Shimkus walked on Obama: 'Frustrated'

Yawn. More infantile conduct from a knuckledragger.

Out of curiosity: What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?

The entire Republican and Independent membership should have walked out, since Obama will not allow them into the process of addressing the health insurance problem. Only Democrats with their extreme left solutions -- aka government control of every aspect of your life -- will be allowed in the World of Obama. Sound familiar?

SCREW THE REPUBLICANS!!!!

They don't deserve to be treated with respect when they act like petulant children -which is what they have done ever since they got their butts handed to them in the most recent election.

The Dems got elected running on health care reform and they should do it with or without the Repugnuts.

The people spoke in November and they told the Republican party to go pound sand!

More people should have walked out and shouted liar!!! The truth hurts, obama.

To blinkin, I bet you Shimkus has far more education than you.

Why didn't everyone walk out and save some time? Same old campaign speech..........and.......like Wilson said............lies.

Cool! Since he was sleeping most of the speech, let him leave early to continue with his no action behavior.
Who needs him?

John Shimkus has great health insurance and obviously doesn't care about the fact that you can't afford one,he makes a lot of money by doing nothing,he really can't complain about tough times or life.

Although I believe what Congressman Shimkus did was bad manners and disrespectful of the President, it was no where as bad as the rude behavior that some Democrats have shown in the past at State of the Union Speeches. In 2005 the Democrats hissed and booed at President George Bush during his talk to Congress. Both our Democratic and Republican elected officials need to grow up.

After 8 years of terror, torture and incompetence, what you get really, really mad at is giving some poor bastard some decent health care? Really?

If the liar in chief refuses to consider bipartisan proposals why would anyone be willing to sit through the lies offering tacit support. Since it is clear that the dem strategy is to ram something through now, lying about its contents and then to claim victory, no one with any priciples should have been left. Let the dems suffer the consequences of trashing one sixth of the economy, after their stimulus bill promised to cap unemployment at 8% I'm sure they can be trusted with this.

also Republicans:

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What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?

Posted by: a blinkin | September 10, 2009 3:30 PM
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It says "pull yourself up from your bootstraps and heal yourself you whiney quitters!"

this guy has a record of unstablity - he's a real creep Hopefully his constitutents have all the health care they need and their homes are secure because if he has his way - they will be out of luck!

vote any and all republicans on every level out of office. in 2010.! They have destroyed the party of Lincoln and no longer represent the standards that he stood for. -

If he's so frustrated, maybe he's in the wrong line of work. Really, these guys are continually showing their lack of class with these hissy fits.

Did he let the door slam into his "keep-the-uninsured-status-quo" keester on his way out? Did he ever walk out on Bush when presented with out-of-control, no oversight costs of the Iraq war? Quit trying to please these guys. They can't be pleased and they are more interested in representing the insurance lobby than us.

Pound sand indeed!

Very disrespectful of both the president and the presidency.

Another example of a republican/conservative who cannot handle the truth. These people seem to bask in lies and falsehood.
Also, they seem to be so ill bred. Im embarrased for their families and the people they represent

Im so glad that Republicans were defeated in the last elections. And all these outbursts and childishness just proves why this current breed of republicans cant' handle the leadership that this country needs.

Go President Obama.

That's rich. This guy is frustrated? The Republicans have been asked for months for their plan. Some were holding up a thin sheaf of papers last night. I'll bet all it says is"status quo." Republicans have done such a retched job on the economy for the last 30 years, perpetrated two wars on the country, have bankrupted the US budget and allowed Wall Street to run amok and send the world economy to the brink. OK...let them have their say and it had better be pretty damned good and comprehensive. Otherwise, it is just another sellout to the insurance industry, their stockbrokers and their country. Bipartisanship, indeed.

Yes - very smart and very mature - lets move forward and not consider the opinion of 1/2 the country when dealing with such a large chunk of our economy and well being. Lets just do what Obama says - it must be right.

"In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war.... You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in heaven to destroy the Government, while I shall have the most solemn one to 'preserve, protect, and defend it.'

I wonder if all of you who are complaining about Shimkus could kindly tell us what Obama said last night that was new and not what he had said in his previous 112 appearances on the topic.

I suspect if most people knew in advance what Obama was going to say, they would have stayed home too. I suspect, too, that many people today wished they had skipped the speech.

Rick

Shimkus must be real bright if he went to West Point and ended up teaching high school in downstate Illinois. Glad he found a new career that takes even less brain power.

Oh look, more Republican tantrums. It appears their primary objective is to discredit and disrespect the office of the President at every turn, regardless of facts or the reality of any given situation.

I guess the rest of the Republican Party does not have the cahones that Rep. Shimkus does. If I were there I would have walked out on this fool. That is why I did not watch or listen to another speech about change and about how good it qwill be. If it is so damned good why are so many people not on board?

Hey DD, the insurance lobby, the AMA, and a host of other special interests supported your liar in chief on this until the libs actually writing the bill felt the bills hadn't sufficiently destroyed capitalism.

Did any libs or the crook in the white house walk out when asked to keep funding the ill conceived war in Iraq. No, they don't have the balls to stand by their principles.

As for the 5 million or so who are uninsured, you don't need to screw 250 million to get them minimal coverage until they get their act together and stop sponging off others.

My old party has been highjacked by the far right. They offer no solutions, have no alternate suggestions, have no new ideas so they simply obstruct everything. They allow no cross-aisle compromise. What kind of leadership is that? I want my centrist Republican party back!

When Shimkus gives up his own excellent government-run health insurance, then he has a right to protest.

What a bunch of childish clowns/losers!

I will never vote for a Republican again for as long as I live.

"The entire Republican and Independent membership should have walked out, since Obama will not allow them into the process of addressing the health insurance problem. Only Democrats with their extreme left solutions -- aka government control of every aspect of your life -- will be allowed in the World of Obama. Sound familiar?"

I should inform you that the entire Republican congressional membership abandoned the pursuit of healthcare reform from the moment that they decided that to oppose the president would be a good strategy to undermine him and the Democratic party. They are eyeing regaining power in the 2010 elections, not on providing a needed reform of the healthcare system for all Americans. They need to get power to again serve tjhe needs of their corporate and religious sponsors.

For those slinging so called facts around about the proposed bills, perhaps you should see what a non-partisan fact check looks like. Then, post your comments with real information

Check it out: From Factceck.org "Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200
A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true."

http://wordpress.asc.upenn.edu/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/

The tone of this debate says volumes about the sides involved. The President is called "Hitler" over and over, certain people throw a fit when he speaks to children about staying to school and they heckle his speech ... or text during it ... or walk out. Yet, he continues to seek bipartisanship and incorpates their ideas.

The Republicans are losing fans every day - including myself. My jaw dropped at the "you LIE!" shout last night, but given what the GOP has been doing the past few weeks -- screaming hysterically, preaching hyper-hate and leaving civil disagreement behind -- it shouldn't have surprised me.

I was on the fence on health care until last night. The disrespectful and disgusting behavior of the GOP fringe (and the failure of the responsible adults in the GOP to calm down the wingnuts) is despicable.

I suspect, too, that many people today wished they had skipped the speech.

Rick

Posted by: Rick Caird | September 10, 2009 4:05 PM

Then let them resign. They are paid to do the people's work. All the people, not just republican people. Grow up!

This type of behavior was present in Congress previously. It was when a man from Illinois ( he wasn't born there !) was elected President. He was rumored to be a member of a group of people who wanted to change the way our country treated those in poor circumstances. This change would financially affect the way of doing business in our country, and possibly raise taxes! Legislators walked out on him, encouraged their constituents to attack their political rivals, and if none of that worked they threatened revolution.
Town hall meetings nationwide were disrupted by thugs sent to stop all dialogue.
The loudest and most violent reaction came from, then as now, South Carolina.
Some members of state governments even threatened to secede.
I wouldn't worry though, I'm sure things worked out fine back then. Intelligent conversation and calmer heads prevailed. Right?
All of this is frighteningly familiar.

It's hard to believe that anyone would support an activity that will bankrupt the country. People who support the level of debt that Obama is presenting do not understand the impact this debt will have directly on their future standard of living.

Obamas speech was that of a father who is unhappy with his children because they did not please him. Because you don't agree with him you must be wrong.

Hooray for Shinkus and Wilson. Anyway, 78 percent of the country says we should have the same health insurance as does Congress. Republicans even have an amendment stating as such. There also is a Republican amendment that Congress gets the same health insurace that they want us to have. Funny, neither amendment has the support of those in the Demoncrap party.
Funny how that works. Demoncraps: the absolute worst mankind has to offer!

I suspect if most people knew in advance what Obama was going to say, they would have stayed home too. I suspect, too, that many people today wished they had skipped the speech.
Posted by: Rick Caird | September 10, 2009 4:05 PM
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Really? How did that school skipping thing work out for you Wingnut cretins anyway? Ha ha ha!

And as far as Pres Obama's speech last night goes, he realeasd a preview of it earlier in the day, if any of your beloved Republipuke congressman had the ability to read they would have known what the speech was about.

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

I checked the closing price for three health insurers: UNH, WLP, and AET. They were all up about 2.5%. So, unlike this crowd, the guys who vote with their money are betting on "not so much change" after the big speech.

Rick

To blinkin, I bet you Shimkus has far more education than you.

Posted by: chris | September 10, 2009 3:40 PM

Such a bet would yield you yet another in the long series of disappointments and failings that comprise your time on this mortal coil.

And by the way: My daddy is bigger than your daddy.

Matbe he just had to go to the john.

We need another party. I can't get in line with the republicants and the Dems are too wimpy. I want someone who knows that making a living is as hard for us working people as it is for republicants to behave with SOME decorum.

It is very simple. The GOP had 6 yrs of unfettered power. They had the white house, the House of Reps. and the Senate -- not one, NOT ONE bit of action to help Americans with the horrible treatment of the insurance companies. They did nothing; they want nothing done now.

My old party has been highjacked by the far right. They offer no solutions, have no alternate suggestions, have no new ideas so they simply obstruct everything. They allow no cross-aisle compromise. What kind of leadership is that? I want my centrist Republican party back!

Posted by: Driver | September 10, 2009 4:09 PM

Dear Driver,

Why is it, do you think that the democrats haven't passed anything - something already on this greatest of great plans to reform health care in the US? They do not need any republican votes to get legislation passed. If as you say, the grand OLD republican party has become a party of NO, who's waiting and why are they waiting to pass what president Obama considers his major goal, defining his presidency?

Could it be that you're not a republican, never been one and just a goofy troll? We see post's like your's alot and they are easy to dismantle and expose as fakery.

Come on man, the democrats ARE running this circus and they are afraid of their own proposals so they keep tossing out the republicans are stupid, radical, uncooperative nutjobs who won't let us get our way.

If what they are proposing is so great, they don't need obnoxious, obstructionist republicans to bash. They would simply push their agenda-legislation through and call it great and take all the glory.

Oop's, I guess there are Democrats that are in disagreement with the new "status quo" that are tossing the wrench into the spinning Obamabus wheels?

At least have the balls to call yourself a democrat while you're driving Ms. Daisy.

