Tom DeLay: Obama's 'gift certificate'

Why do these silly stories continue to occupy valuable space in the media?

Barack Obama has been a US citizen since his birth in Hawaii. This is without doubt. Those who perpetuate the conspiracy theory that he was born elsewhere or on a different date should be IGNORED.

On the other hand, a reasonable question of law is: What is the intent of the Constitutional requirement of natural born citizen? The Constitution does not define natural born citizen. No US statute designates anyone to be a natural born citizen. And, although the Supreme Court has designated some individuals to be natural born citizens, each of these individuals has had two US citizen parents at the time of birth.

These stories about WHERE or WHEN the president was born is a smoke screen distraction from the real question of law. Pay not attention to the man behind the curtain.

There is much evidence that the intent of natural born citizen requirement of the Constitution is that the individual be free of foreign allegiances at the time of birth. Being free of foreign allegiances at the time of birth is, in general, an objective fact. Whether an individual develops foreign sympathies after birth is a subjective and unmeasurable attribute. But the individual's situation at the moment of birth is measurable and objective.

The founders were paranoid about foreign influence (where individual liberty has never been championed) as the quickest way to lose the new Republic.

Let's look at what the president has said about the circumstances of his birth: He was born in Hawaii, sometime in the 1960's, his father was a British subject Kenyan citizen, and he was too at the time of his birth. Isn't there enough common ground that we can agree on (foreign citizenship at birth) to spark eligibility questions? Why focus on that which is indisputable (where he was born) and inconsequential considering the first question?

Leo Donofrio has been saying for a year or more that both Barack Obama and John McCain are constitutionally ineligible. His is a thorough and accessible analysis of the question of law: what is a natural born citizen. He is well sourced and entertains all perspectives respectfully. Find out more at naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

The birthers are no more credible than the Rosie O'Donnell crew of "9-11 was an inside job".

Until someone produces a Kenyan birth certificate, this should be a non-issue. However, Silva will keep reporting this in oprder to paint all conservatives with this brush.

What the Hey!! We don't need to read or hear of another write-up from this crook from Texas. DeLay go home!! Remember the republicans never do anything FOR this country, they only do things TO this country!! whiteagle38

Is there nothing that disgraced Wingnuts like BugMan Delay won't do to get on TV?

Newt, I'm looking at you
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This just shows you how diverged the political conversations have become in this country thanks to right-wing propaganda outlets like Fixed News and the Wingnut AM Hate Radio morons.

Democrats are debating how to tackle health care and whether a public option works best and how best to get costs under control....

Meanwhile, the Republican party has become fixated on non existent healthcare death panels and the idea that Barack Obama's family faked his birth certificate 47 years ago, knowing he would run for President eventually and need a cover story?!?!

It's not surprising that the Repugs can't win elections anymore.

What the Hey! Health insurance is a racket dreamed up by the insurance company's. Everyone gets health care, or no one gets health care. National health care for all, or no health care for teachers, police, firemen, postal workers, military, federal employee's, state employee's, local government employee's, or anyone else that gets health care paid for by the tax payer. Everyone gets health care or no one gets healtlh care! PERIOD!! And while we are at it no pensions paid for by the tax payer!! PERIOD! HEALTH CARE FOR ALL, WITH OR WITHOUT THE RIGHT WING NUTS!! whiteagle38

Anyone ever read Obama's thesis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEh_F1LJwoo

WHY?

BREAL

VERY SIMPLE.....

LETS SEE THE HAWAII VAULT COPY BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

AND WE ALL GO AWAY...

Mark, please stop peddling this "birth certificate." It is NOT the original.
Anyway, DeLay said that he isn't a birther, he just asked Obimbo to produce the actual birth certificate. Why is it such a big deal to produce the actual birth certificate? I am generally of the belief that he was born in Hawaii, but I also don't see why the original birth certificate cannot be shown. I can produce my own, if asked, why can't Obimbo?

I Silva this unknowledgeable or is he trying to look dumb? Hawaii issues a certificate of live birth and a long form birth certificate. All Obama has released is the certificate of live birth, not the long form birth certificate.

