with everything Palin.
Anyway, Mark, can you refute Beck's charge that Van Jones is a communist and radical? I do know Van Jones made these comments to the East Bay Express in 2005:
I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th [1992], and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist...
I met all these young radical people of color – I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."

Hmmm, Mark, it seems Beck is onto something here. You can take all the cheap shots you want at Palin and Beck, but the facts indicate that it is you who is being less than honest. Your last line seems to imply that Palin and Beck are terrorists? Really, Mark, and you question with the charge of slander when I point out the Corrupt Media?

I watched Glenn Beck for the first time yesterday, and it was scary. Not for the inaccurate information he was spewing, but for the insanity of it all. He seems to be railing against some amorphous communist/socialist conspiracy that he is trying to tie together based on fragments of unsubstantiated, out of context, information. It is fuel for the extreme right wing nuts out there to feel good about their hatred of a black president.

So Sarah The Quitter endorses
Beck..no surprise there...2 losers gloming onto eachother for dear life...zzzzzzz.

So Sarah The Quitter endorses
Beck..no surprise there...2 losers gloming onto eachother for dear life...zzzzzzz.

YES WE CAN.

Do worse. A lot worse.
Have you seen the deficit lately?

Someone asked me the other day, "why would anyone watch Glenn Beck?" My response, people watched All Star wrestling in the 90's and knew it was FAKE! Those say weak-minded individuals are the ones watching Beck and following the Wolf Huntress. Stupid people is a real demographic. We need to wake and realize that this demographic will believe ANYTHING the TV tells them. Hence the success of Slap Chop and penis enlargement pills.

Aalan

There are clips of Beck's show all over the internet... So do us favor... specifically what did he say that was wrong?

Dumb and Dumber.

"Sarah Palin says today..." WHO CARES?

The fact is Jones is a self proclaimed communist. So what's the beef?

Posted by: Mom | August 27, 2009 6:44 AM

Beck and Palin tell lies and depend on the ignorance and stupidity of their followers. Have any of you brain dead right wingers looked into Jones beliefs at all, or do you only listen to the red baiting McCarthy clone Beck?

"We are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else."

Does that sound like a Communist to you?

"Sarah Palin says today..." WHO CARES?

I watched Glenn Beck for the first time yesterday, and it was scary. Not for the inaccurate information he was spewing, but for the insanity of it all. He seems to be railing against some amorphous communist/socialist conspiracy that he is trying to tie together based on fragments of unsubstantiated, out of context, information. It is fuel for the extreme right wing nuts out there to feel good about their hatred of a black president.

Posted by: Aalan | August 27, 2009 8:48 AM
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Watch him again....and keep learning the truth about the astronomical numbers the White House doesn't want you to know or understand the implications, therein.

It is time for the Republicans to actually spend a little time finding leaders that people want to follow. How is a election going to be won when we now only cover a little over 20% of the population? I am personally amazed about the out of touch attitude of the party now. She is never going to be president and a lot of Republicans are sick and tired of hearing from her. The only bright part is that Obama looks like he wants to join Bush as a president that started with a high approval rating and ends up leaving office with a rating in the gutter. Bush and Obama may end up being the nails in the coffins for both parties. Look at what happened in England and Germany. The Parties became so out of touch that ended up changing their names and platforms so that they could continue and ever have a chance of winning office. Of course, that cannot happen to use. We only have radio hosts leading both parties around by their nose rings. Maybe we need to make the reforms like Germany did, there always has to be 3 major parties running in elections. That way this tennis match version of the Republic could end.

I watch Glen Beck sometimes...
I find him fascinating in a "Howard Beale" sort of way.

He had been suppurating sponsors ever since his comment about Obama hating white people (his mom, his grandparents, etc.) so Fox News forced Beck to take a week's vacation.

He came back - NOT apologetic - but doubling-down on the crazy...

I've watched him every day this week and he reminds me of General Jack Ripper from the movie Dr. Strangelove.

You know: the cold-war General that sent the bombers off to bomb Russia and start WWIII and keeps ranting about the "Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids..."

Sarah (I can see Russia so I'm an international diplomat - I can see the moon so I'm an astronaut - I can see the ocean so sometimes I'm a fish) Palin tells her zombie followers to watch Glen Beck...

It's not the blind leading the blind - it's the stupid leading the stupid.

The Republican Party has become the all-star-wrestling/roller-derby of politics.

Palin is "right on" and not afraid to say it! Glenn Beck knows what he is talking about,too. For all of those who refuse to wake up and help us in this fight, they will either learn after it is too late or reap the benefits of our struggle. This fight is no less important than the American Revolution!

I liked what GB had to say about the media ! Very interesting stuff ! FREE SPEECH is under attack and people are lining up like sheep to slaughter !
The Framers of the Constitution knew that free speech is the friend of change and revolution. But they also knew that it is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny.
Hugo Black

This is like the blind leading the blind, or more appropriate, the ignorant leading the ignorant.

Dusty -

"coonies"? Really? Is that what you meant to write?

Really?

I don't care for Beck's delivery, but if he's wrong only half the time this country is in big trouble (which it is).

To the comment he's scary... You ought to be scared. Obama and his leftist agenda will destroy this country.

Dear Sarah ->

Since your mind does NOT work in any analytical manner whatsoever, you couldn't possibly know the extent to which Glenn Beck DOES "make things up."

Glenn is a man of limited education who has ingested, by his own admission, most illegal drugs mixed with bottles and bottles of alcohol.

But since he cries on TV, he's on Fox "News" TV and is an adult convert to LDS, he has a following of like-minded people who are numbed to any logical thinking.

Glenn's latest rant is to resurrect the "communist" witch hunts of the McCarthy era. Sadly, there is a following of people who believe him.

One of my conservative pals is a staunch Glenn Beck fan, stating to me a few days ago that Glenn uses all of these facts that he places on his black board and his white board.

Those so-called "facts" are fabrications of Glenn Beck's toxic mind.

Unfortunately for the viewing public and those who follow Glenn Beck, they are getting the same toxic brain that Glenn has.

Sarah, if you are so fascinated with Glenn, why don't you appear on Glenn's show?

Hey, Dusty, maybe your use of "coonies" was a typo, maybe a Freudian slip, maybe an intentional smear, but whatever it was, surely even you would have to acknowledge that you've injected some nasty racist spin into this discussion.

I don't know who is more contemptible, Glenn Beck or the brain-damaged dolts who desperately want to believe everything he says.

Sarah Palinj and George Beck are outright Nazis/Klan like racists. No one shouold watch anything on Fox news or on CNN, the other right wing pro war propaganda channel.

They had their chance, and that's why they were thrown out. But you will hear weeping and gnashing of teeth. They will say and do anything to regain power. But hate and lies will not prevail. We took our country back and we are keeping it. They are trying to kill our leaders, but JFK, MLKing, , RFK and now EMK's spirit will live on and increase! The Dream Shall Never Die! Have faith, Åmericans!

Why does the media listen to this has-been? She has nothing to offer except to allow us to continue to make fun of her. She is not news worthy!

This would be funny, if it was'nt so dangerous. You have beck and palin, both who appeal to nuts on the far right, making these silly and emotional statements that any rational person could see through. But, because they appeal to people who want to believe this foolishness, like death panels and the like, it creates danger for all americans. It's time that beck is forced off the air, an palin to come out of her hole. If they really want to make these statements, but them in a forum where they would have to defend these silly comments, instead of having a one sided tv show and facebook. What cowards.

They had their chance, and that's why they were thrown out. But you will hear weeping and gnashing of teeth. They will say and do anything to regain power. But hate and lies will not prevail. We took our country back and we are keeping it. They are trying to kill our leaders, but JFK, MLKing, , RFK and now EMK's spirit will live on and increase! The Dream Shall Never Die! Have faith, Åmericans!

"John D", Mr. Silva probably doesn't have a "sick fascination" with Sarah Palin. More probably, Silva is merely following directions from Silva's former colleague David Axelrod, whose stock-in-trade is creating a media hate-fest every week for anyone who dares question any of Axelrod's clients.

In George Orwell's classic "1984", Big Brother subjected citizens to a daily Hate-Fest, in order to divert the public's attention from what the government was doing. This week's Swamp hate-fest target is Beck.

"Talk about "palin' around with terrorists.'' "

As another poster asked, I too would like to hear from Silva on this. Are you calling Beck a terrorist? You will, of course, back that up, won't you?

Awaiting your reply.

Don't knock Glenn unless you watch his program.
We watched him when he was on CNN and felt that he was too good for that network. He is doing so much better at Fox. The left-loon liberals are trying to attack him because the truth hurts.
Posted by: Dusty | August 27, 2009 8:37 AM

The "truth" seems to be contingent on which network he's on:

crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/daily-show-if-only-glenn-beck-sixteen

I am a discusted Democrat, I believe something is going on behind the scenes and we are in trouble in this Country. Russia has Czars NOT America, I feel if you don't like and appreciate this freedom we have let the Government give you a one way ticket to France or any other location you like. We all have the Freedom of Speech and this site has used it. What is the difference of not liking what Obama is doing as opposed to Palin and Beck? Get real we can't all be right, but why be downright nasty? As I said don't like this Country, try another, see if they will put up with sites like these.

