FOX vs. White House: Box (FOX) office

Faux will always win the ratings game, they're not a real news outlet.

Fox has gone so far away from being about news rather than propaganda, that comparing their ratings to CNN or MSNBC is apples and oranges. Might as well compare the Disney Channel to CNN and see whose ratings are higher.

Once one moves the comparisons away from "cable news", Fox News gets clobbered.

For example, Meet The Press and This Week clean the clocks of Fox News Sunday's ratings. Fox News Sunday appears, not on Fox News (until reruns later in the day), but on broadcast TV's Fox Network (which is a separate operation, whose programming often mocks conservatives and even has a history of being targeted by conservative boycotts (such as the boycott that tried to get Fox to dump Married With Children)). Therefore, Fox News Sunday competes against the broadcast network news shows and gets clobbered.

Also, the #1 news web site, in terms of visitors per month and video streams consumed per month is msnbc.com, followed by Yahoo news and CNN.com. FoxNews.com is well down in the rankings.

Faux news is and has always been the official propaganda organ of the Republican party.

The right wing dead-enders who watch their programming still believe that they represent the majority view and Faux will never tell them otherwise.

Last week Fox rolled out weasel KKKarl Rove to defend the cable broadcaster against the Obama administration's characterization of Fox as a partisan media outlet. Rove made two basic points:

- No White House should ever attack specific media outlets.
- It would be horribly unfair use MSNBC's "over-the-top, left-wing hosts" an excuse to attack NBC News, which has a separate news operation.
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002269/

Naturally, it turns out the Bush White House did exactly what Rove now says they never should have done.
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002270/

The letter Perino refers to is this one, in which White House advisor Ed Gillespie attacks NBC News for "blurring" the lines "between the 'news' as reported on NBC and the 'opinion' as reported on MSNBC."
http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/articles/1043229.aspx

Between Gillespie's letter and Perino's statement that the Bush White House was "fed up" with NBC News, we've got a clear-cut case of Karl Rove accusing the Obama White House of doing the exact same thing to Fox that the Bush White House did to NBC.

But there's one more thing that's important to point out. The so-called reporter who asked Perino the softball question reciting the accusations of Gillespie's letter and wondering whether NBC had responded was none other than Mike Emanuel of Fox.

Yep, the same Fox that now claims to be on an "enemies list" because the Obama White House had the temerity to accuse it of partisan bias was uncritically repeating Bush talking points that attacked NBC News.

So back then, Fox was working alongside the government to attack a news organization, and today they whine and howl like little babies when the current administration points out that they have an obvious partisan bias.

Oh well. It's their right to have a partisan bias. That's what the First Amendment is all about. But the mere fact that they have a right to broadcast conservative propaganda does not mean other news organizations -- or the White House -- have a responsibility to treat them like a serious news organization.

Reasons why Fox is not a REAL NEWS CHANNEL:

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t.......PROMOTE and COVER their own protests.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200908280029

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t.... Lie about the total number of people at the rally THEY PROMOTED...
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=380_1239836462&c=1

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t.... Force people at a protest to make more noise to look good on TV.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909180037

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t... Have NEWS ANCHORS that accuse the president of making a TERRORIST FIST JAB!
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200806060007

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t.... Have NEWS ANCHORS that calls the current administration a bunch of CRY BABIES
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/19/snubbed-by-obama-fox-news_n_292254.html

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t... Go out of their way to bash the current administration by using OLD FOOTAGE and lying by saying it’s recent footage, and CROPPING it to make it look like something else was said!
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001014/

A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION doesn’t... Pass off RNC press releases as their OWN FACTS (including the typos)
http://mediamatters.org/research/200902100019?f=h_top

All of the examples cited are from Fox’s so-called NEWS ANCHORS... not the Opinion people like O’Reily, Hannity, and Beck.

This should be pointed out because the line is blurred between journalism and opinion on Fox.

The video examples above are plain and simple, Fox can’t spin their way out of it. They have been called out on the carpet time and time again... EVERYONE KNOWS THIS! Including those reporters taking up for Fox News.