Now, Hawaii says they have the long form birth certificate and that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is no reason to doubt that. But, Hawaii cannot release the long form without Obama's permission. Obama refuses to give permission. So,, the question is not whether Obama was born in Hawaii, but what else is on that birth certificate that Obama wants to remain hidden.

I would expect Silva to understand the difference between the certificate of live birth and the long form birth certificate. Apparently, I would be wrong.

Rick

Tom Delay and the after-birthers are a testament to how far the Repugs have fallen. The infamous "K Street Project" is also a solemn reminder of how "absolute power corrupts absolutely", and the bug man was up to his eyeballs in it.
Put some Angel Flights on this cretin and you have Delay doing disco:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnummFLTAYU

Tom Delay is a felon-
and a despicable human being

Dancing with the Stars just lost a lot of viewers -

As fast as obama's numbers are falling in the polls...we may not need to see his "real birth certificate."

On the Canadian side of Niagra Falls today we saw more obama joker posters (the size of baseball cards) stuck all over the guard railings....I had to laugh.

Paulo

We need your HELP, and hope you encourage your colleagues to report on this as well. We are starting to see people bring loaded weapons to meeting where the President is attending. This has never been allowed to happen with any previous President, and should not be allowed to start now. The right to bear arms is one thing, but when it threatens the security of our President, there is no right greater than his right to be protected. If the President was on a foreign trip and their citizens brought loaded fire arms to where the President was, claiming that it was their right, we would be outraged. Obama is this Nation first Black President, and if for some unfortunate reason he gets shot it will most certainly start a race riot, and this is something that we don’t need and will scar this Country forever. There might be many that will like for this to happen, but as you well know it will destroy the Country. So please report on this and encourage your colleagues to express their disgust with this crazy behavior, Please, Please help stop this madness. Our Secret service is already under enormous strain protecting the President against countless other threats, from bombs to just about everything else that can be imagined. So imagine for a second having fifty people or more showing up at a Presidential event packing loaded weapons, this is a disaster waiting to happen! By having White Supremacist and other questionable groups and individuals lurking out there, this is something that should be taken quite serious. The People of this Country have always relied on the media to be the voice of average citizens, when their voice has other wise gone unheard. If there were ever a time for the News Media to intervene, I think that this should most definitely be that time?

VERY SIMPLE.....

LETS SEE THE HAWAII VAULT COPY BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

AND WE ALL GO AWAY...

Posted by: jim | August 19, 2009 10:11 PM

Ya right! As if that would stop you morons from claiming it was altered.

Oh no Jim, please stay as long as you possibly can....

(from another blog:)

“A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn’t born in the US (28 percent) or aren’t sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.”

That’s nuts. No wonder Obama isn’t releasing his birth certificate, it’s making a big chunk of Republicans look like loons.

Again not helpful in pulling the center to the right.

Posted by: jim | August 19, 2009 10:11 PM

Hey, are you trying for a free trip to Hawaii to see it?

As far as natural, are the "birthers" going to say cesarean sections are not "natural" births next?

i am not a follower. i am capable of reading, researching and drawing my own conclusions. I unlike aparently most younger americans and so called liberals, I will never follow on blind faith and comatose belief that kind of thinking can get you in big trouble!
i have researched the obama thing and keeping race and comatose intelligence out of it I see no proof whatsoever that Obama is qualified, all i ask is show the documents ALL OF THEM! birth, school, finances, political records, etc. and if they are not phony then i will believe. it is my right as part of WE THE PEOPLE a US citizen and exercising my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (REMEMBER THAT DOCUMENT, OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON IT) in case you forgot or went comatose all these politicians are less than honorable and it is time we cleaned house and took back our country, vote out the bad apples!
want to put this to bed it is simple show us the documents!!!!!!

In actual news, the "Cash for Clunkers" program is a clunker. From Breitbart:

“Hundreds of auto dealers in the New York area have withdrawn from the government’s Cash for Clunkers program, citing delays in getting reimbursed by the government, a dealership group said Wednesday. The Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, which represents dealerships in the New York metro area, said about half its 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates. They’re also worried about getting repaid.”