Let me see if I understand the intellectual honesty of Glenn Beck...He's against an Out of Control Government but he supporsts a GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, who arrested a private citizen, a black man, on the private citizen's property because the private citizen called the GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, bad names????

I think I'm gonna puke!

Chicago Tribune’s 'The Swamp' Blogger Likens Palin’s Endorsement of Beck’s Fox News Show to 'Palin’ Around with Terrorists'
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/08/27/chicago-tribune-s-swamp-blogger-likens-palin-s-endorsement-beck-s-fox-new

Dumb and Dumber!

Thank God for both of these fine Americans.

Beck's show this week has been hands-down the best thing on television in a looong time.

John D, Does this sound like a communist to you:

"We are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else."

Mr. Jones has clearly moved beyond the views of his youth. He has continued to learn, continued to grow and has altered his viewas a result. This is clearly something the brain dead radical right, like you Beck and Palin cannot understand because you never learn, you never grow, and you are proud of your ignorance. Have you actually read the East Bay article John? Or have you only depended on Becks selective quotation? If you had you would know that the whole thrust of the article is the story of how Mr. Jones has moved beyond the political views of his youth.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/gyrobase/the_new_face_of_environmentalism/Content?oid=290098&showFullText=true

Perhaps if you tried thinking occasionally you'd be able to understand a profound transformation like that Mr. Jones has gone through. However as long as you remain the drooling followe of demogogues like Beck, letting them do all your thinking for you, there is little chance of that happening.

How about challenging Beck on the facts? Nah. That would require integrity and work. We all know how the left feels about work.

I am old enough to remember when the Tribune was a real newspaper with real reporters. Is the Trib farming out the writing to local high schools to save money?. In this article they never discuss the unrefuted charges made against Jones. Then you get stupid name calling attacks from the left wing lunasphere in the postings.

Jones is a convicted felon.
Jones is a self described communist.
Jones is an admirer of Mao.
Jones founded STORM a self-described "radical marxist revolutionary organization."
Jones is involved with the Apollo Foundation, a front organization for distributing $500 million in tax dollars to "green organizations" like, ha ha, ACORN and its many affiliates and incarnations.

Those, dear Trib, are a few of the facts you failed to mention in your propaganda blurb. Except for the sycophantic, neurotics on the left we aren't buying the msm's c---ola anymore.

The left loves Van Jones because as someone else said they always kiss the hand that slaps them and bite the hand that feeds them. Strong men, dictators, czars, thugs ooooh they just love them. Their legs tingle and they wet their panties at the first sign of a political thug.

Hey, is Obama the last Kennedy brother as Chris Matthews declared? What sick sycophancy.

Hopium Dopim Chumps

Why is the comments of a quitter making the front page? Guys, she is a nobody but a poster boy for the lunatic fringe.
Don't feed the troll, and she will crawl back to obscurity, where she belongs.

Since you asked:

It's worth considering the implications of the televised rhetoric of someone who goes on a national show, with a wide following, and accuses the White House of being run by a cabal of radicals -- make that Communists -- and who day after day presents chalkboards filled with inane maps tracing the roots of socialism and Nazism in the health-care debate, and who also publicly accuses a black president of being racist and somehow opposed to "the white culture,'' at a time when the government has warned that a perfect storm of unemployment and rising gun sales and racist extremist activity is cause for concern about lone wolves and other threats to public safety. It's worth asking if this is not a form of political terrorism, the rhetorical equivalent of a Molotov cocktail. It may not be very insightful, all the ranting about the White House being run by radicals and the chief executive himself being a racist, but it certainly is inciteful. It should be troublesome to anyone who values reasonable civic debate and who also worries about public violence.

Let me see if I understand the intellectual honesty of Glenn Beck...He's against an Out of Control Government but he supporsts a GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, who arrested a private citizen, a black man, on the private citizen's property because the private citizen called the GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, bad names????

Posted by: makes sense 2 crazies | August 27, 2009 10:14 AM

Yes, and he's also in favor of the Government use of torture, and the notion that government agents who may have violated the laws aginmst torture should be shielded from all investigation and prosecution for their crimes.

Keep it up Palin.
Keep it up Beck.
Keep it up Rush.

I don't know why some Democrats get so angry with these three? The majority of voters don't vote party lines they are somewhere in the middle and do not like extremism on either side. These three extremists almost guarantee a long reign of power for the Democrats. So I hope they keep it up!

I'm sure most Trib readers aren't bothered by the communists in the Whitehouse............

Sarah Palin is a total moron.

The left hates Sarah and Glenn because they fear them. The current attacks on Glenn reflect the left's concern that he is unmasking people and motives behind Obama's agenda.

Seems to me that watching, reading, and listening to Palin and Beck can provide some real entertainment. What a hoot!

barbara wrote: "Russia has Czars NOT America"

Actually, the whole "czar" thing was started in 1973 by, I believe, Time Magazine. It refers to an ad hoc position, it is not an actual title. (by the way, the United Kingdom uses that phrase as well) And if it bothers you so much, let's take a look at the PARTIAL list of "czars" appointed by good 'ole American boy George W. Bush:

• Cyber Security Czar
• Regulatory Czar
• AIDS Czar
• Bird Flu Czar
• Intelligence Czar
• Health IT Czar
• Katrina Czar
• Manufacturing Czar
• Drug Czar
• Domestic Policy Czar
• War Czar
• Copywright Czar
• Abstinence Czar
• Mine Safety Czar
• Latin American Czar
• WTO Health Czar
• Corruption Czar
• Privacy Czar
• Health Czar

Yep -- that's right "bird flu czar"

The truth hurts and it cuts deeply into the flesh of "party members" who do not use reason and logic to make decisions they do. Glenn and Sarah are Great Americans for pointing out the MAJOR FLAWS of the white house and democratic plans.

the tibune is milktoast.

Sorry Mr. Silva, but you missed the mark. Your response is double-speak. It only works if you prove Beck's assertions wrong, and that you did not even attempt. Try again. We're still waiting. Make your case or admit your error.

The truth hurts and it cuts deeply into the flesh of "party members" who do not use reason and logic to make decisions they do. Glenn and Sarah are Great Americans for pointing out the MAJOR FLAWS of the white house and democratic plans.

the tibune is milktoast.

Kathy, that's easy:
Van Jones is not a Communist.
The Secret Service wouldnt give White House security clearance to radicals.
And the president of the United States is not a racist. But Glenn Beck is a political bomb-thrower.
Case closed.

Thanks for responding Mark. I COMPLETELY agree with you that the direction the Republican Party is moving is very troubling. Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O'Reilly are pretty much pouring gasoline on this country and handing off a lighted match to a bunch of imbeciles. In my mind that's not protected free speech...it's conspiracy to commit treason. The people of the United States elected their government, so it's just as valid as any other government...true Americans should exercise their right to disagree with policy, however they should be using logic and reason and should be doing it a civil manner. These on the far right have only resorted to constant lies, attacks and shouting down their opposition. That's why I no longer can support ANY Republicans until they stand up and rid themselves of the true scum in their party.

Let me see if I understand the intellectual honesty of Glenn Beck...He's against an Out of Control Government but he supporsts a GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, who arrested a private citizen, a black man, on the private citizen's property because the private citizen called the GOVERNMENT AGENT, a police officer, bad names????

Posted by: makes sense 2 crazies | August 27, 2009 10:14 AM
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Grand Prize for best post of the day. Beck is a hypocrite who makes money preaching to hateful and ignorant rubes w/o jobs. How else can you explain that FOX viewership and listenership beats the competition every waking hour of the day? Jobless, bitter rubes sit on their fat Limbaugh's and listen to this monger dehumanize Obama and Democrats to the point that a lone wolf crazy will be inspired to storm Liberal churches or Holocaust museums with guns blazing.

Sorry Mr. Silva, but you missed the mark. Your response is double-speak. It only works if you prove Beck's assertions wrong, and that you did not even attempt. Try again. We're still waiting. Make your case or admit your error.

Posted by: Kathy | August 27, 2009 11:12 AM

Kathy, can you read? Is my post 3 above Mr. Silva's too difficultfor your limited intellect to understand? Beck cherry picked a quote out of the context of a much longer article about how Mr. Jones views have chnaged over time. Yet people like you, who are either incapable of basic reasoning, or unwilling to think for yourself, treat Mr. Beck's ravings as the Gospel. Read the full article, get a dictioary if the words of more than three letters are too hard for yout to undertand.

So the most self-serving, narcissistic candidate we've ever had inserts herself into another topic. She just can't stand to not be in the news everyday, so she has to make herself THE NEWS. How pathetic!!!

