Obama's must-have health-care demands

Reasonalbe voices have been called "mobs" "astroturf", "racists" and "un-American".

Silva should spend some time reading the HR3200 instead of parroting Obama.

Then maybe Silva can tell us why the IRS will be raising it fines in the Health Care bill, why the IRS will be providing income information at the individual level to the Health Commission and why federal officials can come into anyone home without a warrant.

And maybe Silva can tell us why the White House has agreed with the Pharmaceutical industry to keep generics off the market.

Here we go with the same game again, "Well we have the House, the Senate and the White House but we just couldn't get it done". This healthcare reform is turning into nothing more then forcing people to buy healthcare from private companies. This is the bailout for the insurance/healthcare companies. Being forced to pay will not drive down cost but will bring huge profits in. Of course with over 10% employment and huge underemployed, why not force them to pay for insurance and at the same time never fix the ecomony so that people have jobs and access to healthcare. It is going to be one term Obama. Way to have a backbone, Mr. President.

Reasonalbe voices have been called "mobs" "astroturf", "racists" and "un-American".

Silva should spend some time reading the HR3200 instead of parroting Obama.

Then maybe Silva can tell us why the IRS will be raising it fines in the Health Care bill, why the IRS will be providing income information at the individual level to the Health Commission and why federal officials can come into anyone home without a warrant.

And maybe Silva can tell us why the White House has agreed with the Pharmaceutical industry to keep generics off the market.

Posted by: escaped from NY | September 9, 2009 8:01 AM

And after that Mark Silva can show you how to spell reasonable.
Then he can explain to you that people who scream for the sake of screaming, not communicating, can be considered a mob. Mark can go on to explain how people who show up to town hall meetings with poster of our president defaced to make the image look like Hitler might be considered just a bit overtly radical and racist. As for the Un-American title, you just have to look at the Republican playbook from the Bush Administration where you were deemed Un-American if you did not, in lock step, support the President.
And after all that explaining maybe Mark Silva can address your paranoia problem.
We all know Mark Silva, as the poster boy for the liberal, communist, radical mainstream media, controls all and, hence, is ultimately responsible for outcome of you pathetic little life.

I read in USA Today that to pay for the healthcare bill they will raise taxes and charge higher premiums for seniors. Just what we need but we knew it was coming. I guess no retirement in our futures even though my husband is already past 65. Thanks Obama. This is not the life we planed on or for our grandchildren. Someone please find the "real" birth certificate.

I see the Bush&Cheney fringe is coming out with their own dictionary, defining their words any way they wish to define them. Another crazy day in their neighborhood.
My hope is that President Obama will continue to fight for, and present tonight, the " government-run " public option. If it is good enough for our servicemen and servicewomen and our elected officials, it is good enough, for we, the people. It is needed by me, because of the outrageous premiums and out-of-pocket costs, in my fight with cancer and I know, it is needed by many millions of Americans. I did everything I was supposed to do, but I was hit with the cancer and had to retire early. I am a union worker and I worked for a quasi-government agency, so when I retired early, due the weakness I experienced from the cancer therapy, I was supposed to be covered by the contract, which included healthcare until 65 yrs., It was a negotiated contract that was in place when I was hired. Six months into this "forced" retirement and I was informed that they were discontinuing my healthcare, a negotiated element of a union contract, unless I want to pay for it myself. Well, on $1100 a month pension and the healthcare cost is $582 a month, to live on, not counting premiums and out-of-pocket cost, that doesn't leave much to live on and to continue to fight the cancer. So, you see, the whole system of healthcare needs to be reformed. Given the fact that from former President Truman, who was the first to battle the vested interests, to President Obama the fight has been a tragic one, with many early deaths and much unnecessary suffering !! Why ? The whole Healthcare System has allowed Greed to determine medical policy, including the corporate bureaucrat that determines the life and death questions of the patients !! That is why we need to join President Obama and fight this multi-headed hydra, it is killing patients in the name of greed and it has made America sick !!
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Ah, so he's going to promise this great reform, so long as it doesn't cost anything? Sounds like a brilliant plan! Can't wait to see how Barack Houdini pulls this rabbit out of his hat.

Why does Obama have to make this so complicated? Only 15 percent of Americans do not have health insurance and only about 4 percent because they are poor and cannot buy it (U.S. Census Bureau). Why not just extend Medicaid to cover poor families without creating another costly (estimate $1.8 trillion by CBO) federal bureaucracy? Or is this issue more about control over the populace than providing health care?