When people call Faux news "right wing propaganda" and "the media arm of the Republican party" it isn't trash talking, it's the truth.

Check out these pro-Bush internal memos from Faux management. If this isn't propaganda I don't know what is.
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http://mediamatters.org/research/200407140002
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/
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The only objective of Fox News is to attack Democrats and President Obama, and butter up republicans. They also buttered up former president Bush and called those who criticized him un-American. By their own standards, that would make Fox News un-American. Bill O'Reilly told those who disagreed with Bush's policies to shut up. Now that he is criticizing Obama's policies, so O'Reilly needs to shut up.

Anyone who actually thinks Fox News is a real news channel, and that they actually are fair and balanced has something seriously wrong with their brain. Lets see, we got radical conservatives Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, far right loons like Bill O'Reilly and the morons on Faux and Fiends. They have crazies like Dick Morris and Bernie Goldberg as guest analysts, and they never let Alan Colmes on without his conservative sister-in-law, with conservative Bill O'Reilly moderating. The Great American Panel of Hannity usually has two strong conservatives and one weak liberal, with radical conservative Hannity moderating. The Obama administration is right, Fox News is a communications arm and a mouthpiece of the republican party, since all they do is butter up republicans and tear apart democrats, they called people un-American for supporting Bush, now they relentlessly attack Obama. Fox News is right wing opinion and propaganda, and it should not be taken seriously by anyone.

He'd said in June he had issues with FOX -- though Obama maintains that he's not losing a lot of sleep over this war.

Or any war for that matter.

Well Bozo has taken a lesson from Daley, refuse to talk to anyone that disagrees with him.

Bozo's enemy list:
Fox, US Chamber of Commerce, big business, small business, Humana, Insurance companies, auto industry, banking, financial services, taxpayers, plumbers........

When you are unemployed, bitter, uneducated and fearful there is a place for you to go for comfort. FOX News.

Mob mentality is always comforting.

Yep, doughy white guy "real Americans", brainwashed to think there is no global warming, evolution isn't true, healthcare systems in Europe and Canada put people to death... basically all the same fallacies coming from Faux News

Faux is a 24/7 political operation.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx5ethd8JU
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Dems get their information from a variety of sources whereas the Repugs ALL gather at the Faux "News" trough to get fed their daily talking points, like the toothless rubes they are.

Dems want to know the truth, Repugs want Faux to reinforce their belief that Jesus rode a dinosaur and the Earth is flat....that explains Faux's ratings. Big deal....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-eyuFBrWHs

The haters are the only ones watching.

Fox "news" -- Their slogan should read: We report, you decide the way we want you to, or we'll cry, yell at you, condescend to you and report you as unpatriotic, and stupid.

Faux......Taking back America from Americans.

Seems there are a lot of brain washed libs cutting and pasting the same links each time the Swamp promotes Fox. Here's a little tip, citing media mutters and puff host to make a point is no more effective than linking to moveon or any other Soros backed drivel.

I can understand not liking it when your messiah is called out on his lies or the radicals he surrounds himself with or even his systematic dismantling of capitalism, after all, you really want to buy into the hope and change crap. The rest of us have grown up, followed the liar in chief's progress through ill politics and appreciate that there is one organization willing to challenge this empty suit. We don't need to hear the other networks read the wh press releases, we are smart enough to do it ourselves.

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Seems there are a lot of brain washed libs cutting and pasting the same links each time the Swamp promotes Fox. Here's a little tip, citing media mutters and puff host to make a point is no more effective than linking to moveon or any other Soros backed drivel.
Posted by: Hans | October 27, 2009 2:41 PM
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Really? Media Matters lies?

Nice straw man argument there, Biff.

Why don't you try you refuting Media Matters with dates, times and you know, FACTS?!?!

You can't do it because you're full of crap.