Here's a definition from wikipedia:

(Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the diagnostic classification system used in the United States, as "a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy."[1]
The narcissist is described as turning inward for gratification rather than depending on others and as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, and prestige.[2] Narcissistic personality disorder is closely linked to self-centeredness. It is also colloquially referred to as "the God complex.")

WOW!! Does that nail Sarah on the head!!

Well then Mark, why is it that Van Jones describes himself as a communist?

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/08/27/the-color-of-change-is-green

From the article:

"In flattering 2005 profile of Jones in the East Bay Express, he said that he was radicalized shortly after the Rodney King verdict when he was caught up in a mass arrest at a rally protesting the decision. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary. … I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th. By August, I was a communist." He would help found an organization called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM) that, according to the Express, "held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia." "

I believe it's the FBI that investigates people wanting to work w/POTUS. Have they cleared him? I don't know. It's one of the questions I would like answered. We already know he these czars don't have to be vetted by congress.

Case closed? Far from it. You haven't done your homework. Beck has. Try again.

Milw-Town,

Yo Yo, Hey der cheese head!

BTW, dey ain't reelly Czars, dude. The
communists in Russia killed all da Czars, man. Dey was du anticommies, man.

I agree that the radical right would love for the same end to Obama's life as befell Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy. They would like nothing more than for one of their many weak minded, thoroughly terrorized followers to take up one of their precious guns and assassinate the President of the United States. They will weep crocodile tears like they did after Oklahoma City, but in their hearts they will be saying "A job well done."They have encouraged angry confrontations at town halls, they have praised those who bring guns to town halls, they have smeared,slandered and defamed Obama, and those around him, with the most inflamatory, revolutionary rhetoric they can come up with. Beck, Palin and their followers are the dangerous, radicals. They are the ones we should fear.

Mark Silva: 3
Misguided, Misinformed error-plagued Fox-watching wankers: 0
Sarah Palin: forfeit

Kathy is obviously too stupid to be able to read the actual Express article, which I linked to. Like the rest of the knuckle dragging Beck followers, she relies on what others tell her the article says, rather than actually using her tiny little brain to try and read it herself. The concept that someone's political views could possibly change over time is more than her tragically limited intellect can absorb. I'm sure that in Kathy's case she not only holds the same political views she had in college, but that none of her views have progressed since she was a toddler. Thoughtless empty minds like hers are the perfect breeding ground for Beck's brand of fear and anger.

Is this the same woman who couldn't remember what media she reads?

Where are the regular media in raising questions about the backgrounds of the people Obama is appointing czars and advisers with no constitutional authority and no public vetting process? Seems that all that the media -- including this one -- want to do is to belittle Beck for raising those questions. Is it a lack of courage, a fear of White House retribution? Or is it just a laziness? Either way, fortunately Beck is raising legitimate questions about a radical left takeover of the nation's policies at the highest levels. Maybe someday the old media will begin to do their jobs.

Well thanks Nickel. I wasted most of my lunch hour reading your article about Jones. Well, most of it (I couldn't stand anymore.) But unless his "come to Jesus" moment is buried somewhere in the last 5-6 paragraphs, I missed it. (Maybe it was his racist tee shirt mentioned early on? :) )

I see a guy who is smart enough to know how to get tax payer dollars. He knows the sympathy the "green" movement gets and how politicians love to throw money at it. His interest is not in going green for the sake of the environment. He's still working on redistributing wealth. And that's...wait for it....communisim.
He hasn't changed his beliefs one bit, just his tactics. You like calling me names? Look in the mirror to see who's missing the point.
Silva called Beck a terrorist. I just want him to back up his accusation with something more than his opinion.

Mark and the rest of the left wing moonbats fear Beck & Palin for one reason: Beck & Palin speak the truth

Heh, liberals are so self important. Pure comic gold.
And they still cannot seem to shake off Palin or Beck. Its like watching a dog chase it tail for endless hours of amusement.

Let's see, Mark: The economy is in in serious trouble, with unemployment soon to reach 10%, the proposed health care reform plan is dying, things are collapsing in Afghanistan, etc., and your big story is ............. Sarah Palin suggests to her Facebook friends that they watch Glenn Beck. You are truly pathetic!

Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are racist, morons who play their fans like idiots. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Glen Beck and Sarah Palin are racist, morons who play their fans like idiots, I'm just saying that they are racist, morons who play their fans like idiots. Now, I'm not saying...

Kathy,

From the American Spectator site you provided:

"Invest in Freedom!

Government-run healthcare … Government Motors … Government's increasing control over how you live YOUR LIFE - Call it what it is: Socialism.

You can help AmSpec promote REAL conservative solutions. You can help us train the next generation of conservative journalists and activists. You can help spread the message of FREEDOM!"

They sound like a real balanced, honest group without an axe to grind, eh?!!! LOL

Beck and Palin tell truths, Obama lies just like the rest of you liberals. This is a country of freedom if you liberals want to live in a socialist country please just move out of this great country!!!! Obama has lied and used the government more then Nixon ever did and Nixon was impeached. What is holding up congress to impeach this community organizer, communist, socialist.....

Glen and Sarah are true patriots. We will fight with both of you. We are the new grass roots protestors who work for free and dont need a bus to protest. We love america and we fight hard and to win

Glen Beck is the Paul Revere of our time warning America about what is really going on behind the scenes in Washington. I was shocked to find out that the Apollo Alliance wrote the Stimulus Bill and the Cap and Trade Bill.

Even Democrat Pat Caddell, who was on Beck's program this week knows what is going on in the Obama Administration is suspect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMkrUOUMtjA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2

Those who want to mock Beck and Palin are naive and deceived. Do the research yourselves and you will see that Beck is telling the TRUTH.

For Steve:
Not a big story. Not the only one. One of 50 or more in the past week, meatball.

From CBS News.

One of the problems with any proposed law that’s over 1,000 pages long and constantly changing is that much deviltry can lie in the details. Take the Democrats’ proposal to rewrite health care policy, better known as H.R. 3200 or by opponents as “Obamacare.” (Here’s our CBS News television coverage.)

Section 431(a) of the bill says that the IRS must divulge taxpayer identity information, including the filing status, the modified adjusted gross income, the number of dependents, and “other information as is prescribed by” regulation. That information will be provided to the new Health Choices Commissioner and state health programs and used to determine who qualifies for “affordability credits.”

Section 245(b)(2)(A) says the IRS must divulge tax return details — there’s no specified limit on what’s available or unavailable — to the Health Choices Commissioner. The purpose, again, is to verify “affordability credits.”

Section 1801(a) says that the Social Security Administration can obtain tax return data on anyone who may be eligible for a “low-income prescription drug subsidy” but has not applied for it.

Over at the Institute for Policy Innovation (a free-market think tank and presumably no fan of Obamacare), Tom Giovanetti argues that: “How many thousands of federal employees will have access to your records? The privacy of your health records will be only as good as the most nosy, most dishonest and most malcontented federal employee…. So say good-bye to privacy from the federal government. It was fun while it lasted for 233 years.”

Bambam and the party of hate. Why do posters think Fox kicks butt? Maybe they are the only news source that is not a love-in for the misguided lies one hears from the other networks. Nope no change from the reason the Dems lost the election of '96..corruption. The czars are being exposed for what they are and you cannot save money unless you ration health care and the elderly and wounded vets are disposable to this administration.

Sarah Palin, the self-retired governor of Alaska, has some recommended viewing for TV-viewers:
FOX's Glenn Beck.

And it would appear that many are listening to her based on the huge viewship that Beck has (and FOX has in general). You write that Beck is a terrorist without a shred of evidence. Just hurl the invective and liberals latch on like leeches. This blog is well named - The Swamp!

So, Glenn Beck is a terrorist, because he objects to Obama's policies and acquaintances?

What happened to dissent being the highest form of patriotism?

Oh, I guess that only applies to the Left.

But these people that Obama has surrounded himself are avowed communists - you are aware of that right? They are on video and in writing having said so themselves.

You do not find this troubling and yet damn Beck foir daring say so?

Do you believe that unvetted communists should have the ear of our President?

Oh my gosh, a politician that leftists viciously demonize recommended a talk show host that leftists viciously demonize! Stop the presses! Alert the police! The evil demon nazi knuckle dragging hick redneck rethuglikkans are daring to have opinions that disagree with their betters on this thread! Oh noes!

Hmm. Sooooo.... you equate talking with "terrorism"? how sad for you, Silva.

Mark's just upset that he didn't get included in the meeting with Ayers where they discussed how to murder 25 million Americans.

Hey KennyB, everyone's got to make a living! Don't knock good old American entrepreneurism! As for the content, well, we have government motors, government banks, they're working on government healthcare, they want to take over the airwaves........ Sounds like loss of freedomt to me. Supporting them might be a good idea.

Excerpt from a Nov. 2005 interview in the East Bay Express:
Van Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, “I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.” In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.” In 1994, the young activists formed a socialist collective, Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. They protested police brutality and got arrested for crashing through police barricad

YOU MAKE THE CALL.