Van Jones has already done more to benefit America then Glenn Beck will ever hope to do. And if members of Congress had any depth of character they would have been quick to acknowledge that. If you don't believe it - take a look into Van Jones beyond the clips you see on Fox News. The man is brilliant regardless of his past discretions. Don't be afraid of what you don't initially understand - learn from it.

Does anybody really believe Obama will not sign whatever bill he gets if it adds to the deficit? I would not count on that.

Rick

Don there is only one problem with the goverment plan. We will NOT have the same coverage as congress has. The republicans tried to add to the bill a clause that would require congress to take to gov't plan and the dems said no.

Obama may be talking directly to Congress, but he must be careful to include the specifics and message that the public wants - and needs - to hear regarding reform.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

$2.5 trillion in health care spending this year, $4 trillion after this bill passes. The end of health care inovation, the end of private health care insurance, and the beginning of government run care.

What's not to love.

Let's put a higher priority on taking charge of our health and preventative health care. Holosfitness.com has a Get Up! Get Out! Get Active! Initiative that is traveling the country highlighting the importance of physical activity and its positive effects on health. Check out the Holosfitness.com initiative for ways to get in shape and stay in shape through fun and innovative exercises that require little fitness equipment and no special facilities or gym memberships.

He's an empty suit. Tonights sppech is a desperate effort to get the Dems in line. The smart ones know they will be voted out if they go along with this socialsit nonsense. We won't hear any proposals that make sense such as tort reform or interstate competition. With luck, this whole fiasco will die by yearend and he will be a lame duck.

Last chance on the HealthCare Express for Obimbo here . . . He's wayyyy over exposed. Oh, I have an idea: How about ANOTHER BORING HEALTH CARE SPEECH. Yeah, that oughta do it. NOT. This one is gone and over the hill, folks. Too big, too complicated, too unexplained, too rushed, and now: too far gone.

Watch as Nobama slinks away from the far leftist ideas chocked in by Nancy "Veruca Salt" Pelosi and Hairless Reid to the 1000+ page leftist wish list. He let them do the heavy lifting and balloon floating to see what would fly. Turns out very little of it flies. The public's trust of Obimbo drops daily and he tries yet another failed tact.

He tried for everything and will end up with almost nothing. The lapdog press helped him get here by not looking critically at the bills and policies. Hey, at least they're good for something!

How about some simple things:
1) Competition across state lines
2) Restrictions on cancelations/refusals on pre-existing conditions
3) And hey you liberals, how bout some Tort Reform?????

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If we are to have a Public Health Care Plan, it should:
Be actuarial sound---abiding by same standard of private plans and same actuarial basis used for pricing.
Be funded only by premiums. No taxes or government funding should be involved. No shortfall will be made up by any governmental body.
Be non-profit to avoid problems like past GSAs.
To make its operations comparable for evaluation and auditing, all expenses should be paid from premium collected. Including claims, salaries, operating expenses, facilities.
The plan must be used for all government employees, Federal, State and Local employees, including Executive, Congress and Judicial. No other governmental plans will be paid for. Employees will be free to purchase from other private plans but no governmental subsidy will be used.
It will replace all other Federal medical plans such V.A..
No governmental employee will be allowed, directly or indirectly, to contact the administrators or any employee of the Plan to plead for special consideration of a patient or treatment, location of Plan offices, equipment [e.g. no request for vendor use].
All claims will be reviewed by adjustors and doctors without names available so no political influence will occur.
The top ten officials will be paid at the minimum of 1. average of top ten private plans compensation for equivalent positions, and 2. $200,000.
All other employees will be compensated at no more than the minimum of average of top ten private plans and $100,000.
All jobs will be non-union to avoid strikes. At a minimum all jobs will be under ‘Right to Work.’

Tough sell for Obama tonight. He is going to say out of one side of his mouth that the system is broken and overhaul is needed, and out of the other that nothing will change for the 85% of the country that is satisfied with their care.

There is no way I'm going to watch his address and watch goofy Nancy Pelosi bounce up and down all night like some over-the-hill cheerleader with a spring in her butt.

Time to kill HR3200. How about some coverage on HR2520? HR2520 could be a good health care reform bill with a little work.