Hey Bobbie Mobbie...can we be looking forward to any original thoughts from you, or are you just gonna continue repeating what your liberal commentators told you last night? At least ms pisces1 gave some reasoning for her dislike of FNC. Even though I disagree with her, she put forth some intelligence to make her argument. And zac, didn't Obama promise change? Doing exactly what you liberals hated from the Bush administration doesn't seem like much of a change. And you, Fake News, calling people you disagree with "crazies" and "loons" doesn't do much for your intellectual integrity. Also, calling O'reilly a far-right loon only tells me you've never watched him. And if you have a problem with the "unamerican" brandings of anti-Bush then you better back it up with having a problem with the "racist" brandings of anti-Obama...otherwise you just come off as an uninformed, far left, "crazy and loon."

it is hilarious to read comments from people who attempt to denigrate and demean the viewing audience of a tv program - the fox news programs are watched by millions of americans every day - do you get that? millions - these people go to work, they raise families, and they pay taxes - so when hateful and despicable members of the left try to discredit every single person who watches fox news by calling them morons or racists, all you accomplish is to verify your amazing ignorance - and it's also always a big laugh when left wing liberals claim that the massive ratings fox generates each day (get this - other americans watching) are "not real" - One last lesson today for the kool aid drinking libs in the audience - if you want a primer on media "distortion and lies" study the history of the CBS program 60 minutes

And then there's this:
Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals #13; Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it. This is the tactic being used by Barack Obama against his enemy, Fox News. It won't work. The Obama Administration mistakenly believes that it has brought a gun to a knife fight. They don't seem to understand that Fox News does not have a knife. Fox News, with its ratings going through the roof while other news organization's ratings are tanking, has the equivalent of an apache helicopter.

The radical socialist is “the man” now and as such he is now vulnerable to the tactics that he perfected and used against his enemies in the past.

Neither Saul Alinsky or President Obama ever thought that their rules could be used against them. The whole mode of operation of a community organizer is to be a bomb tosser. It is essentially a stealth tactic. When you are President of the United States it is impossible to operate in stealth mode. Alinsky's rules are the rules that are used by radicals to obtain power but they leave no guidance as to what to do once you have power. The Obama Administration has done nothing on its own. The Democrats in the Congress have been allowed to author all of the major pieces of legislation. Subsequently, the Obama Administration is clueless and has not been able to accomplish anything.

Where to begin? This is a perfect example of completely brainwashed liberal drivel that dominates the legacy media. It seems years of living in an echo chamber have blinded those on the left from being able to accept that there are those that have differing opinions. Hence the inability to make a coherent argument - anyone opposing Obama's policies must be stupid, ignorant or evil.

For those of us that have conservative views (including this recovered liberal) Fox provides a welcome antidote to the leftist pablum shoveled out by the lockstep media. The sycophants in the media who slobber all over Obama are so myopic they cannot see the problems that Obama's comrades' radical associations signify.

The country is largely center right. Obama campaigned as a centrist and is governing mostly from the far left. The media is largely dominated by leftist who think themselves centrist - this so distorts their views that traditional conservatives are wingnuts in their views.

We are angry at the patronizing ignorance, mismanagement and ineptitude of this administration. 2010 will be a painful wakeup to the Democrats but it is doubtful that the right lessons will be learned. Obama campaigned on a promise to listen to opponents. With every day it is more apparent that he is a hypocritical BS artist, an empty suit incapable of competence executive governance aided and abbetted by a fawning, slavish pack of dopes. You'll deny it but the rest of America is not stupid.

Rex...the point being made was these are extremely left wing media sites. And they are. Try refuting FNC with dates, times, and facts. And not just what Obama tells you. Now if your argument is simply that FNC leans to the right than that's fine because everyone would agree with that. But claiming they aren't a real news outlet because they're bias and opinionated and lie just isn't gonna cut it.

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Rex...the point being made was these are extremely left wing media sites. And they are. Try refuting FNC with dates, times, and facts. And not just what Obama tells you. Now if your argument is simply that FNC leans to the right than that's fine because everyone would agree with that. But claiming they aren't a real news outlet because they're bias and opinionated and lie just isn't gonna cut it.