Excerpt from a Nov. 2005 interview in the East Bay Express:
Van Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, “I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’” Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. “I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.” In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. “I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th,” he said. “By August, I was a communist.” In 1994, the young activists formed a socialist collective, Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, which held study groups on the theories of Marx and Lenin and dreamed of a multiracial socialist utopia. They protested police brutality and got arrested for crashing through police barricad

YOU MAKE THE CALL.

Remember the 2nd Amendment: it'll be important soon.

Kathy, now you are an expert on his beliefs? You know they haven't changed how? Oh, that's right who need facts! The quote I give above about the vital impiortance of the private sector, form his 2008 book, certainly couldn't be evidence that he's not a commie, could it? The fact that he wrote an entire book about importance of the private sector and entrepreneurs to the environmental future of this planet couldn't be evidence of his nnon-communist views could it? No, certainly not, Kathy has said his views haven't changed, because that's what the font of all truth and knowledge,Glen Beck has said. Yep, who need facts when we have Kathy and Glenn Beck around to tell us nwhat others really believe.

What a pathetic joke.

Let me guess, you're a birther too, aren't you Kathy?

Niether Beck or Palin could have an honest open debate about that is really going on in America. They just use the stupidity of America to further their careers. www.AverageFatAmerican.com

Last time I checked Nazi's are part of the LEFT WING group and are socialist. Every person I talk to in the Service Hates Obama and can't wait till he is OUT, they have no respect for him and it's not hard to see why. The only radicals I see are the people that Obama is surronding himself with. I know we need to protect the terrorist because they had their dirty faces splashed with water for the first time in their life and were violated. Lets ask them how they feel and rub their feet. You pansy as* people make me sick. At least Palin and Beck have the cahunas to say what's up unlike you pu**y's.

If he's a terrorist, doesn't that mean you need to ask yourself what you've done to displease him?

You leftist communist idiots are so terrified of Sarah it is actually funny. Its like watching ants burn under a magnifying glass, the way you get all hot and bothered about these true patriots Glen and Sarah. If Sarah is such an idiot why did the WH spend $40 million on adds refuting the "Death Panels" when it only took Sarah a couple of minutes at no cost to have all the libs get wee-weed up....ROTFLMFAO

Palin and Beck have a common theme, they both tell the truth. Obama Lies, and People Will Die if his Socialistic version of Health Care becomes law. Fascism will follow soon after. Look at the company that Obama keeps: Radicals, Communists, Terrorist, and Tax Cheats. And Obama says, Trust me.
I think NOT

I don't understand why people demonize Palin and Beck- I think the left would have more credibility if they could dispute what Beck say's with clear documentation. It is my opinion they can't so the left does what the left does best, they personalize their attacks on the people they don't agree with. It reminds me of child-hood rants "I know you are but what am I" or other cut downs. Your hair is ugly, your fat, your stupid.This is what I hear and read, when the left does any type of reporting. However, they need to wake up and smell the radicals in the White House before it's to late.

The Swamp.

That's a fitting name for this blog. Lots of leftist scum floating around.

Obama and the Left are just a bunch of racist morons who turn every issue into an issue on race.

Their hysteria over political opposition to lobbyistcare has reached fever pitch. We've seem people on the right called terrorists, brownshirts, nazis, and racists in every breath.

Additionally, it's becoming more and more clear that cost savings is not the true intent of lobbyistcare anyway. Howard Dean just claimed tort reform was not in the bill because they didn't want to deal with trial lawyers.

Anyway, this has to be the most devisive administration ever. Thanks Obama and the left for being so hate filled and bringing the country closer to civil war!

DISSENT IS TERRORISM

So, Palin is pallin' around with terrorists.

Has Palin been spotted hanging out with William Ayers?

Or has she been talking to our Lord and President?

I ask because you mention Glenn Beck, a radio/television personality, who seems a little worked up over the fascistic tendencies of the current government. However, I've not heard of Beck setting a bomb in the Pentagon as did Bill Ayers, for example.

Oh well, carry on Kool-Aid drinkers.

Sieg Heil and all that.

That comment is as irresponsible as MSNBC's attempts at stirring up racial strife and a presidential assassination. Glenn Beck gives commentary, just like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.

We do not label political dissent in this country as terrorism. Make no mistake that a differing political view is what Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground did in the 70s, either. They threatened lives and bombed a civilian, domestic population. This is hate speech coming from our media.

Glen Beck is a terrorist? Wow the USA's leftists make Canada's look down right sane.
Umm perhaps they have not noticed that at least two of Obama's advisers are documented terrorists, that's a proven terrorist rather than one that only exists in the fevered brains of leftist activists.

Beck has blown up so many buildings, I can't believe Palin would "pal around with that terrorist." Oh, wait.

Mr. Silva: glad you could join the conversation. Building on top of your theory that making statments about a cabal of people running the country constitutes a definition of a terrorist, I would like to know if you consider Seymour Hersh to be a terrorist.

Mr. Hersh has indeed used the very same hyperbole that you define as a terrorist when talking to his like minded peers at the Riverside Church in New York. Mr. Hersh said it was a cabal of 8 men. When asked why he has never written anything about this he said his editors could not source the material. He firmly established a double standard where words that come out of his mouth are ungoverneds and the words that end up print are governed.

So I ask you, as your words are now cemented in digital print - now don't go editing them - would Mr. Seymour Hersh also be a terrorist?

http://www.leftspot.com/blog/files/docs/STORMSummation.pdf

This would be the mission of STORM. The Teachings are Leninist and Marxist. The methods and their goals are precisely what Obama is putting this country into position for. They are anti-capitalist.

Nickel seems to think that if you SAY you are no longer a communist then you aren't. But Jones still rolls with them. Obama says you can keep your insurance, yet after five years you will lose it. He says no coverage for illegals ,yet there a million loopholes and no citizenship verifications. Obama claims no funding for abortion, but even FACTCHECK.org said this is a lie. Nickel,
these people will lie and do whatever they have to do to get what they want.
Beck exposes them all quite well. Too bad journalism is dead and Silva attacks the person instead of answering his questions. This is what you have to do when the facts get in the way of your argument.
Silva, you don't really consider yourself a journalist, do you?

The Swamp is a perfect name for where leftist cheerleading such as this article belongs.
By the way, Becks been exposing Jones for months. Color of Change has nothing to do with it. Of course, you'd know this if you actually watched the show.

Obama has lied and used the government more then Nixon ever did and Nixon was impeached.
Posted by: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW | August 27, 2009 12:56 PM

Unless you ment Nixon was a peach, you are incorrect. For one professing to know about this country, you sure are off on your facts. Nixon was never impeached. As for "liberals", this liberal served his country for those freedoms and it will take a larger horses a$$ to make me leave than you.

Average Fat: Guess you really are an dumb dumb by your comments.....
This article is written by a person that has to attack the messenger instead of of the message. That is a typical liberal....go after the person.

Have you seen any reporter disputing what Beck has been saying all week and backing up their comments?????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Just go after the messenger when you know what they are saying has a lot of truth to in it.

I really hate doing this Nicole. Our back/forth is providing cover for Silva and letting him off the hook. But I'll go round one more time. Here's a direct quote from Jones on leaving STORM: "I'm willing to forgo the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends." He's still the same guy-he's just learned he can get what he really wants if he goes after it in a suit & tie. Read that article again, the one you're pushing. What does he want? Taxpayer money to "train" minorities for "green" jobs. "..prison economy to the green economy" His words, not mine. Social justice. And what is social justice? Communism. It's not that hard. And Mr. Silva, will you be providing your evidence?

I'm going to go against the grain of my fellow Conservatives and point out that until the last line, this article was pretty much factual and straight forward. Normally I'd be complimenting the author.

Who then had to go say "Talk about "palin' around with terrorists.''

Sir. Here "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism" is the Wikipedia page that describes terrorism.

Nothing on this page is a suitable description of Beck or Palin. So, apparently you were weaving your text into a golden cloth and then lost control of your bowels and decided to dump a loaf on your own work.

What does that tell us about you, sir?

Funny, nobody contests the FACTS Beck is presenting..but they're working overtime to "kill the messenger"...

Should tell you something, eh?

Nickel, Why the PERSONAL attacks on Kathy? Can't you just disagree without being insulting? Does insulting someone else's intelligence make you feel better about yourself? And Mr. Silva, when you posted this: "who also publicly accuses a black president of being racist and somehow opposed to "the white culture,'' are you implying that a black man can't be a racist? And when you called Steve a "meatball," how do you justify that, as a journalist? I say that's unprofessional of oyu.

When they start the name calling they lost the arguement

Oh God--this is just so delicious. Beck and Sarah? In the same post? Wow. Just throw in Rush, Hannity, Bill-O, the KKK, John Kass, and a few other Fox "newsies" and it would downright orgasmic.

Criticism of Obama and his czars is terrorism now. Good to know.

"...FOX News Channel's Glenn Beck, who has been warning viewers this week that Obama is getting his advice from a Communist and other radicals in the White House who have no oversight from Congress."

Which statement is entirely true.