"responsible, bipartisan reform,'' Limp Boehner, please don't use these words as you have no concept of their meaning. Christ Spec4, if you are going to use a big college word like "Socialist", please learn how to spell it. My, My, My, Escape from NY and Bobby Mobby you are very similar to John D and that’s not a good thing. And annjilly, you better watch what you say or you just may be a candidate for a Death Panel...Obama's gonna get ya! Another day, more hypocritical BS from the Far Right……….

So I guess all the speeches, town hall meetings, emails and text messages coming from the president in the past 3 months have been???? what??? his uspport for health care reforms?

Now! he's really going to get in the GAME? It amazes me to see all the vitrol and mystic understanding of what is not out there. There really is no REALISTIC legislation to base anything on folks. Over a thousand pages of gobblety goop that noone, not even our preisident can clearly understand or explain to the public. Oh he has great ideas alright but none of them are realistic enough to get etched into legislation without including the insane notions promulgated by the far left Pelosi-Reid nut cases.

Reforms are needed. Health Care and Health Insurance has to be affordable to all Americans (skip the illegals please). This circus called Congress has become soooo demeaning and rediculous to the majority of Americans that nobody, nobody can stand firmly behind it and expect political survival.

That's what it's all about folks, political survival and power. These goofballs we have elected (not me by the way) are taking us all for a ride. The great uniter is nothing more than a huge divider, partisan politics at it's worse but hey, the speeches are fabulous, can raise the dead and cure all ill's but not turning out to be at all believeable or to be accomplished.

Rhetoric and pandering takes the place of leadership and dicisiveness while the bulk of Americans argue and point fingers at each other.

I say either sit down and shut up or drive this bus to the land of milk and honey! there is no such place on earth.

Yeah, bring them home now - safe and sound! how's that working for you Don? you've stopped giving the murder - death - kill counts, why is that?

Over 120 unemplyed and unemployable, Americans are having trouble buying food and paying for shelter, and can't afford a $1 bottle of asperin from the local Dollar Store. President Barack Hussein Obama has to understand that no American wants the Government and their Empoyer to determine what type of Healthcare is needed, especially when most Americans don't have steady, good paying jobs. Presidetn Obama's Healthcare initatives are plain Facist, and has nothing to do with Socialism or with principals of Democracy.

Watch and learn, my little Willy, watch and learn. The fact is: this country is center-right, not loony-leftie. All of you smoking the Hopium are going to set down the pipe and come back down to earth where there are budgets, a legislative process, and OH MY GOD!!! . . . . yep We the People.

You Dems have the WH, Senate, and Congress. Why don't you try ramming this BS through and see where you land? I'll tell you why (and and typing slow for you libs) Cuz a whole bunch of Dems know it will be the death of their special little seat in the house in the next election, that's why. You've got the majority in ALL THREE, and still can't do a damn thing but spin your wheels. Too freakin' funny!!!!

All I will say, to all of you ridiculous Republicans and laughable Libertarians is, I sincerely hope, none of you get cancer. I know, that if you do, you will be squealing the loudest. Look at you now, you are probably living a good life, which is okay with me, and you are squealing the loud, already !! Living a good life and you still have no qualms about making other people's lives, as difficult as you possibly can !! That is turning the goals and ideals of our country, upside down. Some of you, claiming christian, are wretched human beings and I hope God has mercy on you !! That is just another of your delusions !! Beware of what you wish for, you may end up, getting it !!
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Fortunately, the White Sox and A's are on at the same time, especially since we already know what Obama will read off his T-P while Pelosi and Biden nod like Bobble-Head dolls.

I'm guessing a lot of Americans will be watching So You Think You Can Dance instead of another Obama speech.

Don Fitzgerald, who posts mostly Keith Olbermann talking points with little fact to back them up, should realize there is a difference between Republicans and Libertarians. True Libertarians do not always back the Republicans, and did not like or agree with many of the things the Bush White House did. And Libertarians do back Democrats that hold their beliefs.

"Some of you, claiming christian, are wretched human beings and I hope God has mercy on you !! That is just another of your delusions !! Beware of what you wish for, you may end up, getting it !!"

Don get a life - you moan and groan like you are the only person with issues.. then you attack others with malice.. Your physical issues have created some mental issues - whew take a chill pill -

If President Obama really wants a Health Reform Bill that has Bi-Partisan support, he needs to meet with the Republican Congressional Leadership. It is being reported this morning that Obama has not met with the House Republican Leadership since April. This does not sound like someone who wants Bi-Partisan support. And his Press Secretary put down Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Montana) attempts yesterday to pass a Bi-Partisan Health Reform Bill. The Country needs Health Reform but may not get it because Obama is in bed with Speaker of the House Nancy Polosi and they want all or nothing. It is time for President Obama to show some leadership and bring ALL sides together and pass a Health Reform Bill.

