by Mark Silva and updated
Since Joe Wilson Joe-Wilsoned President Barack Obama, who has publicly accepted the Joe Wilson apology for the Joe-Wilsoning that he got from Joe Wilson during the presidential address to a joint session of Congress, where Joe Wilson called Obama a liar, talk has turned to how the Democrats are going to Joe Wilson Joe Wilson.
Democratic House leaders have threatened a "resolution of disapproval" today or tomorrow - think of it as a parliamentary Joe-Wilsoning - unless Joe Wilson formally apologizes on the House floor for his Joe-Wilsoning of Obama. But Joe Wilson says he has apologized once, to the White House directly, and that's it. Obama accepted Joe Wilson's apology for the Joe-Wilsoning. People make mistakes, the president said.
Several House leaders and many rank-and-file Democrats are pressing a reluctant House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who made her own displeasure at the Joe-Wilsoning that Obama got from the floor of her House during last week's speech known to all with a sort of body-language Joe-Wilsoning of the offending congressman, to take formal action, with that formal Joe-Wilsoning of Joe Wilson.
"There was a violation of the rules of the House," Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said of last week's Joe-Wilsoning. "It needs to be resolved by an apology or a resolution."
"I am not going to apologize again,'' Joe Wilson said, in an appearance on FOX News Sunday. "I have apologized to the president. I believe that is sufficient.... I apologized to the president on Wednesday night. I was advised then that -- thank you, now let's get on to a civil discussion of the issues."
He also explained what prompted his Joe-Wilsoning, calling the president out for insisting that illegal immigrants will not benefit from the health-care initiative that Democrats are advancing: "I am on committee.... Education and Labor. I know the amendments that were on Ways and Means -- at Ways and Means and Energy and Commerce that the Democrats voted down for citizenship verification.
"So I knew what he said was not true,'' Wilson said. "I read the bill. I read all 1,000 pages. I believe he was misstating the facts."
"That's not true,'' Obama told the congressman from the dais of the House, delivering his own sort of gentlemanly Joe-Wilsoning of Joe Wilson.
Indeed, some say that Obama was guilty of his own Joe-Wilsoning -- with a thinly veiled Joe-Wilsoning of Sarah Palin and company in his vehement denial that the health-care legislation contains the "death panels'' that Republican Palin and others are warning seniors about.
"Some people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost,'' the president told Congress and a television-viewing public. "The best example is the claim made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but by prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Now, such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.''
Palin, for her part, suggested on her Facebook page, 870,000 supporters and counting, that the president had dodged the question.
"In his speech the president directly responded to concerns I've raised about unelected bureaucrats being given power to make decisions affecting life or death health care matters,'' Palin wrote. "He called these concerns "bogus," "irresponsible," and "a lie" -- so much for civility. After all the name-calling, though, what he did not do is respond to the arguments we've made, arguments even some of his own supporters have agreed have merit.''
There it is: "Name-calling.'' Palin figures she was Joe-Wilsoned.
As far as the continuing controversy over the original Joe-Wilsoning goes, Joe Wilson complains that people are attempting to change the subject about a bad health-care bill.
""My view is it's politics. This is playing politics,'' Wilson said on FOX News Sunday. "This is exactly what the American people do not want to see, do not want to hear...this is just a way to divert attention from a bill that would cost 1.6 million jobs, according to the National Federation of Independent Business. It's a diversion from people looking at the bill and the concerns about this bill."
The president himself was asked if Joe Wilson should be rebuked.
" Well, see, this is part of what happens,'' Obama told CBS News' Steve Kroft, in an interview aired last night on 60 Minutes. "I mean, it becomes a big circus instead of us focusing on health care.
"You know, this is a story that people will run with for a week,'' Obama said. " In the meantime, we stopped having a serious debate about how are we going to make sure that insurance companies who don't treat their customers right are checked. That's the conversation I want to have.''
House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), said today:
"Rep. Wilson has apologized to the president, and the president accepted his apology. Last Thursday, Speaker Pelosi said that she believed it was time to move on and discuss health care. I couldn't agree more, and that's why I plan to vote 'no' on this resolution. Instead of pursuing this type of petty partisanship, we should be working together to lower costs and expand access to affordable, high-quality health coverage on behalf of the American people."
When the Joe-Wilsoning is finished in the House, they just might get to health-care reform.
(Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) is pictured above on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace, photo by Freddie Lee / FOX News via AP. Wilson is pictured calling Obama a liar during the president's address to Congress, photo by Melina Mara / The Washington Post, via AP. And Tina Fey is pictured backstage after accepting her Emmy for Outstanding Guest Actress in a Comedy Series for her turn as former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Saturday Night Live, a show on which Fey had done some considerable comic Joe Wilsoning of Palin. The lower photo of Joe Wilson Joe-Wilsoning Obama is by Chip Somodevilla / Getty Images.)









Comments
As Bruce pointed out on another thread saying that democrat Pete Stark did the same thing to Bush even though it wasn't in a joint session nor a televised speech, the republicans felt compelled to vote for a resolution of censure over the matter so I assume he would agree that the same action now is called for.
Posted by: bill r. | September 14, 2009 11:17 AM
America needs more Joe Wilson to expose the White House.
