Health-care reform: Show me, 4 in 10 say

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I am awaiting the final bill and I hope that the media and the public are offered sufficient time to review the final product.

I have concerns over what is being included in this proposed piece of legislation as it appears the special interests and the lobbyists are inserting their desires behind closed doors. I am also concerned about the accounting tricks that the Democrats are engaging in.

I hope that the legislation does not add to the national debt and the deficit but it the end politicians do not care as long as they can declare victory.

From the looks of things, it seems that Speaker Pelosi, and her many supporters have found a way to have a strong public option in their Healthcare Bill and have it scored by the CBO, under 900 Billion Dollars, over 10 years and it may reduce the deficit, as well. That's better than what, any one of our Corporat Giants gouged in profits in the same length of time. How's that for doing the right thing, the right way and for the right reasons? Way to go Speaker Pelosi and congratulations !!
Now, all of you nay-saying Republican-Libetarians, please subdue your inclination to work for its failure. That wouldn't be very American of you and we all know how " very and real " American goons, you are capable of being !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

If the details of this legislation ever become known, it will be DOA. That is why the Dems will NEVER let the details of this legislation become known.

This will be a "Christmas present" that most Americans will want to return on Dec. 26.

Details?
How about the glaring omissions and deficiencies in the Senate bill?
1. Single payer off the table.
2. No public option
3. Compromised in the Senate to the point of uselessness for the sake of one unneeded R. vote.
4. And now even the small insurance reforms are being knocked down. The clause to help 54 to 65 year olds has been eliminated. Costs to these people will be 2 to 4 times as high as everybody else.
5. This Senate bill is a X-mas wish list for the privateers in the health ins. industry.

The House version is the only hope for meaningful reform.

Take it from the blind, hate filled cheerleader please!

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From the looks of things ( you are blind to everything NOT Obama), it seems that Speaker Pelosi, and her many supporters have found a way to have a strong public option in their Healthcare Bill (she can't wrangle enough votes there donny boy, get over the fact that the democrat controlled Congress is not on board with ObamaCare) and have it scored by the CBO (that wasn't a "score" based on legislation donny but a "guess" based on an idea), under 900 Billion Dollars, over 10 years and it may reduce the deficit, as well (sorry again there donny but the numbers have already been proven false based on inadequate mulitplyers and fuzzy democrat math)

That's better than what, any one of our Corporat Giants gouged in profits in the same length of time (check out Obama's White House filled with lobbyist's before making those childish claims). How's that for doing the right thing, the right way and for the right reasons (nothing but rhetoric for the brainless sheeple like you) ? Way to go Speaker Pelosi and congratulations (for what? she hasn't pulled anything off at all)!!
Now, all of you nay-saying Republican-Libetarians, please subdue your inclination to work for its failure (you continue to follow the lame and boring ruse of calling opposing views as wanting failure - so wrong of you but then your sheeple mind can't fathom the real facts). That wouldn't be very American of you (oh the unAmerican mantra is getting boring) and we all know how " very and real " American goons, you are capable of being !!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM HOME, ALIVE AND WHOLE. NOW.

Posted by: Don Fitzgerald, IL | October 21, 2009 9:39 AM

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In summation to this driveling blather of sheeple talk -

BRING TRANSPARENCY TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS NOW!! STOP THE DRIVEL AND START THE DRIBBLE! OBAMA HAS GAME ON THE COURT BUT NOT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

BRING TRANSPARENCY TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS NOW!!
Posted by: springfield | October 21, 2009 10:58 AM

Leave it to the people who supported the least transparent administration, to demand change over night. The "build Rome in a day" republicans want transparency and Healthcare, yet never once made a move to address either.

The "final" bill (which the Democrats just released) runs to a massive 1,502 pages.

It's so massive that if that thick volume was dropped on your head, it might kill you.

The contents of the bill are also dangerous. No wonder the DNC Swamp won't link to it.

This is an emotional issue for many Americans. This so-called “public option” in Government run health care presents serious challenges for us. As Consumers we should be able to compare the cost and quality of health care services. How much is a specific surgery at one hospital, as compared with another? http://www.friendsoftheuschamber.com/media/

"change over night"

Isn't that what the Anointed One promised -- the most transparent administration in American history from day one? Yeah, right. My, aren't you the gullible one?