You having trouble with reality or something?

"Sarah Palinj and George Beck are outright Nazis/Klan like racists. No one shouold watch anything on Fox news or on CNN, the other right wing pro war propaganda channel.

Posted by: George Schmidt"
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Nice job there Mr Schmidt, except for one thing, the KKK was founded by the DEMOCRATS after the Civil War, as a domestic terrorism branch, with the mission of destroying the Republican party. Remember, it was Republicans that passed LBJ's civil rights laws, while democrats, including Al Gore's daddy, fought them tooth and nail.

It was democrats who wrote the Jim Crow laws.

It is the democrats who STILL have a Klan member in the Senate. Robert Byrd.

It was a democrat, James Earl Ray, who murdered Republican Dr Martin Luther King.

Oh, and the Nazis were socialists, like most of the democrat party! They were left wing fanatics, like the democrat party.

Hitler took over the banks, the auto companies, and pushed for "universal health care", just like the democrat party.

Hmmm, looks like you were mistaken about Mr Beck and Governor Palin. They are the exact opposite.

"Emmy," Obama does.

You people are completely idiot and delusional. Yes, because she supports Glenn Beck - she is obviously palling around with terrorist.
It's funny how you all give BO a pass on all of the crazy out of their mind people that he hangs out with, but she endorses a TV show and you freak out.
What hypocrites you all are.

"Sieg Heil and all that.
Posted by: Nick Danger | August 27, 2009 1:31 PM

OK, let's see just whose books the real Nazi were actually burning;

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/bookburn.html

Gee whizz, those look like lefties books to me, even Karl is there, and Einstein, a socialist, and the smartest guy since Newton. (Why the FBI wanted to deport him.)

I'm not sure I understand... you're comparing Beck to the Weathermen? Based on what?

Mark Silva... yet another reason that journalists are devoid of credibility.

Since Palin announced that she was resigning as Gov., her Facebook has gone from 542,000 to 836,000, that is much closer to 300,000 than the 100,000 Silva stated. That's a gain of about 5,000 per day.

I'm guessing that Silva is equating someone on TV talking about politics is the same as someone who planted bombs at the Pentagon, US Capitol, NY police station, etc.

Silva is pathetic to say the least.

Anfd the lies keep coming fro m the radical revolutionary right.

Van Jones was not a founder of STORM. Van Jones does not "still roll" with STORM, especially since STORM has not existed since 2002. In fact. I can find no connection between Van Jones and STORM ourside of radical right wing blogs, and an unsupported reference on Wikipedia. But we all know facts aren't important to Beck and his radical revolutionary right wing supporters.

Reading through all the posts I haven't seen one fact that Glenn Beck has put out there that anyone has refuted. Come on lefties...try dealing with real facts instead of stooping to Mark's level of personal attack.

Bill r: No, Nixon was not impeached, but if he had stayed it was a given. It was also a given that he would be convicted. That is why he resigned. The Republicans legislators sent a delegation to make sure Nixon understood that.

On the other hand, I have posted more than once, since as far back as Ike, I have never seen a President lie as much as Obama.

BTW, I was surprised to see that there are 122 comments. I guess Beck and Palin in the same thread really brings them out.

Rick

I love how libs never put Beck's complete quote in their stories. The quote didn't happen on Beck's show either, but that is never mentioned either.

That being said, Obama is very prejudiced and that should be obvious to even the most simple minded of people.

Van Jones is indeed a self-professed former communist. But, then so is Irving Kristol, the "Godfather of NeoConservatism" and the father of Bill Kristol of Weekly Standard notoriety.

In fact, the original intellectual 'brain trust' of the Neocon movement arose from the movement of Trotskyist Communists at City College of New York in the late '30s. They were all members of the "Fourth International," also known as the "Young Peoples' Socialist League."

They fell out with the USSR when Leon Trotsky's rival Joseph Stalin had Trotsky (who was Lenin's designated successor) assassinated in 1940 in Mexico City. But, though they lost the ideological battle for control of the Soviet communist state and came to hate the USSR, they never really gave up their belief in Trotskyist Communism. Much of their early ideology is STILL at the core of the current Neocon ideology. They still believe that they alone are qualified for world hegemony and they still believe that the path to world domination is in 'perpetual revolution,' although they have re-christened this as 'perpetual war' and formally named it the War on Terrorism.

So, I guess that by the standards of the people crying "Commie" by association and past history, the leadership of the Republican Party over the past generation could equally be branded as communists. Ironic, wot?

Consider that, in true Trotskyist ideology, George W. Bush wrapped himself in the mantle of unchecked, absolute power based on his identity, not as President, but as Commander-in-Chief of a war the Neocons declared (and asserted conditions that would assure the WoT - and what they expected would be future Republican presidents' power - would be unending).

Many warned at that time that the theory of virtually dictatorial Trotskyist-style powers Bush and Cheney created for themselves would one day be bequeathed to their successor, and that this successor would not automatically be another Republican.

Now, ironically, Barack Obama sits on the all-powerful throne created by Bush and Cheney, and all of the one-time cheerleaders of the Imperial Presidency are suddenly in a mindless rage that somebody other than their own choice is benefiting from their shredding of the Constitution.

Serves them right!

The National Socialists of Germany was a party of the Left. Of course they had no use for communists.

The Nazis had the same attitude toward competition from the left AND right: Clear them from the field!

Sort of like President Awesome, eh?

Oh, btw. C. Morris when you talk about Nazis being a party of the right, politically, you reveal your ignorance of political science and the continuum of political ideologies.

Fascism is a partnership between government and "corporations". Mussolini called it governmental corporatism or rather more simply, fascism. Mussolini believed in the government controlling the private sector.

Now, C. Morris, you may be a moron but you may understand this: Conservatism seeks to empower the INDIVIDUAL rather than the GOVERNMENT.

Understand the difference? Somehow I doubt you do.

"Taxpayer money to "train" minorities for "green" jobs. "..prison economy to the green economy".

Where's the communism in that? Where's the radicalism? What exactly do you see as being wrong with the notion of using the jobs created by new technologies to benefit poor communities?

Social Justice is Communism? So anyone who care about justice for all groups is a communist? Caring abiout the poor makes you a ciommunist? Caring about the oppressed makes you a communist?
I guess the Pope is a Commiunist and the Roman Catholic Church is a Communist Group.

http://www.justpeace.org/docu.htm#The%20Social%20Justice%20Teaching%20“Canon”

You really don't have a clue what you are talking about, do you?

Lets look to Webster's for the definition of fascism.

fascism |ˈfa sh ˌizəm| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
DERIVATIVES
fascist noun & adjective
fascistic |faˈ sh istik| adjective
ORIGIN from Italian fascismo, from fascio ‘bundle, political group,’ from Latin fascis (see fasces ).


Lots of 'right wing' mentioned there. Are you saying Obama is right wing, or Hitler wasn't a fascist 'cause he was left wing?

Just what are you saying?
You don't really know, do you?

I'm an Independent voter who I never watched Beck until I heard about the boycott and this bully radical group, Color of Crap.org.. Started watching this week...
Gotta say, haven't heard anyone refute ONE fact that Beck has presented....Not ONE!
Shoot the message, not the messenger...
I'm now tuned into Glenn, daily!

Fact - Beck made comments that many many Americans thought to be totally appropriate.

Fact - Many many Americans wrote to Beck's advertisers informing them that those boycotting Beck were racists and that WE THE PEOPLE would be boycotting them

Fact - Companies lined up to fill the advertising spots left by the chicken shit companies who don't believe in free speech for all.

To make a long story short, the only thing out to get Glenn Beck are Moveon.org, The White House, George Soros, Democraticunderground, Apollo Alliance, Mark Lloyd, Van Jones, Cas Sustein, Rahmbo Emmanuel, et al.

Does that clear it up for you people. Good, I'm glad.

Despite the clear antagonism you feel towards both Beck and Palin, the summary you give is quite fair.

Beck is calling out the communists/radicals/wack-jobs in this administration, Palin says that is a good thing.

This "irrelevant" Palin has sent shock waves through the health care debate with her extremely well reasoned and hard hitting Facebook posts. It doesn't matter who actually wrote them, but if Palin wrote them herself, she will be a monster political force going forward. Like her or not, those were concise, pointed critiques. Supporters hate the phrase "death panel", but that is a buzz phrase that captured the debate in a nutshell. The tort reform analysis was spot on also. Those are not the posts of an irrelevant voice.

If these no confirmation Czars are not radicals, lets examine their beliefs in the full daylight. Surely you are not against that? I did my own research into Van Jones. Beck does accurately describe his background. Van Jones is not "evil", but that he has strong radical, leftist beliefs, is clear. Should not people like this, placed in positions of power, be reviewed/confirmed by the Senate? If most Americans share his beliefs, what is the problem with scrutiny?

Remember:
The truth never suffers from further scrutiny.

If Bush had appointed 35 unaccountable, far-right Czars, liberals would be screaming in outrage. Are unaccountable Czars OK when they are on your side, or never? I say NEVER.