The breathless wait has started for ObamaCare speech number 112.....

Which will be reported by the media as the greatest speech ever given..... Until Obama's next speech, which will be reported as the NEW greatest speech ever given.

I say we let Obama do away with everything...

All you dolts hurling insults and invectives toward the opposition party and our POTUS are angry that we have a leader who's smarter than you. There never, ever, should be greed or profit between us and our healthcare and it needs to change. We won't get the single payer, unfortunately, and will have to settle for the public option. But it's coming. Believe it. Now. It can be painless and damn near seamless if everybody helps to make it work. The silent majority. Those of us who voted for BO and are not showing up on the TV and town hall shout fests will make our voices heard. Pick sides my conservative nutbuckets...and you lose.
Make it right...and we all win. And oh, strap your butts in for two Obama administrations.

They say that its not over until the fat lady sings!. Well, I think I hear her clearing her throat...,Her first tune will be in honor of President Nobama its title "So long its been good to know you"

Didn't vote for him and was pretty sure he would fail because he said a lot of dopey feel good stuff and a lot of dopey feel good idiots fell for it. Well now it is becoming clear to everyone(except morons like Don) that they were lied to and Barry is like a retarded Jimmy Carter

Dearest Donnie: Sorry for your medical woes, really. But talk about a sqeaky wheel. You're here sqeaking daily, and usually the same old tired rant. You'd think that grand union job of yours would provide, isn't that what your dear Dems tell you?

There's going to be a bunch of changes to people's retirements and pensions (hopefully/especially in gov't and unions) because the pensions just won't stand up to the promised amounts, the little saved, the amounts robbed and redistibuted, and the too little put in by less and less workers.

And dear Obimbo follows more and more of the supposed horrid Bush Doctrine: even more troops in Afghanistan, loads of troops still in Iraq with no date, Gitmo still open doing what it should be doing, even this from the WaPo "Obama has approved the creation of an elite team of interrogators to question key terrorism suspects,", yikes sounds like torture!. No public option in health care (or no tort reform, either), and on and on and on. You were sold a big fat lie and you fell for it hook, line, and STINKER. Pull up a chair folks, the Obimbo meltdown is upon us.

Here's an article from the statesman stating:

"Obama seems to follow Bush's lead
Ruben Navarrette Jr. • September 5, 2009
They say the older you get, the smarter your parents get. Likewise, it seems, the deeper President Obama gets into his first term, the smarter President George W. Bush gets.

Hard-line liberals will never accept this. They have too much invested in the narrative of Bush-as-incompetent-dolt to make room for the possibility that the Texas Republican got one or two things right in eight years.

Yet the Obama administration has — on issues both foreign and domestic — adopted as its own some of what the president's supporters refer to derisively as "Bush-era tactics.""

Ooops . . . sounds like W dealt more in the real world then you loony-lefties would even want to admit!!!!

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20090905/OPINION/909050315/1046

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jaykay. Step slowly away from the Hopium pipe. "Painless and damn near seamless" OH MY GOD, YOU'RE KILLING ME (yeah, with laughter). Are you freakin kidding me? When have you EVER seen even a small gov't program (ummm remember Cash for Clunkers? ) run painless and seamless. Like I said, set the Hopium pipe down and plug into the real world.

Maybe we can get a Czars for Clunkers program going, huh?

"hurling insults " ya mean like "conservative nutbuckets" ?

Obimbo will be lucky to stagger through a single horrid, failed administration, much less two. His poll numbers are already dropping like crazy, and that's even after the lapdog media's daily prop-ups.

I doubt any health bill gets passed this year, because Nancy, Harry, and Odumbo have made such a mess of it. They have lost the public's trust, and rightfully so.

Please make some more predictions my fearless reality-challenged lefty . . .

"Socialism" is effectively the new terrorism for the irrelevant right.

Bobby Mobby...well, my Dad's pretty satisfied with his Medicare, my son has no big complaints with the VA services he gets, public education has worked out ok for most of us, my Mom's happy for her Social Security checks, need I go on? There are plenty of gov't programs doing what they were intended to do. Sure, there's waste and fraud in all programs that are meant to 'serve'. And they should be cleaned up but that's no viable excuse to not pursue the public option for healthcare. Your references to pipes and hopium are childish. Unless, of course, you are a kid. In that case, you write well!