A West Point graduate should know better than to show disrespect to a Commander in Chief. He has shown that as he is no longer an officer, he is no longer a gentleman, either.

Thank you Driver.... I'm a Democrat but I couldn't agree more with you. You hit it right on the head.

Lying about WMD: OK
Tax cuts during TWO wars: OK
Creation of new branch of gov't: OK
Patriot Act: OK

Affordable health care: HELL NO!

Uninformed Republicans amuse me. Perhaps you should all do some unbiased fact checking before parroting talking points screamed by talking heads on Fox News.

Unprofessional, disgraceful, disrespectful, immature, undemocratic, unamerican. This man is a disgrace to his office.

Did democratic congressmen walk out on Bush ever? Did they hold up signs, yell disrespectful statements in our nation's capital building? Have any congressmen of either party done this before to any sitting president? No.

Why now? Is it racism? Is it that Republican have become so childish that they can't even sit quietly through a speech? Is it that the republicans do not respect the outcome of our democratically elected president? Yes, it is all three.

Four years ago if you dared to even question the president, these same people called you a traitor. They are hypocrites. They are racists. They are undeserving of the offices they hold. Anybody who votes for these fools is a fool. Don't republicans have anything better to offer our country?

Dear nutjobs: there is nothing in the health care bill that covers people who aren't U.S. citizens. You are stupid. Please shut up. Thank you.

I ask the same question I always do to a Democrats social proposal.....how will you pay for it? Even the CBO says Obama is smokin' something with his estimates. The Democrats have no interest in bi-partisanship. As Rahm or Nancy said.....WE WON.
Obama makes Bush look like a piker when it comes to expanding the deficit. Gee, wasn't that a problem when Bush was in power but now, chango switcho - Democrats are in power and the deficit is nary a problem. There will be no reasonable solution here or anywhere because people are too happy to just keep yelling and screaming and not listening. This country is centrist in nature - and a recent Gallup poll proves the point that we are essentially a conservative population. (didn't see those poll results in the main stream media did you?)
Why is it that the extremists in both parties are the ones who are listened to???
Washington needs to be turned on its head so all of our money falls out of their pockets and we can start over again. OK, Obama won but that doesn't mean he has carte blanche. He still has to make a case for his programs and simply saying the same thing 100 times doesn't make it TRUE. Volume and repetition do not equal truth.

Yay! More "patriotic" actions from a member of the Party of "No."
And for those of you who said that Obama said nothing new, please turn up your hearing aids!

Looks like I'll have to make a campaign contribution to Shimkus now, too.

If the GOP had something Block Buster Plan to put on the table why haven't they?? The only thing they like to do is stomp, holler, spew lies and can't handle the truth. It is just like a vampire when they see the light they run back into their darkness!!! So let them all walk out!! Truth hurts!!

If the GOP had some Block Buster Plan to put on the table why haven't they (oh O forgot the Prez won't let them)?? The only thing they like to do is stomp, holler, spew lies and can't handle the truth. It is just like a vampire when they see the light they run back into their darkness!!! So let them all walk out!! Truth hurts!!

What's the name of that drug to treat incontinence?Could the lack of same explain the hasty departure?

OK Rick here's two things:

1) The liberals will have to live without the public option as they wanted it. 2) The Republicans now know the President would like to explore the possiblility of malpractice reform.
You didn't get that? I thought you were an astute political analyst and a knowledgable Republican operative. Guess I over-rated you.

Best Regards

I think the Congress would be much better off if every Republican left. They contribute nothing of value when they are there.

Obama has no class or manner himself. Did you forget how much emotion he had calling that Police officer "Stupid"?!? He can dish it but he cant take it... He was a nobody in Chicago and is a Nobody now. Stop his crazy socialist ways. Thank You Wilson & Shimkus

It's amazing: lazy liberals want the government or the wealthy to pay for everything. What happened to a country that worked hard and earned a living instead of expecting the government to take care of every need? This is crazy!

It's amazing: lazy liberals want the government or the wealthy to pay for everything. What happened to a country that worked hard and earned a living instead of expecting the government to take care of every need? This is crazy!

The President has repeatedly stated he wants a bipartisan solution, and has tried time and again to coax the Republicans into negotiations, but they refuse, refuse, refuse, because, while most want compromise, they are terrified of the extremists who have taken their party hostage. To agree with Obama on *anything* or even to appear to be willing to meet him half way means an almost certain political death sentence in the next GOP primary. The people they ought to be shouting "Liar!" to and walking out on are the partisan haters who are dragging the Republican Party into oblivion.

Good for Shimkus. Too much Kool-Aid causes bladder infections.

The man was following what he felt in his heart. Look at what BHO was doing - lack of respect for ANYONE or any group that is against him - real class - he is a shill for Nancy!

You republicans are ridiculous. You are doing exactly what the insurance companies want you to do - protecting their profits for them. At your own expense. Wake up! This president is trying to do a wonderful thing for all of us - even you guys. I wish he would exempt republicans from the health care plan. Or even better - when it becomes available, exempt yourself. Don't buy in. Keep buying overpriced insurance plans that won't even cover you when you get sick. Refuse to even think about switching to the public plan. Yeah right. And your grandma's going to give up her Medicare too.

Republicans claim they' bear no responsibilty at disruptions at town hall meetings, but look at what they were up to last night while a US President spoke to a joint session of Congress.

Who are the real liars?

I am puzzled, if this health care plan that Obama is trying to shove down our throats is so good, then as president I believe he should show the courage and leadership and cancel HIS gold plated, tax payer supported health insurance and tell the country he'll take the Obama-care plan he endorses. The same for our elected officials...of course they won't...why?

What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?

Posted by: a blinkin | September 10, 2009 3:30 PM
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It says "pull yourself up from your bootstraps and heal yourself you whiney quitters!"

Posted by: simply the truth
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Pretty easy to say that, "truth", when you have a Congressman's healthcare package, isn't it?

At some point, true conservative fiscal policy and the efficient use of capital will need to honor compassionate conservatism's position
towards post right-to-life's quality of life. At some point, a debate on the issue of population control needs to occur. Semantics are the tools of entrenched lobbyists. Either we are postive or we are negative, on a Net basis.

Republicans do a very good job of representing the interests of insurance company leeches.

Please give me a break. The GOP had control of congress for 12 years and a president before Bush that would have signed any Health Reform bill brought to him. Where is it. They did nothing because they were so confident in "permanent GOP majority", they felt they didnt have to do anything. And now they complain. There are more than 250 amendments from the right side of the aisle, so where is it that they werent involved. And this lunacy kills me after the you didnt vote for us, we dont have to listen to you administration of Bush/Cheney. Stop the lies and the whining. This was disrespectful and if a dem had done it to bush when he lied about Iraq, you would have gone crazy. Please stop the double standard the extreme's in both parties live by.

My lovely and brilliant wife pointed this out to me this morning after watching video of President Obama's address on health care reform. She heard the shouted "you lie!" from the Republican "peanut gallery" without knowing anything else about the incident. We don't watch a lot of network news because it's so abysmally bad, but it was worth sitting through the usual "meat-puppet misinterpretation" for this.

Know what my wife said?

My wife heard Joe Wilson's shouted insult. She immediately said, "I'll bet that's a Southern white guy talking down to that uppity 'boy' in the White House. You wouldn't be hearing that if the President was another white guy."

Bingo.

Joe Wilson, in his no-class, mouth-breather fashion, has demonstrated once again the fundamentally racist nature of today's regional rump of a Republican party. It doesn't matter what Obama says, what he proposes, what he writes. The corrupt Republicans will be viscerally opposed to every single thing he attempts...because he's a 'boy' who doesn't know his place. No matter his incredible accomplishment in reaching the highest office in the land in the face of ferocious opposition from the Clinton machine and Karl Rove's winged monkeys. They will always have contempt for him because he is black.

People of America, I give you: your modern Republican party.

GOOD!! ALL the rethugs should of left cause they sure aren't doing a thing! How many times can a man extend an olive branch only to have it rebuked again and again and again???

Let the GOPers ROT!!!

I ask the same question I always do to a Democrats social proposal
Posted by: FedUpInChiTown | September 10, 2009 4:42 PM

Really...did you ask about how to pay for the war of choice in Iraq? Did they tell you oil? How'd that work out for you.

In the middle of President Obama's speech on healthcare, Republican Congressman Joe Wilson cried "You Lie!" from his seat on the floor.

This is unprecedented in all the long and dreary history of recent American presidents. Many people are upset. I mean, when George W. Bush was in there didn't the Democrats give him standing ovations without ever knowing why? On January 28, 2003, Mr. Bush told a joint session of Congress: - "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Did anyone heckle Our Dear Leader when he told that whopper?

Fellow Americans, do not despair!

The dignity of our great deliberative bodies is intact.

This incident is just a little misunderstanding. You see, Mr. Wilson thought he was sitting in the South Carolina Legislature listening to a sermon on "family values" by Republican Gov. Mark Sanford.

Now, doesn't that make you feel better?

What. A. Jerk.

Looks like at least a couple Republicans need to have their diapers changed last night.

I think it's interesting that the Democrats are crying "foul" and bemoaning any disrespect of the President. Seems to me that their behavior was equally disrespectful (or worse) of President Bush. While I know this wasn't driven by the Democratic Party, I don't recall seeing any derogatory and mocking movies made about Obama as have been made about Bush. And, I think anyone would be hard-pressed to argue against the fact that the media has been much kinder to Obama.

I'm not justifying any of it; I think the office of the President deserves respect... disagreement is acceptable and, frankly, desirable. That's what drives democracy. But respect is always warranted.

It just seems to me that this type of coverage is a bit hypocritical.

How come during the Bush administration conservatives loved to say that liberals were unpatriotic yet they feel it is acceptable to walk out on the President of the United States? Whether you agree with what he is saying or not, it is highly disrespectful (and therefore unpatriotic) to walk out in the middle of a speech given by the President. If you disagree, don't attend the event. But once you are there, sit down and shut up until the event is over.

My, what delicate sensibilities the Republicans have. I wonder how Mr. Shimkus would handle having his citizenship questioned, being called a racist, disparaged as a socialist who is out to destroy the country, and accused of being a proponent of death panels. Reap what you sow Congressman. You and your party have be extraordinarily nasty. Consequently, no one wants to play with you.

Maybe Shimkus ran out of Flomax.

The antics of the right wing of the Republican last night show their intolerance of being "talked down to" by the President. Why, 40 years ago, if a black person had gotten that uppity with these angry old dinosaurs, there would have been a cross burning or two...

Last night's tantrums showed the nation that the flying monkey party really could use a diaper change. Strong work, Shimkus.

I am puzzled, if this health care plan that Obama is trying to shove down our throats is so good, then as president I believe he should show the courage and leadership and cancel HIS gold plated, tax payer supported health insurance and tell the country he'll take the Obama-care plan he endorses. The same for our elected officials...of course they won't...why?

Posted by: de kingfish | September 10, 2009 4:53 PM

If all it would take to pass comprehensive reform would be for gov't officials to take it too, that would occur. The problem, of course, is that "arguments" like the above are, like everything Republican, phony. If Obama said "yes" you clowns would still say "no."