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Teresa,

The point being made is that you can't refute them so you resort to name calling.....just like Faux does.

Waaaaaaah!

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The Obama Administration has done nothing on its own. The Democrats in the Congress have been allowed to author all of the major pieces of legislation. Subsequently, the Obama Administration is clueless and has not been able to accomplish anything.

Posted by: Bobbie Mobbie | October 27, 2009 2:57 PM
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Blah Blah Blah...

More name calling and fact-less rants from the right wing lunatic fringe Glenn BeckerHeads.

I'm shocked!....not

I actually meant John E. not Bobbie Mobbie in that...sorrr Bobbie, I'm on your side :)

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The Obama Administration has done nothing on its own. The Democrats in the Congress have been allowed to author all of the major pieces of legislation. Subsequently, the Obama Administration is clueless and has not been able to accomplish anything.

Posted by: Bobbie Mobbie | October 27, 2009 2:57 PM
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Blah Blah Blah...

More name calling and fact-less rants from the right wing lunatic fringe Glenn BeckerHeads.

I'm shocked!....not

Fox News and right-wing talk radio traffic in propaganda, not journalism. Obama has every right to point out that those outlets are not legitimate sources of information, but instead disinformation. They are responsible for perpetuating the ridiculous birther and deather nonsense that holds progress hostage.

Rex...the only name I called them was far left. And that's more of a description than a name, but whatever. I'm not trying to refute them, I'm simply trying to explain that these are media outlets that lean very far to the left so they are obviously going to attack FNC. I hate to tell you that your inability to hold an intelligent, well thought out debate takes away your credibility...and I'm sure the informed liberals here don't want you on their team.

Faux and PillHead Rush are where the Wingnuts gather to get their talking points. The right-wing lunatic fringe nutjobs have the mental capacity of a third grader. They can't think for themselves so they have to constantly be fed easy to digest slogans and propaganda without the use of big confusing words. Faux News provides them with this service free of charge.
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-19-2009/fox-news--the-new-liberals
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The real job of the news outlets is to report what has happened using the facts of the story.

Showing one side or the other is not the news its one side or the other. The news needs to report the facts and not take sides that is why they don't discuss birthers, death panels or Obama is a racist. All mentioned are factually untrue.

President Bush told us twice that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. So why do so many Fox viewers still believe the opposite? When we have a so called news organisation (Fox) telling lies we have a right wing public that doesn't know the truth.

I actually meant John E. not Bobbie Mobbie in that...sorrr Bobbie, I'm on your side :)

Posted by: sickandtired | October 27, 2009 3:15 PM
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Yes and we've known that about you for a long time now, "Independent" Leo/Juanie. ;)

Leave Glenn Beck Alone!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YQO8jPQg4
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I'm not trying to refute them, I'm simply trying to explain that these are media outlets that lean very far to the left so they are obviously going to attack FNC. I hate to tell you that your inability to hold an intelligent, well thought out debate
Posted by: sickandtired | October 27, 2009 3:21 PM
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sickandtired Teresa,

You NEVER hold an intelligent well informed debate on here, period.

You're angry because I do to you what you do to everyone else.

With Fox viewership at 2,157,000 in prime time, that is still less than 1% of the total U.S. population.

Perhaps the well-deserved criticism that Fox has taken from the White House has boosted their ratings, but so what? They still only appeal to the lunatic fringe...and that is just a tiny fraction of the population.

If Republicans are really seriously concerned about propaganda in American media their first order of business should be to stop watching Fox, because it's not real news.

Faux News is basically 24/7 AM Hate radio "shock jock" schtick masquerading as a news organization.

I'm just waiting for Balloon Boy dad Richard Heene to take Beck's slot after Faux moves him in to replace O'Reilly. Then the crazy train will be complete.

it is hilarious to read comments from people who attempt to denigrate and demean the viewing audience of a tv program
Posted by: Bobbie Mobbie | October 27, 2009 2:57 PM

This is precious coming from the Marxist, Socialist, communist, Negro Army yellers. Pot...meet kettle.