When Bush signed budgets which were heavy on spending, the liberals howled. Now that their man has tripled down on the deficits, is seems OK now. It is not.

We should demand accountability, whomever is in power. The fact that the left is in denial on this issue, demonstrates how false their complaints were the past 8 years, and the result will be that the lefts protestations will be totally ignored in the next conservative cycle.

Is that what you want? If not, start demanding accountability NOW.

The strength of America has been its ability to recover from radical agendas. If the left destroys the debate over justifying the means, it will destroy america, either from the left, or from the right. We should SUPPORT strong debate, and those who make the arguments. Calling Palin names only demeans yourself.

Remember the "question authority" bumper stickers? Time to question it again.

...Every person I talk to in the Service Hates Obama and can't wait till he is OUT, they have no respect for him and it's not hard to see why.

Posted by: Ava | August 27, 2009 1:18 PM
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Every person I know in the military was dumb as stones in high school and failed shop class but I don't assume that all soldiers are like this. I have a functioning brain.

Sarah and Glen Beck. 2 far right wingnuts! Who could believe anything these 2 say? They want everyone to live in fear..OOOOO..scary! What total idiots!! Anywone with a 3rd grade education knows that these two spout lies just for ratings. Bravo to the sponsors who dropped that nutcase. We are seeing who sponsers him now...get out some email to those companies.

I don't seem to recall just how many actually, you know, bombs that have killed people that Beck has planted and bragged about.

Remember when "journalists" used to work in the interest of the public? This required them to play an adversarial role to whoever and whatever party was in power. Not anymore! Journalism has decended into a bunch of cheerleaders for the libs and lefties. And they wonder why their industry is in shambles.

Mark,
Your article must have been picked up by some Wingnut web-site or something.

It seems that all 20% of what's left of the Repug base is on here high fiving Beck and Moose Barbie and acting like the kkklanish cult group that they've become.

Fascism" is a term that was originally coined by the Italian dictator Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after World War I. Lenin in Russia made somewhat different adaptations of Marxism to the conditions in Russia during the same period and his adaptations came to be called Marxism/Leninism. Mussolini stayed closer to Marx in that he felt that Italy had to go through a capitalist stage before it could reach socialism whereas Lenin attempted to push Russia straight from semi-feudalism into socialism. Mussolini's principal modification of Marxism was his rejection of the notion of class war, something that put him decisively at odds with Lenin's "Reds".

If the term "Fascism" means anything of itself it means "Groupism" -- as the fasci of Italy at the time were simply groups of political activists. The fasces of ancient Roman times were of course the bundles of rods carried by the lictors to symbolize the great strength of the organized Roman people. The idea again was that people were stronger in groups than as individuals.

Mussolini's ideas and system were very influential and he had many imitators -- not the least of which was Adolf Hitler -- and some even survived World War II -- such as Peron and Chiang Kai Shek. I have set out at length elsewhere what Mussolini's Italian Fascism was all about so I will simply summarize here by saying that Fascism was a nationalist form of extreme socialism whereas Trotskyism was/is a internationalist form of extreme socialism -- with Leninism being somewhere in between.

Go ahead, fascist supporters of the current president and read the whole thing...you might learn something.

http://ray-dox.blogspot.com/2006/05/american-roots-of-fascism-american.html

Reading these comments is truly scary. All this anger whipped up by Fox News and conservative radio. Very sad. I fear for our President.

Moose Barbie! hahahahaha.

Someone's stealing lines from the fierce moron of the left, Janeane Garofolo.

Want to see the intellectual equivalent of public masturbation? Go see a Garofolo show. Entertaining in that 'terrible car accident' kind of way but not in a funny kind of way.

Speaking of anger...who pissed in Janeane's Cheerios?

Oh well, I digress.

Sieg Heil all you clueless little fascists.

It should be troublesome to anyone who values reasonable civic debate and who also worries about public violence.

Posted by: Mark Silva | August 27, 2009 10:45 AM
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You clown. Like referring to a cable news talk show host as a "terrorist" is any kind of debate, "reasonable and civic", or otherwise?

You and your lefty Trib colleagues represent the left edge of the political fringe in their talking points, and that's about it.

Grow up, Meatball.

I like watching the wacko left-wing nut-jobs foaming at the mouth...Beck and Palin drive them crazy because the TRUTH HURTS...and the libs don't like being exposed as the brown-shirted fascists that they are.

That was the worst work, you've done, Mark, since you were at the Miami Herald. Van Jones's group, The Apollo Alliance, wrote the stimulus, in part. Mark Lloyd, thinks Hugo Chavez has the right
attitude toward media. And he wants to resign the entire media

Hmmmm. I don't recall Beck attempting to blow up federal buildings and then saying he's not sorry about it.

You guys are hilarious.

uhhh, now Beck is a terrorist because leftists don't like him?

It seems the words "racist" and "terrorist" now signify people who are winning arguments against leftists.

Mark, you really hit the jackpot with this one!
Anyway, I do not buy your argument that the Secret Service would not approve a radical. Somehow I do not see the Secret Service telling President Obama and the Little Ballet Dancer that they cannot have this person because he is a radical or former radical.
To say Jones is not a communist when he says he is or was vdoesn't wash either. There is the argument that 15 years later he seen the error of his communistic ways. That doesn't wash either. He might not be as extreme, but he is still extreme.

You also seem to take pleasure in Palin's apparent campaign line that Obama palls around with terrorists. Well, he did pal around with Ayers, whom I would say is or at least was a terrorist.

Could some of Beck's comments be taken as inflammatory? Perhaps. The problem, though, is that there are increasing numbers of people who are fed up with the U.S government, regardless of Republican or Democrat because of record deficit spending, corporate bailouts, taking over industries, high taxes, political corruption. Do the folks have a right to be fed up with that and more? I would say so.
Do folks have a right to get fed up with what they perceive as a media that can no longer be trusted as well? Yes.
Does that mean bullets need to fly? No. Violence to wratchet up? No.
But there are distinct problems in this country.
But you calling Beck and Palin terrorists was way out of line. Please explain how you believe Beck is a terrorist and not Ayers? Has Beck blown anything up? Has Ayers blown anything up? Is Beck part of some group that conducts terrorism acts? Did Ayers belong to a group that performed acts of terror?

Glenny Beck - leader of the dumber than a brick Repug Teabagger goons.

The Beckian Repug Teabaggers, the same idiots who stood up on their hind legs and cheered when Bush - started a war based on lies, sold us out to the Military Industrial Complex (Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater etc), gave tax cuts to the richest 1%, big oil, big corporations and illegally spied on us - are now foaming at the mouth over the possibilty of every American having access to healthcare like every other industrial country has because their Repub/Corporate overlords have all of them believing it would turn us into a Commie/Fascist/Nazi/Socialist granny killing country?

The Wingnut stupid, it hurts!
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http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murphy/idaho-gop-leader-tea-party-organizer

Rod Sterling (I wish), you are in the Twilight Zone. Webster is wrong about "right wing". Fascism is socialist. By definition, the government is in control of the corporations and, hence, production. That is why it is called corporatist.

Wikapedia has this sentence:

"This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour (Mussolini called his nation's system "the corporate state")."

and this reference from the economics dictionary defines fascism as socialist.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

To further bolster the point, Nazi stood for "National Socialist German Worker's Party ". Notice the second word. It is pretty definitive.

Lefties like to claim fascism is a right wing philosophy because they think it offsets communism, but it just is not true. Fascism is another style of government brought to us courtesy of the left.

Rick

Jack, don't you get it? We are using Beck's and Palin's own anti Obama rhetoric against them.

You can tell who your audience is - guess that is why I never come to this site to read anything. Calling someone you don't agree with a terrorist? Hummm I thought according to the Obama Administration - there are no terrorist?

"If Sarah is such an idiot why did the WH spend $40 million on adds refuting the "Death Panels" when it only took Sarah a couple of minutes at no cost to have all the libs get wee-weed up....ROTFLMFAO
Posted by: MCW | August 27, 2009 1:21 PM"

Because that's how big the idiot wind is out there in America. It takes a lot o $$ to counter lies like Becky and Palin are peddling.

What makes the Nazi posters here angriest at Beck?

(1) That they are unable to dispute what he's uncovered about President Awesome and his Awesome Czars doing the "no-vetting process" dance?

(2) That they were sold a hopeydopeychange bill of goods for their votes and they're finding out their Lord and President is an Affirmative Action type hire, to wit, dumber than a stump and less talented than a school bus driver

or

(3) That individuals in this country mobilized against a government takeover of a private industry and are pushing back against government intrusion in their personal lives?

I'm pretty sure those of you on the Left prefer to have those difficult personal liberty questions answered by the government since politicians are ever so much smarter than the rest of us.

Oh, how's the Kool-Aid, Obama voters?

Hitler took over the banks, the auto companies, and pushed for "universal health care", just like the democrat party.

Hmmm, looks like you were mistaken about Mr Beck and Governor Palin. They are the exact opposite.