Dear rightwing whackjobs, STOP fabricating and falsifying a health care reform bill you know absolutely NOTHING about - you are not doing anything but stirrring the pot for the rest of you rightwing loonies - apparently you need something more constructive to do...go haunt a house or something if you really feel the need to get your rocks off.

Get over it!!!! Obama layed out his plan as best as he could. We went to war with LESS and the Dem's never stooped to the level some republicans are doing today.

cjr "They have destroyed the party of Lincoln and no longer represent the standards that he stood for".

So let me get this straight, in your view, the crooked democrats that run the fine state of illinois along with crook county and that wonderful city of chicgao uphold the standards that Lincoln stood for? Very interesting!

What's The Frequency, Joe Wilson?"

"What's the frequency, Joe Wilson?" is it your Benzedrine, uh-huh
You were a brain-dead Republican, locked out, numb, not up to speed
I thought I'd pegged you an idiot's dream
Tunnel vision from the outsider's screen
I never understood your crazy Republican requency, uh-huh
You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh

I'd studied your cartoons, radio, music, TV, movies, magazines
Wilson said, "Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy"
A smile like the cartoon, tooth for a tooth
You said that irony was the shackles of youth
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I never understood your crazy Republican frequency, uh-huh

"What's the frequency, Joe Wilson?" is it your Benzedrine, uh-huh
Butterfly decal, rear-view mirror, dogging the scene
You smile like the cartoon, tooth for a tooth
You said that irony was the shackles of youth
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I never understood your crazy Republican frequency, uh-huh
You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
You said that irony was the shackles of youth, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
You wore a shirt of violent green, uh-huh
I couldn't understand
I never understood....you Republican nutjobs are crazy uh-huh

de kingfish,

You are proof of the ignorance preventing positive discourse on this issue. Why would post such an idiotic comment? If you reread your comment and don't think it ignorant, it means only one thing...YOU ARE IGNORANT! Maybe you should be out selling Palin T-Shirts.

Shimkus is just one more unpatriotic, disrespectful, look at me - I have NO idea what I am doing or how to think for myself - my leaders (Cantor as a leader? GOD HELP US!!!!!) tell me everything I need to know and how I should think and vote......wouldn't be surprised if they actually picked out his tie for him as well!!!!!!

...have you given thought to the possibility of a PSA failure...a possible prostate glitch of some sort? Be nice.

It's fascinating that health care reform (and a version that is much milder than most of our fellow OECD countries) elicits more anger and disrespectful behavior on the part of lawmakers than did starting a war on grounds that even at the time were highly suspect.

I liked the speech. I like the public option. I employ 25 folks and contribute to their hospitalization. The second the public plan goes into effect I will cancel the policy and pay the fine and let them go to the public option. I'll save a bundle. In a few years the country will go broke. Then I will buy my health care from Cuba as endorsed by the Congressional Black Caucus

All Republicans are NOT conservative, corrupt people any more than Democrats are all liberal, entitlement people. Measure a person on their deeds, please. Talk is cheap and Washington excels at it. This is still our country and we'd better learn to work together as a team or we will die as individuals. We all really do want the same things: I do not want people who are unable to pay for healthcare to go without treatment. It goes to the respect and sanctity of human life. But I don't want to work hard, if I can find a job, so my tax dollars can pay for someone who simply chooses to freeload just because they can. Don't we all agree to that? If so, why don't we all read the document (the bill) and ask our "representatives" to do the right thing...be they democrat OR republican. If they do not, we'll vote them out. If they do, we'll keep them in. In the meantime, I am committed to doing what I can in my community to help people find jobs, teaching skills to underpriviledged, and giving to the homeless shelter in town. Until you are doing your part, however large or small, you really have no room to complain. Someone is always less fortunate than I. It is service to each other that is the wages we pay for the privilege of living on this earth, be you republican or democrat.

Despicable. No one in either House has treated a president in this way. I don't care who's in office.

This kind of behavior is despicable.

more and more it's obvious that the republicans are nothing but a left over of the kkk.

Hey Joe Wilson!

Hey Joe Wilson, where you goin' with that gun in your hand
Hey Joe Wilson, I said where you goin' with that gun in your hand

I'm going down to shoot my career
You know, I've caught her messin' around with another man
I'm going down to shoot my career
You know, I've caught her messin' around with another man
And that ain't too cool

Hey Joe Wilson, I've heard you shot your career down,
shot it down, now
I said I've heard you shot your career down,
You shot it down to the ground

Yes I did, I shot it
You know, I caught it messin' round, messin' round town
Yes I did, I shot it down
You know, I caught my goonish Republican party messin' around town
And I gave it the gun
I SHOT IT!

Hey Joe Wilson, alright
Shoot it one more time, baby

Hey Joe Wilson, said now
Where you gonna run to now?
Where you gonna run to?
Hey Joe Wilson, I said where you gonna run to now?
Where you, where you gonna go?
Well, dig it

I'm goin' way down south,
Way down to Mexico way
Alright!
I'm goin' way down south,
Way down where I can be free
Ain't no one gonna find me

Ain't no censorship man gonna,
He ain't gonna put a rope around me
You better believe it right now
I gotta go now
Hey Joe Wilson, you better run on down
Good bye everybody
Hey Joe Wilson, uhh
Run on down

There where Liars in that room last night unfortunately they were all sitting on their hands when they were not booing .

The so called Fiscal responsible Republican’s speak of the National Debt yet under Regan and H.W. Bush they increased the National debt from approximately nine-hundred Billion dollars to about four -trillion dollars. In Clinton’s eight years in office the debt increased another trillion dollars yet we had a surplus and for the first time in decades have a real chance to reduce the National debt..When Bush II was in office with a Republican majority they increased the National Debt to ten- point -five trillion dollars, ran the economy to the ground and have set us on financial ruin.

One thing we have learned from the Republicans they can talk the talk but they cannot walk the walk. For reference, just See George W. Bush Administration and his Congress for details.

Rep. Shimkus, might be the only Republican left that has any guts,
certainly Joe Wilson hasn't any.
I'm hard pressed to find any of
the Republican senators that have
any guts. Everyone seems to have
a short memory when it comes to the way President Bush was treated for eight years. If I was Joe Wilson I would have cut out my tongue before I would have apologized to
anyone in the Democratic party,
How, any of them especially Peloski, Reid, Conyers, the list is long and undistinguished.

Did he cover his ears and stomp his feet as he left?

The repugs are just being obstructionists. They serve no purpose whatsoever. They had 8 years to come up with something and they did...nothing. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. Obama needs to quit trying to include them. They will not compromise on ANYTHING. They get their marching orders from wingnuts like Rush Limbo. Why doesn't he get this? This is one of the reasons his poll numbers keep dropping.

I feel like this country cannot have a civil discourse with itself. Too many politicians on both sides of the aisle are too concerned with their own power, distinction, and wealth to do what is moral. It's turned into kids bullying each other on the playground. Something is rumbling below the surface of all of this. It feels like this country is heading for a civil war of Republicans versus Democrats. We're on the brink of tearing ourselves apart over ideology. It's frightening as a 25 year old to wonder what the country is going to be like in another 25 years. Look at these posts, it's nothing but hate. I hope we can make it.

To be fair, Shimkus actually crapped his pants when he realized what his Republipuke party was up against. So I don't blame him for walking out. It was actually very considerate of those in his immediate vicinity.

Call it the Sarah Palin doctrine.

im so tired of racist people who whine and conplain about everything Mr. Obama does.He won ,let him do his job.Anyone who dosent want to hear what he has to say,then leave,go live in Iraq.

It's amazing to me how truly mean spirited all you Dems/liberals are out there. There are two parties in this country, should there be three, yes, but isn't if funny, when someone asks questions about how things are going to be paid for (us evil
hard working conservatives can't cover all your free spending and government handouts forever, sooner or later our money is going to run out). We have our bills to pay. When you close all those big bad insurance companies, what will those people do for employment? Add more to our great free hand out of welfare? Lose their homes? This whole thing is just a bigger problem with a president that if anyone who listened past the hope and change nonsense, would have known, he was nothing but an egotistical socialist. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with an unqualified smoke and mirrors
mean spirited machine running the country. And everyone waiting for a handout from the government, should be ashamed of themselves. This is not the country your grandfathers, great grandfathers and fathers fought for.
What did Margaret Thatcher say? The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money to spend. Keep taking the taxes from all those rich folks, and pretty soon, there isn't any more money. What then? Start speaking Chinese?

It's not that the Democrats won't let the Republicans participate. It's that the only thing the GOP has to offer is to say we "don't want that." The party of "NO!" has become nothing more of a shouting gallery. It kills me when the Republicans complain about immigration. They were in complete charge for 6 years and never did a single thing about it. The GOP has become a party that only cares about being reelected. They never accomplish anything other than lying to start an unnecessary war.

Congrats Obama for bringing a new low to DC. Chicago thug politics and a dummy who just reads off a teleprompter. If this guy is considered a great speaker or thinker, God help us all.

This is a football game to the Right Wingers. They could give a s**t about what happens to people without healthcare.

They lost the football game last year and now they're mad as hell.

What a bunch of hypocritical babies. These same people supported the war with "whose money??" Well, if it were my choice about where my tax dollars go, it would be for health care over an easily predicable quagmire called Iraq.

And for the record, the entire World loves Obama, including at least 50% of Americans. The only people that hate him now are whacked-out Americans who lost their football game and can't get over it. Oh, and maybe some Somalians.

im so tired of racist people who whine and complain about everything Mr. Obama does.He won ,let him do his job.Anyone who dosent want to hear what he has to say,then leave,go live in Iraq.

Does "why" really matter? It's bad manners of course, but the level of frustration experienced by the Congressman should be balanced into the equation. IMO, the president merely reiterated the need for Healthcare reform and put a number of falsehoods to bed (ie. no Healthcare for illegal immigrants). Problems within HR 3200 still exists ("significant" details need to be ironed out) and the President knows this.

I like the idea of mandated insurance for all, but does that mean that we deny service to those without? If service is provided and we fine them, how is this any different than them being taxed in the 1st place? What's the penalty for not having insurance and how far are we willing to go to extract the fine?

" bill r": I see you didn't want to tackle the question of what Obama said that was new and hadn't been said in the previous 112 attempts to explain the health care bill. Discretion sometimes is the better part of valor.

BTW, it is better than even money the only reason Obama gave a speech to the joint session of Congress is that was they only way he could the networks to cover it, again. Well, that trump card has now been played. No arrows left in the quiver.

Rick

Shimkus is just another southern Illinois racist who should be stripped of his seat for conduct unbecoming of his position.

" Mick Hendrix": I didn't skip school. 45 years ago I graduated sixth in my class.

I did like the "NO SOUP FOR YOU" line, but I wonder if that makes you the "Soup Nazi".

Rick

Once again, the Republican/Libertarian fringe has won the day. They continue to sacrifice a national discussion for the sake of their hapless agenda. All I can do is, encourage them to discontinue their childish behavior and think of the greater good: An America that is fair to all of her citizens !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

He now looks like a dumb jerk. Before, I don't know what he looked like. Maybe that's what he wanted.