It seems that Fox News has the Obama Administration and the Far Left all upset. The usual posts are there telling all that Fox is not really a news channel but MSNBC is with such Lefty characters as Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow. And some of the posts even cite Daily Kos as their source material. Maybe that explains some of the goofy posts by some. Well, in prime time both Fox and MCNBC is Right and Left Wing Propaganda and Entertainment for their more extreme viewers. It is all about ratings folks. And thanks to the childish attacks by the Obama Administration the huge ratings lead that Fox has over MSNBC has grown even larger. The Left Wing Patron Saint Keith Olbermann is getting killed more than the Bears did last Sunday. If you want unbiased news as close as you are going to get (all news outlets have some bias), I suggest you do not watch either Fox or MSNBC at night.

Blame John E's extended Republican family and all of their GOP.com friends.
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Also, blame John E and his surrogate extended family at Obama.com.
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They're always on the lookout for new cut and paste material.
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Hell, just blame John E.
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Signed Independently,
Leo

You dunderheads on the left have no problem with fascism when it suits your purpose, do you? In fact the left loves facism: Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Janet Reno...the list of leftist facists is long and continues to grow.

I guess that's why a news channel that also has political commentary that exposes you just drives you crazy. Fox is the only outlet that uncovers the truth. The rest of the media just goose steps along with the administration.

The rest of the media just goose steps along with the administration.

Posted by: The Real Gary | October 27, 2009 5:02 PM

Yes Faux was tough on Bush.

Fox News meme #1:
"We are the only network reporting the truth".

That meme is more important to them than anything, even GOP talking points. It is the core of their business model.

Which, ironically, was Pravda's business model so they've got that going for them...

The rest of the media just goose steps along with the administration.

Posted by: The Real Gary | October 27, 2009 5:02 PM

Yes Faux was tough on Bush.

Posted by: bill r. | October 27, 2009 5:12 PM

NO, the rest of the Mainstream Media was anti-Bush. Fox had several COMMENTATORS like, Beck, O'reily, Heraldo, that didn't give Bush a free pass.

But the thing is, your argument of using Bush and blaming Bush to justify anything and everything is lame. Bush isn't president. Or, haven't you heard? Surely that great NEWS channel PMSNBC has figured that out by now...well except for Olberman and Maddox. They'll never shut up about Bush. That's why nobody watches them. Well, that and the fact that they are stupid, dull, wrong, and boring.

Fox is classic mind control stuff...

If I knew about them before what I know now, I'd have gotten in to the deprogramming business.

Maybe we should have a national intervention with the vast minority of our countrymen and women who are rabid Fox watchers.

"You're in a safe zone, it's OK...now, let's talk about how your Fox addiction is a danger to yourself and others".

Hey Rex, Never said med mutters lie. They simply take snippets out of context and try to generate some controversy. No need to refute with facts, they aren't proving anything. Mutters just says "look at this, isn't it terrible that someone would say something bad about our bammy," they are as irrelevant as MSNBC.

I trust leftist media because they challenge the President with intelligent thought. It is much better for them not to take sides. They would never, ever, take sides. How do they manage to do both at the same time? Who knows? Fox can not be trusted with anything other than easy to digest slogans and propaganda.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/13/daily-show-destroys-cnn-f_n_318295.html

Yo, Rex, there is plenty about the John Podesta created Media Matters lies and distortions:

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C1049953760/E20070926121225/index.html

http://www.themediareport.com/mediamatters.htm

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/06/media-matters-lies-about-has-response-to-jamilgate/

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/10/media-matters-lies-joe-wilson-told-the-truth/

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2009/10/22/media-matters-wont-apologize-spreading-fake-limbaugh-slavery-quote

Media Matters has no credibility, except with the Left and mind-numbed "journalists" who often get their talking point memos from that deceitful outfit.

And, Mark, CNN is all news and no bull? Really? They fact check an SNL skit? Larry King? Rick Sanchez gleefully spreads BS about Limbaugh and slavery, and then has to apologize for not fact checking before he speaks?