Saith Don:
I love it when you go moronic, it only proves the point, on your noggin, time after time. You have nothing to offer this country, but childish, churlish screeds. Please, continue to prove my point. I love it when the Bush&Cheney fringe gets so stupid, it proves the American electorate got it right !! Smack that grand-slam, tonight, President Obama !!
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What the Hey! Republican creed, is the need for greed!! They all have the insurance and health care industry in their back pockets, also the blue dogs and maybe some dems, Baucus comes to mind! If the public option is tossed aside, then they may as well not do health care reform. The insurance industry and health care industry is too greedy to regulate themselves. That would be like letting wall street regulate itself, you see what happened to our financial industry without regulation. The Republicans had eight years with control of the executive branch, the judicial branch and the legislative branch and didn't do anything for this country, only for the wealthy. The Republicans never do anything for this country, they only do things to this country. Public option is the only answer, if Obama doesn't emphatically state that tonight in his speech he may as well have stayed home. We will see if he has the balls to get it done. whiteagle38

This reminds me of the speech on the stimulus bill that had to pass right away before anyone could read it. I remember hearing him say that projects would be "shovel ready" and unemployment would not exceed 8%. Right. I think his actions and (lack of) results speak louder than his words.

"I guess no retirement in our futures even though my husband is already past 65. Thanks Obama. This is not the life we planed on or for our grandchildren. Someone please find the "real" birth certificate."

And exactly what concerns did you and your fragile hubby have about your retirement when the market began tanking under your former leader? Your portfolio took a huge dive and you passed bricks as you watched your 401k savings swirl down the toilet. And now, thanks to Obama, your retirement funds are slowly being restored. So your sob stories about all you're afraid to lose under him don't exactly mesh. Then again, anyone vapid enough to continue peddling the "birth certificate" farce probably isn't smart enough to realize that.

DonF - again with the personal attacks - you are blinded by your own hate. I really do not care what side you are on - it is the way you state things-- bitter person -

Ok, here is goes... The current HR3200 does everything that we the American people do not need.

The following steps are what are needed:

-All people must buy private health insurance (either through the company they work for or on thier own)

-Tort reform: Finally... stop being in the posket of the lawyers!

-Institute the FairTax.org and do not tax people for healthcare needs nor buying insurance (taxes on all people... the rich have non tax breaks... drug deals would have to pay when they buy things also.)

-Stop taxing corporations... taxing a corporation only leads to higher prices for thier goods/services and reduces US exports.

-Government needs to stop spending money on all non-constitutional items.

Scott...go here http://recovery.illinois.gov/projectInformation.htm and read about the awarded and the disbursed funds for the State Of Illinois. I'm not sure about the unemployment prediction you post, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. It's not easy to make that kind of forecast when there are that many variables involved. But, the stimulus money is beginning to get into the pipeline and it has and will continue to make difference. The results you can't find are verifiable. You have to look. Don't be so quick to trash a man who's trying to make things better.

83% SAY NO HEALTH COVERAGE FOR ILLEGALS!!!
This cuts across party lines and ideological beliefs!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/83_say_proof_of_citizenship_should_be_required_to_get_government_health_aid

The problem for Obama and the Democrats is that their health care plan DOES provide coverage for illegals! So which side will they pick: Americans or illegals?

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/28/congressional-research-office-obamacare-will-cover-illegal-immigrants/

"Don Fitzgerald, IL": I am sorry you have cancer. I am also sorry for my close friends and relatives who also have cancer and other diseases. But, that is not reason to overturn a system where 85% say they are happy with their coverage.

You may personally benefit (but probably not as much as you would like to believe), but does that justify making the majority worse off to make you better off? I don't think so.

Rick

There is no way I'm going to watch his address and watch goofy Nancy Pelosi bounce up and down all night like some over-the-hill cheerleader with a spring in her butt.