Screw the Republicans??? Once more you idiot Left Nuts are making this a Left/Right issue. When will you understand that this president won; and barely so and does not have a mandate. He barely won...and that's after Bush and with McCain's horrible campaign. Most of us are not Republican or Democrat in all aspects. We are moderate and centrist. Most of my friends are of the same thought and are pissed off that you Left Nuts are grouping us with Conservative thought. More than half of all Americans don't like what this guy is saying...he's not saying anything it seems. We want facts and figures because it's our money at stake; our kids money too. Stop asking the Right what their plan is...Obama won the damn election and now it's his job to explain to us what is going on. So screw you, you left nutted buffoon and stop calling anyone that doesn't agree with King Obama a Right Wing freak.

Once again, the Republican/Libertarian fringe has won the day. They continue to sacrifice a national discussion for the sake of their hapless agenda. All I can do is, encourage them to discontinue their childish behavior and think of the greater good: An America that is fair to all of her citizens !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

My wife heard Joe Wilson's shouted insult. She immediately said, "I'll bet that's a Southern white guy talking down to that uppity 'boy' in the White House. You wouldn't be hearing that if the President was another white guy."
Posted by: Robert | September 10, 2009 5:08 PM

Yo Bobby: What if a similar generalization was made about an "African American" or "X"???

Then, what would you have thought? Who's the racist now?

@Robert - Thanks for your comment. I didn't think it would take as long for someone to pull out the race card. Good job!

Being frustrated is not a reason to walk out. To me, it means that he has a maturity problem. If you don't like what's going on, then do something about it, idiot!!! Walking out doesn't solve anything and doesn't help anyone with the health care issues.

Get some Flomax, Shimkus!

Obama has no respect for anyone who disagrees with him. Where was he on health care reform when he was a senator? Campaigning?

We all know Republicans are lousy at running economies and wars, as they've proven every time they're in power, but we should listen to them on this health care reform.

The 4-point Republican Health Care Reform Plan:

1. "YOU'RE A LIAR!"
2. "YOU'RE A SOCIALIST!"
3. "YOU'RE A NAZI!"
4. "MOMMY...MOMMY...WAAAAHHHH!"

Each day, the Republican Party becomes more and more irrelevant.

And the nation is better for this.

I live in Shimkus' district, this kind of silliness is not new. He avoids talking with anyone who disagrees with him and when you do FINALLY get to see him, he'll walk out and leave an aide to supposedly take notes. The guy wouldn't know reality if it hit him in the hiney, he thinks that if you can't afford insurance, you are trash and not worth being an American anyway.
He has voted to end Medicare and will tell you what kind of waste it is. How he fools enough people each election, I don't know.

Hippocrates the weren't so indignant and outrage during the last eight years of record breaking deficit expending.

Hold Rep. Shimkus accountable:

His email form:

http://shimkus.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=54§iontree=51,54

Use "Maryville" and zip code: "62062-0011" to bypass constituent filter.

Mick Hendrix": I didn't skip school. 45 years ago I graduated sixth in my class.I did like the "NO SOUP FOR YOU" line, but I wonder if that makes you the "Soup Nazi".

Posted by: Rick Caird | September 10, 2009 6:07 PM
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Lil' Ricky the Trained Seal,

Graduating high school in Texas under Shurb Jr's "no Repug idiot left behind" program, like you did, doesn't count as having "graduated" out here in the real world. In the real world we learned how to read and write and do math in high school, in Texas you learned how to shoot squirrels, chew tobacky and salute the Confederate flag.

Try again....

Shimkus is a global warming denier who recently said, "God decides when the earth will end." or something close. He also would like a constitutional amendment to make flag burning illegal, is anti choice, anti gay rights, and on and on. Coulda been worse. He might have had a loud hissy fit as well.

48,000,000 Americans are without healthcare coverage - that is from the US Census Bureas, folks. Almost 8,000,000 children are without protection and aid other than emergency medical care - which taxpayers handle!

Republicants love to whine about what the administration is doing BUT OFFER NO ALTERNATIVE! They simply pretend that things will be better if we ignore the problem. We ignored them last election.

It's hard to believe that anyone would support an activity that will bankrupt the country. People who support the level of debt that Obama is presenting do not understand the impact this debt will have directly on their future standard of living.

Posted by: David Novak | September 10, 2009 4:21 PM
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So it is OK for people to die tomorrow so that people in the future have a "better" standard of living? If that's the debate, you lose.

As Senator Lindsay Graham put it, this speech was a partisan pep rally. It did little to unite Republicans and Democrats, and was just another cheap attempt to force bad legislation down the throats of our citizens. Bi-partisanship means the President looks to both parties for solutions. This bill does not contain one scrap of a Republican idea in it, and the most offensive provisions are still in the bill. Compromise means both sides add to the legislation, not that the Republicans obey the commands of the President and mindlessly support this bill.

I have no quarrel with anyone's politics. Like it or not, everyone's entitled to their own. But I am from Shimkus' southeastern Illinois district, and this juvenile, rude, behavior from a highly paid government official is deplorable. How can you go around honking your horn about leading the free world, and then have these clowns like Shimkus, Gohmert and Wilson acting like they are in some 3rd world loony bin. What kind of example do they set for our children? Shimkus as well as Wilson owes ALL of us an apology for his behavior.

de kingfish,

You are proof of the ignorance preventing positive discourse on this issue. Why would post such an idiotic comment? If you reread your comment and don't think it ignorant, it means only one thing...YOU ARE IGNORANT! Maybe you should be out selling Palin T-Shirts.

Posted by: Mutso | September 10, 2009 5:38 PM

My dear Mutso, thank you for your kind words. I repeat if Obama's plan is so good then he should show the leadership he was elected to and cancell HIS excellent health plan and accept the plan he endorses. I happen to be on medicare I paid for many before me and you Mutso will be paying mine..thank you. By the way I happen to be a registered Dem..and I vote, do you?

It's pretty clear that the Republicans could care less about the people of this country. They need to fade away to the dustbin of history.

Peter S. Karlovics says: "not that the Republicans obey the commands of the President and mindlessly support this bill."

Oh....you mean like 100% of Republicans did with every lousy Constitution-shredding, illegal, budget-busting, anti-American worker thing George W Bush did for 3/4ths of his Presidency?

Only Democrats with their extreme left solutions will be allowed in the World of Obama. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Filmore | September 10, 2009 3:33 PM

No, it doesn't. Which comic strip is that from?

Obama has no respect for anyone who disagrees with him. Where was he on health care reform when he was a senator? Campaigning?

This assertion is a lie, period, end of story:

"Congressman Shimkus was frustrated that the president was not offering any new ground and left with just minutes remaining in the speech,'' Shimkus spokesman Steven Tomaszewski said today in response to our question about the late-speech walk-out.

The text of our President's speech was released well before he took the podium. Republican whackjob Shimkus knew exactly what the President was going to offer, and he deliberately left as a purposeful sign of disrepect to both President Obama and the Office of President.

Where were you Repubs the last ten years when GW and the majorities in both houses spent us into the poor house. What did we get for our money? A tax credit for the wealthy and two wars. Thank you for that. Health care is screwed up. Bottom line. Anytime anyone can get denied service, insurance revoked or can't pay it is a life changer. There but for the grace of god goes Bernie Madoff. Step off your high horse and think about how would you like for health insurance to work if you lose your job, can't afford COBRA and are not Medicare/Medicaid eligible? What if your child get's sick? It is a disgrace that there is not an easy answer to these questions. Plain and simple the system needs to be overhauled so that it works for us and not against us. Now please scream "Lie".

Until this election, I've always voted repub. And I've never seen such poor loosers as the repubs, this time. It's amazing. Why??? I can't pin it on anything except...

Bidden - what a joke
Pelosi - another joker
Obama - the biggest joker
What a bunch of well paid liars.

More people should have walked out and shouted liar!!! The truth hurts, Obama.
I'll never call Obama, President!

this guy is an un-American racist in the likes of Glenn Beck!!! As a veteran, I am ashamed to be associated with someone who would have felt comfortable with the likes of Stalin, Hitler, the old confederacy and other blood letting pyscopaths!!!!!!! Move to Iran BIATCH!!!!

If the Republicans have such a great healthcare reform plan, why didn't they pass it between 2000 and 2006, when they controlled Congress and the president?

What we have NOW is Republican healthcare reform.

Democrats treated Bush with respect, even when he was saying outrageous untruths that had been disproved for years, like that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Even though we could not respect the man, we showed respect for the office of President of the United States.

The Republicans are merely betraying their lack of class -- not winning over any converts.

The majority of voters in the U.S. elected President Obama to push through healthcare reform -- and he will do so. Any Republican who stands in the way is miscalculating the voter's commitment to this issue.

This is the same Shimkus, who violated his term-limit pledge which tells you something about the man!

John Shimkus said he favored term limits because "the people want them."

The president has looked to both paries for solutions. He tried to have a bipartisan cabinet, but Repos balked. They have also contributed NOTHING substantial to the healthcare debate except fear tactics to influence the masses, who they consider idiots.

Like herding sheep to slaughter. Mindless Obamabots.

Go ahead and follow Obama off the edge of the flat earth. Just don't expect us who use our brains to follow.

Hey Sheep!

What's the Obama plan?

I watched the speech and don't have a clue.

The Congressional districts will be redrawn after the 2010 census. Illinois is expected to lose another seat. No doubt that will come from the central/southern part of the state. That will no doubt make it harder for a loose cannon like Shimkus re-elected.

You know what makes me maddest of all?

It's the thought that ALL Legislators, Congressmen and Senators have COMPLETE coverage all paid for by the citizens of the USA. They don't have to worry about NOTHING..but they deny the same for the citizens (read: taxpayers).

There's only one solution which has proved to move us forward when everything else has failed. I suspect both Wilson and Shimkus will be promptly invited to the White House to discuss their differences over a cold beer with the President :)
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PPS I kinda dig that our Congressmen had some type of visceral reaction considering that historically most of them haven't so much as blinked an eye since President Bush took office (Pelosi). Glad someone is alive while this country steers into the 21st century with major wars, economic issues, and reforms on the plate. Please move more. Feel free to foam at the mouth kick scream and throw your fists around in the thin air. It's not only called for, it's what this country was founded on, bloody discourse.

Slimukkus, or whatever his name is, demonstrates the what Repimplicans do when somebody shouts the truth at them; They plug their ears and make noises so they don't have to hear.

Last night a Republican congressman essentially called the President of the United States a liar during a nationally televised speech delivered before both Houses of Congress. The congressman, Joe Wilson of South Carolina, has since offered a feeble apology. And to their credit, it appears that some Republicans actually called upon him to apologize.

But what if the shoe were on the other foot? What if a Democratic congressman had interrupted one of Bush's speeches to Congress by calling Bush a liar? What do you think would have happened then?

I can tell you what would have happened. There would have been immediate demands from Republicans that the offending Democrat resign his office. The next day, the Republican leadership in both houses of Congress would introduce resolutions condemning the congressman for his disrespect of the president.

Naturally, the Democratic congressman would get no support from members of his own party. They would be falling all over themselves to condemn his outburst themselves, lest they be accused of tolerating that kind of behavior, or even worse, of being "Bush haters." The resolutions of censure would pass with the support of all Republicans and strong majorities of Democrats. The congressman might even be driven to resign. Even if not, he'd be subjected to protests in his district and in Washington. (Needless to say, the news media would join the baying hounds calling for his head.)

