EPA greenhouse gas regulations coming: The Swamp
The Swamp
Chicago Tribune
Posted September 30, 2009 3:40 PM
The Swamp

by Jim Tankersley

The Environmental Protection Agency announced plans today to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from power plants, factories and oil refineries - a warning shot to Congress that if it does not move to curb global warming, the Obama administration will act on its own.

The proposed regulation would apply to large-scale industrial sources of the heat-trapping gases which scientists blame for climate change but not to smaller sources, such as new schools, as some critics of EPA action had feared. It will force new - or substantially modified - industrial emitters to "demonstrate the use of best available control technologies and energy efficiency measures" to minimize greenhouse gas emissions, according to the EPA.

That approach mimics how EPA forces power plants and factories to install "scrubbers" and other means of limiting many types of air pollutants.

But it's unclear how, exactly, it would apply in the case of greenhouse gases. Researchers are still studying and have yet to deploy a commercial-scale method to capture and store carbon emissions from coal plants, for example.

EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson will detail the plans in a speech this afternoon at Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Global Climate Summit in Los Angeles.

"By using the power and authority of the Clean Air Act, we can begin reducing emissions from the nation's largest greenhouse gas emitting facilities without placing an undue burden on the businesses that make up the vast majority of our economy," Jackson said in a statement released by the agency. "This is a common sense rule that is carefully tailored to apply to only the largest sources - those from sectors responsible for nearly 70 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions sources."

The move follows an EPA proposal to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and trucks, which initially was announced in May by President Obama and automotive executives. It stems from a 2007 Supreme Court decision, in a case filed by environmentalists, which held that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants subject to regulation under the Clean Air Act.

The proposal would regulate only emitters who produce more than 25,000 tons of greenhouse gases, a departure from the text of the Clean Air Act, which requires regulation of any source that produces more than 250 tons of a pollutant covered under the Act.

Industry lobbyists questioned how the EPA would justify the change.

"The real question is whether this would stand up in court," said Jeff Holmstead, who headed the EPA air office under former President George W. Bush and now is a partner for the lobbying firm of Bracewell and Giuliani in Washington.

EPA officials announced the proposed industrial source regulations today hours after Senate Democrats unveiled their starting version of the global warming bill that passed the House in June. The House bill would prohibit the EPA from regulating greenhouse gas emissions The Senate bill, as proposed, would not.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), the chair of the environment committee and an architect of the draft climate bill, has repeatedly used the threat of EPA regulation to prod her colleagues to deal with warming. Her co-author of the bill, Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) called the climate issue "one of the most important battles we will ever face as legislators or citizens" at a press conference this morning.

"We need to act," Kerry said. "Not in six months. Not in 10 years or 20 years. We need to act now, for America and the world."

Some environmental groups, including Greenpeace, criticized the draft bill for not cutting emissions quickly or deeply enough. Republicans criticized its potential effect on the economy.

The bill, said Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), "appears to be even more expensive for consumers and for our economy than the bill that passed (by) the House. The last thing American families need right now is to be hit with a new energy tax every time they flip on a lightswitch, or fill up their car--but that's exactly what this bill would do."

Both the House bill and the Senate draft would tackle global warming differently than the EPA proposal. Instead of requiring "best available technology" on new or modified industrial sources, the bills would force emitters to obtain permits for their greenhouse gases. The permits would shrink over time, limiting the nation's total emissions.

News of the EPA proposal and the Senate bill introduction came as international climate negotiators gathered in Bangkok to prepare for global warming treaty talks in December. Observers said all eyes there were on Washington and its willingness to limit U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

Participants in Bangkok are "focused on what the US can deliver, since lack of US leadership has been the single most stumbling block to progress internationally," Jake Schmidt, international climate policy director for the Natural Resources Defense Council, wrote in an email from Thailand. "They are reading two chapters at the same time - one the international negotiating text and the other the Senate bill."

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We kan't hav reglations on pollutin stuff, tats how we make money!