C. Morris, single payer has never been on the table. Why BO is afraid to even mention it is beyond me.

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As for the public option, I've heard the talking points about it forcing insurers to compete. I think an implicit assumption with this strategy is that spiraling costs are due exclusively or mainly to greedy insurers. I think that oversimplifies a complex problem. For example, I don't think a public option addresses the spiraling costs of what providers are charging. In fact, it may do the opposite. Consider this article from the CEO of Mayo Clinic:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2009/jul/19/opinion/chi-oped0719mayojul19

Cortese/Korsmo are saying that because Medicare pays less to providers, the difference has to be made up through charging more to private insurers. They say Mayo lost hundreds of millions on Medicare patients last year alone. Put another way, if Mayo was exclusively dependent on Medicare and like programs, they would not last very long. Mayo is not some greedy insurer. This is a non-profit organization that is world renowned for their high level of care, and for their business model of not compensating their doctors based on volume, which has been praised by BO himself.

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The problem with the latest version of the so-called public option, contained in the House bill that was just submitted to the CBO for a preliminary report, is that it ties the public option to Medicare rates, plus something like 5%. While this may be successful in squeezing profits from some insurers, it does little to address Cortese's points, and looks to me like it would add to the problems they are facing with Medicare payments, and may end up raising the price of services to everyone else.

Your memory must be a small as your brain little bill.

Leave it to the people who supported the least transparent administration, to demand change over night. The "build Rome in a day" republicans want transparency and Healthcare, yet never once made a move to address either.

Posted by: bill r. | October 21, 2009 12:17 PM

What happened to the Obama transparency promised. You do remember those campaign promises I know. You were so giddy about all the "transparency" coming when Obama was elected, tingles and all! It was going to soooo different from that horrible Bush monster in your shorts.

Have you seen any debates on CSPAN? Have you kept a list of the lobbyist's in the White House?

Little bill, you have no arguments to support anything president Obama has either done or most importantly failed to do according to the many campaign promises he made. All you do is revert back to Bush as if he's still in charge and call all Republicans names as if Democrats walk on water and drop gold coins from their pockets.

Pick up the clue phone little bill, president Obama is in charge and has been for almost ten months now. The economy is getting worse after the Trillion $ stimulus, the US auto industry (Government Motors) is no better, banks are not lending but are instead investing in the stock market (that will be another BLOW UP), home forclosures are steady and even incresing in areas of the country, unemployment is rising and unless you've kept yourself drunk on the kool-aid since January, president Obama's approval rating is at -12 dropping like a stone in the pond. People are waking up from the campaign stupor, yet you revel in it like it's real and wonderful.

Bush is not in charge and Obama is running this nation into the ground, not correcting or fixing anything.

Once again, look at what the oriiginal estimates were from Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and SChip and see what the cost is now - way over budget. We already have a $9,000,000,000,000 deficit, do we really want to add to it?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703746604574461610985243066.html

The Senate Finance bill doesn't cover everyone. Why not? However, if it does, it would blow those mythical savings that the CBO calculated (you know the ones with 10 years of tax revenues and 7 years of expenditures).

And now, what are the dems doing - they are planning on voting on a stand alone bill that that strips the formula that automatically cuts Medicare physician payments out of the "comprehensive health care reform. They pull this $247 billion out of the medicare bill in order to keep it in balance.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704500604574483531025733584.html

Got to love all this transparency.

Terry, the fiscal sleight of hand is getting a little bit ridiculous. In addition to the points you made, Dems insist that the savings from Medicare "fraud" be set off from the cost of a health care bill. Medicare fraud should be eliminated regardless of whether a bill is passed or not. I really don't know who the Dems are trying to fool by insiting that Medicare "fraud" savings should be tied to the bill as a set-off, but the increased money owed by overriding scheduled cuts should not be. In my view, the strongest argument Dems have for reform is a moral one, e.g., everyone should be covered. They lose ground by making the claim that they will expand coverage to millions of people, but somehow we are going to save money. Just be honest about it. Grow some cajones and come out and say that, yes, reform is going to be costly, but we think it is the right thing to do anyway. Instead, we have dishonest politicians, with their mindless drones in this blog and elsewhere, trying to tell us that we will all have cake and eat it too. I've seen you challenge people on this blog to name a major federal program that runs efficiently and within budget. I've yet to see a coherent response. I have little confidence that any bill coming out of this spineless Congress will be any different.

I am a health insurance agent in Utah and run two websites that sell insurance www.benefitsmanager.net and www.dentalinsuranceutah.com. I mention this because in Utah it would be great to have a guaranteed public option to put people that the private insurers will decline for health conditions. Plus the way Weiner discribes the public option, it will be priced competitively. So what this means in my industry (I've been at it 18 years) is that all my unhealthy clients that get charged more or declined can be put onto the public option now. All my healthy clients can stay on the private option. Hmmmmm follow me yet???? How long can the public option stay affordable?? Who is going to pay for the losses of a big sick pool of people....taxpayers?????