But Joe Wilson is a Republican. So I'm betting that none of the above will happen to him. His party will circle the wagons around him and defend him against all comers. He'll even develop something of a fan club because of it. You can be virtually certain that Joe Wilson will survive this incident.

And that, my friends, is the difference between the two parties in a nutshell. (Somehow seemed appropriate to quote John McCain.)

This is all I hear from the liberals

Whaaaaaaaa whaaaaa
government help me,
govermnent feed me
goverment give me a job
government give me a house
waaaaaaaaa

im a completely useless without goverment controling me.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

goverment give me
goverment i will be your slave if you help me

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Joe Wilson is treasonous & juvenile Republican piece of crap. No apology matters once you make a flapping jacka*s of yourself and look like a juvenile delinquent in front of millions of people.

What the hell is going on in South Carolina anyway?
Wilson looks like the Grand Wizard of the KKK and acts like a two year old pitching a hissy fit and Argentinian Loverboy is still spewing garbage???

Do the people of South Carolina NOT care who represents them?

And all of this goes for you too Shimkus!

Both parties have proven themselves unworthy of running the country. The Democrats stonewalled during the Bush adminstration, and the GOP is stonewalling now. Both acted childishly toward the elected chief executives, and both are dominated by corporate special interests. Ask yourselves why the insurance companies support this plan, and why they donated so much to the Democrats last election cycle.

The Democrats have indicated time and again that they want to hear the ideas from the other side of the aisle. So far, no ideas have come forth except to complain that universal health care will cost too much. Well, news flash, folks: every time an uninsured person gets care at an emergency room, it costs ALL OF US. And we who carry health insurance--whether it's offered through our employer or we purchase it on our own--are paying TOO MUCH so that carriers like Blue Cross Blue Shield (the nation's largest, covering 100 million of the nation's 300 million people) can make huge profits. Did you ever try to read an Explanation of Benefits statement? As long as it's for something simple, like a doctor's visit, you can probably decipher it. But if you've had any kind of lengthy treatment or hospitalization, you need special training to decode it (and figure out if you've received the level of benefit you were entitled to). How do I know this? I am in the business of helping employees understand and use their health insurance more effectively.

I am not a fan of Obama. He hasn't done anything but fund federal abortions since he came into office. However, Wilson should know better. As a West point grad one learns to respect the rank & the office of a superior. You may not like what he has to say, but that is ABSOLUTELY no excuse in disrespecting the office of the presidency. It does not matter who is in that office. I am disgusted.

More people should have walked out. Obama's real plans are hidden. It's taking all sorts of people to try to decipher what's in the bill and, the more that comes out, the less that people are liking it.

One thing that is interesting is how the liberals haven't comment on the number of uninsured. Obama nd the other Liberals have been using the 47 million number for many, many months.

Obama used 30 million last night. Imagine if Bush changed his number! The liberals would be going berserk at how stupid he is and, in this case, they're silent.

Whatever the case, this whole healthcare issue is quicksand for us. They should start over.

WWAAAAAAA!!!!!

The Republicans are such a bunch of babies!

Elections, as Americans learned on 9/11/01, have consequences. Put the wrong people in power, and you get burned.

But you fight to live another day.

ABC reported tonight that a key insider in the FBI was pulled off the trail of the main 9/11 attacker.

Why?

Who in the Republican party wanted 9/11 to go down?

It doesn't matter.

The nation has learned and recovered.

Now, in the midst of real reform - reform that the Republicans now say has long been overdue but did nothing to enact during their 6 years in power (to busy chasing boy pages through the halls of Congress, I guess) - the Republican leadership wants to act like spoiled children.

That's fine with me.

And that ought to be fine with the Democratic leadership.

A change has come to D.C.

The BIG BOYS AND GIRLS are back where they belong: in power.

What Wilson did is not only pathetic and, unfortunately, typical of todays Republican party, it's also against House rules which means he should be censored.

Wilson was also lying (big surprise!). There has been no proposal--not the President's, not the House, not the Senate, not the Democratic Party--to cover illegal immigrants.

Wilson is a liar. He apologized for "incivility"...but, He hasn't apologized for LYING!

Listen to the right wingnuts on this forum. They try to excuse the totally unacceptable behavior on the part of their elected louts. Time for the right wingnuts to grow up and become adults.

acorn equals goodbye obama

It's amazing to read the insults thrown back and forth about the need to be civil. Nothing like a bit of irony to top off the day.

BO is a great speech giver - the question is- what will he actually DO? So far, it's been spend lots of money, blame his problems on other people, and circumvent Congressional oversight of his advisors by calling them czars.
Gosh, why don't people trust him to do the right thing?

First a few questions for liberals and I want a serious answer not the usual crap about Bush because I am an independent and could care less about him: Who do you think is going to pay for all of the handouts (free health care, cash for clunkers, etc., etc.)? Do you have any idea what that type of thinking can do to our nation in the long run? Do you even for a second realize that we are spinning into a 2nd rate power thanks to nearly everything we buy/sell is made in China and Asia? We were NOT built on satisfying all of the people who stand in line with their hands out. We were built on the free market, entrepreneurship, risk taking, and survival of the fittest allowing the best man/woman/company to win and prosper. That has created millions of jobs and trillions in economic benefit. If you start requiring people/businesses to pay into this idea of free stuff for anyone who wants it (and we have 300+ million people in this country) you are looking at even more economic erosion and tax rates similar to Canada in the 40-50% range. More importantly, China is one of the USA's biggest creditors. They hold the IOUs and are responsible for much of the manufacturing that US companies rely on. Isn't anyone scared about that? We instead are arguing about street bums having the right to get antibiotics for their infected teeth. It is pathetic. My message is stop arguing about health care and focus on mending our economy with the first step being getting manufacturing back in the USA.

KPO'M
I have to disagree. The Dems gave Bush nearly everything he wanted, even post 2006.

My healthcare plan is considered one of the best in the country. However, I have watched my employer deny wage increases while increasing the level of premiums paid by each employee. All of the above is due to the unsustainable health care cost. I am an Independent and I am sick of all the name calling, lies, lack of respect/compromise. Unless you have a realistic solution, I don't want to hear the BS! With the current number of people who are currently unemployed, where do they go for health insurance they can afford?Americans need to wake up and begin thinking for themselves and stop listening to the garbage that divides us. A house divided can not stand!

Wow! The Republicans are some real hateful people.

Republicans are just so eager to be on the wrong side of yet ANOTHER social & historical matter.

Where were you Repubs the last ten years when GW and the majorities in both houses spent us into the poor house. What did we get for our money? A tax credit for the wealthy and two wars. Thank you for that. Health care is screwed up. Bottom line. Anytime anyone can get denied service, insurance revoked or can't pay it is a life changer. There but for the grace of god goes Bernie Madoff. Step off your high horse and think about how would you like for health insurance to work if you lose your job, can't afford COBRA and are not Medicare/Medicaid eligible? What if your child get's sick? It is a disgrace that there is not an easy answer to these questions. Plain and simple the system needs to be overhauled so that it works for us and not against us. Now please scream "Lie".

Shimkus is a liar.

The reason he left early is because he needed a diaper change.

There is a small yet vocal percentage of the electorate that will not believe anything President Obama says as a matter of misguided principle. They are lost and cannot be won over. Jesus Christ himself couldn't move these people from their entrenchment. Let them go, tune them out and don't buy anything that they (or their corporate sponsors) are selling. Concentrate on your reasonable, caring and trustworthy neighbors in the ideological center and make them allies of progress and decency by calmly discussing the facts as they are.

LONG TERM REPUBLICAN ELECTORAL STRATEGY:

OPEN MOUTH, INSERT FOOT!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9mYCU0mH7w
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Two Republicans with some cajones!! I would of walked out too. I hate liars.

We now live in a culture which insists on having everything provided by the government. Perhaps the government should perform a study on how many uninsured Americans have cable television, cell phones with internet and/or unlimited texting, smoke a pack a day, drive a cash for clunker, dine out regularly, etc...

There was a time when people in this country worked harder to achieve more. Those days are long gone. 'This is the dawning of the age of entitlement.'

Let's just hope the Asians don't call in their notes.

Hey stupid liberals, you say the people spoke in November, ask Rasmussen, gallup or zogby what would happen if the american people speak today, I'm hispanic and illegal.

"Oh look, more Republican tantrums. It appears their primary objective is to discredit and disrespect the office of the President at every turn, regardless of facts or the reality of any given situation."

Are you talking about President Bush?

You know. The President who was called "The Commander In Thief," Bush Chimpy, Bush Hitler. Bush Lied People Died! Bush is a MORON!

What filthy hypocrites!

You Democrats worked to undermine Bush from the day he took office.

Why should we respect your President? Did you respect ours?

GTH

At a time and place that seems so far away, U.S .Presidents were elected and we accepted the will of the people as mandate and rallied to the person elected. Sadly, we, who consider ourselves to be the most fortunate people on earth, have grown to become haters of all who do not agree with with our individual philosophies and opinions.

How sad it is that our elected President, the greatest voice for freedom in the world, is critisized for speaking to school chldren.

How sad it is that an state-elected person will sully the sacred hall of our Freedom and embarass the nations duly elected leader.

I do not agree with many proposals put forth by OUR PRESIDENT, but some I can live with. Most importantly, I salute the office, not the man. I yield to the will of the American people, at least until the next election opportunity.

I think all who oppose Obama should have got up and walked out together. Why sit and listen to a bunch of hot air.

Yawn. More infantile conduct from a knuckledragger.

Out of curiosity: What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?

who knows? every GOP idea has either been naysayed by the dems, or has been ignored completely. Tort reform? naw... we have no good ideas. the GOP'er waving their bills in the air when O said we are a party with no ideas means nothing? lol. tool.

SCREW THE REPUBLICANS!!!!

They don't deserve to be treated with respect when they act like petulant children -which is what they have done ever since they got their butts handed to them in the most recent election.

The Dems got elected running on health care reform and they should do it with or without the Repugnuts.

The people spoke in November and they told the Republican party to go pound sand!

you mean, kinda like how the dems cries, screamed, boo'ed and wrung thair hands during bush's SOTU speech in 2005? or how leftist tools screamed that "dissent is Patriotic"
or how about the "I pledge" video, extolling Obama. Hey, look at history. Hitler had the country pledge alleigence to HIM not to the country. Now we have you losers pledge alleigence to Obama, not the country. sound like a coincidence? I think not. F**king Nazi pig.

The spineless, ineffective media has convinced Progressives that they are the majority. Boy, what denial. When they say "SCREW THE REPUBLICANS" what we are hearing is "SCREW INDEPENDENTS, CONSERVATIVE DEMS AND REPUBLICANS".

What a bunch of cryin' in yer boots babies. "I need the government to tell me to serve others". "I need the cheese the government hands out because I can't go to a store". I give lots of money on my own, more than Obama and Biden COMBINED x 5. I don't need the government telling me they know better than I do. You who need assistance, take it. Leave the rest of us alone.