And do not even think about regulating ta Wall Streat guys ObAma, cause theys be good to me an ma dog Glenn.



Jackson said in a statement released by the agency. "This is a common sense rule that is carefully tailored to apply to only the largest sources - those from sectors responsible for nearly 70 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions sources."


Oh, what the heck! If Congress won't get with the program, Obama's EPA will just make up new rules. But wait, is this another knee jerk reaction, a "must do it now" or the world will stop spinning?


The urgency placed on every idea coming from the White House is getting like the boy who cried wolf. Maybe, just maybe our federal government should take a step back for a minute or two and actually "think" about what it is they are proposing.


"But it's unclear how, exactly, it would apply in the case of greenhouse gases. Researchers are still studying and have yet to deploy a commercial-scale method to capture and store carbon emissions from coal plants, for example."

Sure, they'll fix it with more regulations. However, they seem to have no idea of how the regulations can be met?


Onca again a solution in search of a problem.

Tempatures have cooled over the past decade. George Bush was in office - he must get credit according to the liberal way of thinking (using the word very loosely)


Tempatures have cooled over the past decade. George Bush was in office - he must get credit according to the liberal way of thinking (using the word very loosely)

Posted by: Terry | September 30, 2009 4:49 PM
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Yeah, and the Earth is Flat and Jaysus rode a dinosaur.


Terri learned all he needed to know in his home schooled fantasy fun land, taught by Mommy Terri in the basement.
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Sure, they'll fix it with more regulations. However, they seem to have no idea of how the regulations can be met?

Posted by: springfield | September 30, 2009 4:13 PM
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Wow, it sounds like Springfield the Clown forgot to take his meds again.



The debate on climate change is no longer even a debate. The verdict is in and has been in for a long time. There is a 90% chance that the earth is warming due to man-made carbon emissions. It's a waste of brain cells even addressing morons like John D and Terry who will pull out every fringe lunatic meteorologist that tries to debunk climate change because it's colder than normal somewhere. Of course, they represent the lunatic 10% fringe of the fringe and should be treated as such anyway.

The debate is over.


Anti-Terry, er John E., please do not STEAL my lines about you still living in mummy's and duddy's basement. Come up with your own stuff.
Anyway, Anti-Terry, er John E., er Dumb Dumb Janet, the FACT is temperatures have cooled the past couple of years, so if you want to say one is a flat earther, look in the mirror. The fact is man cannot alter the climate and is not altering the climate. Earth and space have been altering the climate for millions and millions of years now. The tsuanmi several years ago was not caused by man, which many of you Loons have contended and the tsunami yesterday was not caused by man. Man did not cause Katrina or Andrew or any other hurricane. Man does not cause tornadoes.
Anyway, this garbage from the Garbage Badministration will only result in more jobs lost, just like the 3 million jobs lost since Garbage became president and the 13,000 jobs that will be lost when Saturn closes and the thousands of jobs lost when Pontiac closes and the thousands of jobs lost when Garbage shut down thousands of GM and Chrysler car dealerships earlier this year.


Well, let's see; there's Terry, John D, and those 31, 478 pesky scientists who aren't receiving federal grant or stimulus money to perpetuate an agenda.

http://www.petitionproject.org/

But what do they know? We'd much rather listen to your hysterics and allow you to continue your wealth redistribution, unemployable JohnEE.


How quickly they forget:


Presumptive GOP presidential nominee John McCain is using the idea of global togetherness to promote “a cap-and-trade system” to battle climate change. He said “Americans and Europeans need to get serious about substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions in the coming years or we will hand over a much-diminished world to our grandchildren.”


We can reduce Greenhouse gases by 50% if someone would just put a sock in Terry and John D's mouths.


The Climate change bill will bring out more of the same crazy eyed right wing shouters that healthcare reform has, you watch.


It's amazing the way the Republican party can get the low/middle income, dumber than a bag of rocks rubes who make up their base to go out and protest against their own well being and for huge corporations (Big Oil, Corporate Health Insurance Industry etc) who want to crush them.