Olbermann, Schwartz and Maddow are opiniated left goofs,

Beck and Limbaugh are opiniated right wing goofs.

They all are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

I would love to hear the White House explanation for inviting Olbermann and Mddow to consult with them last week. It is my opinion that they should be ignored.

CNN, don't forget Mr teabagger himself, Anderson Cooper. Oh yeah CNN is so independant not leftist at all, just like the Swamp. Please, give me a break. We've all seen how they operate in the video of the biased CNN reporter. THAT'S NOT A REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION.

Just the facts: a study by the respected Pew Research Center showed that 40 percent of Fox News stories on Obama in the last six weeks of the campaign were negative. Similarly, 40 percent of Fox News' stories on Obama's Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, were negative. On CNN, by contrast, there was a 22-point disparity in the percentage of negative stories on Obama (39 percent) and McCain (61 percent). The disparity was even greater at MSNBC, according to Pew, where just 14 percent of Obama stories were negative, compared to a whopping 73 percent of McCain stories—a spread of 59 points.

America needs to move forward – one group continuously stands in the way. It’s time for MoveOn to Move Over! The group turned 11 this year, and has repeatedly been the source that drives American politics into the gutter. Stop embarrassing our nation, and move on. http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/moveover/

Hey Rex, Never said med mutters lie. They simply take snippets out of context and try to generate some controversy
Posted by: Hans | October 27, 2009 6:04 PM
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You're confusing Media Matters with Faux again, Biff.

Try again...

When people call Faux news "right wing propaganda" and "the media arm of the Republican party" it isn't trash talking, it's the truth.

Check out these pro-Bush internal memos from Faux management. If this isn't propaganda I don't know what is.
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http://mediamatters.org/research/200407140002
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/
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"In fact the left loves facism: Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Janet Reno...the list of leftist facists is long and continues to grow.
The Real Gary"

Or the real crazy Gary?

But the thing is, your argument of using Bush and blaming Bush to justify anything and everything is lame.
Posted by: The Real Gary | October 27, 2009 7:24 PM

Oh get a grip for Christ sake. Bush=Iraq. No Bush ...no Iraq. Sweep him under the rug if you want, but your argument is ridiculous. Hell you fools are still blaming CRA from the 90's for the bank failure. What a joke. I know knee jerk works well for you but it don't hold water.

But the thing is, your argument of using Bush and blaming Bush to justify anything and everything is lame.
Posted by: The Real Gary | October 27, 2009 7:24 PM

Oh get a grip for Christ sake. Bush=Iraq. No Bush ...no Iraq. Sweep him under the rug if you want, but your argument is ridiculous. Hell you fools are still blaming CRA from the 90's for the bank failure. What a joke. I know knee jerk works well for you but it don't hold water.

Posted by: bill r. | October 27, 2009 10:25 PM

Well that explains everything bill: Bush. I'd hate to see the flow chart of how your brain went from a discussion of Fox News, Biased media at MSNBC and CNN to your answer for everything: George Bush.

Ernst Rohm redivivus.

Did this joker ever wear a real uniform?

"In fact the left loves facism: Mao, Mussolini, Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Janet Reno...the list of leftist facists is long and continues to grow.
The Real Gary"

'In fact the right loves facism' (sic): Pinochet, Franco, Argentine Junta, El Salvador Death Squads, Diem.

The Real Crazy Gary,

fascism |ˈfa sh ˌizəm| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Nice try, but Wikipedia isn't a REAL source for a definition. Let's use the DICTIONARY: Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Gee, who does this sound like...
Beginning in the 1970s, some historians and political scientists began to develop a broader definition of fascism, and by the 1990s many scholars had embraced this approach. This new approach emphasizes the ways in which fascist movements attempt revolutionary change and their central focus on popularizing myths of national or ethnic renewal. Seen from this perspective, all forms of fascism have three common features: anticonservatism, a myth of ethnic or national renewal, and a conception of a nation in crisis.

By the way the Mussolini, the dictator credited with creating modern fascism was a Communist. You can't get any further left than that. Well...except for Nancy Pelosi.