What a bunch of cryin' in yer boots babies. "I need the government to tell me to serve others". "I need the cheese the government hands out because I can't go to a store". I give lots of money on my own, more than Obama and Biden COMBINED x 5. I don't need the government telling me they know better than I do. You who need assistance, take it. Leave the rest of us alone.

Shimkus and Wilson are heroes to be saluted.

Jim Wells, the Republicans have submitted 35 health care bills this year, but the Democrats won't allow a hearing on them. Don't lie and say that there are no Republican bills.

He probably couldn't stand to listen to anymore Obama lies. Every word Obama said was a lie, even and and the.

Sounds just like the Dems over the past 8 years.

Oh look, more Republican tantrums. It appears their primary objective is to discredit and disrespect the office of the President at every turn, regardless of facts or the reality of any given situation.

Posted by: Edgewater | September 10, 2009 4:07 PM

There are realistic solutions. It's called encouraging the proliferation of small sources of services. That includes both health care providers (all types - the number of doctors, for example, is artificially limited) and insurers. We have seen what creating a government insurance plan for all housing loans has done for the housing market. There's no need to do that to the health insurance industry.

Wilson and Shimkus are the kind of goobers the GOP would approve of to speak to their children about how to behave in school - if you don't agree with the teacher: "CALL THEM NAMES & WALK OUT OF CLASS!"

What the Hey! Like I keep saying the Republicans don't do anything for this country, they only do things to this country!! Hey Shimkus why don't you just take your family and move to Mexico, I understand you can get better health care there than in the United States, and it costs about 300 dollars a year! You had eight years, with control of the legislative branch, the executive branch, and judicial branch and didn't do anything for this country. Stall tactics don't work anymore. Get on board or get the hell out of the way! whiteagle38

The GOP is acting like spoiled brats. They should ALL go away.

They should have all walked out. He was lying and anyone that wants to check it out can find the truth; unfortunately they will have to go to FoxNews, Talk radio and some of the blogs to do it. Before you attack me for what I have said, please answer me this: Why is it that those on the Left and the Mainstream Media refuse to use facts when they attack those that disagree with the President? Sarah Palin talked about death panels and is still being called all kinds of names for it. Drudgereport (and others) showed an article in a major English paper that stated just that. We want to model our health care after the UK but no one on the left reported this because it doesn't fit in to their slanted agenda. It is as if they have become the Government Press instead of looking out for us, like they should be.

Civility?

Have you forgotten how Dems hissed and booed at Bush during the State of the Union address in 2005? If so, let me refresh your memory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Where were your calls for respect and decorum then? Where were the outcries against this "horrible breach of protocol"?

The hypocrisy of you libs is pathetic. Why don't you climb onto an inner tube and paddle over to your utopian Cuba if you think it's so great. We have no use for your ilk here.

Good for him.

I turned on the US Open after about 5 minutes, when I realized this was just an old Obama rerun.

For those claiming NO Republican idea have been put forward you been listening to Obama too long.

Republican amendments have been flooding all of the various committees since the beginning of this health care reform process and as of yet few, if any, have been allowed out of committee by the Democratic leadership; even ones that managed to garner support from the more centrist Dems. All of the bills currently in the House and senate have been entirely formed without any Republican, or for that matter much centrist Democrat, input simply because that's the way the Democratic leadership wanted it, NOT because thats the way the Blue Dogs and Repubs chose.

As for Republican obstruction, for anyone with even the most passing understanding of the American legislative system, that would be considered a joke. With essentially filibuster proof majority in the Senate (1 short now due to Kennedy's passing) and an overwhelming majority in the House, the Dems can pass any legislation they want. The problem is the leadership let the most radical part of the party write these bills and they can't even get the support of their own more conservative leaning members. They also want some political cover for the fallout that everyone knows will occur when taxes are increased and tough decisions have to be made in the future to keep this monstrosity afloat.

Our incompetent Clown-In-Chief calls everybody who disagrees with him liars. Obama lied yesterday for 48 minutes straight. Big deal if somebody pointed to it once. Only complete idiots/liberals can believe that the One will insure additional 46 million, sorry, now only 30, without spending additional money that he has not yet wasted on ACORN, everybody will have the same care, etc. etc. It would be funny if it were not so sad.

The Democrats treated Bush like garbage for 8 years, calling him Hitler, a liar, a murderer and a slew of other names. Our own Senator Dick Durbin compared US troops to the Nazis and the Soviets. So you'll have to pardon me if I don't get too upset when two Republicans commit minor breaches of courtesy and decorum.

As more than one person has stated, this speech was a waste of 45 minutes. Nothing new. Same old lies, fear mongering and blaming the previous administration...but we've come to expect that from this President.

And by the way...Wilson is right. Obama is lying through his teeth when he says illegals will not participate in the proposed program. There is absolutely nothing in the language of H.R. 3200 to prevent them from receiving medical benefits.

I was ashamed that a representative would treat the president with such disrespect. Anyone who would do that is indeed a knuckledragger:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Maybe he should have hissed or boo'd President Obama. Or better yet, thrown a shoe at him. The Democrats honor that type of behavior. They even call it heroic.

One more reason why it's too bad John Shimkus broke the term limit pledge he made when he was first elected. This goof would already be gone if he as a man of his word.

This is the same guy who has been doing robocalls in his district to generate support for his pal Mark Kirk in the senate race. A guy who would go against conservatives and endorse Mark Kirk can't really have a big problem with Barack Obama. Kirk and Obama just aren't much different on the big issues.

Shimkus is not a very bright guy and he's been a big embarrassment for a long time.

First a few questions for liberals and I want a serious answer not the usual crap about Bush because I am an independent and could care less about him:
Posted by: Ryan | September 10, 2009 9:27 PM

So you want to ask a question like...do you still beat your wife....yes or no. Without Bush...there would have been no reason for cash for clunkers etc. etc. Bush borrowed from the Chinese to pay for a war of choice. You talk about the strong company survives yet you completely forget Bush was the one who called for the 1st bailout saying without it the banks would fail. Remember that? You may not like the truth for an answer, but that IS the answer. Now for healthcare.....why is it that small minded people like you always believe it is some poor smuck with his hand out that this is for? There are fellow Americans (if you still are one) who work hard every fricking day, maybe self employed, maybe small business owner, maybe laid off who can't afford the costs. Maybe you don't even know the cost because you are one of the lucky ones who have bennies. If I had to pay for my healthcare it would be about 12,000 a year. Ya got those numbers Randy! While you're self absorbed in yourself, what do you think people who are not healthy pay, or may not be able to get insurance because to those companies, your a risk to their bottom line. Since it is yourself you can only think about....let me hit you where it hurts...your own wallet. While you are tripping through life unaware, or could care less that there is a healthcare crisis, your own pay isn't going up as it should. Know why Randy? Cause your employer is paying more to the insurance companies to keep you covered. Stop listening to the right and their hand outs to the poor negro/minority crap. That only plays to the lowest forms. Which are you?

One of the posters, I assume a Republican, said that he listened to Obamas speech and liked it. He said he would drop his insurance on the 25 employees he has, and save a bunch of money. He went on from here into some out of the sky imaginations, but he stated a point that I want to reiterate. He would save a bunch of money yes, and he'd then pay more taxes, but still be much better off. He'd undoubtably give his employees a small raise to placate them, they'd pay a little more tax, but still be better off. All of them would then have their insurance paid by the "public plan" which would operate off the higher taxes collected by all the people who saved all that money, doing just as he did, this would then be single payer insurance. Now all the extra income and savings to these businesses would both stimulate the economy, and make their businesses more competitive in the world markets.
So thank you Mr. Republican for helping elucidate the benefits of national single payer healthcare, the plan that congress has, and that you Republicans claim we should have also, that is until a Democrat brings up the idea!

looks like a staged photo,,,to get national attention

looks like a staged photo,,,to get national attention

I think that it was in poor taste to walk out on the President, unless of course he intended it as a political statement.

I do have to agree though. The 'plan' to date has us walking a fine line and there are no guarantees that we won't end up in a political and economic mess down the road.

We've got a rocky economy and what I've seen will add to the debt and increase the size and power of the government. Are you sure Obama isn't a federalist?

If I had to choose between inaction and taking action that could have dire consequences, I'd take inaction.

If anything comes of this, we should be considering how to slowly shift reform of the current system without causing dramatic increases in our tax dollars.

For everyone saying Republicans should be left out of the debate. . . if they are left out of the debate, will they be exempt from paying for this ridiculous deficit buster?

The problem is the president is listening to the people that won't be able to pay for this monstrosity of his. If he doesn't listen to the people who he asks to pay for it, he shouldn't expect those people to pay.

I know I'm looking to move to different countries now. I don't recognize America anymore. Just because we elect these people doesn't mean they don't rule like dictators. There are fixes that don't cost money, but Obama is not interested in anything that doesn't spend a LOT of money. Other people's money.

The Democrats control both houses. Health care has become a battle between the left and the far left. Yet President Obama wants to play partisan politics and demonize the Republicans as liars when he has stretched the truth himself. No increase in deficits?! Will only cover American citizens? No decline in quality only reduced costs? Riiiiight. I would have walked out too. Ultimately the Democrats control both Houses. The problem is that many Democrats are afraid of their reelection possibilities because the people of this country do not want this bill.

He, like the rest of America, is tired of having his intelligence and integrity blanketed with insults by Obama et.al.

Republicans bad blah blah blah.

Insurance companies corrupt blah blah blah.

Capitalism is evil blah blah blah.

Where are my entitlements for being born? blah blah blah

Note to Dummycrats: Your party is in the majority and doesn't need republican help. Why all the problems? Go STFU now.

Democrats openly booed George Bush during his addresses.

Obama is a criminal. I'm sure he will send his goons to start going through this guy's trash just like he did to Jack Ryan, Joe Wilson, & anybody else who dares to question him.

Flower Power Baby..
Che Guevera and Fidel Castro are real men. Obama is awesome.
Long Live Socialsm and down with the white male .......

What a joke! Any fool who agrees with what obama is trying to pull, is either to dumb to read the bill,..has yet to read the bill or, has to be 100% pure racist! Yup, you only voted for him because he's um, what ever he is, so you don't want him to fail. Get over your self, walk away from the race card and READ THE BILL!! It is funding illegal immigrants, as he already is,yup, your tax dollars, your already paying for abortions, all since Jan 22,2009!! Before you stick up for a man that you have no clue what his G.P.A is , or a man who's been fighting in court since August 08 to keep his records sealed,..do your research,..Yes,..You have been played!

"SCREW THE REPUBLICANS!!!!

They don't deserve to be treated with respect when they act like petulant children -which is what they have done ever since they got their butts handed to them in the most recent election.

The Dems got elected running on health care reform and they should do it with or without the Repugnuts.

The people spoke in November and they told the Republican party to go pound sand!

Posted by: L | September 10, 2009 3:34 PM "

GUESS WHO IS GOING TO GET THEIR HEADS HANDED TO THEM ON A PLATTER IN THE NEXT ELECTION????!!!!!

HAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

the republican party really needs to grow up!

the republican party really needs to grow up!

Wilson--wasn't he a hog farmer before he went to Congress?