By law dealers are to be reimbursed within 10 days. But only 2% of the claims have so far been reimbursed, as the government bureaucracy has been unable to process claims as quickly as promised. Many dealers are refusing to trash the clunkers until they get reimbursed.

But don't worry. Government Health Care will work perfectly.

DeLay is an idiot. Must be the exterminator chemicals from his past. It is funny to hear DeLay talk about principles on Hannity. Apparently he doesn't know what the word means. There is a related post at http://iamsoannoyed.com/?page_id=588

As a McCain voter and a Registered Republican (although I have always voted split tickets) I say to DeLay, Tom , wake up and smell the coffee. Obama was born in Hawaii and that is it. To many of those questioning Obama's birth certificate, you are sounding like many of the goofy things the Left Wing Crazies of the Democratic Party come up with. This is a non-issue. The GOP has so many other important issues that Obama is on the wrong side of to go after him on, but this is not one of them. Fortunately for the GOP no currently elected Republican leaders are questioning Obama's birth. We need to move on to more important things.

Nice try, Mr. Silva, but this is what a 1961 long-form BC from Hawaii looks like: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

Stop pushing that COLB as if it's an original birth certificate.

Of course, maybe we should be challenging Obama's sanity instead of his eligibility since he would rather pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to his lawyers to prevent the release of his original BC than spend $15 and authorize its release.

What are you trying to hide, Obama?

Jim, if only we could believe that.

The "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii looks almost identical to the "Certification of Birth" I received from Cook County that I used to apply for my passport last year.

Given the heightened international travel security since 9/11/01, if that document was good enough for a passport, it is good enough for anything. It is time for these ridiculous, far-right "birhters" to drop it. You only look silly. For crying out loud, you even have Bill O'Reilly defending Obama on this one!!!

And had McCain been elected, there would certainly be a wacky-left fringe element saying he's not qualified because of the issues surrounding his Panama Canal zone birth. And they would be just as silly as what we are seeing from the far-right now.

Delay is an unprincipled, unpatriotic moron. Here's a man who, to avoid combat in VietNam, became a pest exterminator. He's the very last person who should be talking about morals and values. Obama is a U.S. citizen who was born in Hawaii. Get over it whiny losers.

Alison claims tom Delay is a felon. Perhaps, alison would be kind enough to reference the trial where he was convicted. Oh wait, she can't. Ronnie Earle, on the second try, managed to get an indictment, but never got as far as a trial. Alison may remember that after Ronnie Earle got an indictment for something that wasn't a crime. He got a different grand jury to issue an immediate indictment on a different charge so as not to have egg on his face. Ronnie Earle is a laughing stock in Austin. It is good he retired.

What is the price someone like alison should pay for making a false claim. Can we expect, at least, a mea culpa? Doubtful.

Rick

True Patriot, thanks for that link. The certificate is similar to the one I have of my birth and I was born in 1962, one year after Obimbo.
So, if I can produce my birth certificate why can't Obimbo? Again, I am generally of the belief that he was born here, but I also believe he should produce the proof.

Little Johnny D,
You don't have your ORIGINAL birth certificate. You have a COPY of the original. The state holds onto the ORIGINAL. You are short on facts once again, Little Johny Journalist

It's both amazing and sad how many people still question Obama's place of birth, but I have this to say to them - please keep it up. You may think you are being patriotic and that you represent the majority of conservatives in this country. Fortunately, you don't, but your antics are a constant reminder to the majority of Americans that we have to stay involved and motivated so our country doesn't ever revert back to the reactionary mess of the Bush years.

Delay was drunk as a skunk last night. I'm sure this was "fun" for Matthews but they shouldn't allow drunks to be on air.

Why isn't Delay in jail yet? All you birthers can go pound sand. Obama has supplied all the material he is going to supply about your BS birth certificate crap, so get over your delusions and deal with it. Barack Hussein Obama is the President of the United States and does not report to right wing loons like John D, Paulo, Terry and the rest of that ilk. By the way where has Jerry White been? Holed up at home clutching his gun, no doubt. Oh well, I miss him.