Without Corporate lobbyist groups (Freedom Works) and the right wing media (Faux), does anyone seriously believe that all of those doughy middle aged white guys would be out shouting down health care town halls and marching on DC with misspelled Teabagger signs?



Terry, John, and the rest of you who dont believe in Global warming and its effects on Climate change. Fine whatever.. Lets take a different perspective on this ok. How about doing this to clean up the air anyway? Do your research on all the people that die each year due to smog and dangerous ozone levels due to smog. Aren't these good enough reasons to clean up our act?


Well, let's see; there's Terry, John D, and those 31, 478 pesky scientists who aren't receiving federal grant or stimulus money to perpetuate an agenda.
Posted by: JohnEE Science Kit | September 30, 2009 7:50 PM
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Any idiot can say they're a Scientist and sign a petition, you did.


I'm not saying that the Right and Big Oil etc doesn't pay off some Scentists to get them to publish the results that they want, they do.


Try again, and quit drooling all over this thread will ya?



Billy,

And you wonder why moderate Republicans never win presidential elections?

Grumpy,

If can't argue the issue, just have the opposition put a sock in it. How does my typing increase greenhouse gases?

Scottie,

That would be an intellectually honest argument to argue for clean air - too bad that's not the left's goal. The goal is for gov't control of economic output. Global warming prevention is just the vehicle.

I'll reduce my global footprint as soon as Pelosi gives up her jet. Until then Scottie, I don't want to be lectured by a bunch of hypocrits


Scot, I have been very consistent on this from the beginning: There is nothing wrong with cleaner air and we have cleaner air. So-called global warming has little to do with cleaner air, though.
The reality is to accomplish what the Global warming enthusiasts desire would end up meaning folks will pay several times more to heat and cool their homes, which lots of environmentalists would love to happen. The other reality is that whatever is left of the U.S. manufacturing industry will leave to India and China where they won't face cap and trade.
Unfortunately, so far MOST so-called alternative energies cannot do the job of fossil fuels, whether oil, natural gas or coal. All of those can be used relatively cleanly. Nuclear power also is a solid way to get the energy we need and it seems some Leftists are taking a fresh look at nuclear power, a positive look.
Environmentalists hail electric cars. The car may not emit fumes, but in order for the electric car to work it will have to get plugged into an outlet, which means more emissions at the power plant.
There is a sensible balance between keeping the environment clean and using fossil fuels. The Left needs to realize that.


Any idiot ('Scentists') can take borrowed Chinese money from the US governMINT to fund a half-baked study and scream that the sky is falling and the earth is heating up. You bought it, and you're an idiot.

Who can forget it was only in the 1970s that "the planet was headed for a catastrophic global cooling. On April 28, 1975, Newsweek printed an article titled, "The Cooling World," in which the magazine warned: "There are ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production-with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth."

Time magazine responded June 24, 1974 declaring: "However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades."

In 1974 the National Science Board, the governing body of the National Science Foundation, stated: "During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade." Two years earlier, the board had observed: "Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end...leading into the next glacial age.""

- The Science of Climate Change
Senate U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe,
Chairman, Committee on
Environment and Public Works


Posted by: Unemployable JohnEE-Janet-etc..etc... | October 1, 2009 9:01 PM

Yes while the Northern Hemisphere and Europe are showing some cooling trends that does not negate the fact that the overall 20th-century warming is unprecedented! In any case, no single scientific finding could bring conviction by itself, but only in conjunction with many other lines of evidence. Regardless of how temperature had changed in past centuries, there are strong reasons to believe it is rising rapidly now and would rise still more in the future.
Last year marked the lowest levels of Arctic ice ever recorded and that ice continues to melt at an alarming rate. Greenland is losing significant ice mass: in 2007 it lost over 270 billion tonnes!!
NASA tsays the global temperatures have risen 0.7 to 1.4 degrees F in the last 30 years. While it may be colder in some regions its also much hotter and dryer in most others!

http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/global_warming_worldbook.html


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