He has the overhang of a hog farmer....

But they have better manners...

Shimmy?

Well, Wilson & Shimmy are squirming as the force field begins to bend space & time in the Congress to its will..

You know which force field.

The Obama force field.

So Wilson and Shimmy...

Just lie back, spread your ****, and enjoy it..

Stop yelling and squirming....

You know it's coming...

Resistance if futile...

It'll only hurt more if you try to resist....

ComeAsYouAre must be high as a kite. You obviously were in a coma in 2005 when practically the entire Democratic caucus booed, hissed and shouted at Bush at the State of the Union.

That's the only way to explain your fantasy world in which Democrats would excoriate fellow Democrats who attack a Republican President - the same Democrats who circled the wagons around plainly corrupt pols like Charlie Rangel and William Jefferson? The same Democrats who trooped en masse to the premiere of Fahrenheit 9/11?

In the real world, John McCain immediately called for Wilson to apologize and the man did - despite the fact that Obama was lying.

For those seriously offended by Wilson yelling liar and Shimkus taking a hike, to the point of calling them traitors and saying they are racists and should resign, how do propose we deal with a President, who in a prepared speech before a Joint Session of Congress, breeches decorum by saying his political opponents tell lies? That's what he said moments before Wilson gave him a 'back at ya'.

Are you still so hot and bothered?

The President owes Congress and the American people an apology...

Hey, Dems! "No" means No!

We are allowed to say "No"

To your advances...

First, it's simply amazing that anyone believes we have free market medicine or a free market at all. Second, it's even more amazing that Dems and Reps keep blaming each other for big gov't spending sprees, and then both parties spend ever more on their own pet projects when elected (as if this is a surprise), destroying and distorting the market. Libs hate business but reward them with monopolies over whole sectors of the economy (health care, auto industry, banking, education, forced unionization, AMA). Irony! Conservatives talk free market, then expand gov't more than any president before Barack Obama. Wake up, people! Neither party is serving your interests, which should prove gov't-run anything is a joke. At least Dems promise big gov't incompetence. The same can't be said for Reps.

Obama did lie ..The Czar to be in charge of health care has the power to include illegal aliens AND all language which would have prohibited aliens from receiving free health care was rejected by the Democrat majority .. By the way, Democrats booed President Bush loudly at his own speeches .. Double standard ..Dont worry Obama.. Real America has not yet begun to fight your corruption and lies .. Let Truth and Freedom ring! Call or email your congress today!

Poor Rahm, and Nan. They're offended that Obama was called out as a liar. Wilson shouldn't have apologized until the freak show commonly known as the DMC and it's members apologize for the words Nan, Stem and the rest of the Democrat demagogues casting aspersions on their bosses, the American public.

How do we know Obama is lying? His teleprompter is moving.

Check please.

With the trial lawyers and insurance lobby in his back pocket, Obama will never bend from his promise that he wants a single payer system. Look at the crappy service in Canada and England to find out what's coming to our shores...No way will there not be rationing, higher taxes, less quality...Look at the CBO, you kool-aid drinking little Olbermans.

You lemmings who are swallowing everything that big gobbermint wants you to, need to go get a big gobbermint job somewhere! What a bunch of tools! The governments role is NOT to enter the private sector in a free market! If you want better health care open up competition, get Nancy Pelosi out of the picture and let's have tort reform!

After 8 years of terror, torture and incompetence, what you get really, really mad at is giving some poor bastard some decent health care? Really?
Posted by: Lily's Smile | September 10, 2009 3:43 PM.

Get a job and get your own insurance and stop stealing our money for your grand socialist ideas.
Go away, just go away.

Democrats are exposing themselves as hypocrites in the worst way once again. During the 8 years of the Bush Admin, Democrats did the same thing. Yet then it was 'speaking truth to power' and 'dissent is patriotic'. Now, when Republican's do it; its the end of the world. Democrats set the new standard in respect for the president with Bush, perhaps they should have though about their juvenile behavior at the time?

THIS MAN IS A GOOD AND DECENT HUMAN BEING, CONSERVATIVE, AND A WONDERFUL REPRESENTATIVE.

He is my Congressman. His Staff are polite and professional. He has served a long and responsible term. All above slander is senseless and totally untrue. He is highly educated, very intelligent, full of good ideas and is good at communicating them.

I HEARTILY APPROVE OF WHAT HE DID.

HE IS A TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT.

GO JOHN!!!!!

"What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?"

Decouple health insurance from work, allow individuals to buy their own, and make it a tax credit.

Allow interstate sales of health insurance, to stimulate competition.

Underwrite health insurance for the truly needy.

Tort reform. Cap "pain & suffering". Get rid of the blood-sucking contingency fee lawyers.

How's that for a start?

For all the fools and azzwipes lying to them selves. ObamaCare is the worst . Grow up and see the facts. Rationing ? Hell ya. 1 Dr for every 460 peeps in the U.S . Thats bad . Raise your taxes ?
Of course he will , No choice. 1/10 of 1% is total BS in saving to pay for this monster. There is also the little thingy. Was has the Great One done except Bail out all his friends ?
He makes Bush look good

Interesting to me...Democrats stand up in mass, boo and hiss at Pres. Bush=fine,ok, fits the situation.
Republicans - 1 walks out, 1 shouts 'you lie' =evil, disrespectul, nutjobs.
Code Pink holds demonstrations against war, media covers every event, validating their opinions .
Tea party demonstrators show up in greater numbers and are not covered in the press for a long time. When they finally are covered by MSM, the words used are teabaggers, unpatriotic, terrorists etc. (called that by even leadership of Dem's.

Obama disrespected the entire nation with his same lies. You say Republicans dont have a plan, they do. Where is Obama's plan? He mentioned one, but why hasnt it been introduced into Congress?

President Pants-on-Fire is doing a little bit on "on the job" learning.

Perhaps a man of mediocre intellect and mundane talents with George Soros's hand up his squeakhole wasn't the best choice for President, eh uninformed voters?

President Jesus doesn't have a healthcare plan but Nancy Pelosivich and the Nazi Party USA definitely do.

All you have to do to appease this bunch of intellectual neanderthals is 'get in line and STFU' because they are ever so much smarter than you and know how to take care of you better than even you do.

So, for all the little Nazis out there dazzled by the light shining from our federal government now that your tin god has ascended you will learn soon enough what the Founders intended when they penned the founding documents:

Our federal government should always FEAR the citizenry because the federal government exists at our pleasure.

I know all of the little Obama sheeple love for the beknighted elite to make decisions for them but those of us who think for themselves don't need President Mouch and His Holy Federal Government to guide and direct our lives.

Oh well, Sieg Heil much?

Good for him. Obama is a disaster for America on Biblical proportions. The one only thing we have left to us is to vote out all the democrats before ti's too damn late.

democrats are the peckerwoods of politics.racist to the max just like their president. this country will die under democratic rule and that is just what they want. another africa run by an african who is not an American citizen

I'm amazed at the number of people who repeat lies on this page (yes, I said LIES). HR3200 WILL allow illegal aliens to get health care coverage. Sure is says on one page that they won't - but then it gives all the loopholes that says they WILL. The Congressional Research Service says they will be covered, as does LaRaza & the Hispanic Congressional Caucus. If the Dems really didn't intend for IA's to be covered, they would have passed the amendment that required proof of legal residency (as 83% of Americans want).

The Republicans have proposed three bills to address health care. But they touch the Dem's "3rd rail" - tort reform. The Dems are deep in the lawyers pockets adn don't want to touch that source of campaign cash.

If you want to be fully informed, READ HR3200 and think through what each line means - you'll find that it dismantles all health care as we know it, and allows the goverment to rebuild it in the image of a big brother-esque bureaucracy.

I haven't met anyone who supports the bill who has actually read it.

Mr. Obama and the DNC far left stole my party away from me, it was the party of ideas and construtive action now it is the party of the braindead. I want to vote for dems but each candidate is either a moron or so far left I don't recognise them as dem.
In response to some of the commenters:

Big Cheese- like you ever voted for a republican in your life, you should change you name to braindead or sock puppet.
James - honesty I know is hard concept but our party began the Hitler rants 8 years ago it it was wrong then too.
Mick Hendrix- Worked very well, education is my resposivbility not some wantabe god figure. Government doesn't mean they get to fill my children head with tripe.

The democratic party ethics and moral have fallen not the country. The thugs and bullies that have taken over the party DO NOT REPRESENT ME

Mr. Obama and the DNC far left stole my party away from me, it was the party of ideas and construtive action now it is the party of the braindead. I want to vote for dems but each candidate is either a moron or so far left I don't recognise them as dem.
In response to some of the commenters:

Big Cheese- like you ever voted for a republican in your life, you should change you name to braindead or sock puppet.
James - honesty I know is hard concept but our party began the Hitler rants 8 years ago it it was wrong then too.
Mick Hendrix- Worked very well, education is my resposivbility not some wantabe god figure. Government doesn't mean they get to fill my children head with tripe.

The democratic party ethics and moral have fallen not the country. The thugs and bullies that have taken over the party DO NOT REPRESENT ME

Hey Merv, thanks for pointing out factcheck.org, but you should read it more carefully. What it is pointing out is that the information being put out there by the conservatives is FALSE ....lots and lots of lies being spread by the party of Rush and Sarah. The TRUTH is exactly what the president said in his speech. I am a moderate, but I am sick of the lies and distortions being thrown around by Republicans who have taken the term hypocrisy to a whole new level.

Obama's a moron - All gas - no substance. And there's a really bad smell around him!

"That's rich. This guy is frustrated? The Republicans have been asked for months for their plan."

Obama hasn't spoken to them since April. The Dems have threatened people of sanctions if they meet with Republicans.

So, when, exactly, was their input sought?

"It is very simple. The GOP had 6 yrs of unfettered power. They had the white house, the House of Reps. and the Senate"

Provided one ignores 2001-2, when Jeffords became a Dem and gave the Dems control of the Senate.

And shall we note how bad the deficits have become since the Dems took over Congress in 2007?

Short memories on many of these posters. Democratics were the majorities in both houses most of the Bush administration. Democrats have been refusing any input from outside of the comittees they control in the Senate and completely disregarded any idea brought up by Republicans in the House. Democrats have commited far worse insults of Bush while he was president then Obama recieved. Democrats are consistently pulling the racism arguement without any evidence of it. If we followed the Democrats examples for the last eight years then we should start burning images of Obama and throwing rocks at life size cutouts of him. Which would of course bring up the racist accusations again.

what a great country we live in , where we can speek freeley and don't have to worry , the police will come and kick down your door for being out spoken, god bless all of us in the great free country. we call America

you dont have to be smart to
know obama lied-bet the
democrats that can read know
it to.

you dont have to be smart to
know obama lied-bet the
democrats that can read know
it to.

Mr. Shimkus is my rep and I know him to be a good and level headed man. He probably threw up in his mouth and had to bolt. That sometimes happens when one is forced to listen to a libby.

What does Shimkus' healthcare reform bill say?

Posted by: a blinkin | September 10, 2009 3:30 PM
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It says "pull yourself up from your bootstraps and heal yourself you whiney quitters!"