Funny these same idiots who still question his birth certificate are the same ones who believe they could see the face of Jesus in Delay's mug shot.

Dead issue! Let's move on..

Sure looks like Delay got a facelift and a spray on tan.

Birther is now known as a derogatory term. Someone who is not to bright or unable to reason. We use it in our office for idiots or someone who screws thing up. It certainly does not make the Republican party look good.

Hey pd - thanks for the chuckle.

While you're calling people "idiots" because you disagree with their positions, your grammar is speaking volumes about you.

"Someone who is not to [too] bright or unable [able] to reason".

BTW, I'm not a Republican and I don't know of any Republicans who care enough about the U.S. Constitution to be concerned over the eligibility of Obama vis-à-vis natural born citizenship.

Why continue to post comments from so many crackpot "birthers". Bottom line: they lost the election; they're racist, and their more than a little nuts. I'd like to be on one of their ficticous death squads.

Dumb Dumb Janet, the point is I have a copy of the original that looks similar to the one linked to. Where is Obama's copy? And why can't he produce a copy of the original or have the state produce the original? That is the point, darlin. But then, you are Dumb Dumb Janet.

Dumb dumb John D.,
What is the precedent for Obama to produce a birth certificate?? Did boy George Bush produce his birth certificate?? Obama is a U.S. citizen who ws born in Hawaii. A copy of his birth certificate has been posted on the internet for months now. You're an ignorant quack who can't accept the fact McCain/ Palin were smeared all over the map on 11/04/08 and that Obama now occupies the White House. Get over it loony one.

@ Doug R.

“What is the precedent for Obama to produce a birth certificate??”

McCain released a copy of his original BC when his eligibility under the Constitutional requirement to be a Natural Born citizen was questioned.

“Obama is a U.S. citizen who ws [sic] born in Hawaii.”

Whether or not he is a U.S. citizen is not the question. The question is whether or not he is a Natural Born citizen. You shouldn’t make the assertion if you don’t understand the difference.

“A copy of his birth certificate has been posted on the internet for months now.”

A copy of his COLB was posted. Again, you shouldn’t make the assertion if you don’t understand the difference. This is what a copy of his original BC would look like, if he has one: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105347

“You're an ignorant quack who can't accept the fact McCain/ Palin were smeared all over the map on 11/04/08 and that Obama now occupies the White House. Get over it loony one.”

If you have to resort to name-calling, you’ve already lost the argument.

Where is Obama's copy?
Posted by: John D | August 20, 2009 3:20 PM

Gosh John...had you been this diligent with the Iraq intel....we could have saved thousands of lives and fortune to pay for healthcare.

Really Doug R???
Before you go around calling people dumb, dumb, dumb...go find out what a "certificate of live birth" [is] vs. a BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
And please tell us where obama's "birth certificate has been posted on the internet for months now" web site...oh, you can't, can you? Because it's sealed in a vault in Hawaii---kinda like his college and medical records...

Paulo

I had an encounter with the editorial department of our local paper the South Bend Tribune over the birther issue that explains how the media works today. We had a column in Sunday's paper denigrating the birthers but what bothered me was that he was trying to portray that this is some wide spread movement by most if not all of the conservative movement. I submitted a rebuttal to the "voice of the people" with my opinion that the issue is being manipulated by the administration and if they release his long form birth-certificate the discussion would be over. When the paper called me to verify I sent the letter (their normal procedure) the head of the editorial page wanted to argue with me that he has released it. When I tried to explain he has released only the certificate of live birth and it's not the same thing, she wouldn't believe me and said the paper couldn't print false statements, basically she wouldn't allow my letter to be printed unless I changed that line. Very sad commentary

Timmy,

There are probably a lot of things a conservative thinker like myself and you a liberal can disagree on and when that occurs, feel free to make those IQ = 40 liberal remarks. However, on this issue - I think we agree. Here is my post from above "The birthers are no more credible than the Rosie O'Donnell crew of "9-11 was an inside job".