Posted by: Gary | August 27, 2009 2:16 PM

Wrong on all counts!

The Nazi's didn't nationalize either the banks or the auto companies. The Nazi's in fact privitised a number of state owned industries during the 1930s.

The Nazi's didn't push for Universal healthcare. Germany's had universal coverage since the mid 1880s.

Do you guys even try to get the facts right?

Posted by: Mullah Limbaugh - leader of the Greedy Oil Party | August 27, 2009 3:21 PM...............Seems like you lefties are the ones getting teabagged.LOL

Once again a bunch of leftist Democrats fail to impress. Guess what? Calling Beck and Palin idiots doesn't convince me that you have the better argument. Try rebutting an argument every once in a while. Until then, shut up. You are cluttering up the Internet with your stupidity.

"Talk about "palin' around with terrorists.''

Yeah, blowing up cops and Govt. officials? Just like yelling on TV... exactly the same really.

Good to know how this equality of situations works. Since I believe a terorrist should be jailed for life; I must also believe that a talking head that I disagree with must also be jailed for life... right?

Because these are exactly the same. Use bombs, or words... they're all the same to us.

Oddly if I shouted at you, then set off a bomb; I suspect you might find out eh difference. Kind of sad that you can't do so without this experiment to show you what that difference is...

How exactly is Beck a terrorist or comparable to murderous gutter rat like Ayers? And Beck was right by the way, anyone who'd sit in a Black Liberation Theology cesspool for 20 years, and subject his small children to that filth, is probably a racist. Just as anyone who'd attend Klan meetings for 20 years is probably a racist.

Bwahahahaha,
Listening to Right Wing Fear mongers say "shoot the message, not the messenger" is HILARIOUS. You folks cannot give an academic critique of William Ayers contributions to inner city educational systems so you resort to calling him a terrorist.

Oh yeah. Glenn Beck (a talkshow host) is just like Obama pals:
Rashid Khalidi (advisor to Yassir Afarat & the PLO)
Bill Ayers (head of the Weathermen who openly advocated and carried out bombings in the US) his wife Bernadine Dohrn (who said of the Charles Manson murders "dig it, they killed those pigs")
both of whom were on the lam from US law enforcement and only got off on technicalities.

Moral equivalence much?

Lunatic-liberals are a hoot! Read "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness" by Lyle H. Rossiter, a psychiatrist for more than 40 yrs. Liberalism is a mental disorder. The poor souls need government to think for them and run every facet of their lives. It's why they cry 'single-payer' for health care. It's all too complicated for them to understand (and we know most don't read UK or Canadian news or they would see the endless health care horror stories and imploding systems). They need their owners like Michael Moore to tell them how it 'really' is. Ha ha!

UPS drops ALL Fox advertising, Not Just Glenn Beck!!

Rich Hallabran, spokesman for UPS Stores, said today he has not only temporarily halted buying ads on the Glenn Beck Show but also on the Fox News Channel altogether as reported by AP Television writer David Bauder
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_en_tv/us_tv_beck_s_advertisers

Congratulations to everyone for a boycott that has successfully driven 33 companies away from the odious and racist rantings of Glenn Beck! Beck is returning from vacation to even fewer advertisers than when he left!

Well Mullah, if we are so stupid why is your side trying desperately to shut us up. Why have we trounced you on health care. You got your affirmative action negro president, enjoy the next 3.3 years, it will be a long time till there is another one.

Let me remind all of you Beck haters that the burden of proof lies on you, the protester. You can't say Beck lies or makes things up without stating exactly what you are refering to. Prove he is wrong with facts not your opinion. Answer the questions.

John E.

Your ignorance is not surprising (you're a liberal). 40% of Americans describe their political views as conservative; 21% liberal.

I find this enlightening. A lot of good links.
http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-file-83-obamas-man-van-jones-many_27.html

By the way, the STORM summary I put up was from 2004, so obviously some faction still remained, despite Nickels beliefs.

"winning arguments against leftists.
Posted by: Jack | August 27, 2009 3:17 PM"

You have pretty low standards for what constitutes 'winning' an argument.

She was misquoted.

What she said was:

"Beck bears watching."

Not just Republicans watch Glen Beck, or have respect for Sara Palin. There are alot of life long Dems fed up with the Left of the left wing. We didn't support Obama because he is an empty suit. He has proven us right.

"The National Socialists of Germany was a party of the Left. Of course they had no use for communists.

The Nazis had the same attitude toward competition from the left AND right: Clear them from the field!
Sort of like President Awesome, eh?"

Dangle,
And somehow this all applies to BHO? And I am the moron? And I need the PolSci lesson? Where is all this killing going on?

Now, in post WWI Germany socialists were involved, IN THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC. These are the people Hitler defeated in a couple elections, and then killed some of them.

Read Rise and Fall of the III Reich, then get back to me, fool.

Now you are calling BHO a lefty, the socialists are lefties, the commies are lefties but Hitler had no use for the all those lefties.

You have answered an important concern; Hitler wasn't a lefty!
Congrats, Dangle.

John E.

Your ignorance is not surprising (you're a liberal). 40% of Americans describe their political views as conservative; 21% liberal.

I'm enjoying this spectacle immensely, wingnuts. That feeling you have right now? That's how the rest of the country felt when Cheneybush was president, and a couple of people trying to attend a public town hall could get ARRESTED and SEARCHED for wearing "No Bush" T Shirts. Seeing as how we're now letting you nuts show up strapped to the same type of events, sure makes you look like a lot of whiny crybabies.

John E.

Your ignorance is not surprising (you're a liberal). 40% of Americans describe their political views as conservative; 21% liberal.

Posted by: MCD | August 27, 2009 5:50 PM
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You need to quit listing to that certified whackjob Michelle Malkin, Slick.

The only thing left of the Repug party in 2009 are the 20% dumber than a bag of rocks toothless redneck base nuts in the South.
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/the-incredible-shrinking-gop-only-one-in-five-self-identify-as-republican/

Now you are calling BHO a lefty, the socialists are lefties, the commies are lefties but Hitler had no use for the all those lefties.
You have answered an important concern; Hitler wasn't a lefty!
Congrats, Dangle.
Posted by: C.Morris✧ | August 27, 2009 5:22 PM

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Wow. After that mental pretzel you just tied y ourself in you must be feeling snug....or, is that smug?

I wish ignorance was painful, really I do, the cries of agony from the leftoids would feed my evil side.

Admit it, your lips move when you read the sign above the mens room.

Notice how liberals always revert to ad homonym attacks when they've got nothing else?

come on people open your eyes the gov isn't always right about everything. What's wrong with sarah, she took care of her population with straight forward actions. You people in other states didn't get rebates on your taxes! She takes on big lobbies wants wrong with that.she fishes, hunts, and helps her husband make a living. What's wrong with that. Oh yes Glenn beck lets you know what is going on behind closed gov doors. How good can it GET!!!
Whether you believe it or not at least he is not giving you hours of micheal jackson!! Wake up America before it is toooooooLATE!!

Silva: Since you asked:

"It's worth considering the implications of the televised rhetoric of someone who goes on a national show, with a wide following, and accuses the White House of being run by a cabal of radicals-make that Communists "

We might as well call it like Beck sees it... Example:05.26.08 Castro published a column in the state-run Granma and said he believes Obama is “doubtless, from the social and human points of view, the most progressive candidate to the U.S. presidency.” THEN criticizes Obama by saying “Presidential candidate Obama’s speech may be formulated as follows: hunger for the nation, remittances as charitable hand-outs and visits to Cuba as propaganda for consumerism and the unsustainable way of life behind it.”
Then on April 13, 2009 Obama lifted all restrictions Monday on the ability of individuals to visit relatives in Cuba, as well as to send them remittances
This just days before Obama left for a meeting of hemispheric powers, the Summit of the Americas and excepts a gift, shook hands with and palled around with Hugo Chavez and Ortega.

THEN on Aug 25, 2009 Castro cited Obama's efforts on health care, reviving the economy, closing tax havens, immigration reform and climate change.
"What's odd is that, despite this, the extreme right hates him for being African American and fights what the president does to improve the deteriorated image of that country.Obama has inherited those problems from Bush," he continues, "I don't harbour the least doubt that the racist right will do everything possible to wear him down, blocking his agenda to take him out of the game one way or another," AND he added "I hope I'm wrong!".

Now WHERE have I heard that before "inherited problems", "racist right" "extreme right hates him for being African American"???

Come on Silva, I know you know that answer.

It's amazing the way the GOP is always able to get the low and middle-income dittoheads in their base (mostly the South) to throw logic out the window and not only accept the GOP's crap talking points but to actually go out and protest against their own well-being i.e. healthcare, tax cuts etc.

The TeaBagger parties were the perfect example of this. The GOP oligarchy had working class morons from their base, who are most likely barely living paycheck to paycheck, out protesting the rich getting a small tax increase and themselves getting a tax cut. HA HA HA!!!