Posted by: vla | September 9, 2009 10:55 AM

And note, contrary to what Republicans have been saying, you WON'T BE FORCED TO WATCH THE DAMN THING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. Nobody really cares if you watch it or if you don't, even that horrible Socialist/Nazi/Marxist/Islamic/Racist Christian/non-citizen/foreign-born/Hawaiian-born-but-not-proved monster who's trying to inject himself into every possible portion of your life, President Obama. So -- you be a good little rebel there all you want to! You protest to your heart's content by watching Mr. Ed reruns if that makes you happy! For all anybody cares, you can turn on the address and use your God-given Second Amendment rights to shoot out your TV set with a bazooka if it pleases you. Or you and a bunch of your friends could REALLY stage a protest and go light yourselves on fire! THAT'LL sure teach 'em, won't it? Knock yourself out!

Albert, it wasn't Van Jones's past discretions that got him into trouble, it was his past indiscretions. Like a lot of other politicians before him - he's just the latest, and probably not the last.

BLACKPANTHER21 wrote: Over 120 unemplyed and unemployable, Americans are having trouble buying food and paying for shelter, and can't afford a $1 bottle of asperin from the local Dollar Store. President Barack Hussein Obama has to understand that no American wants the Government and their Empoyer to determine what type of Healthcare is needed, especially when most Americans don't have steady, good paying jobs. Presidetn Obama's Healthcare initatives are plain Facist, and has nothing to do with Socialism or with principals of Democracy.

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Are you seriously that blind? Your statements are EXACTLY why we need this health care overhaul AND the public option. Because people are out of work, can't afford food, shelter and basic medicines. Health care is the number one expense for all businesses, and the reason people are laid off, places close, etc. -- because health insurance is so expensive. And if you can get it, many premiums, co-pays and deductibles are through the roof. We already have employers deciding what kind of health care is available -- it's whatever they can afford to pay the private insurers. Seriously, get a clue.

Lowell said: -All people must buy private health insurance (either through the company they work for or on thier own)

And exactly how do you propose we all do that? If private health insurance wasn't so insanely expensive we'd all have it. But it's simply not affordable for a large number of Americans. Even if your employer offers it; many times the premiums and deductibles are sky high. That's the main reason health care reform - and the public option - is needed. Health insurance, in its current form, is unattainable for many. You obviously have quality, affordable health insurance. No scrimping and saving and doing without simply to pay your out of pocket costs. Good for you.

Obama’s health-care promises are being exposed by the details of the actual legislation, and we WILL see costs rise. Support the goal of covering all individuals through private health insurance! http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/issues/index.cfm?ID=300

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Posted by: sharon | September 9, 2009 2:15 PM
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There's nothing to worry about there, Sharon. HR 3200, the current House health care bill, specifically prohibits enrollment of illegal aliens into any health care program. But, since the health care plan won’t take effect until a couple of years after its passage, Barack Obama and Company will have some time to make sure we won’t have any illegal aliens in this country. That’s because they’ll seek to grant them all immunity and “legality” in time to sign them up for a health care plan. You’re just not looking at the big picture.

From kg:
Then he can explain to you that people who scream for the sake of screaming, not communicating, can be considered a mob. Mark can go on to explain how people who show up to town hall meetings with poster of our president defaced to make the image look like Hitler might be considered just a bit overtly radical and racist.

Where were you when all your leftist ilk had posters of Bush as Hitler? Or when Kanye West said Bush hates black people? Hmmmmm? Or how about all the loony lefties who attack conservative with pies and stuff before they give speeches: David Horowitz, Ann Coulter, William Kristol, Pat Buchanan and others?

Anyway, kg, those who attended townhall meetings to voice their concerns or dislike with government=run health care were largely normal Americans expressing their rights, unlike the flesh-eating zombie cannibals on the Left.

John D, interesting that you mention Pat Buchanan as a conservative. Are the following writings of his representative of mainstream Conservative thought in your opinion?

http://buchanan.org/blog/did-hitler-want-war-2068
http://www.theamericancause.org/120407.htm

http://www.theamericancause.org/print/052207.htm

http://www.theamericancause.org/print/082506_print.htm

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/buchanan_own_words/on_immigration.asp

cool

sweet

So let him do his thing..

hope things go well for all...

Conspicuous by its absence in President Obamas address to the Joint Session of Congress was any mention whatsoever of illegaliens. Not the impact they have on the economy, or healthcare or jobs. Just one doublespeak promise that anyone here illegally would not get benefits. Pay close attention to what he actually said and you'll see the built in out. If he grants them legal status, they'll no longer be here illegally. HaHa, the joke is on us!

Hey, " Chuck Thompson ", did you get a good look at his birth certificate as he left the podium !!? Now, maybe you will give our President a fair hearing, instead of imagining things, of delusional dimensions !!
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