Until someone produces a Kenyan birth certificate, this should be a non-issue. However, Silva will keep reporting this in oprder to paint all conservatives with this brush."

Just go back and watch SouthPark

DCBiker John: excellent recap of the real issue. Problem is that most people think that "citizen" is the same as "natural born citizen", one of the requirements to be president. There is no way, however, to convince the dweebs who want to argue over his birth certificate or who state that "he was born in the U,S., so he is a citizen and eligible to be president" that there is a very serious constitutional question being presented that no one with the power to do so wants to resolve. Only the federal courts can make this decision, but, as with Dinofrio, refuse to grant standing to an ordinary citizen to raise the challenge.

Did you ignorant, desperate so-called citizens not see the announcement of his birth in the Honolulu newspaper? How does THAT fit into your bizarre theory??? I'm sure that with your mentality you'll come up with SOME ridiculous explanation!! You're pathetic, EVERY one OF YOU!!!

Brooklyn lives in a strange world. Now, he is telling us that a birth announcement in a local paper is some kind of proof. Try taking you birth announcement to the passport office and getting a passport. Let me know when you are going, so I can stop by and watch. It should be quite a short conversation.

Rick

Yeah - everyone gets health care or no one gets it! Yeah, that's the ticket.

And while we're out there making everything fair and square - I want to be making what movie stars and professional athelets are making. Everyone gets paid $6 million a year, or no one gets paid $6 million a year!

Yeah - the US has become the nation of everyone gets what everyone else has, or we don't want anyone to have anything. Because we certainly don't want to get out there and work for what we all want equally! We want the government to hand it to us all - equally.

If no one is out there working, and we make everything even steven - just where do you think the money is going to come from to give you - your fair share? Geeze people - didn't your mommy and daddy tell you that LIFE AIN'T FAIR?

I watched this segment and I have to say, he was hammered! Slurring his words, mispronouncing words, and using wrong words, it was hilarious. Why isn't he in jail on that corruption charge? For him to claim that people asking him if he's a resident of Texas is the same thing as people doubting whether the President was born here is just false. It's not the same at all. Go have a drink, Tom!

Where is John McCain's birth certificate?

Who's going to believe ex-convict Tom Delay? The Dems didn't convict / imprison him. He committed acts that resulted in being convicted and imprisoned. C'mon - wealthy people have a hand up in our justice system. We all know that. If a rich, influential white guy is convicted and sentenced, obviously he's guilty. Delay is also irrelevant, a joke. He's laughable and despicable all in one. He can flash his arrogant, deviant smile. The majority of us just turn him off. Tom Delay is just another ex-convict. The difference between him and Michael "Bow Wow" Vick: Vick has a job.

And while we're out there making everything fair and square - I want to be making what movie stars and professional athelets are making. Everyone gets paid $6 million a year, or no one gets paid $6 million a year!

Posted by: Sally Hill | August 21, 2009 3:58 PM

What a dumb donkey! Comparing celebritiy salaries to insuring poor children. Good one.

How dumb are you people? Are you really that stupid that you can't see Obama is a fraud? He's hiding something nitwits. He has shown NOTHING. He has spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers to keep all this hidden. Every person that applies for a govt job must show many documents BEFORE they can get a job. Original documents like passport, social security card and more. And does anyone else think that Obama is trying to push all his socialist programs through so fast because he knows he will be caught soon? Something to think about.

People who laugh at the "Birthers" don't seem to know the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Birth Certificate." Pull out your own birth certificate, and see if it has fingerprints, a footprint, and doctors signatures. Apparently, Obama's young mother was too far long to fly before his birth in Kenya, which his own grandmother says she witnessed (in Kenya). Soon afterwards, they did fly to Hawaii, where they registered the birth - hence the "Certifcate of Live Birth." So what, he's a popular president, even if he's not a legal one, right? I guess it depends on how important you consider the Constitution to be. Legally, if Obama was born out of the country, his Dad was Kenyan and his Mom was too young, and too long out of the country, for Obama to qualify as American born, then his election should be nullified, but I doubt that will ever happen, regardless of the facts.