Alternate Cap:

'Ah yes, my future roommate! I can't wait!'

"Gee, who does this sound like..."

GWB

The Real Crazy Gary,

Both Hitler and Mussolini killed Jews, gays, and communists as fast as they possibly could. Most conservative Americans in the 30s and 40s agreed with them.
(See Fr. Coughlin, Henry Ford, Lindberg, lots more.)
(Note: That NonAgression pact with Stalin was a device to defeat GBR. When that failed the real killing of commies started.)

TRCG
I think perhaps that Morris fellow was trying to show you how to spell 'facism'. (fascism)

Also;
'If you move far enough to the left you meet the same nuts coming at you from the right.'

Everyone of fair and sound mind knows that the totalitarian commies and the right wing fascists are so extreme they are similar.

Also;
'If you move far enough to the left you meet the same nuts coming at you from the right.'

Everyone of fair and sound mind knows that the totalitarian commies and the right wing fascists are so extreme they are similar.

Posted by: T. Herman Zweibel | October 28, 2009 7:10 PM

I agree, because their main goal is power and control. The Communist and Fascist movements both come from the same radical ideology of creating a superior society, a utopia. A super nation...a super world, not for the good of the individual, but for ideal of a Utopian community. Therefore, individual rights are not important. The individual is there to serve the state, not the other way around. Instead of a "government for the people, by the people" it's a government over the people. "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have."

We now have a government wants to control everything that an individual does. Liberal politicians want to create crisis so that the government can step in and take control.

Liberals in California refuse to build infrastructure (a primary responsibility of government). So what happens? Water, power, transportation, healthcare shortages, and so the liberals pass more laws, more taxes, levy fines and gain more and more political power. The government continues to grow, but the rest of the economy is dying, 17% unemployment. But the government is still growing; its budget is still increasing and they refuse to cut programs. And still, the liberals want more taxes and more of your money. Big government has replaced the dictator. The STATE is now the dictator.

Yes, American and American political movements on both sides of the aisle supported and even mimicked the Nazis:

Yale Study: U.S. Eugenics Paralleled Nazi Germany
By David Morgan, Reuters, [15 February 2000]
PHILADELPHIA (Reuters)—U.S. doctors who once believed that sterilization could help rid society of mental illness and crime launched a 20th century eugenics movement that in some ways paralleled the policies of Nazi Germany, researchers said on Monday.

A Yale study tracing a once-popular movement aimed at improving society through selective breeding, indicates that state-authorized sterilizations were carried out longer and on a larger scale in the United States than previously believed, beginning with the first state eugenics law in Indiana in 1907.

Despite modern assumptions that American interest in eugenics waned during the 1920s, researchers said sterilization laws had authorized the neutering of more than 40,000 people classed as insane or feebleminded in 30 states by 1944.

Another 22,000 underwent sterilization from the mid-1940s to 1963, despite weakening public support and revelations of Nazi atrocities, according to the study, funded by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum and the Merck Co. Foundation.

Forced sterilization was legal in 18 U.S. states, and most states with eugenics laws allowed people to be sterilized without their consent by leaving the decision to a third party.

The comparative histories of the eugenical sterilization campaigns in the United States and Nazi Germany reveal important similarities of motivation, intent and strategy, the study’s authors wrote in the Annals of Internal Medicine, a journal published by the American College of Physicians-American Society of Internal Medicine.

Eugenics sprang from the philosophy of social Darwinism, which envisioned human society in terms of natural selection and suggested that science could engineer progress by attacking supposedly hereditary problems including moral decadence, crime, venereal disease, tuberculosis and alcoholism.

The eugenics laws in the United States were virulent, just as they were in Sweden, France and Australia, said Art Caplan, head of the University of Pennsylvania’s Center for Bioethics.

The U.S. practice ended in the 1960s after being overwhelmed by court challenges and the civil rights movement.

Wonder why the civil rights movement had to challenge a progressive/liberal practice???? Must have been because of GWB.

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