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Attention Everyone: Now we know the republiturd Health Care reform package as spoken by one who really cares by calling people who've lost jobs, and consequently their healthcare, in this conservidiot-induced economy. We are all now whiney-quitters. I see! such love a compassion from the religious right. The only whining going on is from the right who are a bunch knuckle-dragging losers. Pathetic!

Robert: "Hippocrates the weren't so indignant and outrage during the last eight years of record breaking deficit expending."

Wow, Hippocrates, really? I had no idea he was still alive to offer his opinion.

Ohh. You meant "hypocrites". I get it now. Not the Greek physician. Wow. I would consider honestly liberals' arguments if they could just demonstrate some level of intelligence, even in these simple forums. The incredible amount of poor grammar, misspellings, and lack of proper capitalization undermines any point they'd like to make.

For the record, not every conservative was toeing the line while Bush was spending massive amounts of money. But disappointment in a Republican's second term is not enough for a Democrat's massive spending to become suddenly acceptable.

It's unfortunate that Mr. Wilson and Mr. Shimkus have started to use disrespectful and insidious tactics of the left,most especially those of the Congressional Black Caucus. This particularly odious and uneducated group has been disruptive and vulgar in public more times than I or anyone else can count.Perhaps Mr. Wilson and Mr. Shimkus like President Obama are half black? This would explain their behavior and then maybe the racist Congressional Black Caucus will allow them to join their despicable band of hooligans and frauds.

Everyone that values truth should have walked out, Obama spewed the same lies he has been spewing since the "debate" started, it was a disgusting display of a narcissist in action.
The one true comment came from Rep Wilson when he yelled you lie.
God I'm Canadian and this guy Obama scares the heck out of me, I know socialist dictators when I see them, I lived through one and our country has never been the same, at that time America would not allow Trudeau entry into the USA until he became Prime minister of Canada in 1968 and got diplomatic immunity, America was great back then but now your heading down the same path as Canada is trying to leave behind but at a much faster and more dangerous pace. 40 yrs later Canada is still not back to where we were pre Trudeau.
Your White house is full of villains America.

Screw the republican party, its time for a new party, The Tea party.

Obama lied, healthcare died!

This president (small 'p') deserves NO respect.
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He's a:
( ) Liar
( ) Cheat
( ) Con Man
(x) All of the above

Where were all of you when the Dems were calling Bush these same things. Most likely going WOOHOO. When they booed Bush in his '05 SOTU address. You were booing with him.

Bottom line is that Obama does not have a bill. He has lofty goals that cannot be attained under the current legislation proposed by house Dems. It will add to the deficit. It will only cover 12 million of the 46 million they say they want to cover. Do the math on that. Medicare and Medicaid is wrought with abuse and fraud there is nothing in the current bill that will prevent folks from doing the same here. How is silent protest to lies and damn lies rude or disrespectful. This was not a unifying speech this was a Dem rally speech, it was a speech to his own party. The president has refused to meet with Repubs since April.

How can you expect the Republicans to feel any differently when the Dems idea of bipartisanship is to do what they say and shut up.

Although the bill prohibits illegals from getting care there are no checks for citizenship. It also allows entire families to be covered if one person qualifies. The practical ramification is that illegals will be covered more fraud and abuse will occur.

The problems in our health care our economy and our country will deepen and become worse under this bill.

Please read the bill get educated, this bill is written by lawyers and is highly complicated. It takes a lawyer to even decipher the language. I have only touched on a small fractions of the problems and unintended consequences of this bill.

Thanks for reading.

I know I'm looking to move to different countries now. I don't recognize America anymore. Just because we elect these people doesn't mean they don't rule like dictators. There are fixes that don't cost money, but Obama is not interested in anything that doesn't spend a LOT of money. Other people's money.

Posted by: temporary health insurance | September 11, 2009 12:55 AM

So you are looking into moving to an undeveloped third world country? Because there isn't any other developed, industrialized nation on the planet that doesn't already have universal healthcare.

Repubs are just ticked off because they lost big time in 2008. They do not know how to act like the minority party.

They use lies, hate and racism to push their cause. They are a bunch of sick southerners.

They should work with the Dems. The American people spoke loud and clear when they rejected McCain/Palin.

The Repubs just don't get it. They are a total embarrassment.

W

I really don't understand why everybody is ready to believe all the lies about healthcare so readily! I mean.. does this really all come down to being upset that your party lost the majority control? Nothing that anybody says who is not in your party will ever say something that you will agree with?

Let’s just look at whom is really behind all the grassroots, advertisements, and paying people to show up at town hall meetings. All being paid by the insurance & healthcare industries. Please don’t take mine or anybody else’s word for this. The internet is a wonderful tool, and all this information is available if you just take the time to look.

If this issue was about… let’s say.. fast food. And all the negative press that you hear is really being paid by the fast food industry. Does it really take anything more than common sense to see that the reason they are putting out negative press is protecting their bottom line???

Conservatives talk about pulling up your bootstraps and taking care of yourself. Why in the world doesn’t this also include educating yourself about issues???? If you only read one website, or watch one TV channel, you are going to have a very narrow view of the world. Do you really believe anybody who says or shouts out anything, just because they are in a position of power?

For those whinning liberals who say the GOP hasn't presented anything, Republicans have presented 30 health care bills in various committees, all of which have been discarded or defeated by the liberals. Obama says illegals will not be covered in his health care bill,but a amendment to HR 3200 was submitted making it plain that they would not be and it was defeated. This president and his liberal colleagues do not want any ideas. They have been planning this single payer health care system for 60 years and do not want to be bothered with good ideas. Just wait until all you liberals get taxed for not having health care. Where's the money coming from? From all you liberals who think he won't tax you! After all, he's running out of money from those of us who actually work for a living. If you think health care is expensive now, just wait until its free. Does Medicare Medicaid and the Post Office bring up any scary scenarios?

"It's amazing: lazy liberals want the government or the wealthy to pay for everything. What happened to a country that worked hard and earned a living instead of expecting the government to take care of every need? This is crazy!

Posted by: sara | September 10, 2009 4:50 PM"

You wanna know what happened, Sara? Everyone's jobs were outsourced to Mexico so the companies can make even bigger profits! Ask those CEO's is they give two craps about you and your plight.

Shimkus had every right to walk out. One does not have to sit through, agree with or like everything a President says, and walking out is a dignified response to a dishonest situation. Thank you Durward and others from other socialist countries that see America going down the same demise from which your people are trying to recover. Keep sharing the truth about your healthcare coverage (it covers drugs and simple procedures, but you can die or go to America if you need expensive tests or treatments). You who say you will not vote Republican again likely never did vote Republican, or never was a real conservative that believed in hard work and owning what you earned. Or you would know the difference between walking out on a speech and the kind of disrespect that has been openly demonstrated against President Bush. Disagree with his policies all you want (I disagreed with some, too), he did not deserve the name-calling or nastiness.

The Repub's plan for health care: don't get sick.

"In 2005 the Democrats hissed and booed at President George Bush during his talk to Congress."

Bush got hissed because he wanted to take money out of Social Security and put it in private investment accounts. Imagine how well that would have worked out if Bush had been allowed to do this.

I sure do hope David Vitter brought enough diapers for the rest of his party.

People are talking about us becoming a "socialst: country. I think we should be more worried about becoming a third-world country.

Posted by: lmwilker | September 11, 2009 6:29 PM

We guess Shim didn't think the death panel portion strong enough. Here's some actual Republicans trying to kill real people. Think George W. Bush.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001620.html

Sisters,
Thanks for the link. I'm starting to come over to your side on this!

Folks are so terrified of a democratic president cleaning up the messes left by Republican. That they would rather further crash the country while streneously defending interest and the priviliges of corporation and the wealthy power elite. The hyprocsy of the republican party defies my imagination, and I am ashamed to think, they used to just wave the bible and I voted for them. Let the republican offer something in the people's intrests. Something about protecitng our infrastructures from greed and fraud, something that protects our fair trade status, something that provides incentives other than profit for a health care system. we are not sheep to be sacrificed for the power elite. So instead of walking out, let see some leadership and responsibility, offer something anything to the people other than nothing but being an obstructionist.

Hey Harding! You are so right, why hang on to something that will bankrupt this nation! That is exactly what the health care industry is doing! Reform at any cost! Get on board or get the hell out of the way! whiteagle38

Man oh man, notice how the right wing liar fundy cons. are afraid to comment on GWB's 1999 death warrant panels?
(Backed by Sarah)

Geez who'da thunk it? Bush and Palin are the actual grandma killers.

Isn't anyone capable of a reasonable, sane conversation? Good grief.

This isn't about conservatives or liberals. That said, I'm disappointed that Republicans have demonized anyone who wants to change this in this country. It's very sad.

I voted for Obama. No, I don't think he's the second coming of Jesus Christ. He is not perfect.

I think the assumptions being made about the government taking over everything is *ridiculous*. We all want the banks to return to independence, but we simply CANNOT give them carte blanche to do whatever to make a profit. They basically bet on sandcastles in the sky, and then wondered why all of that money simply vanished.

Health care reform IS necessary. But I worry that Republicans, and people who are in the health care industry, will stand in the way no matter what. The choices they've made thus far seem to indicate that they will. Obama gave a speech where he outlined his general goals, and the opposition complained ad nauseum that he wasn't specific enough. If he HAD offered incredibly specific ideas, they would have complained that he was too controlling, etc.

I really WANT Republicans to be equal partners in the process. This is for ALL of us. But not implementing some kind of reform, or avoiding any attempt to reduce costs and gain efficiencies, is not an option. FORTUNE FAVORS THE BRAVE. I don't want to avoid change and stick my head in the sand just because conservative people fear change (and the big scary black man in the White House) and desperately wish we could make it 1953 again.

Patrick,
I agree with most of your posit. I would only point out two things.
1. I have criticized BHO's handling of Afg./Iraq and weak healthcare reform efforts. To no avail. You still get attacked. Therefore, you must use their scorched earth tactics against them.
2. The money didn't disappear; it's in the stock portfolios and bank accounts of the people that shorted the market into it's deepest decline since, '29? Lot's of people got rich in the crash of '08. Wall St. insiders always get rich when a bubble pops.

alternate caption,

'excuse me, old mans bladder comin through. excuse me, gotta get permission from the death panel. excuse me.'

We asked Mr. Shimkus for a townhall on healthcare and all that we could get was a one on one meeting with him which revealedf his nonplan-healthcare savings accounts and tax subsidies for people who don't make enough to pay taxes. John Shimkus has not had one original idea from day one. He voted 99.99% of the time with Bush in the last eight years. We had a vigil at his office for healthcare reform and all that we got was a paper note on the door stating "Tonight's vigil is neither sponsored nor authorized by Congressman Shimkus". Wow, what a surprise! I think that he has BPH and had to go. I'll bet his health insurance will pay for the Proscar that he needs! We need to get new blood in office before the IL Congressional 19th becomes an old man's joke.

This is sad. Having known John for a long time I am ashamed. When John first ran for office ( and I seem to be the only one that rembers he said he would only run two terms) he showed respect. But like most republicans he has been corrupted by politics. The biggest mistake is that people in our area keep re-electing him.