Posted by: Inky | September 14, 2009 11:35 AM
For the next 3 years, we expect the media to trumpet the virtues of an opposition that keeps quiet about its opposition.
These stories come out every time there's a Democrat in the White House.
And magically disappear every time there's a Republican in the White House.
Is anyone surprised that Howard Kurtz, writing in the impeccably Liberal Washington Post, finds "Public respect for the media has plunged to a new low, with just 29 percent of Americans saying that news organizations generally get their facts straight"?
Posted by: Former Democrat | September 14, 2009 12:33 PM
Wilson not only needs to apologize to his peers, he also needs to apologize to the American people. His boorish behavior cannot be condoned.
Posted by: Janstress | September 14, 2009 12:56 PM
MOVEON!!
Look at all the of silly things POTUS has said over the last 2 years -- like ending the war - working together - making new jobs - words can help and they can hurt, but this is not an end of the world issue - what about my Medicare! I was forced onto by my employer and I tell ya it sucks even the the AARP insurance I have -- and they want to take that away -- I am willing to pay more money, but no one is talking about that options - it appears to be all or nothing..ah well rant for the day
Posted by: BigbadSouthsideJim | September 14, 2009 1:42 PM
Inky: Where was Joe Wilson during the GW Bush administration when Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld kept lying about WMDs in Iraq?
Posted by: BC | September 14, 2009 2:05 PM
So Mr Wilson is accusing Dems of allowing illegal immigrants to get healthcare benefits even though the laws as currently proposed specifically exclude them. Their reasoning is that because there is no "enforcement provision" that this really means that illegal immigrants will be able to partake. OK, fine, let's put in an enforcement provision - but only if the ability to purchase a gun in the US of A also requires the purchaser to present a copy of his birth certificate - wouldn't want all those illegal aliens to get guns, now would we? Then sit back and hear the howls fronm the NRA and their lapdogs in Congress!
Posted by: Steven Weikert | September 14, 2009 2:18 PM
since the dems had removed the offending portion of the bill and dr. emmanuel had publicly decided that he no longer believed what he believed when he wrote his special little tome, i have to assume that most dems. understood the section like palin and others had.
and for queen pelosi, has she apologized for calling the c.i.a. liars and worse? since obama had just called palin a liar, and pelosi owes the c.i.a. and the nation an apology, i think wilson is ahead in the apology game.
dennisintn
Posted by: dennisintn | September 14, 2009 3:08 PM
Posted by: dennisintn | September 14, 2009 3:08 PM
dennisintn, what part of:
"There was a violation of the rules of the House''
Dont you understand?? I understand that you people on the right dont think you have to follow the rules but compairing others outburst that were NOT during a house session to what that idiot did is MORONIC at its best!
Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | September 14, 2009 4:30 PM
After the House democrats discipline Joe Wilson for saying the president lied, he should see if Speaker Dimwit will apologize for calling the CIA a bunch of liars.
Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2009 5:53 PM
Palin looks pretty good here, but actually, I prefer Rip Taylor. JMO.
Posted by: the Swamp Has Become Troll Haven | September 14, 2009 7:41 PM
After the House democrats discipline Joe Wilson for saying the president lied, he should see if Speaker Dimwit will apologize for calling the CIA a bunch of liars.
Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2009 5:53 PM
I'm sorry did I miss something here? I didnt realize Nancy Pelosi said those things while attending a Joint Session of Congress on live TV around the world! Oh wait, of course she didnt.
Sorry buddy, no comparison in the least. None whatsoever. Next!
Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | September 14, 2009 7:47 PM
She didn't say that during a joint session, so what. Shouldn't she apologize to the CIA because whe was WRONG to call them a liar?
Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2009 8:04 PM
She didn't say that during a joint session, so what. Shouldn't she apologize to the CIA because whe was WRONG to call them a liar?
Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2009 8:04 PM
How do you know that she hasnt? They are two completely different scenarios Terry. Now if you could find a comparable situation where a democrat called Bush a liar during such an important Joint Session then your point makes sense. Otherwise its moot.
Posted by: Scot S. Blakeley | September 14, 2009 10:12 PM
They are two completely scenarios, only one of the two were lying when they and it wasn't the CIA.
If it wasn't alie, he wouldn't have had to issue a "clarification"
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/11/2065287.aspx
Posted by: Terry | September 14, 2009 10:41 PM
This is political theatre written by the men behind the curtain. I don't know enough about Joe Wilson to discredit him, but until I do, what he does is of little consequence.
I don't think it matters which party is doing what. These guys are all sleeping together.
Americans need to continue what the 9/12 march on DC really symbolizes. We do not ttrust either party.
Posted by: Deborah | September 15, 2009 9:49 AM
Terry, the difference is that the CIA did lie to Congress, and have lied to Congress repeatedly through the years. No apology needed from the Speaker.
Posted by: The CIA did lie | September 15, 2009 10:43 AM
Kanye West is playing the part of Wilson on SNL this week.
Posted by: ornery | September 15, 2009 2:31 PM
CIA didn't lie,
The CIA stated that Speaker Dimwit was present when the enhanced interrogation techniques were being discussed and she approved, and Speaker Dimwit of course lied.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/may/12/nancy-pelosi/cia-documents-claim-speaker-pelosi-was-told-about-/
Posted by: Terry | September 15, 2009 7:21 PM