I watch Crying Glenn's show on Faux for the comedy material it provides.
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Watch the rightwingnuts run amuck !! Democracy is trampled on, in the name of democracy. It's the Bush&Cheney fringe's version of shoving democracy down the Iraqi people's throats, dead or alive. America, where are you !!? How much longer are you going to allow these right-wing robots to drone on, silencing the electorate !!? Fanaticism now carries the seal of approval of the Republican/Libertarian Party. Why am I not surprised !!? Palin, a separatist and former governor of a state, championing a Limpbag impersonator !! Thanks, Senator McCain for your predilection for failure, you sure picked a winner this time !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Conservatives of all people should create a great gulf between themselves and the likes of Beck, Malkin, Limbaugh, et al. If you don't understand why, you're part of the problem.

The drooling Wingnutters on here wouldn't know what fascism was if it smacked them in the face. They wouldn't know what it is because the GOPer puppetsticks SUPPORT IT.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9mYCU0mH7w
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navtech,

Your comments are beneath contempt.
Hitler was a right wing fascist. Look up Nazi, fascism, and the words 'right wing' are prominent in the definition.

Sorry, but if it quacks like a fascist, you are a fascist, right winger.

The BushCo Republicans gave us what? Record deficits, record foreign debt, record trade deficits, butchering the middle class, letting the financial sector run wild with absolutely no oversight and those are a just a few things.

The American people are not stupid, they don't blame Pres Obama for the fiscal condition of this country.

Silva,

I will say, you flushed every loon out of the bushes for on this one. Did they change your contract that you get paid by the number of posts to the Swamp.

Come on Dangle, ravbleckie, 'weezel',
Hitler was the closet thing the Germans had to a conservative Republican. Looky here; not everybody can be left winger. Now, who are the right wingers? The commies? What?!

Are there no right wingers?

I await your earp inducing gangrenous gas cloud of twisted rhetoric.

"Notice how liberals always revert to ad homonym attacks when they've got nothing else?
Posted by: weasel | August 27, 2009 7:01 PM"

Weasel,
Here's the definition. Please read and study.

ad hominem |ˈad ˈhämənəm|
adverb & adjective
1 (of an argument or reaction) arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic.
• attacking an opponent’s motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain : vicious ad hominem attacks.

This describes Glenn Beck perfectly.
This would apply to everyone attacking BHO as a fascist, Nazi, Marxist terrorist, racist.

You hive people need to get a dictionary.

BTW, the first task of the fascist is to turn the meaning of words and logic inside out.

You people quack like a fascist.

CM,
Here's what I THINK the hive is beating.
Dems,Liberals, Progressives, Socialists, Left Wingers, Communists, are Right Wingers!!
The Republicans, Cons., Libertarians, Right Wingers and Anarchists are, Left Wingers!!
Brilliant, I say!

"Where are the regular media in raising questions about the backgrounds of the people Obama is appointing czars and advisers with no constitutional authority and no public vetting process?"

Same place they were when such power was given to "the architect" Karl Rove, LOL!

"Here's what I THINK the hive is beating."

Creak,
That's hilarious. Their propaganda ministry seems to have lost it's GPS unit.

Now they only have to decide who is the Queen Bee; Sarah or Becky?

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Posted by: C.Morris✧ | August 27, 2009 5:22 PM
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You’ve been missing an important distinction in your account of history. The National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP - later the Nazis) clearly embraced socialism, especially for its collectivism and the use of the state to dispense their version of social “justice.” However, they did not embrace all forms of socialism. They were acutely hostile toward Marxism and many of its doctrines. The Nazis totally disagreed with the Marxist ideology concerning the struggle of the proletariat - or that such a struggle was inevitable. They also disagreed with Marxists that socialism ought to be fostered internationally as a “brotherhood” (as opposed to locally), and without regard to race. (The Nazis were only interested in the welfare of the ethnic German “volk” to the exclusion of others; and they had no plans of ending their vilification of what they called “internationalist” Marxist Jews.) Nazis also disagreed with the Marxists on the need for state control (i.e. common ownership) over the means of production; opting instead for strict control by the state over private enterprise for the benefit of workers (in theory, anyway). Thus, when the Nazis took aim (literally) at socialists and communists before and during the downfall of the Weimar Republic, they were targeting the “international” (i.e. Marxist) socialists, communists, and their allies.
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The distinctions between Marxist, non-Marxist and other forms of socialism is something that is often lost on Americans, even though these differences set them apart from each other like day and night. This is a distinction, however, in which most Europeans are well versed. Socialism, as a social and economic philosophy, was developed in France approximately a century before Marx put pen to paper. In its original (and current) form, socialism didn’t (and doesn’t) include such Hegelian / Marxist notions as historical evolution of man and society through class struggle. Many Europeans are happy to embrace socialism as a form of ensuring social justice regardless of whether it causes men or society to evolve into something better. George Orwell, for instance, was a democratic socialist, but also quite anti-Marxist and anti-soviet. (Animal Farm and 1984 are both critiques of soviet style socialism/communism.) His service in the Spanish Civil War did that to him. French socialists have been in charge of the French government for approximately twenty of the last thirty years without implementing features peculiar to Marxism.
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The bottom line is that Nazis, social democrats and communists all embraced “socialism” in one form or another. However, they were all very different in the way they wished to implement it - and so much so, that they developed mutual hostility toward one another. Hence, it is a categorical error to claim (as you have) that someone can’t be “left” and still reject socialism or communism. Not only is it possible, history has shown that it has happened.
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You can also give up arguing with anyone about what is “left-wing” or “right-wing” because these terms mean very different things to different people. The original formulation of the “left - right” political continuum involved the distinction between classical liberalism (on the left) versus authoritarianism and statism on the right. (In the French Parliament, the King’s men and Aristocrats sat on the right side of the legislative hall and the classical liberals sat on the left.) Using that distinction to divide left from right, communists, fascists, Nazis, Democrats and Republicans can all have their positions plotted to the right of center - owing to their preference for a dominant government against the rights and interests of individuals.
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It gets more confusing because the “liberal - authoritarian” scale isn’t what most people have in mind when they refer to “left” or “right” today. Instead, those on the left are characterized as “egalitarian,” while those on the right are “traditionalists” and particularly “capitalists.” Thus, the position of a classical liberal would be plotted to the left of center on the traditional left - right continuum, but far to the right on the “egalitarian - traditionalist” divide. (However, you might be happy to know that Democrats would be on the “left” and Republicans on the “right” using this distinction.) Then again, Nazis could be found on both right and left points on the “egalitarian - traditionalist” continuum due to the various positions they took. Furthermore, neither of the two “left” - “right” divides take into consideration the foreign policy of a given party or ideology. That makes them even less relevant in our shrinking world and the global economy. In other words, there is no good way to distinguish political and social ideologies other than to compare them point by point. Notions of “left” and “right” just don’t work very well any more.
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Barack Obama and Democrats adhere to policies that are not unlike other socialists in Europe today. They believe in the collectivization of the American public, the central distribution of benefits, the redistribution of wealth, the indoctrination of individuals with regard to social and cultural values, and a strong central government to implement their policies and notions of social justice.
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However, I must agree with you that, their socialist leanings notwithstanding, Democrats cannot be appropriately viewed or labeled as “Nazis.” That’s not because they aren’t left or because Nazism is peculiar to the “right.” It’s because Democrats don’t favor one ethnic group, or even a few ethnic groups, over others - and their aim isn’t to collectivize for the benefit of one such group. Again, the main difference between Nazis and other socialists is that Nazis believed in local socialism within one national, ethnic group. Until the Democrats go there, they can’t be Nazis.

I also love how the right praises the amount of viewers. In 1924 there were approximately 2-8 million members in the KKK. Miserable loves company.

"However, I must agree with you that, their socialist leanings notwithstanding, Democrats cannot be appropriately viewed or labeled as “Nazis.” That’s not because they aren’t left or because Nazism is peculiar to the “right.” It’s because Democrats don’t favor one ethnic group, or even a few ethnic groups, over others - and their aim isn’t to collectivize for the benefit of one such group. Again, the main difference between Nazis and other socialists is that Nazis believed in local socialism within one national, ethnic group. Until the Democrats go there, they can’t be Nazis."

Amen! Amen! Amen! Well, written piece of statement.

JW.
Thank you for your comments.

The link from Crazytown must have been severed.

HELLO!!......Hello.......hello.........hello....

Did anyone really believe Obama would unify the country? He was bound to fail at that, just as Bush and Clinton were bound to fail at that. Because we are a culture that values the opinions of others, yet we increasingly have a fed govt that enforces centralized, top down decisions on all of us. The virulence predates Jefferson/ Hamilton, and will exist in proportion to "solutions" to our societal problems being handled by centralized force (fed govt). Democracy itself becomes more inefficent as its scope increases past limited govt ideals.
So, it is either this, or dissent becomes unpatriotic, and we all fall behind a "Supreme Leader" type. Yeesh. Maybe people should read the 10th Amendment again.